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Posted: 1/16/2015 4:04:30 AM EDT
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For fucks sake, just let Assad win! This toppling of Middle East dictators has worked out so very well for us thus far  When Assad didn't win 90 days into the fight he'd already lost. Large portions of Syria are going to be a failed state for a long, long time. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:12:06 AM EDT
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Who are the moderates in this situation? The ones who want to get training and material support for their very own jihad. Otherwise, the lines are fuzzy. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:24:53 AM EDT
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Americans have been training the FSA in Jordan and KSA for a while. There aren't going to be Americans in Syria,the risk is simply too great. My take on this fiasco is that when the US and GCC decided it was time for Assad to go,they shouldn't have just sat on the loo farting. It's all far too gone for the originally desired outcome. The VERY best that can be hoped for is all sides getting burned out and agreeing to a Lebanon in the 90s uneasy peace. Sorry for the pessimism but I don't see a military solution to IS any time soon,not from capability but rather will. The longer and longer this goes on,the higher the chance of things going to shit in the Gulf itself via Shia in Bahrain and the Saudi's home grown problems raring up and everything those encompass. I'd buy that, 100%. Except the President, in the words of his own advisors, ducked making a decision out of fear until it was past the window of effectiveness. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:25:28 AM EDT
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Bomb ISIS from the air. It's what we're good at. We aren't good at bombing anyone. Kosovo? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:27:59 AM EDT
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exactly... here's a thought...why don't we just sit this out and let the syrians do what they will, and maybe not train the next batch of jihadis we'll end up fighting... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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nice, training the future enemy exactly... here's a thought...why don't we just sit this out and let the syrians do what they will, and maybe not train the next batch of jihadis we'll end up fighting... I'm ok with this. Much better than having our people sitting there with targets on their backs and sleeping with one eye open all the time. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:29:36 AM EDT
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When Assad didn't win 90 days into the fight he'd already lost. Large portions of Syria are going to be a failed state for a long, long time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For fucks sake, just let Assad win! This toppling of Middle East dictators has worked out so very well for us thus far When Assad didn't win 90 days into the fight he'd already lost. Large portions of Syria are going to be a failed state for a long, long time. Which means that they will be Islamist training grounds. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:30:14 AM EDT
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Bomb long abanonded ISIS positions from the air. It's what we're good at. FIFY |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:31:23 AM EDT
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Bad news for Israel if the opposition wins. Bad news for freedom if the opposition loses. Are Israel and Freedom at war? Perhaps we should hose them down with MG42s. just to make sure. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:31:50 AM EDT
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Bomb long abanonded ISIS positions from the air. It's what we're good at. FIFY There won't be a usable Conex box with a log sticking out the front after we're done with them! |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:32:20 AM EDT
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We aren't good at bombing anyone. Kosovo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bomb ISIS from the air. It's what we're good at. We aren't good at bombing anyone. Kosovo? We did bomb the Chinese Embassy. Thats as close as we will get to Air Sea Battle in our lifetimes. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:32:48 AM EDT
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Are Israel and Freedom at war? Perhaps we should hose them down with MG42s. just to make sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bad news for Israel if the opposition wins. Bad news for freedom if the opposition loses. Are Israel and Freedom at war? Perhaps we should hose them down with MG42s. just to make sure. I'm just happy the Israelis bombed that reactor, versus it being under IS management. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:33:47 AM EDT
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A Marine Expditionary For e is what 45,000 guys? And ISIS is what, 40,000 retards? I would be surprised if they lasted 6 weeks. Drop the hammer and be done with this horseshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just send in an MEF and do the job right. oh my - going for the gold huh? I think an MEF would be more than a match for these retards. Do the job quick and do it right. shit we can just send the whole Marine Corps over at that rate 
but I also tend to agree - whole lotta whoop-ass there (though AFAIK never used) A Marine Expditionary For e is what 45,000 guys? And ISIS is what, 40,000 retards? I would be surprised if they lasted 6 weeks. Drop the hammer and be done with this horseshit. The IS has more than 300k personnel now. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:35:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:The IS has more than 300k personnel now.
Yeah. Well we have 1.5 million. A solid 300K of those are deployable. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:42:15 AM EDT
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Yeah. Well we have 1.5 million. A solid 300K of those are deployable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:The IS has more than 300k personnel now.
Yeah. Well we have 1.5 million. A solid 300K of those are deployable. Only if their KBR cooks, laundry, and MWR can come along. Salsa night must happen
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:42:32 AM EDT
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Yeah. Well we have 1.5 million. A solid 300K of those are deployable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:The IS has more than 300k personnel now.
Yeah. Well we have 1.5 million. A solid 300K of those are deployable. Yeah, I didn't mean anything by it. He just said that the IS has 40k people, and I was correcting it. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:42:41 AM EDT
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Only if their KBR cooks, laundry, and MWR can come along. Salsa night must happen Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:The IS has more than 300k personnel now.
Yeah. Well we have 1.5 million. A solid 300K of those are deployable. Only if their KBR cooks, laundry, and MWR can come along. Salsa night must happen contractors count as deployables. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:43:39 AM EDT
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Yeah, I didn't mean anything by it. He just said that the IS has 40k people, and I was correcting it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah. Well we have 1.5 million. A solid 300K of those are deployable. Yeah, I didn't mean anything by it. He just said that the IS has 40k people, and I was correcting it. Fact is we have no clue how many they have. Do you count AQ/IS separately? You think Hezballah and the other Iranian proxies won't be fighting against any US forces? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:47:08 AM EDT
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Our troops will be joined by the moderate opposition's leaders, General Santa Claus and CSM Easter Bunny.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:50:03 AM EDT
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Do we put ourselves on the State Department Foreign Terrorist Organization list now? So confusing.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:50:12 AM EDT
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In the historic pantheon of bad ideas... this one is right up there.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:51:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm ok with this. Much better than having our people sitting there with targets on their backs and sleeping with one eye open all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: nice, training the future enemy exactly... here's a thought...why don't we just sit this out and let the syrians do what they will, and maybe not train the next batch of jihadis we'll end up fighting... I'm ok with this. Much better than having our people sitting there with targets on their backs and sleeping with one eye open all the time. There are merits to helping them be effective at killing one another. What else would they do? They'd end up in France or Britain or Minneapolis plotting to kill Americans on American soil. We sorta -need- a war to soak up the jihadis more local, the lazy ones will go "join the war" and with any luck, get ground the fuck up in it.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:55:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis administration is insane. Sen. McCain is one of the biggest supporters of this idea. Lots of hawks on both sides of the political isle. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:29:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The article says nothing about sending troops to Syria. Your title is incorrect. ... This article is clearer: The US Department of Defense is to send 400 troops and hundreds of support staff to train moderate rebels against Islamic State (IS) in Syria. www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30847689 |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:33:57 AM EDT
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We will be fighting the same ones we train.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:44:34 AM EDT
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Since Obama's policy has been to pull out of area (Iraq and Afghanistan), why on earth would these rebels want to ally themselves with a USA-backed government?
ISIS will simply behead them when the American troops leave. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:54:56 AM EDT
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contractors count as deployables. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah. Well we have 1.5 million. A solid 300K of those are deployable. Only if their KBR cooks, laundry, and MWR can come along. Salsa night must happen contractors count as deployables. Really 
I was joking. That seems like a bad plan. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:05:53 AM EDT
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The article says nothing about sending troops to Syria. Your title is incorrect. And the notion that there is no moderate opposition in Syria is a big part of the reason we have IS to deal with today. The revolution in Syria began as an almost entirely secular event. If we hadn't been so goddamned ignorant and short sighted about supportin' the Mooslims and them animals over thar we be quite as badly fucked as we are at the moment. Except that is hardly accurate, it was a Sunni MB backed insurgency just like in the 80's. I love how people here condemned the MB in Egypt but are all too willing for whatever reason to support them in Syria. The FSA's main backing and support has always been the MB. The main opposition in Syria going back decades has always been the MB. They are moderate compared to ISIS sure, but they are still the MB. Why do you think Erdogan is such a big supporter? |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:15:12 AM EDT
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This article is clearer: The US Department of Defense is to send 400 troops and hundreds of support staff to train moderate rebels against Islamic State (IS) in Syria. www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30847689 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The article says nothing about sending troops to Syria. Your title is incorrect. ... This article is clearer: The US Department of Defense is to send 400 troops and hundreds of support staff to train moderate rebels against Islamic State (IS) in Syria. www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30847689 Poorly formed sentence,against the IS in Syria is the intent rather than US troops in Syria against IS. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:25:44 AM EDT
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The article specifies two classifications for the troops. Trainers and "enablers". Nowhere did I see that there would be no troops, notably the so-called trainers physically in Syria. What, they're going to shut down the battlefield for a few weeks and fly the "moderates" somewhere else for a few weeks for training? How does that work? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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US troops on the ground in the middle of a brutal civil war in the Middle East? Midway between three packs of animals? They are out of their fucking minds. Lol. Read the article, I know it's 100 words or so, but check it out. There is information and stuff in there. The article specifies two classifications for the troops. Trainers and "enablers". Nowhere did I see that there would be no troops, notably the so-called trainers physically in Syria. What, they're going to shut down the battlefield for a few weeks and fly the "moderates" somewhere else for a few weeks for training? How does that work? Do you know what enablers are? I don't think you do. There won't be troops in Syria. Read the damn article and do a little Google searching. Now, that doesn't mean they won't go in at a later unspecified time, however, initially they are going there to train from surrounding countries. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:26:10 AM EDT
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FBHO The Syrian opposition = ISIS Not quite. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:37:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The IS has more than 300k personnel now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: oh my - going for the gold huh? I think an MEF would be more than a match for these retards. Do the job quick and do it right. shit we can just send the whole Marine Corps over at that rate but I also tend to agree - whole lotta whoop-ass there (though AFAIK never used) A Marine Expditionary For e is what 45,000 guys? And ISIS is what, 40,000 retards? I would be surprised if they lasted 6 weeks. Drop the hammer and be done with this horseshit. The IS has more than 300k personnel now. They went from 40,000 to over 300,000 in less than 6 months?  |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:40:41 AM EDT
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They went from 40,000 to over 300,000 in less than 6 months?
I think they count those they slaughtered as converts... |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:43:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:49:11 AM EDT
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The 300,000 number is a Kurdish estimate. The CIA estimate us about 30,000
Back in September they were about 31,500 There is no way in hell there are 300,000 ISIS terrorists in Syria. That is double the number of troops we had in Iraq at the height of the surge. No way.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:54:52 AM EDT
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Yeah! We will wrest Syria away from Russia so ISIS can have it! (after a short coup)SWEET!
 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the pubic hair of Americans that support this idea.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:58:01 AM EDT
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I feel like we are trapped in a pick up game where we play winner . . . forever.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:06:51 PM EDT
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The 300,000 number is a Kurdish estimate. The CIA estimate us about 30,000 Back in September they were about 31,500 There is no way in hell there are 300,000 ISIS terrorists in Syria. That is double the number of troops we had in Iraq at the height of the surge. No way. The whole population of ISIStan is about 8 million. Per the old Jomini/Clausewitz rules, that's 80,000 full time soldier and a ready pool of up to 800,000. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:07:52 PM EDT
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Moderates my arse. McCain's butt buddies.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:09:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole population of ISIStan is about 8 million. Per the old Jomini/Clausewitz rules, that's 80,000 full time soldier and a ready pool of up to 800,000. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The 300,000 number is a Kurdish estimate. The CIA estimate us about 30,000 Back in September they were about 31,500 There is no way in hell there are 300,000 ISIS terrorists in Syria. That is double the number of troops we had in Iraq at the height of the surge. No way. The whole population of ISIStan is about 8 million. Per the old Jomini/Clausewitz rules, that's 80,000 full time soldier and a ready pool of up to 800,000. Not sure what that rule is, but there is no way it applies in this case.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:14:48 PM EDT
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Bomb ISIS from the air. It's what we're good at. It doesn't mean anything without the right intel... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/exclusive-isis-gaining-ground-in-syria-despite-u-s-strikes.html# |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:17:01 PM EDT
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"in Syria" seems clear to me.
So where do you think these guys will be trained? Quote HistoryQuoted: Poorly formed sentence,against the IS in Syria is the intent rather than US troops in Syria against IS. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The article says nothing about sending troops to Syria. Your title is incorrect. ... This article is clearer: The US Department of Defense is to send 400 troops and hundreds of support staff to train moderate rebels against Islamic State (IS) in Syria. www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30847689 Poorly formed sentence,against the IS in Syria is the intent rather than US troops in Syria against IS. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:18:13 PM EDT
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I have always respected membera of the armed forces, but one has to be crazy to be in the armed services with this retard in charge.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:18:19 PM EDT
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Lol
Assad was the most moderate force in syria. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:21:35 PM EDT
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A Marine Expditionary For e is what 45,000 guys? And ISIS is what, 40,000 retards? I would be surprised if they lasted 6 weeks. Drop the hammer and be done with this horseshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just send in an MEF and do the job right. oh my - going for the gold huh? I think an MEF would be more than a match for these retards. Do the job quick and do it right. shit we can just send the whole Marine Corps over at that rate
but I also tend to agree - whole lotta whoop-ass there (though AFAIK never used) A Marine Expditionary For e is what 45,000 guys? And ISIS is what, 40,000 retards? I would be surprised if they lasted 6 weeks. Drop the hammer and be done with this horseshit. Then send 3 (or top # available) MEFs, SF, SEALS, JSOC, a couple of armored divisions, a few carrier battle groups, and whatever the Air Force can bring to the party. Powell Doctrine, please... |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:21:48 PM EDT
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We did bomb the Chinese Embassy. Thats as close as we will get to Air Sea Battle in our lifetimes. I stood in front of what was left of that building in 2004. It was a hell of a piece of bombing. Big, old, pretty buildings on either side that didn't have a scratch... building in the middle, fucking gutted... blown to shit. Scary impressive capabilities. Of course, it was the wrong building..... 
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:24:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:25:08 PM EDT
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ETA: Beat
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:27:09 PM EDT
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^^^^^^
Awesome timing. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:28:45 PM EDT
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Hmm, my memory is a bit foggy, but I seem to recall a place called Kosovo.
We were just going in to help out, be right back home. Was 1999 I think. {media spin} Did not last long, and no troops were hurt.{/media spin} Sure took the news cycle away from Slick Willie, Monica etal. Impeachment? what was that? poof. But I do recall that before we started the festivities in Kosovo, we sent Jessie Jackson to negotiate. Can we at least send Jackson or Sharpton to Kirkuk or someplace first? . |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 12:28:58 PM EDT
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US troops to train ISIS
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