Time to combine Town Hall Meetings with Open Carry. - Page 2

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Posted: 8/11/2009 6:58:11 AM EDT

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Do we really care what they think of us?

Maybe we should just join Rosa Parks at the back of the bus when it comes to our Rights. Is that what you are saying?

If it's LEGAL, do it. If it's a Right, exercise it. Period. Anyone calling you names for doing so IS THE ENEMY of everything this Country is supposed to stand for.

It's the SAME fight. Us against them. Right against Wrong. Freedom against Tyranny.

You pretty much have to be autistic to not realize the way people might interpret bringing guns to a protest

You again. I'm amazed this account of yours hasn't gotten locked yet. Welcome to my Ignore list...

Posted: 8/11/2009 6:58:35 AM EDT

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No. You're just going to validate the leftards assertion about brown shirts and such. Choose your battles.

This is not the time or the place. You WILL damage our cause.

The left has been doing this for years anyway. The only thing I would suggest is that its a group effort, its easier for the the leftists to come down on one individual than a group. If a group does it than the perception is that its more legitimate (even tho its not illegal).

Posted: 8/11/2009 6:58:38 AM EDT

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OC to a TH, you are going to get fucked in your ass like never before.

I strongly discourage this.

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Don't do it. You will be on the cover of every newspaper in the U.S. of A. as a nut and a wacko. You will hurt and set back our cause 10 years. At least. Please, do not do it.

Posted: 8/11/2009 6:59:47 AM EDT

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OC to a TH, you are going to get fucked in your ass like never before.

I strongly discourage this.

He lives in Vermont, they have the best gun laws in the country, no gun laws.

They'll damn sure have some new guns laws if OP and his posse show up armed to a Town Hall meeting!

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:02:38 AM EDT

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No. You're just going to validate the leftards assertion about brown shirts and such. Choose your battles.

This is not the time or the place. You WILL damage our cause.

The left has been doing this for years anyway. The only thing I would suggest is that its a group effort, its easier for the the leftists to come down on one individual than a group. If a group does it than the perception is that its more legitimate (even tho its not illegal).

No, groups are already doing the protest thing and look how it's being covered. The fact that a bunch of openly armed people show up isn't going to make them say "Gee whiz...these are ordinary people and we must listen to their wisdom!!!"

It will give Pelosi and her assclowns a REAL reason to talk about "threats" as opposed to the bullshit complaints they have now. Then lib congressmen and senators will be all over TV crying about how fucking scared they were when all these armed people showed up and started acting hostile.

The cops WILL be involved, and knowing a bunch of OC advocates they'll behave like asses to the cops and then arrests will happen, which will also look just FANTASTIC on the news.

There is ZERO POSSIBLE GOOD that can come from openly carrying firearms to a town hall meeting to make a fucking point. ZERO. Mr. and Mrs. America aren't going to see a bunch of people shouting with guns on their hips or being arrested and think "Gee whiz! Those people have a point!!"

"I'm exercizin' mah rahts!!!!" ....and helping the other side to dismantle them. Lenin had a term for people who did such things....

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:04:14 AM EDT

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It is my firm belief that a window of opportunity exists to forward 2nd Amendment rights while exercising our 1st Amendment right as well. During these town hall protests, I firmly believe that all protestors that can, should OC their firearms.

That is quite possibly the WORST idea I've ever heard. Are you TRYING to hand the libs a victory? Have you not seen the press coverage this has gotten so far? Throw a bunch of people on some absurd OC crusade into the mix and it will get WORSE.

Terrible idea. HORRIBLE idea.

In Virginia there are activists who have openly carried to political meetings...and it's always been covered as some sort of threat by the press. State issues don't get that much play....you start sticking guns into the Obama agenda and it'll be all over the fucking news.

This right here. There is no way to win in this situation. Pick your battles wisely grasshopper.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:05:08 AM EDT

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If you think that 40 years from now they'll lie you in state when you die because of your "courage" on the OC issue, you're living in a fantasy land.

Has nothing to do with it. Pretty pathetic to bring it up as well. Is asking my Rights be respected that much of a big hairy deal?

Then run around shouting the N word too! Free speech is a right, right? Exercise it!! Woo-hoo!! What can possibly go wrong???

Actually, it should be. Personally, I'm as offended being called a "cracker", but you don't see me lining up hot and cold running lawyers suing all the mental midgets saying it.

....stupidity versus reality. If you can't grasp how bad of an idea it is to inject open carry into a situation like the healthcare town hall meetings, then you shouldn't be playing this game.

It's stupid to EXERCISE A RIGHT? I think, maybe you should revisit your premises before you start calling other people "stupid".

Doing things that make it HARDER for you to win the game is stupid. Period.

It's also stupid to play the other guys game, by his rules, and with his ball. They don't have THEIR rules set up for us to win by. Want to win? Don't play their game...

We have history, facts, the law, and the Constitution on our side. All they can really do is call us names and try to demonize us. And yet folks like you would rather have us puss out and tuck tail.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:05:17 AM EDT

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No. You're just going to validate the leftards assertion about brown shirts and such. Choose your battles.

This is not the time or the place. You WILL damage our cause.

The left has been doing this for years anyway. The only thing I would suggest is that its a group effort, its easier for the the leftists to come down on one individual than a group. If a group does it than the perception is that its more legitimate (even tho its not illegal).

THIS - it was my original thought that organized peaceful and responsible protest, with a majority of people exercising their rights to gather and protest peacefully, to speak their minds, to protect their country against tyranny and thus dispaly their rights to own firearms.... Nothing wacko here, just an organized display of Constitutional rights - FACE IT - IF WE DON"T DO SOMETHING.. OUR CONSTITUTION WILL BE "RE-INTERPRETED" FOR US.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:09:03 AM EDT

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No. You're just going to validate the leftards assertion about brown shirts and such. Choose your battles.

This is not the time or the place. You WILL damage our cause.

The left has been doing this for years anyway. The only thing I would suggest is that its a group effort, its easier for the the leftists to come down on one individual than a group. If a group does it than the perception is that its more legitimate (even tho its not illegal).

THIS - it was my original thought that organized peaceful and responsible protest, with a majority of people exercising their rights to gather and protest peacefully, to speak their minds, to protect their country against tyranny and thus dispaly their rights to own firearms.... Nothing wacko here, just an organized display of Constitutional rights - FACE IT - IF WE DON"T DO SOMETHING.. OUR CONSTITUTION WILL BE "RE-INTERPRETED" FOR US.

I think the Constitution will make it till the end of the month.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:10:20 AM EDT

[#10]

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No. You're just going to validate the leftards assertion about brown shirts and such. Choose your battles.

This is not the time or the place. You WILL damage our cause.

This. I have a CCW but OC 95% of the time. I WILL NOT OC at a TH meeting. We need to put all the focus on Obamacare, not convolute it or muddy the waters by trying to fight many battles at once.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:10:37 AM EDT

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FWIW, CNN had a piece on the town hall meetings yesterday evening, and apparently, at one of them, a CCW holders gun slipped out of his pocket. The CNN "analyst" had a field day with this - he didn't use one iota of facts, but was able to get every Brady and leftist talking point in his commentary. The CNN commentator (a woman, missed her name, actually defended the guy and his gun

), but it seemed like a lot of damage could have been done. It allowed the story to become about how, if these are non-orchestrated, non-violent protests, "Who needs to bring a gun to a meeting like this?" The actual protest and the reasons for the protest were allowed to be ignored.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:10:56 AM EDT

[#12]

Stupid Idea. Think Black Panthers

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:11:28 AM EDT

[#13]

I'm probably the biggest proponent of Open Carry, but I agree with everyone else here, it's not a good idea in this situation. I don't give a damn how politicians would interpret it, I don't give a damn if it would scare the idiots.

However, I think it's not a great idea because you're going into a place that's packed full of possibly violent people all around you. Good luck with retention, it doesn't matter if you have a level III holster, your gun even if you manage to keep it retained, is useless to you.

In VA it appears as though they're holding the town hall meetings in schools, so no carrying period.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:11:35 AM EDT

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If you want a self fulfilling prophecy - go right ahead and carry a gun into a town hall meeting.

I heard this morning on the radio that someone did so here in AZ - and guess what? They look like the problem.

Bringing a gun is a seriously bad idea. Moves like this that will only bring about negative retaliation and validate the assertions of anti-gunners to the general masses. It’s all about perception and marketing. Just ask the Obama administration. Be smarter and better PR/marketers in our cause.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:12:05 AM EDT

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FACE IT - IF WE DON"T DO SOMETHING.. OUR CONSTITUTION WILL BE "RE-INTERPRETED" FOR US.

meh... Never mind.

If we can't even get a 50% consensus on a GUN FORUM like ARFCOM, then the Constitution is already dead. No one cares enough to do anything but cover their own Six and hope the big bad liberals don't say anything harsh about them.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:13:02 AM EDT

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There is ZERO POSSIBLE GOOD that can come from openly carrying firearms to a town hall meeting to make a fucking point. ZERO. Mr. and Mrs. America aren't going to see a bunch of people shouting with guns on their hips or being arrested and think "Gee whiz! Those people have a point!!"

"I'm exercizin' mah rahts!!!!" ....and helping the other side to dismantle them. Lenin had a term for people who did such things....

To put it in perspective for ARFCOM:

How would you react if police covering townhall meetings were disproportionately armed? You'd probably rant about Obama JBTs trying to scare the population into submission.

Bringing guns to a peaceful protest undermines the purpose and message of the protest big time. It changes from "We the people have this viewpoint" to "We will make you see things our way"

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:14:42 AM EDT

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FWIW, CNN had a piece on the town hall meetings yesterday evening, and apparently, at one of them, a CCW holders gun slipped out of his pocket. The CNN "analyst" had a field day with this - he didn't use one iota of facts, but was able to get every Brady and leftist talking point in his commentary. The CNN commentator (a woman, missed her name, actually defended the guy and his gun

), but it seemed like a lot of damage could have been done. It allowed the story to become about how, if these are non-orchestrated, non-violent protests, "Who needs to bring a gun to a meeting like this?" The actual protest and the reasons for the protest were allowed to be ignored.

A bit too convenient. "Slipped out of his pocket"?

My BS meter is pegged.

Further, the Left has been demonizing gun owners since the early 1900's. Their opinion of us should be the least of our worries. This isn't a popularity contest or a fucking glee club.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:15:46 AM EDT

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Has nothing to do with it. Pretty pathetic to bring it up as well. Is asking my Rights be respected that much of a big hairy deal?

YOU are the one who brought up Rosa Parks. Not me.

Actually, it should be. Personally, I'm as offended being called a "cracker", but you don't see me lining up hot and cold running lawyers suing all the mental midgets saying it.

You missed the point ENTIRELY.

It's stupid to EXERCISE A RIGHT? I think, maybe you should revisit your premises before you start calling other people "stupid".

AGAIN: You have the RIGHT to show up to an anti-Obama protest with signs that call him the N word....it would be the height of fucking stupidity to do so.

It's also stupid to play the other guys game, by his rules, and with his ball. They don't have THEIR rules set up for us to win by. Want to win? Don't play their game...

...so by showing up with a gun on your hip you suddenly change the entire balance of politics in the nation and thus render any attempt to paint the people objecting to Obama's healthcare plan as dangerous loons.

Yeah.

Sure.

We have history, facts, the law, and the Constitution on our side. All they can really do is call us names and try to demonize us. And yet folks like you would rather have us puss out and tuck tail.

No, SANE people like me would rather have people show up to the town hall meetings and...oh, I don't know...constructively work to stop the agenda rather than show up to draw attention to themselves because they think it's somehow awesome and patriotic that they gave the "guts" to do something that is 9 kinds of stupid.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:18:53 AM EDT

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Further, the Left has been demonizing gun owners since the early 1900's. Their opinion of us should be the least of our worries. This isn't a popularity contest or a fucking glee club.

No, it's politics, and you have apparently ZERO idea of how politics actually works. The media is how it is, and it has the influence it has. Pretending that isn't true doesn't change it. Showing up openly carrying WILL give ammo to the other side. It WILL marginalize all the people who object to this socialist stupidity, and it WILL make it that much easier for Obama and his ilk to have it their way.

Period.

The question then becomes what your real goal is...to draw attention to yourself, or to actually help stop the agenda.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:20:42 AM EDT

[#20]

Some people have a hard time separating strategy from ideology.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:21:13 AM EDT

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FWIW, CNN had a piece on the town hall meetings yesterday evening, and apparently, at one of them, a CCW holders gun slipped out of his pocket. The CNN "analyst" had a field day with this - he didn't use one iota of facts, but was able to get every Brady and leftist talking point in his commentary. The CNN commentator (a woman, missed her name, actually defended the guy and his gun

), but it seemed like a lot of damage could have been done. It allowed the story to become about how, if these are non-orchestrated, non-violent protests, "Who needs to bring a gun to a meeting like this?" The actual protest and the reasons for the protest were allowed to be ignored.

A bit too convenient. "Slipped out of his pocket"?

My BS meter is pegged.

Further, the Left has been demonizing gun owners since the early 1900's. Their opinion of us should be the least of our worries. This isn't a popularity contest or a fucking glee club.

I agree with you 100%. Period.

But, right now, conservatives are starting (finally) to have some success fighting back at the whole socialization scheme. What I'm pointing out is that, rightly or wrongly, the left can and will manage (with the help of the MSM) to make the gun the story.

This is just like an athletic contest - if something is working for you, and has exposed an opponent's weakness, don't switch to a favorite move or tactic - continue pounding at the weakness with the weapon that exploits the weakness. Don't let up, and don't allow the opponent to have even a moment to recover.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:21:57 AM EDT

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Probably not a good idea considering there is work to be done just to open carry when doing everyday things

without having the cops called out on you.

Not to mention you'll be surrounded by others who may be extremely passionate about the debate to the point

of losing their cool. Introducing a gun into that mix is bad juju.

Firearm retention goes out the window when you have an angry bunch trying to get your gun.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:22:03 AM EDT

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I cc pretty much everywhere I go. I think the need to carry at a TH meeting (outside) is even more prevalent now that obamo is sicking his goons on the dissenters.

I am shocked at all of these replies. It's no wonder gun control is alive and well when we can't even get gun owners to agree about our constitutional rights.

Wow, we should all go hide in the closet and hope the lib media doesn't say anything else bad about us. I'm really hoping that they will change their minds about us.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:22:37 AM EDT

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FWIW, CNN had a piece on the town hall meetings yesterday evening, and apparently, at one of them, a CCW holders gun slipped out of his pocket. The CNN "analyst" had a field day with this - he didn't use one iota of facts, but was able to get every Brady and leftist talking point in his commentary. The CNN commentator (a woman, missed her name, actually defended the guy and his gun

), but it seemed like a lot of damage could have been done. It allowed the story to become about how, if these are non-orchestrated, non-violent protests, "Who needs to bring a gun to a meeting like this?" The actual protest and the reasons for the protest were allowed to be ignored.

A bit too convenient. "Slipped out of his pocket"?

My BS meter is pegged.

Further, the Left has been demonizing gun owners since the early 1900's. Their opinion of us should be the least of our worries. This isn't a popularity contest or a fucking glee club.

Last I checked we're a democracy, so you're fuckin'-a-right it's a popularity contest.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:24:39 AM EDT

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YOU are the one who brought up Rosa Parks. Not me.

Is it a Rights issue or not?

You missed the point ENTIRELY.

So did you apparently.

AGAIN: You have the RIGHT to show up to an anti-Obama protest with signs that call him the N word....it would be the height of fucking stupidity to do so.

And all those protesters calling Bush Hitler or a war criminal were what? Youthful hi-jinks? Free speech is messy and it pisses people off sometimes. Even ugly speech was to be protected.

...so by showing up with a gun on your hip you suddenly change the entire balance of politics in the nation and thus render any attempt to paint the people objecting to Obama's healthcare plan as dangerous loons.

They already think we are dangerous loons. Without one gun being seen, they've already labeled us as racists, bigots, Nazi's etc... Just for opposing their attempt at taking over the health care system. Which, btw, they have no Constitutional authority to do. Rubbing their noses in their other infringements of our Rights helps point this out. With Pelosi's Union thugs beating us up, being prepared to DEFEND yourself makes a whole shitload of sense doesn't it? Or does someone need to be beaten to death before we fight back?

No, SANE people like me would rather have people show up to the town hall meetings and...oh, I don't know...constructively work to stop the agenda rather than show up to draw attention to themselves because they think it's somehow awesome and patriotic that they gave the "guts" to do something that is 9 kinds of stupid.

So, is carrying a firearm "stupid" and "pathetic" only in this instance? If not, why not? It's the same thing. Carrying arms because it is our Right to do so and because we just may need the protection afforded.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:25:44 AM EDT

[#26]

OC to town halls and watch yourself lose the right to OC, and help get Obama care passed.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:26:16 AM EDT

[#27]

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I cc pretty much everywhere I go. I think the need to carry at a TH meeting (outside) is even more prevalent now that obamo is sicking his goons on the dissenters.

I am shocked at all of these replies. It's no wonder gun control is alive and well when we can't even get gun owners to agree about our constitutional rights.

Wow, we should all go hide in the closet and hope the lib media doesn't say anything else bad about us. I'm really hoping that they will change their minds about us.

Dude, nobody is saying don't go to the meeting.

Nobody is even saying don't carry your firearm concealed if it is legal to do so....

What is being said here is that openly displaying the firearm to make some sort of point:

A. Will not convey the message you THINK it will convey
B. Will not help any cause you care about in the least
C. Will not turn out as wonderful as you think it will
D. Will actually HURT the effort you supposedly support

That's IT.

That is the cold, hard, indisputable reality, and those telling you that openly carrying a firearm is a fucking stupid idea are trying to keep you from doing something disastrous for yourself and for the cause you supposedly support. If you REALLY think that being on the front fucking page of the NYT with your Glock caught in a moment when you're screaming or fighting with the cops is going to somehow advance the cause of freedom, you're delusional.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:27:11 AM EDT

[#28]

Two separate fights...

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:28:11 AM EDT

[#29]

Only asking for trouble and giving them a rason to keep us away from the powers that be. Do not be sheeple and get trampled and beat up but sometimes it is best not to cast the first stone. If you must open carry make it a video camera.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:28:43 AM EDT

[#30]

hey xanada. watch your cornhole buddy.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:28:50 AM EDT

[#31]

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No, it's politics, and you have apparently ZERO idea of how politics actually works.

Ah... Now your amazing Kreskin powers take over and you've read my entire biography from the Aether. Nice going Ace...

The media is how it is, and it has the influence it has. Pretending that isn't true doesn't change it. Showing up openly carrying WILL give ammo to the other side. It WILL marginalize all the people who object to this socialist stupidity, and it WILL make it that much easier for Obama and his ilk to have it their way.

So is allowing them to throw a beat down on us with impunity. So is letting them take over the entire Country without even TRYING to stand up to them on equal terms. Tucking tail and leaving half our POWER laying on the dresser just because we don't want them to say bad things about us strikes me not only as stupid, but cowardly.

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The question then becomes what your real goal is...to draw attention to yourself, or to actually help stop the agenda.[/quote]

Keeping my head from getting bashed in by some Union thug would be my goal. One you apparently object to.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:29:01 AM EDT

[#32]

Open carrying will only take the focus off the topic at hand. No good will come of it.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:30:49 AM EDT

[#33]

Some people have a hard time separating strategy from ideology

.

You mean, " Too much emotion, not enough thinking! "

That makes it worse when the one who can not think, has a power to change life dramatically.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:31:53 AM EDT

[#34]

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....snip...

If you REALLY think that being on the front fucking page of the NYT with your Glock caught in a moment when you're screaming or fighting with the cops is going to somehow advance the cause of freedom, you're delusional.

The OC group never fails to amaze me with their utterly astounding lack of discretion and perception. More often than not the adjective 'delusional' is entirely appropriate.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:32:22 AM EDT

[#35]

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No. You're just going to validate the leftards assertion about brown shirts and such. Choose your battles.

This is not the time or the place. You WILL damage our cause.

This.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:33:24 AM EDT

[#36]

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Is it a Rights issue or not?

What the hell are you even talking about? You bring up Rosa Parks and I tell you that if you think carrying a firearm will get the positive play that Rosa Parks got you're not paying enough attention, and then you claim it's poor form to mention Rosa Parks....

WTF?

And all those protesters calling Bush Hitler or a war criminal were what? Youthful hi-jinks? Free speech is messy and it pisses people off sometimes. Even ugly speech was to be protected.

No, those people were FUCKING MORONS. They had every right to be FUCKING MORONS, but they still made themselves look like FUCKING MORONS by their behavior. Your premise seems to be that because that group of people behaved like FUCKING MORONS it is somehow a path to success and we should emulate it in our own unique way.

I think that's a bad idea.

They already think we are dangerous loons. Without one gun being seen, they've already labeled us as racists, bigots, Nazi's etc...

One more time because you don't seem to be grasping the point: THEY are not the target audience for the propaganda. The giant portion of America doesn't think the people protesting at these town hall meetings are dangerous lunatics....yet. Show up with some guns and you'll clear that up real fast.

So, is carrying a firearm "stupid" and "pathetic" only in this instance? If not, why not? It's the same thing. Carrying arms because it is our Right to do so and because we just may need the protection afforded.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

Nobody said don't go. Nobody said don't participate. Nobody even said don't take your pistol for legitimate self defense. What IS being said is that wearing the gun openly as a political statement is a fucking stupid idea.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:33:32 AM EDT

[#37]

OP,

Do you REALLY want these townhall protests to succeed? To stop Obama's agenda? Make no mistake, both he and the Dems have gone all-in on this issue, and if he fails it will be an incalculable blow to his presidency and provide impetus to turn Congress upside down in 2010.

The protests are gaining traction despite the left's best efforts to stop them. Start bringing weapons into the picture and the game changes entirely. Do you really want to throw all that away just to make a point that no one will ever understand? You'll be known in prison as the nutjob who tried to kill a congressman, the police will crack down, the protests will fizzle out and Obama's agenda will keep steamrolling forward on to its next topic: Gun Control, with a whole heap of fresh ammunition.

Is that really what you want to happen?

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:33:54 AM EDT

[#38]

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OC to a TH, you are going to get fucked in your ass like never before.

I strongly discourage this.

IBNAYONBAGRSABYDNWPTOC

In before Nationwide accuses you of not being a gun rights supporter because you do not want people to open carry.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:36:00 AM EDT

[#39]

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Ah... Now your amazing Kreskin powers take over and you've read my entire biography from the Aether. Nice going Ace...

By holding certain positions and advocating certain things you make certain facts about yourself very clear. By holding that somehow showing up with an openly displayed handgun you're going to strike a blow for freedom you're pretty much telling everybody that you don't get it.

So is allowing them to throw a beat down on us with impunity. So is letting them take over the entire Country without even TRYING to stand up to them on equal terms. Tucking tail and leaving half our POWER laying on the dresser just because we don't want them to say bad things about us strikes me not only as stupid, but cowardly.

Again, your reading comprehension SUCKS.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:36:25 AM EDT

[#40]

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FACE IT - IF WE DON"T DO SOMETHING.. OUR CONSTITUTION WILL BE "RE-INTERPRETED" FOR US.

meh... Never mind.

If we can't even get a 50% consensus on a GUN FORUM like ARFCOM, then the Constitution is already dead. No one cares enough to do anything but cover their own Six and hope the big bad liberals don't say anything harsh about them.

Sad but true.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:37:39 AM EDT

[#41]

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This will be a great way to make many people unsympathetic to your cause.

"Your" cause?

What would be YOUR cause, Mister registered on a gun board within hours of azzmunchers last attempt to log in?

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:39:11 AM EDT

[#42]

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Why don't you stay home so you don't make the rest of us look like nutjobs?

Yeah, because staying home has always been a winning strategy.

We need smart, informed, well spoken people championing our cause. Not idiots who think parading guns around tense situations is a great plan.

So, yes, idiot nut jobs, stay home.

Just like that guy railing on Muslims at the Specter town hall. He just made our side look like xenophobic rednecks with his stupid rant. Nut jobs stay home. You don't help and no one listens to the people on the fringe.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:39:54 AM EDT

[#43]

Dude, you can't even sell this idea to ARFCOM!!! You think the general public is gonna buy it? I appreciate your position and respect your opinion but I don't think this will will turn out like you hoped it will.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:43:25 AM EDT

[#44]

Here's what will happen. MSM will report white racist threaten senators with guns.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:47:12 AM EDT

[#45]

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Here's what will happen. MSM will report white racist threaten senators with guns.

...and it won't stop there.

The senators and congressmen will be on every program they can get on talking about how they were threatened. Dateline NBC will do a show about the dangerous militia racists who are threatening the American political system. Chris Matthews will talk about it for six months. Kieth Olberman will jizz in his pants on a nightly basis during one of his "special comment" tirades for a year or two. The DNC will make adds featuring video footage and the networks will run the adds. Obama will take more primetime air time to condemn these armed racists who are trying to intimidate him and stop his agenda.

Etc.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:47:43 AM EDT

[#46]

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I cc pretty much everywhere I go. I think the need to carry at a TH meeting (outside) is even more prevalent now that obamo is sicking his goons on the dissenters.

I am shocked at all of these replies. It's no wonder gun control is alive and well when we can't even get gun owners to agree about our constitutional rights.

Wow, we should all go hide in the closet and hope the lib media doesn't say anything else bad about us. I'm really hoping that they will change their minds about us.

Dude, nobody is saying don't go to the meeting.

Nobody is even saying don't carry your firearm concealed if it is legal to do so....

What is being said here is that openly displaying the firearm to make some sort of point:

A. Will not convey the message you THINK it will convey
B. Will not help any cause you care about in the least
C. Will not turn out as wonderful as you think it will
D. Will actually HURT the effort you supposedly support

That's IT.

That is the cold, hard, indisputable reality, and those telling you that openly carrying a firearm is a fucking stupid idea are trying to keep you from doing something disastrous for yourself and for the cause you supposedly support. If you REALLY think that being on the front fucking page of the NYT with your Glock caught in a moment when you're screaming or fighting with the cops is going to somehow advance the cause of freedom, you're delusional.

Dude, this is the typical OC debate "you're going to ruin it for everyone".

As i posted before, if oc is your normal routine then go for it. I do not propose to oc just to make a statement. I will not hide my rights in the closet just because someone else doesn't like it.

What makes you think that anyone is going to get in a scuffle with the thugs or the police. Maybe you are a hot head that can't control yourself - i am not. I wont be baited into that nonsense. Unless my life is truly on the line.

Here in PA, we just had a guy found not guilty for the charges brought against him for oc'ing last summer at an Obama rally. He was outside the lines and carrying a bible and passing out gun rights flyers. Again, found not guilty. Your rights only last until you stop using them.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:48:41 AM EDT

[#47]

GO BIG OR GO HOME!

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:52:10 AM EDT

[#48]

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Dude, this is the typical OC debate "you're going to ruin it for everyone".

No, it isn't. This isn't about going to Wal-Mart and perchance running across some soccer mom who freaks out and calls 911. This is about showing up at a political hotzone specifically to start some shit.

Maybe you are a hot head that can't control yourself - i am not. I wont be baited into that nonsense. Unless my life is truly on the line.

Here in PA, we just had a guy found not guilty for the charges brought against him for oc'ing last summer at an Obama rally. He was outside the lines and carrying a bible and passing out gun rights flyers. Again, found not guilty. Your rights only last until you stop using them.

Yeah....found "not guilty"....after being arrested and put on trial.

You think it will help stop the Obama train to have your picture on the front of the NYT while you're being carried away in cuffs?

If so, then you're delusional.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:52:14 AM EDT

[#49]

Wow, theres a bunch of pussies here. Black panthers hang outside the polls intimidating people, which is illegal.
A member says "Hey, lets OC, where it's legal!" and the idea of excersizing our rights is stomped on because it may not be PC.
Newsflash people, nothing we do will ever be PC to the left! We go to meetings, and we're plants if we dress to nice. We go dressed in camoflauge, and we're backwood rednecks.
Pelosi has made shit up about us having swastikas at TH meetings. So who the fuck cares?
We can't win. I say OC wherever it's legal. Hurt some feelings. Make liberals very uncomfortable rather than being little PC beyotches.

Posted: 8/11/2009 7:52:52 AM EDT

[#50]

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Here's what will happen. MSM will report white racist threaten senators with guns.

...and it won't stop there.

The senators and congressmen will be on every program they can get on talking about how they were threatened. Dateline NBC will do a show about the dangerous militia racists who are threatening the American political system. Chris Matthews will talk about it for six months. Kieth Olberman will jizz in his pants on a nightly basis during one of his "special comment" tirades for a year or two. The DNC will make adds featuring video footage and the networks will run the adds. Obama will take more primetime air time to condemn these armed racists who are trying to intimidate him and stop his agenda.

Etc.

It will be about time that our elected officials started fearing their constituents. They need to remember that they work for us - not the other way around.

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