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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:09:33 AM EDT
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Ah! In this regard, I will AGREE WITH YOU! If a business has decided they will carry Drug X, and the pharmacist on duty (who is an employee of the company, or who is at least using the facilities of that company) refuses to fill the prescription, he should be fired. It's not HIS COMPANY. That pharmacist has the right to seek employment in a pharmacy that agrees with him, but he should not be allowed to force the company to conform to HIS desires.
Then it should be taken care of at the hospital, shouldn't it? Let's face it, it takes time to go to a pharmacy, and the poor girl might forget, then 10 months later she'll be suing the hospital for child support.
That's bullshit and you know it. 
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:10:45 AM EDT
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Playmore, Rape is FAR too common and in my case it has struck close to home. My wife was a victim. That said, A rape every 7 seconds is 450,514 rapes per year. FBI crime statistics list 94,635 rapes in 2004. Even if you believe that only 1 in 3 rapes is reported that still less than half of the number you're claiming. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:12:54 AM EDT
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Good! He deserved to get fired!
And Liberals are trying to do precisely the opposite. Again, all I am saying is that the government cannot force a private business to carry a drug, or any product, they choose not to carry. If this pill is so God-cursed critical, the the demand WILL be met with a supply. Capitalism works. When government starts getting involved, you get shit like this happening, where three idiots and an organization that is rife with hypocrisy take on a legitimate business just to make a headline. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:14:54 AM EDT
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Sweet Jesus.  God, I HATE rapists! I'd amend to Constitution to allow cruel and unusual in their cases. 
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:16:05 AM EDT
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Well somebody needs to make sure it's carried somewhere locally. I mean if you go into a hospital for surgery you expect them to have the right drugs. And when it's over you expect a pharmacy somewhere to have your prescription. That's all I think should be required.
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:16:15 AM EDT
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Wal Mart doesn't carry porn vids/mags. Sue.
9 times out of 10 they're out of .223. Sue. Refuse to carry a 7 bone pot roast. Sue. blahblahblah. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:16:59 AM EDT
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If there is a demand, there will be a supply, and we don't need government to fill it. Good grief! Look at how well the .gov has done trying to control the laws of supply and demand. Does the drug war ring a bell? |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:17:55 AM EDT
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My mistake. Evidently I misquoted the statistic: Every 2 minutes IN THIS COUNTRY a woman is raped. The statistic I quoted is worldwide. Again, My Apologies. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:18:32 AM EDT
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If there is a need, someone will fill it. That is the way the free market works. Getting .gov involved almost invariably makes it worse. ETA: Zaphod, get out of my brain. 
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:20:14 AM EDT
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Mistakes happen. Still a disgusting statistic. Interesting. Every two minutes here. Every 7 seconds worldwide. That's a factor of almost 20. You would think that an organization like NOW would be beating the drums about THAT instead of suing Wal-Mart. 
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:21:01 AM EDT
[#11]
You get out of mine, you lurking bastage! 
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:21:32 AM EDT
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Well I don't like too much governmental control either but when it comes to medicine things need to be regulated to a point where at least you have licensed doctors and pharmacists who will give you your medicine.
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:26:19 AM EDT
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Believe me, I know where you stand. I work in Quality Assurance in the Medical Device/Pharmaceutical industry. IMO, places like hospitals should be able to treat all the diseases and incidents that they are designed and intended to treat. If they are not, then to me that's simple malpractice, and they'll pay the consequences. Since rape is, unfortunately, far more common than any of us are comfortable with, and since it stands to reason that any respectable hospital should be able to treat the poor victim, then it also stands to reason that the hospital should retain the drug in question in it's own pharmacy. A private pharmacy, however, is catering to a much broader base, and is not restricted to covering one, or all, areas of treatment. As such, it is up to the owner to stock what they think there is a demand for and what they think will be profitable. They also have the right not to stock, say, Pfizer pharmaceuticals because the company fired the owner's son once. It is not the purvue of government to meddle in that decision. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:27:00 AM EDT
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If a women wants to take the pill why do people care?
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:27:34 AM EDT
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That's not the argument here. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:28:29 AM EDT
[#16]
Unfortunately, there are 2 cases pending here. Pharmacists still have their jobs.
Personally I feel that pill should be part of the rape kit. But there must be some laws governing that or else we'd not be having this debate.
Well I know I am not a slut. The rest is NOT bullshit. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:29:26 AM EDT
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Guys, you'll be relatively surprised how infrequently this medication is dispensed in a retail pharmacy.
Most of the time, women receive it from a planned parenthood type clinic or the hospital. A new law requires it to be available at the hospital for rape victims in Mass.
In special circumstances, pharmacists in Mass can prescribe Plan B. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:30:46 AM EDT
[#18]
Rediculous. 
I agree with you. Seems like a logical thing to have in the kit.
Never thought you were.  However, I think these three women are more aptly described as pawns being used by the NOW gang and their ilk.
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:35:45 AM EDT
[#19]
Just go to the hospital then. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:42:22 AM EDT
[#20]
That's good. Or I'd have to kick your ass.... |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:43:17 AM EDT
[#21]
I suppose I do disagree with the merits of this suit. I think requiring hospitals to have it is not a bad idea though, or at least making sure that a person can get it somewhere.
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:44:10 AM EDT
[#22]
Considering what little evidence I'd have had to go on, I'd have deserved it. 
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:45:00 AM EDT
[#23]
I think PMM's idea of putting it in the rape kit is right on. Does that win me any points?
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:46:41 AM EDT
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I'll give in here too...<grudgingly kicks dirt> BUT will say that they need to pony up: If they sell Viagra and the BCP then they are being chicken shits who need a bitchsmack.  |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:47:53 AM EDT
[#25]
Wow...concessions on BOTH sides of the abortion issue... If ARCOM can do it...maybe...just maybe..... |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:52:49 AM EDT
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My position in this thread has nothing to do with my position on abortion. Yes, I'm pro-life, but I also acknowledge that it is inherently wrong to force a woman to carry a child she conceived through no fault or lack of responsibility on her part. I don't like it, and it is most likely wrong in the eyes of my God, but there it is. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:54:23 AM EDT
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I believe that you are way off on your figure. By your "7 second rule," there are over 4.5 million rapes anually world wide. The United States had 250,000 (and this is ESTIMATING NON reported rapes too, essentially a non scientific generous figure)) rapes or so in a recent year. That is MUCH higher than any other country that reports such statistics. So we are already much higher than other countries and we have a large population. In the US, going off of the 250,000 rapes figure, there would be a rape every 126 seconds. However, the US Department of Justice says it is actually much less frequent, occuring every 5.8 minutes according to their crime clock. Something tells me that being much higher than any other country already with 250,000, other countries aren't going to make up the 4,250,000 difference. Anyway, my point is this 7 seconds thing is likely some nonsense spouted off by some man haters that you have bought hook line and sinker. It's meant to trigger an emotional response. I got these figures from www.feminist.com/violence/vawnews6.html as well as www.fbi.gov/filelink.html?file=/ucr/cius_01/01crime1.pdf |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:54:28 AM EDT
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Well if it's any consolation she's technically not pregnant when she takes the morning-after pill. 
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:07:51 AM EDT
[#29]
You mean like Target? I don't shop at Target becuase they don't sell, guns, ammo, cleaning supplies, archery or.... TARGETS! If Walmart doesn't want to stock a product, then they shouldn't have to stock a product. If you don't like it, then don't shop there. The rape issue is completly bogus as it always is in the abortion argument. The product is not necessary to facilitate a woman's abortion. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:12:03 AM EDT
[#30]
A private company can decide what to sell and what not to sell. PERIOD
If you don't like the way they do business, go elsewhere. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:12:04 AM EDT
[#31]
Hospitals do stock the drug and it will be prescribed in the hospital in cases of Rape if requested. The Walmart issue is for women that get a prescription from their DR and fill it at Walmart for convenience 99.999% of the time. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:13:18 AM EDT
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Oh, yeah. Sure. And if women were the majority, bar soap would be illegal, and only the little puff balls with liquid soap would be allowed.
Wrong. For example, I didn't support that town in Georgia that mandated gun ownership for all households. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:15:11 AM EDT
[#33]
Alien...scroll a bit and you'll see I already cried "Mea Culpa" on that. The stat of every 7 seconds is WORLD WIDE. It's every 2.5 minutes in the US. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:20:59 AM EDT
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Well Zaph, here we part ways: If you believe it is murder of an innocent then you must believe that REGARDLESS of the circumstances. I am neither pro or against abortion. I am anti-societal views. Society does not have any problem with men not dealing with sex in a responsible manner. Yeah, we give it lip service, but we cannot seem to make it over the hump (pun intended). Just last week we had a thread where many men were crying boohoo because the GOV told soldiers that hookers were off limits.  Rapists aside, if you want to eliminate the need for abortion, we need to eliminate the unwanted pregnancy. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:25:40 AM EDT
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OK...Let's say for argument you are 100% right. If the women cannot get the drug because Walmart and others cave to the religious sector pressure, what do you think she's gonna do? Carry the child to term and buy a minivan and a crib? Not bloody likely: they'll abort it in less hospitable ways than this pill affords. And, while we're at it, you think the furor over this pill will be limited to it exclusively? Newsflash: the Birth control pill works in the same manner: it prevents ovulation, but in the event of ovulation, it prevents feritized eggs from attaching to the uterine wall. This pill is merely a stepping stone to what the far right would see done to birth control as a whole. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:26:26 AM EDT
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actually, rape is pretty damn common in other countries, where there usually is no punishment(I am thinking African countries here)... for the rapist atleast(they feel content to kill the women it seems). rape is incredibly common here; however, there is still a shroud of shame surrounding rape. Think about it, if we guys were raped by another dude... we probably would never tell anybody; that same feeling applied to women involved in rapes before the '80s, when it was always assumed the chick did something to warrant getting raped(a view that is still pretty prevalent, atleast subconsciously in the United States and elsewhere). from the amount of chicks I know that have gone to parties and had someone slip something in their drink, I would definitely say it is probably under one in four reporting their rapes here in the States, and I am pretty sure it is a lot worse in other, non-1st-world countries. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:27:09 AM EDT
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I do believe that, but just as sometime troops must die, or firefighters must die, or cops must die, so do the innocent. It sucks. It's hypocritical. It's sad. It's murder. I deny none of that. However, I will not tell a woman she must die when terminating her pregnancy will save her. I will not force a woman to carry a child for 10 months when it was forced upon her. I've never claimed it to be the most perfect, or moral, solution, but it's as far as I'll go. I used to be completely pro-choice until I realized how that position required NO responsibility from the ADULTS involved.
I will agree that the fathers of unwanted children should be held just as responsible as the mothers, if not more so. As for the hooker thread, if she's willing to sell, and he's willing to buy, then it's none of my business. If they screw up, they both need to be held responsible.
I think you keep missing the point. We're not discussing if the MAP should be legal. We're not discussing the ethics of abortion. We're not talking about individual responsibility (or the lack thereof). We are discussing if the government should be permitted to dictate inventory contents to a private business. Nothing more, nothing less. The answer is NO. Again: If there is a demand, there will be a supply. Wal-Mart doesn't carry Sig-Sauer, but there are tons of shops that do. If Wal-Mart decides not to carry Tylenol with codein, plenty of other places will. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:30:17 AM EDT
[#38]
Do you back that statement as far as her getting an abortion or having one of these pills handy? If not, you've proven my point about the lip service. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:33:14 AM EDT
[#39]
Read the sentence after the one you highlighted....
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Posted: 2/2/2006 10:34:46 AM EDT
[#40]
The point is, they are NOT BOTH held responsible, are they? Next time you feel the need to quickly judge a woman who has had an abortion, or is in need of a morning after pill, think of that, OK? That's all I am asking.
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Posted: 2/2/2006 10:39:07 AM EDT
[#41]
I always have, and I judge them both. Harshly. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 10:46:25 AM EDT
[#42]
<wry smile> Have YOU ever had unprotected sex? Because one of your exes may have not ever told you that you may be that which you judge...
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Posted: 2/2/2006 10:57:49 AM EDT
[#43]
Yes, and one girlfriend and I even decided once that an abortion was required. Fortunately, she turned out not to be pregnant. So I've been there and done that, and I know exactly of which I speak. I would have been guilty of a murder almost 20 years ago. And no, none of my ex's had children by me. I'm quite certain. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 11:15:29 AM EDT
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Wrong. It's often not about convenience. It's often about coverage. The people I know that go to Wal-Mart do so because their insurance covers prescriptions from there but it will not cover prescriptions from the local hospital. At work, like many(!) people in the area, we have Golden Rule. Other than for emergencies, Golden Rule will not cover any services at the local hospital. If you want Golden Rule to cover the prescription, you can not get it at the hospital. You have to go somewhere like Wal-Mart.z |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 12:39:36 PM EDT
[#45]
That has to be world wide. If you do the math it's over 4.5 million a year. I don't think throwing rape victims from Africa in to a discussion about the morning after pill in the U.S. is logical. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 12:43:49 PM EDT
[#46]
I think he already addressed the numbers in that post at least twice.
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Posted: 2/2/2006 1:17:04 PM EDT
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I like the sound of that.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Perhaps by not being able to terminate the potential life growing inside her with such ease, she will think about what she is doing. Perhaps she will have an abortion. Perhaps she'll carry the child to term. Perhaps she will put the child up for adoption. Perhaps she will love the child and raise the child herself. Or, perhaps she will alter the behavior that got her pregnant in the first place.
No I think any item or drug that destroys a potential life will draw the ire of those who believe in the preservation of potential life.
As a member of the FAR RIGHT (whatever that is); I can tell you that your premise is not correct. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 1:54:26 PM EDT
[#48]
I believe you meant "She". |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 6:29:04 PM EDT
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Hardcore Catholics believe that everything but natural family planning is morally wrong. Sperm is sacred. So condoms are out as is spermicide. The birth control pill? LORD! When we received marriage classes 19 years ago that stuff was so taboo, they made you swear on a stack of Bibles you'd NEVER take it: Supression of eggs, creation of unfriendly uterine environment that kills sperm AND FERTILIZED EGGS...
You are NOT then a member of the group I am referring. Read my paragraph above. If you believe the only method of acceptable birth control is abstinance and family planning, you would be defined as such.
Guilty as charged... and YES Sarge, I retracted...or better yet CORRECTED my figures in later posts. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 6:30:25 PM EDT
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Sorry I can't keep track, apologies.
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