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Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:35:48 PM EDT
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Looooooooong time ago debunked russian propaganda lie. But keep repeating it. It makes you look special.
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It takes a special kind of tard to deny the Bucha massacre.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:36:43 PM EDT
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It takes a special kind of tard to deny the Bucha massacre.
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Looooooooong time ago debunked russian propaganda lie. But keep repeating it. It makes you look special.

It takes a special kind of tard to deny the Bucha massacre.


Pretty much.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:38:15 PM EDT
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Sex crime is a staple in Slavworld.  GD loves them some Ukrainian porn and doesn’t even realize how much of it coerced. The Donbas suffered some really prolific rape culture from the Ukrainian side during the last 10 years….but that’s not discussed, shhh!
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Cites and evidence?
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:38:19 PM EDT
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Are we sure those aren’t the Roma men the Ukes killed for looting and and abandoning the Bucha defense? There’s no confirmation of what we’re seeing in that pic either way.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:39:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:39:43 PM EDT
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Are you referring to the dead Ukrainian civilians found  laying murdered in the streets of Bucha, who also miraculously moved so the liberating convoy of Ukranian vehicles wouldn’t run over their extremities?

Or are you referring to something else, which isn’t Ukranian propaganda?
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Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:39:48 PM EDT
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I really respect OP but I just don’t see the war crimes here. I’m. Or a lawyer nor do I have the resume of OP though.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:41:36 PM EDT
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I always scratch my head when I see stories about how one side or the other is accused of breaking rules of war. Isnt the point just to kill each other? Suddenly your expected to follow rules on how to do it. War is ugly.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:41:40 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:45:56 PM EDT
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People do terrible things in war.  Shocking.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:46:17 PM EDT
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Ignoring the fighting that was already happening there before the invasion the ethnic cleansing and the potential to join NATO as not reasons for Russia to intervene in its borders.....

Classic.
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Ignoring the fighting that was already happening there before the invasion the ethnic cleansing and the potential to join NATO as not reasons for Russia to intervene in its borders.....

Classic.


The ethnic cleansing Russia was committing?

Russia is stripping troops from their nato borders so is it really about Nato?

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they've been doing this shit since the beginning, was so bad last summer, Ukie govt had to forbid their troops from filming and posting war crimes....

cue faded sun on how "this is just russian propaganda and not really ukies behaving like savages..." in 3....2...1....GO


I get it you're a little salty after the strikes in Sevastopol taking out the Rostov and the BSF headquarters the other day, but this is interesting.

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is it common practice or good munitions inventory management to use 2-3 small bombs to take out a single soldier?

I guess it is, if someone is writing blank checks to fund your war party.


The grenades are super cheap. Another dead Russian soldier is worth it.



This was a better use of the grenades however. Why get one when you can get multiple
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:47:35 PM EDT
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Now that detailed rules have been posted clearly establishing there was no war crime here, can we agree that anti-Ukraine posts are 87% retarded, baseless, ugly, crap posted for no purpose other than (1) Stir up shit and (2) promote positions that support Russia?

But we're not supposed to call people that post that stuff Putin-puffing, retarded Russian shills? This thread is done, time to move on to the next episode of tardation.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:48:15 PM EDT
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Lol.  Christ, it’s a known component of Slav culture engaged in by both sides…

https://euromaidanpress.com/2021/09/01/is-sexual-violence-used-as-a-weapon-in-the-donbas-war/

I’ve recounted a few times here that when I was a steel fabricator in NYC we used to do repair work on antique iron for a Ukrainian “antique dealer” who then tried to get us to build locking human sized cages for him.  We refused on principle and told the dude, who was pretty much mobbed up and engaged in the night club world in Jersey and NYC, to pound sand and never heard from him again. Sex slavery and human trafficking was a big component of the Slav organized crime rings then and now.  Remember the Bosnian conflict sex rings that found even UN contingents engaged?
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:50:05 PM EDT
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“90 years ago….”

“both commit war crimes”

“Nazis on both sides”

“can’t tell who to really root against here!”

You’re trying way too hard.
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“90 years ago….”

“both commit war crimes”

“Nazis on both sides”

“can’t tell who to really root against here!”

You’re trying way too hard.


"Ukraine was wearing a short skirt and deserved it!"

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Yes.  You start executing enemy combatants that are hors de combat, regardless of what the enemy does, and you become the same as them.


How was he "horse de combat" ?

Ukrainian soldier beheaded by Russians

This is an actual "hors de combat", not someone waving at a drone

Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:50:46 PM EDT
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in before someone says they are "liberated".

Yeah, from life
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:51:12 PM EDT
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Now that detailed rules have been posted clearly establishing there was no war crime here, can we agree that anti-Ukraine posts are 87% retarded, baseless, ugly, crap posted for no purpose other than (1) Stir up shit and (2) promote positions that support Russia?

But we're not supposed to call people that post that stuff Putin-puffing, retarded Russian shills? This thread is done, time to move on to the next episode of tardation.
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Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:54:48 PM EDT
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No, it's not "legitimate" in that looking up in the sky and holding up your hands in no way automatically, legally triggers your Geneva Convention protections.

There would have to be a very specific set of circumstances to make it a viable and legal "surrender."

In THIS case, was this a legal "surrender"?

YOU have no idea.
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Rule 47, IHL (which Ukraine is a signatory to):

Rule 47. Attacking persons who are recognized as hors de combat is prohibited. A person hors de combat is:(a) anyone who is in the power of an adverse party;
(b) anyone who is defenceless because of unconsciousness, shipwreck, wounds or sickness; or
(c) anyone who clearly expresses an intention to surrender;
provided he or she abstains from any hostile act and does not attempt to escape.

Can I read his mind?  No.  I can see a clearly expressed intent to surrender.  I can also see a clear intent on the part of the drone operator to keep trying to kill a person I'd call hors de combat.  That a Ukrainian military affiliated X account gleefully posted.

That's pretty much a war crimes own goal, like the Ukrainian kneecapping video or the doctor who claimed he castrated Russians then backed up and said just ake no prisoners.

Shit like that plays into Russian propaganda.  And makes it hard to claim you're upholding "Western values" and defending "democracy".

This a war of a black side that attacked a charcoal grey side.  I can be against evil Russian aggression while being aware the the Ukrainians aren't clad in white samite.




Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:55:06 PM EDT
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IM sent.


Link Posted: 9/23/2023 1:59:08 PM EDT
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^ that's the truth, Americans often take our societal values for granted and assume the rest of humankind adheres to them.
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When you invade another country and slaughter civilians  YET AGAIN , it usually doesn't turn out like a fucking children's story.


The USA proceeds as if the rest of the world is culturally just like us.

It's very much not the case.
^ that's the truth, Americans often take our societal values for granted and assume the rest of humankind adheres to them.


Values? Societal values?

It's 2023, get off that high horse.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:03:14 PM EDT
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If somebody invaded America I’d have zero mercy for the enemy.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:04:56 PM EDT
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Values? Societal values?

It's 2023, get off that high horse.
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Just 10-20 years ago, our societal values would have called these IED/execution style videos "terrism". Now we're supposed to chant Slava Akbar / Death to the great satan along with them
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:06:32 PM EDT
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Just 10-20 years ago, our societal values would have called these IED/execution style videos "terrism". Now we're supposed to chant Slava Akbar / Death to the great satan along with them
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lol
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:06:59 PM EDT
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UKR-Bois are gathering now for their IO offensive on this thread, of that you can be sure.
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Hopefully more effective than the UKR offensive...
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:07:38 PM EDT
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Such honorable drone warfare.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:08:16 PM EDT
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OP doesn't want to post the video of the castration of a Ukrainian soldier actually in control & custody, among scores of other examples. This incident looks like nothing more than war.
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And why did that happened?

May 2022.

Ukrainian doctor tells TV interviewer he has ordered his staff to CASTRATE Russian soldiers because they are 'cockroaches'.

The Russian video is July 2022.

The Ukrainian doctor was an undisciplined idiot who didn't realize the impact of his stupidity, the Russian torturer needs to be shot (after a trial).
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:09:47 PM EDT
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Where are all the posts about the Russian war crimes?  It's interesting how much focus is given here when Ukraine does something wrong and the same attention is conspicuously absent notwithstanding the much greater number of horrors for which Russia is responsible (including starting this awful war in the first place)
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The Russians didn't gleefully post their war crime on X while claiming they are upholding Western values.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:10:37 PM EDT
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Fuck Putin and his commie soldiers.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:17:41 PM EDT
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Dodge.

You didn't answer the question, same as all the rest of the supporters of the Russian invasion, on here.
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To all the "guys" whining about war crimes, laws, conventions in the face of an invading country:

So, if someone shot your wife in the face, then laid down their gun and surrendered, you would follow the law and wait for the police to hopefully show up and arrest them? You wouldn't be legally allowed to shoot them.
On camera?  That's posted on social media?

If I shoot them I'm going to prison.  



Dodge.

You didn't answer the question, same as all the rest of the supporters of the Russian invasion, on here.

So not blindly supporting Ukraine is supporting Putin.

That's a pretty black & white world view.  

And I didn't dodge your hypothetical.  I shoot, and it's being filmed (let alone I put in on social media) I'm going to prison.  
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:19:11 PM EDT
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Good orc kill
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:22:08 PM EDT
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Boo fucking hoo. I can't imagine some fud actually made this thread. Do you hate America @ODA_564?

Imagine feeling sorry for Russians who are trying to exterminate Ukrainians. I know some people in America defended the Nazis as well but c'mon.

These threads are despicable, trying to undermine people who are literally fighting for democracy and freedom.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:27:25 PM EDT
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Looking for OPs thread enumerating the many war crimes committed by Russia during their invasion of a foreign country.  Regardless of what you think of Ukraine, Russia started this, Putin is a criminal and a demon.  If he wanted mercy he should’ve remained home.  
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:27:43 PM EDT
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No they don't.  They tell us they were invaded by Russia and are trying to take their country back.
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Don't listen to Zelenskyy's speeches do you?

"We are fighting for the values of Europe and the world":

President Zelenskyy says Russia is a grave threat to the European way of life

Full Transcript of Zelensky's Speech Before Congress  


Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:29:00 PM EDT
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As I’ve said in many other threads in many other contexts, there is really no such thing as “international law.” It’s whatever the guy with the bigger guns, or the guy who wins the conflict, says it is. Often in hindsight.

I’m neither a UkeBro nor a PutinPuffer. I don’t really want anything to do with this geographically well-contained and irrelevant (to North America and U.S. interests) conflict. But all I see here is a soldier in a presumably contested area who got drone grenaded, clearly didn’t like it, but - tough shit - got another grenade when the first one didn’t finish the job. I have a hard time calling this a “war crime.”
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:30:17 PM EDT
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Invade America and watch.  Is this a crime defined by a law that Ukraine agreed to follow?  If not, then it's not law.
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What, the "if you wave your hands really fast" you can't be dispatched from murdering ones countrymen law? Sure, it's totally a real thing!

Fucking dumb thread. The Russians can just send out a memo telling their soldiers to suddenly wave their hands real fast if they see a drone, because that means they can't attack you its the rules guise!

The shit some of you guys come up with, lol.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:30:39 PM EDT
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Looking for OPs thread enumerating the many war crimes committed by Russia during their invasion of a foreign country.
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There won't be one
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:31:41 PM EDT
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Boo fucking hoo. I can't imagine some fud actually made this thread. Do you hate America @ODA_564?

Imagine feeling sorry for Russians who are trying to exterminate Ukrainians. I know some people in America defended the Nazis as well but c'mon.

These threads are despicable, trying to undermine people who are literally fighting for democracy and freedom.
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lol'd. The last sentence is laying it on pretty thick.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:33:24 PM EDT
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Your putting way too much feelz into the drone. If it were a couple mortar rounds would it be the same?
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:36:05 PM EDT
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Russia is our sacred state,
Russia is our beloved country.
A mighty will, great glory -
Your dignity for all time!

Be glorified, our free Fatherland,
The age-old union of fraternal peoples,
Ancestor-given wisdom of the people!
Be glorified, country! We are proud of you!

From the southern seas to the polar edge
Our forests and fields are spread out.
You are the only one in the world! You are the only one -
the native land so kept by God!

Be glorified, our free Fatherland,
The age-old union of fraternal peoples,
Ancestor-given wisdom of the people!
Be glorified, country! We are proud of you!

A wide scope for dreams and for life
The coming years open to us.
We are given strength by our fidelity to the Fatherland.
So it was, so it is and it will always be so!

Be glorified, our free Fatherland,
The age-old union of fraternal peoples,
Ancestor-given wisdom of the people!
Be glorified, country! We are proud of you!
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:36:20 PM EDT
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If somebody invaded America I’d have zero mercy for the enemy.
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Guess you've missed the news about our border.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:40:04 PM EDT
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lol'd. The last sentence is laying it on pretty thick.
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Boo fucking hoo. I can't imagine some fud actually made this thread. Do you hate America @ODA_564?

Imagine feeling sorry for Russians who are trying to exterminate Ukrainians. I know some people in America defended the Nazis as well but c'mon.

These threads are despicable, trying to undermine people who are literally fighting for democracy and freedom.


lol'd. The last sentence is laying it on pretty thick.


Very IO of theythem.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:45:58 PM EDT
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It’s not even close to qualifying as a war crime.

It’s a soldier in battle who doesn’t want to die.  

There is no realistic way to take him prisoner.  Certainly no way the you or I can see.
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You ignored the definitions presented in the quoted poat and failed to established anything resembling a rational thought.

Ita impossible to have a productive conversation when people like you simply ignore whats written and shit post
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:46:12 PM EDT
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Isn't it just weird how no one comes out of the woodwork to wail and bitch about Russian war crimes, which by this point are too numerous to count, but the Ukrainians do one questionable thing, and GD lights up with threads how we should cease all support to Ukraine immediately?

Why is that? Whose interests would that serve?


The funniest thing about these faux concern threads is that, if the US stopped all aid to Ukraine today, perhaps all "war crimes" by the Ukrainians would cease (as would their ability to resist, and their country).

But does anyone actually think Russian war efforts, far more often consisting of war crimes, would stop for one minute?

We all know the answer to that - NO, it would just give the Russians time to regroup and attack again later, probably with even more hospitals, schools, and infrastructure targeted again, just to show the Ukrainians who's boss. It would also send a clear signal to the world that the US doesn't have the backbone to defend their allies...as if we needed that signal sent again after the Afghan debacle.

The Ukrainians have gone so far as to mark a public square with big bold letters saying "CHILDREN" outside the Mariupol theater, and the Russians bombed it anyway. That's the kind of enemy they are dealing with.

So by my counting, the Ukrainians have got at least 600 more "mulligans" from me, and they should feel free to drop grenades on military aged males who voluntarily come to Ukraine to murder, rape, torture, and steal, and then after that, they might be approaching square with the Russians.

No more Russians have to die that way though. And the solution is simple:

Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:47:47 PM EDT
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@fadedsun sitting at his computer frantically googling fake Russian “atrocities” that have no validity or proof in response to this thread:

Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:47:50 PM EDT
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Rule 47, IHL (which Ukraine is a signatory to):

Rule 47. Attacking persons who are recognized as hors de combat is prohibited. A person hors de combat is:(a) anyone who is in the power of an adverse party;
(b) anyone who is defenceless because of unconsciousness, shipwreck, wounds or sickness; or
(c) anyone who clearly expresses an intention to surrender;
provided he or she abstains from any hostile act and does not attempt to escape.

Can I read his mind?  No.  I can see a clearly expressed intent to surrender.  I can also see a clear intent on the part of the drone operator to keep trying to kill a person I'd call hors de combat.  That a Ukrainian military affiliated X account gleefully posted.

That's pretty much a war crimes own goal, like the Ukrainian kneecapping video or the doctor who claimed he castrated Russians then backed up and said just ake no prisoners.

Shit like that plays into Russian propaganda.  And makes it hard to claim you're upholding "Western values" and defending "democracy".

This a war of a black side that attacked a charcoal grey side.  I can be against evil Russian aggression while being aware the the Ukrainians aren't clad in white samite.


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According to your interpretation, anytime a drone approaches either side they can wave off the drones by raising their hands.  Your argument fails at the basic logic level and ignores several other aspects discussed such as the ability to effect the surrender which that drone clearly could not do in this case.  While you can say that publishing the footage gives the Ukes a bad look which the Russians will exploit, I don't see how you say this is a war crime.
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Ukraine had nukes pointed at us for decades.. both sides here are both shit.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:49:06 PM EDT
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Eh. Don’t care. Invade my country and see what kind of sick creative ways me and others will come up with to kill you
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Eh. Don’t care. Invade my country and see what kind of sick creative ways me and others will come up with to kill you
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Dats a wAr cRiMe!
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 2:54:01 PM EDT
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Surrendering to a drone only makes sense if the drone operator has the ability to actually take the person into custody.  If they let that guy go he would just be back on the line the next day.  

So spare me the outrage.  Good luck in your endeavors to get that declared a war crime at the Hague.
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