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Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:29:58 PM EST
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What makes that a war crime? How is that any different than artillery hitting a troop concentration several times?

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'firing' on a surrendering soldier. A wounded one.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:31:35 PM EST
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'firing' on a surrendering soldier. A wounded one.
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What makes that a war crime? How is that any different than artillery hitting a troop concentration several times?

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'firing' on a surrendering soldier. A wounded one.

You can fire at wounded, if they are not attempting to surrender.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:31:47 PM EST
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"Bold move Cotton!"
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:32:53 PM EST
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You can fire at wounded, if they are not attempting to surrender.
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What makes that a war crime? How is that any different than artillery hitting a troop concentration several times?

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'firing' on a surrendering soldier. A wounded one.

You can fire at wounded, if they are not attempting to surrender.


I  think his being wounded was a big decision in surrendering. But that's me.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:35:35 PM EST
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I  think his being wounded was a big decision in surrendering. But that's me.
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What makes that a war crime? How is that any different than artillery hitting a troop concentration several times?

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'firing' on a surrendering soldier. A wounded one.

You can fire at wounded, if they are not attempting to surrender.


I  think his being wounded was a big decision in surrendering. But that's me.

Probably was, but you can fire at wounded troops.  The potential sticking point is when they are attempting to surrender
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:42:29 PM EST
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Probably was, but you can fire at wounded troops.  The potential sticking point is when they are attempting to surrender
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To me is no different than an artillery observer seeing wounded soldiers along a trench and continuing to repeat the fire mission. Obviously, they can see the person pleading and wounded, but they are in no position to actually surrender nor are the forces able to affect his capture, they are going to be fired on immediately trying to move towards him. The difference here is that this is the first time many people get to see it in HD from the comfort of their home.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:43:23 PM EST
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Almost as cool as you and maybe 10 other guys desperately manufacturing RuskieBro outrage the same way the race baiters here spray paint the backwards swastikas when they can't find actual racism

Why don't you post the screenshot of the one troll saying something supportive of Russia back in 2021? I've seen that one screenshot in about 25 threads over the past couple years as evidence of commie support lol


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Russian supporters exist here on Arfcom.
I have no clue what your 2md screenshot is supposed to show. And if an emoji face with a Russian flag is the most damning evidence you can find after 10,000 threads filled with accusations of muh Ruskiebro commies!, then I have some good/bad news for you.

Also, how desperate must you be to feel like you need to save screenshots like those for months
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:43:30 PM EST
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).
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I knew a man who served on a PT boat that told me he shot hundreds of them in the water after sinking their ships throughout the war. That man wasn't one to lie.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:49:14 PM EST
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To me is no different than an artillery observer seeing wounded soldiers along a trench and continuing to repeat the fire mission. Obviously, they can see the person pleading and wounded, but they are in no position to actually surrender nor are the forces able to affect his capture, they are going to be fired on immediately trying to move towards him. The difference here is that this is the first time many people get to see it in HD from the comfort of their home.
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Probably was, but you can fire at wounded troops.  The potential sticking point is when they are attempting to surrender



To me is no different than an artillery observer seeing wounded soldiers along a trench and continuing to repeat the fire mission. Obviously, they can see the person pleading and wounded, but they are in no position to actually surrender nor are the forces able to affect his capture, they are going to be fired on immediately trying to move towards him. The difference here is that this is the first time many people get to see it in HD from the comfort of their home.



You can repeat a mission as often as you want, but if you see them attempting to surrender you are suppose to check firing.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:49:59 PM EST
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I have no clue what your 2md screenshot is supposed to show. And if an emoji face with a Russian flag is the most damning evidence you can find after 10,000 threads filled with accusations of muh Ruskiebro commies!, then I have some good/bad news for you.

Also, how desperate must you be to feel like you need to save screenshots like those for months
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The second screen shot is literally the invasion markings used by Russia. One does not accidentally end up with a spray panted Z armored panel as their avatar. As for saving screenshots, its clicking 2 buttons on your phone, it costs nothing to store them.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:51:30 PM EST
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You can repeat a mission as often as you want, but if you see them attempting to surrender you are suppose to check firing.
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and if parts of the trench are still resisting? Thats the context we are really missing, or are his buddies in Foxholes outside of the FOV,
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:57:06 PM EST
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I knew a man who served on a PT boat that told me he shot hundreds of them in the water after sinking their ships throughout the war. That man wasn't one to lie.
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).


I knew a man who served on a PT boat that told me he shot hundreds of them in the water after sinking their ships throughout the war. That man wasn't one to lie.

So that is the interesting thing, much of the justification for the providing aid is because the Russians commit war crimes.  In past threads when pointed out the U.S. did things like that in past, we are told the U.S. never did that because are the good guys.

Now because Ukrainians may be doing similar stuff, we are told the U.S. did in fact do that back than as why it is not a problem by the same group of guys.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:57:51 PM EST
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and if parts of the trench are still resisting? Thats the context we are really missing, or are his buddies in Foxholes outside of the FOV,
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You can repeat a mission as often as you want, but if you see them attempting to surrender you are suppose to check firing.



and if parts of the trench are still resisting? Thats the context we are really missing, or are his buddies in Foxholes outside of the FOV,

Collateral damage probably.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:16:39 PM EST
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Why aren't we seeing videos of Russian oligarchs' motorcades being attacked and their houses droned?

Seeing videos of some poor fuck that was forced to be there getting blown to pieces by his cousin from over the border is a bummer. The dudes happily cheering on the death of "orcs" in these kinds of threads possess some powerful shrimp-dick energy.

Show me the shattered remains of the dudes forcing these kids to kill each other and then we'll have a party.
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Your terms are acceptable.


nb: there doesn't need to be a cabal of Ukrainian oligarchs forcing their people to fight...because they were invaded and are protecting their homes and families, so they already have all the incentive they need.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:26:45 PM EST
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I have no clue what your 2md screenshot is supposed to show. And if an emoji face with a Russian flag is the most damning evidence you can find after 10,000 threads filled with accusations of muh Ruskiebro commies!, then I have some good/bad news for you.

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Almost as cool as you and maybe 10 other guys desperately manufacturing RuskieBro outrage the same way the race baiters here spray paint the backwards swastikas when they can't find actual racism

Why don't you post the screenshot of the one troll saying something supportive of Russia back in 2021? I've seen that one screenshot in about 25 threads over the past couple years as evidence of commie support lol


https://i.postimg.cc/rF142pRz/IMG-4648.png

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Russian supporters exist here on Arfcom.
I have no clue what your 2md screenshot is supposed to show. And if an emoji face with a Russian flag is the most damning evidence you can find after 10,000 threads filled with accusations of muh Ruskiebro commies!, then I have some good/bad news for you.

Also, how desperate must you be to feel like you need to save screenshots like those for months


Two datapoints.

Wholly implausible that those users were shitposting, clearly they're GRU affiliated!

The usual nonsense from CapitolHillTips

Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:30:17 PM EST
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So if even one guy puts his hands up it's now a war crime?  That seems unlikely.  War evolves and you are trying to apply rules that may apply in one case with a new and different scenario.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:31:00 PM EST
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Yes, it is.

And I for one am suffering a lot of second hand embarrassment when supposedly school-trained FID/UW experts can't detect obvious enemy IO themes that are out there, like sprinkles on a pile of horse shit.

Several times per day in GD we can tell when it's horse shit doused in sprinkles, but people keep starting these threads in GD to debate whether it is, in fact, double-chocolate or fudge-brownie flavored birthday cake, and not horse shit.

We haven't had an opportunity to fuck up the Russians like this since 1980, and now people are scooping up their horse shit, passing it around the table, and asking for seconds.

EMBARRASSING.

Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:31:27 PM EST
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The $$$ must flow and the big guy must get his cut! Daily lies of victory and glory on both sides are the tripe the puppet masters feed while bleeding us dry of our money and freedoms. Fuck everyone and everything!
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It's OK, just give up. The Russians love it when you can't "know" anything or "trust" anyone, because in their book, there is no such thing as "objective truth" anyway.

So just stay at home and do nothing, you will have fulfilled your purpose for their ends perfectly well.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:31:54 PM EST
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Yes including one within a few feet of him.  There was no attempt at organized surrender.  It was just one guy in a terrible situation trying to find a way to stop what was happening.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:32:51 PM EST
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So that is the interesting thing, much of the justification for the providing aid is because the Russians commit war crimes.  In past threads when pointed out the U.S. did things like that in past, we are told the U.S. never did that because are the good guys.

Now because Ukrainians may be doing similar stuff, we are told the U.S. did in fact do that back than as why it is not a problem by the same group of guys.
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).


I knew a man who served on a PT boat that told me he shot hundreds of them in the water after sinking their ships throughout the war. That man wasn't one to lie.

So that is the interesting thing, much of the justification for the providing aid is because the Russians commit war crimes.  In past threads when pointed out the U.S. did things like that in past, we are told the U.S. never did that because are the good guys.

Now because Ukrainians may be doing similar stuff, we are told the U.S. did in fact do that back than as why it is not a problem by the same group of guys.


Haha, nailed it with the last two sentences.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:37:35 PM EST
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@R0N, @Wineraner

Just wanted to tip my hat to you guys for adding some thoughtful and informative commentary to the thread.

I am not always the best at adding value to any given thread, particularly one started on this basis, but it is noticed and appreciated just the same.

I stick around ARF because of posters like you guys. We won't always agree, but I am thrilled to learn something new every day.


[ETA: @BobRoberts] and you too sir, thoughtful commentary.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:38:31 PM EST
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"Bold move Cotton!"
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They should paint “I surrender” on top of all of their bunkers.


"Bold move Cotton!"




And the Russians will fire a Grad salvo at it just for consistency.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:55:02 PM EST
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So if even one guy puts his hands up it's now a war crime?  That seems unlikely.  War evolves and you are trying to apply rules that may apply in one case with a new and different scenario.
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You can repeat a mission as often as you want, but if you see them attempting to surrender you are suppose to check firing.


So if even one guy puts his hands up it's now a war crime?  That seems unlikely.  War evolves and you are trying to apply rules that may apply in one case with a new and different scenario.

Chances are it would be treated to similar to when Iraqi forces attempted to surrender following a barrage of ICM in Gulf War One, the observers were told the rounds don’t have strings on them and the guns were given cease loading.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:58:19 PM EST
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I suspect they’re playing the Contrarian to your Current Thing-ism. On an emotional level it’s clearly a triggering thing for you and has robbed you of clarity and reasoning.

Both UA and RU obliterating each other is great for the US and bad for the CCP. This sideshow might keep a US-Chinese conflict at bay for years while we prepare for the real adversary.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 5:03:04 PM EST
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Ukraine tells us it is the front line, defending democracy and Western values.

The account says it's not possible to surrender to a drone.  Iraqis surrendered to AH-64s in 1991.

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Iraqis surrendered to video camera crews from ABC News. They were never really in the fight.

War is hell.  How many soldiers in history have fired thier rifles at the enemy with the intent to kill them one minute only to beg for thier lives the next.I don't think for a second that it's as simple as right and wrong.



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I suspect they’re playing the Contrarian to your Current Thing-ism. On an emotional level it’s clearly a triggering thing for you and has robbed you of clarity and reasoning.

Both UA and RU obliterating each other is great for the US and bad for the CCP. This sideshow might keep a US-Chinese conflict at bay for years while we prepare for the real adversary.
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"Haha, I was only pretending to be retarded!"
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 5:26:19 PM EST
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Tropic Thunder (5/10) Movie CLIP - Never Go Full Retard (2008) HD

Link Posted: 9/24/2023 5:27:15 PM EST
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It’s a very rare occurrence for the lawyer’s advice to be so cut and dry.  It’s usually a more nuanced interpretation of policy and authorities.
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24 MEU's lawyer in AFG in 08 did in fact tell the FSCC to check firing the battery when TB were surrendering to UAS that was adjusting the fire.  By the strictest interpretation of the laws of armed conflict, firing at enemy personnel who are attempting to surrender is not permitted
The US also lost that war.


R0N's story alone made it worth reading through the thread.  Those JAG actions are one of the stupidest things I've read.  It ties into another comment in the thread that, "Just because a lawyer says it's so, doesn't mean it's so.  Find another lawyer, and see what they say about it."

Agreed, no wonder we lost.

Operational elements have lawyers, but the lawyers are not the decision makers.

Fair point, but I will retort by asking what percent of operational commanders will after being told by their SJA something is illegal, tell them to pound sand and we are doing it anyway?

It’s a very rare occurrence for the lawyer’s advice to be so cut and dry.  It’s usually a more nuanced interpretation of policy and authorities.


That is not my experience in working in CoCs
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 5:43:51 PM EST
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If another country invaded my home town and started blowing up my shit, I'd have no problem having a legit torture chamber to commit actual war crimes.

I've never met Geneva but I'd shove a stick up a Russians ass.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 5:48:05 PM EST
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Isn't not killing this soldier the tactically smart idea? You already fucked him up. He'll be out of the war and they'll have to use more resources to get him medical aid.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 5:51:31 PM EST
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I suspect they’re playing the Contrarian to your Current Thing-ism. On an emotional level it’s clearly a triggering thing for you and has robbed you of clarity and reasoning.

Both UA and RU obliterating each other is great for the US and bad for the CCP. This sideshow might keep a US-Chinese conflict at bay for years while we prepare for the real adversary.
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So the guy who went all the way to write sheet music for the Russian national anthem and post it did it to be contrarian? That’s awfully dedicated or autistic
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 5:52:13 PM EST
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There's no such thing as a Ruskiebro. I know you guys need one so bad that I almost hope someone shows up for you someday.
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Seems you haven't been acquainted with TheResurrector or MarkL1.
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I suspect they’re playing the Contrarian to your Current Thing-ism. On an emotional level it’s clearly a triggering thing for you and has robbed you of clarity and reasoning.

Both UA and RU obliterating each other is great for the US and bad for the CCP. This sideshow might keep a US-Chinese conflict at bay for years while we prepare for the real adversary.



"Haha, I was only pretending to be retarded!"


I think supporting either side is beyond the pretending phase.
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I'm sure some here will love this, but it's a war crime.  "Both Russia and Ukraine are Parties to the 1949 Geneva Conventions and the 1977 Additional Protocols. Accordingly, they are bound by those instruments, as well as the customary international law of armed conflict."

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War crime lmfao gtfo of here with that bullshit. Putin's cock is so far down your throat it's coming out of your ass.
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So the guy who went all the way to write sheet music for the Russian national anthem and post it did it to be contrarian? That’s awfully dedicated or autistic
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I suspect they’re playing the Contrarian to your Current Thing-ism. On an emotional level it’s clearly a triggering thing for you and has robbed you of clarity and reasoning.

Both UA and RU obliterating each other is great for the US and bad for the CCP. This sideshow might keep a US-Chinese conflict at bay for years while we prepare for the real adversary.


So the guy who went all the way to write sheet music for the Russian national anthem and post it did it to be contrarian? That’s awfully dedicated or autistic


Get both?

I see the Eastern European quagmire as a strategic opportunity for the US and not much more.
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This, war is hell.
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War crime lmfao gtfo of here with that bullshit. Putin's cock is so far down your throat it's coming out of your ass.
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I wonder if the genius Russians will start placing soldiers on top of the building “showing jazz hands”when they have strategy meetings. That would stop the UA in their tracks ??
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I hate both Ukraine and Russia as any good American should.  That out out of the way, I would be having a blast as that drone operator.

"Oh, you're surrendering?  Haha, fuck you motherfucker.  Boom.  Seriously?  You're still trying to surrender?  Haha.  Boom.  Look at this fucking clown he's still acting like this a game.  Boom."
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I have no clue what your 2md screenshot is supposed to show. And if an emoji face with a Russian flag is the most damning evidence you can find after 10,000 threads filled with accusations of muh Ruskiebro commies!, then I have some good/bad news for you.

Also, how desperate must you be to feel like you need to save screenshots like those for months
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I have no clue what your 2md screenshot is supposed to show. And if an emoji face with a Russian flag is the most damning evidence you can find after 10,000 threads filled with accusations of muh Ruskiebro commies!, then I have some good/bad news for you.

Also, how desperate must you be to feel like you need to save screenshots like those for months


The poster has a rather long history of sharing anything that is pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine to the point of deceit. Claiming Ukraine was landlocked? Yep. Claiming the counter offensive was defeated (even as today it broke Russian lines)? Also yes.

These were actually shared in another thread

If I have a Ukrainian flag in my profile pic, what does that mean?

I'm pro-Ukraine.

If I have a Russian flag flying, post anti-Ukraine and pro-Russian propaganda..what does that make me?

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'firing' on a surrendering soldier. A wounded one.


Like firing on a theatre that had "CHILDREN" written on it?

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The guy was a fair target. The theatre was not.

Of all the things to complain about but not bring up the other?


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Both UA and RU obliterating each other is great for the US and bad for the CCP. This sideshow might keep a US-Chinese conflict at bay for years while we prepare for the real adversary.


So It's important we keep helping Ukraine obliterate Russia and remove a CCP ally off the map
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Hey, what happened to @theresurrector ? Why did he go dark after Russia's big september/october mobilization in Russia?

I guess freedom doesn't allow him to post anymore about it.
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I rate this thread 2 track suits
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I would fault the drone operator for terrible aim
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In all fairness, TheRessurector is not an active poster on AR15.com. 99% chance he’s rotting in a trench or ended up as a Mobik meat cube.
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Hey, what happened to @theresurrector ? Why did he go dark after Russia's big september/october mobilization in Russia?

I guess freedom doesn't allow him to post anymore about it.
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Hey, what happened to @theresurrector ? Why did he go dark after Russia's big september/october mobilization in Russia?

I guess freedom doesn't allow him to post anymore about it.



LOL!


“He’s dead, Jim.”
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Ukraine tells us it is the front line, defending democracy and Western values.

The account says it's not possible to surrender to a drone.  Iraqis surrendered to AH-64s in 1991.

And earlier this year.
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Iraqis also surrendered to a Pioneer drone launched by one of the battleships.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 10:40:46 PM EST
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In all fairness, TheRessurector is not an active poster on AR15.com. 99% chance he’s rotting in a trench or ended up as a Mobik meat cube.
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He chose...poorly.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 10:46:08 PM EST
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So the guy who went all the way to write sheet music for the Russian national anthem and post it did it to be contrarian? That’s awfully dedicated or autistic
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I sure hope he wasn’t trying to be a contrarian. Unfortunately, nobody admits to openly supporting Russia.
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