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Posted: 1/29/2011 9:03:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Nice "Before" shot. Way to give the real story.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Welcome to Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM For comparison here's Pripyat (Chernobyl): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpoVzAArUN0&feature=related weaksauce and old news, its way worse then that now. Drive through it twice a day on my commute. Lemme guess: I-94? So, you've never been down Woodward from about New Center south? You've never seen Michigan Avenue in Corktown? Cass Avenue hasn't improved an iota in your eyes since the 80's? Campus Martius is way worse now than when Hudson's sat abandoned? Cass Avenue Seriously? It would be safer in an IED factory in Baghdad with an osama fucks camels sign around your neck, that place is mad max bad. Next your going to say that you built a luxury condo in the Dequindre Cut. For reference this is the Dequindre Cut: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/2266910025_9272ac11c0_o.jpg Say what you will about Detroit. Maybe I am overly optimistic, but I live here. I just got home from a first date. We went to the Detroit Institute of the Arts (Woodward at Warren), went ice skating in Campus Martius, had a glass of wine at Motor City Wine (Woodward at Congress), and had a fantastic dinner at Shangri-La on Cass. At no point were we threatened by anyone, and a lot of this distance was covered on foot. She's from the 'burbs and had a wonderful time. All of the places we visited tonight would compare favorably to similar establishments in Chicago or NYC, based purely on personal experience. But that doesn't fit the narrative, so I suppose I'm wasting my breath.
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Posted: 1/29/2011 9:22:49 PM EDT
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Welcome to Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM For comparison here's Pripyat (Chernobyl): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpoVzAArUN0&feature=related weaksauce and old news, its way worse then that now. Drive through it twice a day on my commute. Lemme guess: I-94? So, you've never been down Woodward from about New Center south? You've never seen Michigan Avenue in Corktown? Cass Avenue hasn't improved an iota in your eyes since the 80's? Campus Martius is way worse now than when Hudson's sat abandoned? Cass Avenue Seriously? It would be safer in an IED factory in Baghdad with an osama fucks camels sign around your neck, that place is mad max bad. Next your going to say that you built a luxury condo in the Dequindre Cut. For reference this is the Dequindre Cut: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/2266910025_9272ac11c0_o.jpg Say what you will about Detroit. Maybe I am overly optimistic, but I live here. I just got home from a first date. We went to the Detroit Institute of the Arts (Woodward at Warren), went ice skating in Campus Martius, had a glass of wine at Motor City Wine (Woodward at Congress), and had a fantastic dinner at Shangri-La on Cass. At no point were we threatened by anyone, and a lot of this distance was covered on foot. She's from the 'burbs and had a wonderful time. All of the places we visited tonight would compare favorably to similar establishments in Chicago or NYC, based purely on personal experience. But that doesn't fit the narrative, so I suppose I'm wasting my breath.
Really, then how do you explain Detroit's crime rate (Statistically you have a higher chance of getting killed in Detroit than the entire country's of Iraq, and Afghanistan combined), and how whenever I drive through (not on the freeway by the way) all I see are boarded up windows, burned houses, bombed out (literally as in holes blasted in them, and rubble in the streets, and sidewalks) buildings, and razor wire on roofs? Just go on google maps, and look about 1, or 2 miles east, or west of the city center, nothing but empty fields, abandoned buildings for block after block, now switch on street view. It's different "outside the wire" as it were. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 9:34:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nice "Before" shot. Way to give the real story.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Welcome to Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM For comparison here's Pripyat (Chernobyl): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpoVzAArUN0&feature=related weaksauce and old news, its way worse then that now. Drive through it twice a day on my commute. Lemme guess: I-94? So, you've never been down Woodward from about New Center south? You've never seen Michigan Avenue in Corktown? Cass Avenue hasn't improved an iota in your eyes since the 80's? Campus Martius is way worse now than when Hudson's sat abandoned? Cass Avenue Seriously? It would be safer in an IED factory in Baghdad with an osama fucks camels sign around your neck, that place is mad max bad. Next your going to say that you built a luxury condo in the Dequindre Cut. For reference this is the Dequindre Cut: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/2266910025_9272ac11c0_o.jpg Say what you will about Detroit. Maybe I am overly optimistic, but I live here. I just got home from a first date. We went to the Detroit Institute of the Arts (Woodward at Warren), went ice skating in Campus Martius, had a glass of wine at Motor City Wine (Woodward at Congress), and had a fantastic dinner at Shangri-La on Cass. At no point were we threatened by anyone, and a lot of this distance was covered on foot. She's from the 'burbs and had a wonderful time. All of the places we visited tonight would compare favorably to similar establishments in Chicago or NYC, based purely on personal experience. But that doesn't fit the narrative, so I suppose I'm wasting my breath. Really, then how do you explain Detroit's crime rate (Statistically you have a higher chance of getting killed in Detroit than the entire country's of Iraq, and Afghanistan combined), and how whenever I drive through (not on the freeway by the way) all I see are boarded up windows, burned houses, bombed out (literally as in holes blasted in them, and rubble in the streets, and sidewalks) buildings, and razor wire on roofs? Just go on google maps, and look about 1, or 2 miles east, or west of the city center, nothing but empty fields, abandoned buildings for block after block, now switch on street view. It's different "outside the wire" as it were. At no point have I denied that there are bad parts of Detroit. There most certainly are! My problem is with the complete utter denial of the irrefutable fact that there are areas that, if not perfect, are quite a bit better than they were 10, or even 5 years ago. I'm just sick and tired of the myopic focus on the negative in Detroit, such as you posting a picture of the dilapidated railroad tracks that later became the Dequindre Cut (A bicycle path/green space, for you out of towners). Why would you post something so misleading? Couldn't find a picture from the last 2 years? I find that hard to believe, so I must go with the assertion that you're intentionally trying to make the City look as bad as possible, for reasons I can't fathom. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 9:55:30 PM EDT
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Welcome to Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM For comparison here's Pripyat (Chernobyl): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpoVzAArUN0&feature=related weaksauce and old news, its way worse then that now. Drive through it twice a day on my commute. Lemme guess: I-94? So, you've never been down Woodward from about New Center south? You've never seen Michigan Avenue in Corktown? Cass Avenue hasn't improved an iota in your eyes since the 80's? Campus Martius is way worse now than when Hudson's sat abandoned? Cass Avenue Seriously? It would be safer in an IED factory in Baghdad with an osama fucks camels sign around your neck, that place is mad max bad. Next your going to say that you built a luxury condo in the Dequindre Cut. For reference this is the Dequindre Cut: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2193/2266910025_9272ac11c0_o.jpg Say what you will about Detroit. Maybe I am overly optimistic, but I live here. I just got home from a first date. We went to the Detroit Institute of the Arts (Woodward at Warren), went ice skating in Campus Martius, had a glass of wine at Motor City Wine (Woodward at Congress), and had a fantastic dinner at Shangri-La on Cass. At no point were we threatened by anyone, and a lot of this distance was covered on foot. She's from the 'burbs and had a wonderful time. All of the places we visited tonight would compare favorably to similar establishments in Chicago or NYC, based purely on personal experience. But that doesn't fit the narrative, so I suppose I'm wasting my breath.
Really, then how do you explain Detroit's crime rate (Statistically you have a higher chance of getting killed in Detroit than the entire country's of Iraq, and Afghanistan combined), and how whenever I drive through (not on the freeway by the way) all I see are boarded up windows, burned houses, bombed out (literally as in holes blasted in them, and rubble in the streets, and sidewalks) buildings, and razor wire on roofs? Just go on google maps, and look about 1, or 2 miles east, or west of the city center, nothing but empty fields, abandoned buildings for block after block, now switch on street view. It's different "outside the wire" as it were. At no point have I denied that there are bad parts of Detroit. There most certainly are! My problem is with the complete utter denial of the irrefutable fact that there are areas that, if not perfect, are quite a bit better than they were 10, or even 5 years ago. I'm just sick and tired of the myopic focus on the negative in Detroit, such as you posting a picture of the dilapidated railroad tracks that later became the Dequindre Cut (A bicycle path/green space, for you out of towners). Why would you post something so misleading? Couldn't find a picture from the last 2 years? I find that hard to believe, so I must go with the assertion that you're intentionally trying to make the City look as bad as possible, for reasons I can't fathom. The Dequidre Cut has always been called the Dequindre Cut, even when it was a functioning railway, I used the picture because I know of the Dequinder cut being mad max bad from years back, if they have somehow "fixed it" I would love to see it because I find it very hard to believe, the last series of pictures I have seen of it were so bad the only thing missing were the bodies. Are their areas that have gotten better? sure, but far more have gotten worse. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 10:12:18 PM EDT
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Looks just like Port Arthur, parts of Dallas, and any other city where taxpayers leave and nothing but people on welfare remain. The city can't afford to tear down the homes and the people have stopped paying property taxes.
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Posted: 1/29/2011 10:46:00 PM EDT
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Welcome to Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM For comparison here's Pripyat (Chernobyl): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpoVzAArUN0&feature=related What fuck is up with all of the boats without trailers in Detroit? 
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:09:24 PM EDT
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Welcome to Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM For comparison here's Pripyat (Chernobyl): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpoVzAArUN0&feature=related What fuck is up with all of the boats without trailers in Detroit?
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:18:43 PM EDT
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The Dequidre Cut has always been called the Dequindre Cut, even when it was a functioning railway, I used the picture because I know of the Dequinder cut being mad max bad from years back, if they have somehow "fixed it" I would love to see it because I find it very hard to believe, the last series of pictures I have seen of it were so bad the only thing missing were the bodies. Are their areas that have gotten better? sure, but far more have gotten worse. http://www.detroitriverfront.org/dequindre/ 
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:19:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: My wifes family is from detroit. My MIL still lives there. You can buy a brick 3 bedroom home with a full basement and detached garage for $20K THat seems expensive. Go to realtor.com and put in Detroit, MI. Highest price SFH is $2.5M for a 10-bed, 12-bath 11,000 sqft property. At 50 results per page, there are 88 pages. Page 44 has 50 homes at $14,900. Some, 4-bed, 2 bath. |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:22:45 PM EDT
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Hey guise! We like built a bike path for the crackheads to use and stuff. Our city's in GREAT shape! Its not a third world shithole at all!
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:25:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hey guise! We like built a bike path for the crackheads to use and stuff. Our city's in GREAT shape! Its not a third world shithole at all! Indeed. Because it's not like I can rub shoulders with Billionaires in India, claiming that the cuisine and culture is the "finest available in the world" while 50% of the population are illiterate and still shit in a hole in the ground (well, at least the ones who can be bothered to dig a hole first) and there are millions living in squalor and filth. </sarcasm> |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:28:31 PM EDT
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The Dequidre Cut has always been called the Dequindre Cut, even when it was a functioning railway, I used the picture because I know of the Dequinder cut being mad max bad from years back, if they have somehow "fixed it" I would love to see it because I find it very hard to believe, the last series of pictures I have seen of it were so bad the only thing missing were the bodies. Are their areas that have gotten better? sure, but far more have gotten worse. http://www.detroitriverfront.org/dequindre/ http://www.treehugger.com/dequindre-cut-detroit-before-after.jpg It was fun to drive that (many years ago) with no one else on the road. We just moved some construction barriers and took off. It looks better, but can you ride it at night unarmed? |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:50:42 PM EDT
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The Dequidre Cut has always been called the Dequindre Cut, even when it was a functioning railway, I used the picture because I know of the Dequinder cut being mad max bad from years back, if they have somehow "fixed it" I would love to see it because I find it very hard to believe, the last series of pictures I have seen of it were so bad the only thing missing were the bodies. Are their areas that have gotten better? sure, but far more have gotten worse. http://www.detroitriverfront.org/dequindre/ http://www.treehugger.com/dequindre-cut-detroit-before-after.jpg It was fun to drive that (many years ago) with no one else on the road. We just moved some construction barriers and took off. It looks better, but can you ride it at night unarmed? I would leave that up to the individual. You probably could though being how empty Detroit really is. I doubt there are gangs of highwaymen waiting to accost you or that it is even as bad as NYC's Central Park. They have emergency phones set up –– not sure about cameras. Anyway if you are defenseless Detroit shouldn't be on your itinerary... |
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Posted: 1/29/2011 11:56:19 PM EDT
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The Dequidre Cut has always been called the Dequindre Cut, even when it was a functioning railway, I used the picture because I know of the Dequinder cut being mad max bad from years back, if they have somehow "fixed it" I would love to see it because I find it very hard to believe, the last series of pictures I have seen of it were so bad the only thing missing were the bodies. Are their areas that have gotten better? sure, but far more have gotten worse. http://www.detroitriverfront.org/dequindre/ http://www.treehugger.com/dequindre-cut-detroit-before-after.jpg It was fun to drive that (many years ago) with no one else on the road. We just moved some construction barriers and took off. It looks better, but can you ride it at night unarmed? I would leave that up to the individual. You probably could though being how empty Detroit really is. I doubt there are gangs of highwaymen waiting to accost you or that it is even as bad as NYC's Central Park. They have emergency phones set up –– not sure about cameras. Anyway if you are defenseless Detroit shouldn't be on your itinerary... I'm far from defenseless but I wouldn't want to go down there at 12 noon with an M240B, and a Javelin personally..... That place goes through some of the worst areas of Detroit. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:49:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: The next location for a Fallout game. Yeah... and preface it by saying "Detroit was not hit by a nuclear warhead, it still looks exactly like it did before the bombs fell. " |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:53:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: My wifes family is from detroit. My MIL still lives there. You can buy a brick 3 bedroom home with a full basement and detached garage for $20K For twice that,... you can get a 3 bedroom home in Phoenix, with an attached two car garage,... and not live in America's somalia. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 1:01:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: At least all that metal isn't going to waste...Quoted: what I dont get is where are the scrappers? metal everywhere.. They already scrapped their ESAPI's? All abandoned buildings, and houses have already been stripped though, their is not an empty building down their that still has any pipes, wiring, heating ducts, furnaces, water heaters, boilers, air conditioners, stoves, refridgerators, dishwashers, radiators, or anything else metal, they even steal the doorknobs. I remember when I was house hunting a couple years ago even though I was looking at least a mile, or two outside the city most of the listings had no pipes, or electrical.  |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 1:06:29 AM EDT
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Sometimes,... it really shocks me to think this place exists in America. It looks like something from a third-world shithole.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 1:09:14 AM EDT
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In the latest episode of 24, Jack Bauer is asked to save the city of Detroit from a nuclear bomb.
However, in this season, 24 refers to the number of seconds, not hours. In those 24 seconds, Jack Bauer laughs for 23 seconds and takes one second to say "no".
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:03:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Dequidre Cut has always been called the Dequindre Cut, even when it was a functioning railway, I used the picture because I know of the Dequinder cut being mad max bad from years back, if they have somehow "fixed it" I would love to see it because I find it very hard to believe, the last series of pictures I have seen of it were so bad the only thing missing were the bodies. Are their areas that have gotten better? sure, but far more have gotten worse. http://www.detroitriverfront.org/dequindre/ http://www.treehugger.com/dequindre-cut-detroit-before-after.jpg It was fun to drive that (many years ago) with no one else on the road. We just moved some construction barriers and took off. It looks better, but can you ride it at night unarmed? I would leave that up to the individual. You probably could though being how empty Detroit really is. I doubt there are gangs of highwaymen waiting to accost you or that it is even as bad as NYC's Central Park. They have emergency phones set up –– not sure about cameras. Anyway if you are defenseless Detroit shouldn't be on your itinerary... I'm far from defenseless but I wouldn't want to go down there at 12 noon with an M240B, and a Javelin personally..... That place goes through some of the worst areas of Detroit. The cleaned up bike path part of the Dequindre Cut goes from Eastern Market to the riverfront. I don't know why you'd randomly feel like riding your bike to the river in the dead of night, but I suppose you could if you wanted to. I doubt much would be open, but maybe you're just a fan of midnight bike rides? I don't know, it seems like an odd question. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:03:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:41:37 AM EDT
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The Dequidre Cut has always been called the Dequindre Cut, even when it was a functioning railway, I used the picture because I know of the Dequinder cut being mad max bad from years back, if they have somehow "fixed it" I would love to see it because I find it very hard to believe, the last series of pictures I have seen of it were so bad the only thing missing were the bodies. Are their areas that have gotten better? sure, but far more have gotten worse. http://www.detroitriverfront.org/dequindre/ http://www.treehugger.com/dequindre-cut-detroit-before-after.jpg It was fun to drive that (many years ago) with no one else on the road. We just moved some construction barriers and took off. It looks better, but can you ride it at night unarmed? I would leave that up to the individual. You probably could though being how empty Detroit really is. I doubt there are gangs of highwaymen waiting to accost you or that it is even as bad as NYC's Central Park. They have emergency phones set up –– not sure about cameras. Anyway if you are defenseless Detroit shouldn't be on your itinerary... I'm far from defenseless but I wouldn't want to go down there at 12 noon with an M240B, and a Javelin personally..... That place goes through some of the worst areas of Detroit. The cleaned up bike path part of the Dequindre Cut goes from Eastern Market to the riverfront. I don't know why you'd randomly feel like riding your bike to the river in the dead of night, but I suppose you could if you wanted to. I doubt much would be open, but maybe you're just a fan of midnight bike rides? I don't know, it seems like an odd question. The point was to ask if you thought it was safe. You also just said that only a portion of the Dequindre Cut has been turned in to a bike path. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:55:15 AM EDT
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SNIP SNIP SNIP There's truth in that. Detroit is in alot better shape now than it was 20 years ago. Alot of people would be suprised how nice the downtown area is now compared to their expectations. The area between the waterfront and the new Tigers and Lion's stadiums including Greektown is GTG. There are still LOTS of areas outside of the downtown which need bulldozing though. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 11:20:55 AM EDT
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For those that appreciate Mos Def - some good discussion on Detroit. The city of my birf.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 11:55:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well, then, Yes. I feel that the portion that has been cleaned up is safe, or at least as safe as any secluded pathway in a major city can be at night. The rest of it? Who knows? I've generally not made it a practice to take nocturnal strolls down railroad beds, so YMMV.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Dequidre Cut has always been called the Dequindre Cut, even when it was a functioning railway, I used the picture because I know of the Dequinder cut being mad max bad from years back, if they have somehow "fixed it" I would love to see it because I find it very hard to believe, the last series of pictures I have seen of it were so bad the only thing missing were the bodies. Are their areas that have gotten better? sure, but far more have gotten worse. http://www.detroitriverfront.org/dequindre/ http://www.treehugger.com/dequindre-cut-detroit-before-after.jpg It was fun to drive that (many years ago) with no one else on the road. We just moved some construction barriers and took off. It looks better, but can you ride it at night unarmed? I would leave that up to the individual. You probably could though being how empty Detroit really is. I doubt there are gangs of highwaymen waiting to accost you or that it is even as bad as NYC's Central Park. They have emergency phones set up –– not sure about cameras. Anyway if you are defenseless Detroit shouldn't be on your itinerary... I'm far from defenseless but I wouldn't want to go down there at 12 noon with an M240B, and a Javelin personally..... That place goes through some of the worst areas of Detroit. The cleaned up bike path part of the Dequindre Cut goes from Eastern Market to the riverfront. I don't know why you'd randomly feel like riding your bike to the river in the dead of night, but I suppose you could if you wanted to. I doubt much would be open, but maybe you're just a fan of midnight bike rides? I don't know, it seems like an odd question. The point was to ask if you thought it was safe. You also just said that only a portion of the Dequindre Cut has been turned in to a bike path. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:02:37 PM EDT
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Well, then, Yes. I feel that the portion that has been cleaned up is safe, or at least as safe as any secluded pathway in a major city can be at night. The rest of it? Who knows? I've generally not made it a practice to take nocturnal strolls down railroad beds, so YMMV.
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The Dequidre Cut has always been called the Dequindre Cut, even when it was a functioning railway, I used the picture because I know of the Dequinder cut being mad max bad from years back, if they have somehow "fixed it" I would love to see it because I find it very hard to believe, the last series of pictures I have seen of it were so bad the only thing missing were the bodies. Are their areas that have gotten better? sure, but far more have gotten worse. http://www.detroitriverfront.org/dequindre/ http://www.treehugger.com/dequindre-cut-detroit-before-after.jpg It was fun to drive that (many years ago) with no one else on the road. We just moved some construction barriers and took off. It looks better, but can you ride it at night unarmed? I would leave that up to the individual. You probably could though being how empty Detroit really is. I doubt there are gangs of highwaymen waiting to accost you or that it is even as bad as NYC's Central Park. They have emergency phones set up –– not sure about cameras. Anyway if you are defenseless Detroit shouldn't be on your itinerary... I'm far from defenseless but I wouldn't want to go down there at 12 noon with an M240B, and a Javelin personally..... That place goes through some of the worst areas of Detroit. The cleaned up bike path part of the Dequindre Cut goes from Eastern Market to the riverfront. I don't know why you'd randomly feel like riding your bike to the river in the dead of night, but I suppose you could if you wanted to. I doubt much would be open, but maybe you're just a fan of midnight bike rides? I don't know, it seems like an odd question. The point was to ask if you thought it was safe. You also just said that only a portion of the Dequindre Cut has been turned in to a bike path. It was that uncleaned up portion I was referencing, would it even be safe there at 12 noon? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:06:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: SNIP SNIP SNIP There's truth in that. Detroit is in alot better shape now than it was 20 years ago. Alot of people would be suprised how nice the downtown area is now compared to their expectations. The area between the waterfront and the new Tigers and Lion's stadiums including Greektown is GTG. There are still LOTS of areas outside of the downtown which need bulldozing though. Absolutely. And anyone who has been paying attention will note that the Mayor has a plan in place to attempt to consolidate the population of the city into the areas that are well-populated and well-served by city services (like Police, Fire, and Sanitation), and either bulldoze or at least let the severely depopulated and blighted areas go fallow until such opportunity arises that they can be cleaned up and rebuilt. This is not something that can be achieved in a 4 year term. It took decades for the city to get to it's state of disrepair. It will likely take decades to restore it to it's former glory. Detroit was a jewel until about the mid 60's. It will take time, care, and a lot of labor to bring it back. Under Coleman Young, it just got worse. Things were looking up under Archer, then Kwame came in and fucked shit up again. I think overall, Bing is on the right track (his current obsession with gun control notwithstanding). But it will all take time. A lot of progress has been made, and a lot still must be made. Focusing solely on the negative, unless it's with an eye on how to viably improve it, is a disservice to everyone involved. I may be taking this a bit personally, but I'm not afraid to pick up a shovel and actually do something to improve this down-trodden city, rather than just fire shots at it from the suburbs.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:09:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, then, Yes. I feel that the portion that has been cleaned up is safe, or at least as safe as any secluded pathway in a major city can be at night. The rest of it? Who knows? I've generally not made it a practice to take nocturnal strolls down railroad beds, so YMMV.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Snip The cleaned up bike path part of the Dequindre Cut goes from Eastern Market to the riverfront. I don't know why you'd randomly feel like riding your bike to the river in the dead of night, but I suppose you could if you wanted to. I doubt much would be open, but maybe you're just a fan of midnight bike rides? I don't know, it seems like an odd question. The point was to ask if you thought it was safe. You also just said that only a portion of the Dequindre Cut has been turned in to a bike path. It was that uncleaned up portion I was referencing, would it even be safe there at 12 noon? I don't see why not, but again, I don't know why I would have occasion to hang out on the railroad tracks, unless I was making a remake of Stand By Me or something? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:11:31 PM EDT
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Goddamn, I am so fucking tired of the constant ruin porn. We've got half the population that our infrastructure is built for. Of course we have some areas that have gone to seed. Why aren't there videos like this of North St. Louis? It's just as bad, if not worse. How about East St. Louis, for that matter? Why does everyone have to keep showing *only* the bad parts of this city? Why not a tour of Midtown or Corktown? How about the total regeneration of Eastern Market? All the good work that has gone into Downtown and Michigan Avenue from Corktown west? Oh right. It doesn't fit the narrative. My mistake. I agree. I'm getting a little tired of these videos and not to mention that is an old one. I have a friend that is an exec at Dodge. She is young and upwardly mobile and making a good living. She isn't rich but lives in a nice community in Detroit metro. On my last visit we had a good time and I didn't see much of the blight. In fact I kind of liked some of the progression I saw there. That video could have been shot in Cleveland just as easily, or any number of other blighted metros around the country. They all have them. For some reason everyone wants to make Detroit the poster child. I've lived in Cleveland my whole life. There are very few parts that resemble that video, and they are very small. Still, I'm sure you could make a similar video if you tried. That said, I've been to Detroit many times, and you don't really have to try there. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:22:27 PM EDT
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Craziest thing I ever saw was Belle Isle at 2:30am in the summer. This time of year, most people are inside, so it's no big deal, other than the streets are destroyed and the snow hides it. Driving down there is harsh. You have to watch out for rolling ambushes where they box you in but you also have to watch for all the missing manhole and sewer grates. They were stealing them and scrapping them for the metal. Sometimes someone will put an old tire in the hole so you can see it, but you can loose a wheel easy.
It's funny, I think it's actually getting somewhat safer. So many of the houses are burned down that you now get a hellva field of fire. Hard to sneak up on you when they have to cross 2 blocks of open ground. They didn't show this in the video, but I've been to some areas that look just like Somalia. The local gangs pile up all kinds of junk and debris in a zig-zag pattern so you have to slow down. This way if SWAT or DEA come down the street, they have to slow down and the drug dealers get more time to get away. Only thing missing is the burning tires. Oh, ya, I've commented on this in other threads, but I've seen packs of wild dogs, all sizes and breeds, chasing a homeless guy. They have been known to take people down and maul them. There are bodies that have been eaten, but it's unclear if they were "hunted" or just scavenged. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:31:03 PM EDT
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Well, then, Yes. I feel that the portion that has been cleaned up is safe, or at least as safe as any secluded pathway in a major city can be at night. The rest of it? Who knows? I've generally not made it a practice to take nocturnal strolls down railroad beds, so YMMV.
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Snip The cleaned up bike path part of the Dequindre Cut goes from Eastern Market to the riverfront. I don't know why you'd randomly feel like riding your bike to the river in the dead of night, but I suppose you could if you wanted to. I doubt much would be open, but maybe you're just a fan of midnight bike rides? I don't know, it seems like an odd question. The point was to ask if you thought it was safe. You also just said that only a portion of the Dequindre Cut has been turned in to a bike path. It was that uncleaned up portion I was referencing, would it even be safe there at 12 noon? I don't see why not, but again, I don't know why I would have occasion to hang out on the railroad tracks, unless I was making a remake of Stand By Me or something? The point is not that you would go there only that their are areas of the city that are worse than Kabul. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:41:13 PM EDT
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Well, S_A_C, You are correct. Detroit is not Bloomfield Hills. Nor is any other major city in the industrialized world. We'll just have to agree to disagree. You keep focusing on the negative to the complete exclusion of the positive, and I'll focus on the positive with the aim of improving the negative as best I can.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:41:19 PM EDT
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SNIP SNIP SNIP There's truth in that. Detroit is in alot better shape now than it was 20 years ago. Alot of people would be suprised how nice the downtown area is now compared to their expectations. The area between the waterfront and the new Tigers and Lion's stadiums including Greektown is GTG. There are still LOTS of areas outside of the downtown which need bulldozing though. Absolutely. And anyone who has been paying attention will note that the Mayor has a plan in place to attempt to consolidate the population of the city into the areas that are well-populated and well-served by city services (like Police, Fire, and Sanitation), and either bulldoze or at least let the severely depopulated and blighted areas go fallow until such opportunity arises that they can be cleaned up and rebuilt. This is not something that can be achieved in a 4 year term. It took decades for the city to get to it's state of disrepair. It will likely take decades to restore it to it's former glory. Detroit was a jewel until about the mid 60's. It will take time, care, and a lot of labor to bring it back. Under Coleman Young, it just got worse. Things were looking up under Archer, then Kwame came in and fucked shit up again. I think overall, Bing is on the right track (his current obsession with gun control notwithstanding). But it will all take time. A lot of progress has been made, and a lot still must be made. Focusing solely on the negative, unless it's with an eye on how to viably improve it, is a disservice to everyone involved. I may be taking this a bit personally, but I'm not afraid to pick up a shovel and actually do something to improve this down-trodden city, rather than just fire shots at it from the suburbs. It does help in a way, I feel that the only real way to fix Detroit is to tear it down, and rebuild it, eventually the city will reach the bottom then it will have nowhere to go but up, and I don't think that's really possible UNTIL it hits the bottom, think of it as an intervention. By shaming the city it forces it's corrupt leaders to actually make positive changes like you mention, it's like the group that paints abandoned houses florescent orange to force the city to notice them, the more negative the city's image the harder it's leaders must work to fix it, and the more positive changes they have to make. That's one of the reasons why I go out of my way sometimes to bad mouth the city, and wipe off the sugar coating, it forces it to try to prove me wrong by fixing itself, again it's like an intervention, I'm forcing the city to recognize it has a problem, and fix it. It also points out to the rest of the country, and World that this is what decades of liberal rule get you, destruction, decay, and misery. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:43:16 PM EDT
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Well, S_A_C, You are correct. Detroit is not Bloomfield Hills. Nor is any other major city in the industrialized world. We'll just have to agree to disagree. You keep focusing on the negative to the complete exclusion of the positive, and I'll focus on the positive with the aim of improving the negative as best I can. Which is why I focus on the negative, it makes you try to improve it. 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:46:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Well, S_A_C, You are correct. Detroit is not Bloomfield Hills. Nor is any other major city in the industrialized world. We'll just have to agree to disagree. You keep focusing on the negative to the complete exclusion of the positive, and I'll focus on the positive with the aim of improving the negative as best I can. Which is why I focus on the negative, it makes you try to improve it. Lol! It also makes me feel like I'm beating my head against the wall!  |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:52:26 PM EDT
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And people think Baltimore is bad.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 1:13:29 PM EDT
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There are hundreds of packs of wild dogs. The Pheasant population there is crazy also. You will see some huge birds in the grassy areas.
"Say what you will about Detroit. Maybe I am overly optimistic, but I live here. I just got home from a first date. We went to the Detroit Institute of the Arts (Woodward at Warren), went ice skating in Campus Martius, had a glass of wine at Motor City Wine (Woodward at Congress), and had a fantastic dinner at Shangri-La on Cass. At no point were we threatened by anyone, and a lot of this distance was covered on foot. She's from the 'burbs and had a wonderful time. All of the places we visited tonight would compare favorably to similar establishments in Chicago or NYC, based purely on personal experience. But that doesn't fit the narrative, so I suppose I'm wasting my breath." I'm sure you and your date didn't walk up Cass from your skating rink. Yes, there are some pretty trick places to go. Yes, there are some very nice attractions in the city compared to just a few years ago. You still have to watch yourself, even downtown. I saw a few people get jacked up in Grand Circus (the Chelie's side) numerous times, and not by drunk tailgaters. Paris of the West. |
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