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Posted: 6/3/2008 5:41:43 PM EDT

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This is where we stand RIGHT NOW, today.

As the Democrats unify, it will get WORSE.

www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Pngs/Jun03.png

Jun. 03 Electoral Votes: Obama 276 McCain 238 Ties 24

Man, communism is spreading.

Posted: 6/3/2008 5:48:15 PM EDT

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I am confident that McCain can beat Obama, but I am not sure that ANY Republican candidate can beat a Obama-Hillary ticket.

+1

Posted: 6/3/2008 5:54:39 PM EDT

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I think CMJ is spot on with this one...for now. An aweful lot can happen between now and November. Remember Dukakass? 2 week before the election the MSM was declaring him the winner by a landslide. Tonight you are hearing the most absolute leftist puke come out of the MSM, who are taking one shot after another at McCain while praising an inexperienced racist and a power mad nutjob who would be in jail for a long time if it were you or me commiting the crimes she has.

A lot could happen with this and it hasn't even ramped up yet. I would like to think that most Americans are not stupid enough to vote for a Dem, yet they control congress thanks to the MSM. Hopefully the bloggers can put a big dent in the lies coming from the left and their MSM puppets (or is it the other way around??).

The toughest thing I will have to worry about in the short term will restraining myself from doing violence to my TV set whenever a Dem or their sock puppets invade my home with their lies.

Onward......

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:02:43 PM EDT

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Your math is wrong based on ignoring the 2002 reapportionment from the 2000 census. Your numbers are based on out of date information.

It would have been a Gore victory but not a Kerry victory.

That map is a Republican victory as it currently sits. Bush would still have won without Iowa and NH.

Not sure what you're saying.

The electoral votes shown are from current data and the map shows a Dem victory.

If a state electoral count is wrong, I don't see which state is wrong. Can you say which state(s) has the wrong count?

i186.photobucket.com/albums/x103/The_Macallan/Stuff/USA_RB.gif

It's easy:

Take this map and make it match yours. The only difference is Iowa. Take 7 from Bush and give it to Kerry. Now it matches.

www.race2004.net/maps-2004/map4d.gif

Properly corrected, your original map would have:

Obama 259

McCain 279

The 2002 reapportionment gave more EV's to Texas, Florida and several southern states. More than enough to offset the loss of NH which may have even lost an EV if IIRC.

Edit: Your numbers are current, It's your math that's wrong.

Well I'll be. You're right. The numbers were not current. There was an error in them.

That's what I get for using Wikipedia for my numbers.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:03:34 PM EDT

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Shame on you! You should know better than use wiki!

They sucki

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:09:30 PM EDT

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The one thing that will clinch a certain Obama/Clinton win is if Conservative Republicans sit at home or vote for a third party ringer because they don't like McCain.

This above all else will put Obama Bin Stalin in the white house.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:11:18 PM EDT

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Shame on you! You should know better than use wiki!

They sucki

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:12:07 PM EDT

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I have never seen a bigger bunch of fucking defeatists in my life. Just crawl the fuck in the grave already.

No shit. Wheres our drive to get new registered voters?

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:20:41 PM EDT

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Either way,we are fucked.if

If Obama wins,naturally this country will be fucked.

If Obama loses,there will be an excuse for the ghetto goblins to riot.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:22:36 PM EDT

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Either way,we are fucked.if

If Obama wins,naturally this country will be fucked.

If Obama loses,there will be an excuse for the ghetto goblins to riot.

I don't see this as a problem. I live miles from the Ghetto.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:25:28 PM EDT

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Either way,we are fucked.if

If Obama wins,naturally this country will be fucked.

If Obama loses,there will be an excuse for the ghetto goblins to riot.

I don't see this as a problem. I live miles from the Ghetto.

Same here. I can count the number of goblins on 1 hand here.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:28:13 PM EDT

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You are sorely mistaken if you think for one minute Hitlery will be on the ticket.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:29:16 PM EDT

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This is where we stand RIGHT NOW, today.

As the Democrats unify, it will get WORSE.

www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Pngs/Jun03.png

Jun. 03 Electoral Votes: Obama 276 McCain 238 Ties 24

Great, just confirmed what my suspicions were. Virginia is a battle ground state.

The NOVA idiots have taken over.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:30:35 PM EDT

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This is where we stand RIGHT NOW, today.

As the Democrats unify, it will get WORSE.

www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Pngs/Jun03.png

Jun. 03 Electoral Votes: Obama 276 McCain 238 Ties 24

Great, just confirmed what my suspicions were. Virginia is a battle ground state.

The NOVA idiots have taken over.

Not yet my friend, not this time.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:32:39 PM EDT

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This is where we stand RIGHT NOW, today.

As the Democrats unify, it will get WORSE.

www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Pngs/Jun03.png

Jun. 03 Electoral Votes: Obama 276 McCain 238 Ties 24

Great, just confirmed what my suspicions were. Virginia is a battle ground state.

The NOVA idiots have taken over.

Not yet my friend, not this time.

Either way, I have 7 months of Obama campaign ads to look forward to.

Lets face it, Virginia is becoming a blue state.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:33:22 PM EDT

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You are sorely mistaken if you think for one minute Hitlery will be on the ticket.

wrong paste

He just said something tonight about her maybe being on the ticket

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:36:13 PM EDT

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Come on whitey tape...

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:39:03 PM EDT

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You guys are missing out on something very important.

There are so many people who absolutely detest the idea of either a black person or a woman becoming President, without even addressing the issues, who didn't much care
about one white male candidate vs. another white male candidate, who will, this time,
be motivated to vote against Obama and Clinton even if it's the first time they've ever
voted in their lives.

The turnout AGAINST Hillary or Obama will be larger than anyone anticipates. It will
motivate people to vote against them in enormous numbers, ESPECIALLY in the
months following the Democratic convention when ALL of the Republicans with an axe
to grind will unleash the hounds. ALL truths about Hillary or Obama, as required,
will be made abundantly and blatantly clear to people who never really thought about the
actual positions and beliefs of those people before. You will see the mother of all
attack ad campaigns, and THEY WILL BE EFFECTIVE.

Obama is racist against white people. This will be made abundantly clear beyond any possible doubt or argument. He has had a long association with a church that preaches
black liberation theology, and just now broke his membership with it for obvious attempts
at damage control. Black liberation theology says, in brief, do not worship a white god,
and all a white man can do to be acceptable to the follower of black liberation theology
is to be ashamed of the color of his skin and apologize for it.

Obama is a full-on, screaming Marxist if not an outright Communist. This, too, will be
abundantly clear.

Obama will cut our military off at the knees, and he's said so, many times, in different
ways but the result is the same no matter how he says it.

Obama wants to "give" us social programs like universal health care that will not be free,
they will be hideously expensive, and the money comes from just one source: More
taxes for the taxpayer.

Obama wants to penalize those who are smart with their money, in the form of additional
taxes for higher income people.

The American Way does not exist in Obama's world.

Hillary, if she gets the nomination, will be subject to tailored attack ads that will be every
bit as devastating, if not more so.

Make no mistake, whether it's Hillary or Obama, the Democratic nominee is going to
suffer a major asskicking by means of the truth about him or her being presented to
all Americans in a very compelling manner.

That candidate will not survive when it comes to the final election. McCain will win,
particularly if he chooses a strong and moderate running mate.

CJ

I totally agree with you. There is just one thing that you are missing. The people that are going to be voting for Obama WANT socialism. Young stupid students, welfare recipients, Social Security recipients, poor people and democrats will vote for this man.

You have to remember that what he says is not new FDR did the same things and he is revered as the one of the greatest presidents of all time.

We are in for some tough times, especially if we lose the House and Senate.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:40:08 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:42:27 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

And to add insult to injury, the prominent Republicans are noodle spined, weak kneed RINO's.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:44:25 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

And to add insult to injury, the prominent Republicans are noodle spined, weak kneed RINO's.

Not to ruin your night, but lets not forget the Supreme Court judges he'll most likely appoint.

Add all that up, and it's a pretty tasty turd sammich.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:45:29 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

And to add insult to injury, the prominent Republicans are noodle spined, weak kneed RINO's.

Not to ruin your night, but lets not forget the Supreme Court judges he'll most likely appoint.

Add all that up, and it's a pretty tasty turd sammich.

I don't think things could be any more worse.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:47:44 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

What I meant was that the RINO's can still stop filibusters. If they lose enough seats to not be able to stop them we are totally screwed.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:48:07 PM EDT

[#24]

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This is where we stand RIGHT NOW, today.

As the Democrats unify, it will get WORSE.

www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Pngs/Jun03.png

Jun. 03 Electoral Votes: Obama 276 McCain 238 Ties 24

Great, just confirmed what my suspicions were. Virginia is a battle ground state.

The NOVA idiots have taken over.

Not yet my friend, not this time.

Either way, I have 7 months of Obama campaign ads to look forward to.

Lets face it, Virginia is becoming a blue state.

Yep, as the government continues to bloat more "white collar welfare" GS'ers roll into NOVA.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:51:20 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

And to add insult to injury, the prominent Republicans are noodle spined, weak kneed RINO's.

...and picking Gilmore to run for the retiring Warner's seat was not the brightest idea. Warner will trounce him. The only saving grace concerning Warner is that he did sign some good pro-gun bills that effectively flushed Ffx County's bullshit gun laws down the toilet.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:52:05 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

What I meant was that the RINO's can still stop filibusters. If they lose enough seats to not be able to stop them we are totally screwed.

I can tell you right now that we will lose at least 2 more Republicans in the Senate. Norm Coleman is going to get his butt kicked and John Warner is retiring here in Virginia (good riddance IMHO) and replaced with the Democrat Mark Warner. There is no way in hell the Republican who is running will beat Mark Warner.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:52:32 PM EDT

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Apparently, Obama winning would be just fine with some people on this board, including some people in this thread.

Also, the last few days, I have seen people getting Social Security that they contributed to most of their lives referred to as "welfare recipients". What a crock of shit.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:53:21 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

And to add insult to injury, the prominent Republicans are noodle spined, weak kneed RINO's.

...and picking Gilmore to run for the retiring Warner's seat was not the brightest idea. Warner will trounce him. The only saving grace concerning Warner is that he did sign some good pro-gun bills that effectively flushed Ffx County's bullshit gun laws down the toilet.

That was absolutely stupid nominating Gilmore. The GOP here is in shambles.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:53:26 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

What I meant was that the RINO's can still stop filibusters. If they lose enough seats to not be able to stop them we are totally screwed.

I can tell you right now that we will lose at least 2 more Republicans in the Senate. Norm Coleman is going to get his butt kicked and John Warner is retiring here in Virginia (good riddance IMHO) and replaced with the Democrat Mark Warner. There is no way in hell the Republican who is running will beat Mark Warner.

Christ, I feel for you guys in VA. And to think my wife proposed us moving either there or back to NY to be closer to family.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:55:42 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

What I meant was that the RINO's can still stop filibusters. If they lose enough seats to not be able to stop them we are totally screwed.

I can tell you right now that we will lose at least 2 more Republicans in the Senate. Norm Coleman is going to get his butt kicked and John Warner is retiring here in Virginia (good riddance IMHO) and replaced with the Democrat Mark Warner. There is no way in hell the Republican who is running will beat Mark Warner.

Christ, I feel for you guys in VA. And to think my wife proposed us moving either there or back to NY to be closer to family.

I am sad to see what has become of my state. Though, things still aren't as bad as it was back in the early 90's with Doug Wilder and Chuck Robb.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:56:59 PM EDT

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Norm Coleman will beat Al Franken.

Mark Warner is pro-gun, John Warner is anti-gun. Good riddance.

Posted: 6/3/2008 6:59:24 PM EDT

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Norm Coleman will beat Al Franken.

Mark Warner is pro-gun, John Warner is anti-gun. Good riddance.

This is the same state that elected Jesse Ventura.

Doesn't matter about Mark Warner, he gives the democrats more power by being there. I am ecstatic about getting rid of John Warner, not so happy about replacing him with a democrat.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:00:05 PM EDT

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Lose the House and Senate? We don't HAVE the House OR Senate!

What I meant was that the RINO's can still stop filibusters. If they lose enough seats to not be able to stop them we are totally screwed.

I can tell you right now that we will lose at least 2 more Republicans in the Senate. Norm Coleman is going to get his butt kicked and John Warner is retiring here in Virginia (good riddance IMHO) and replaced with the Democrat Mark Warner. There is no way in hell the Republican who is running will beat Mark Warner.

Christ, I feel for you guys in VA. And to think my wife proposed us moving either there or back to NY to be closer to family.

I am sad to see what has become of my state. Though, things still aren't as bad as it was back in the early 90's with Doug Wilder and Chuck Robb.

I do recall that when I moved back to VA in '82, after my father retired from the Army, to go to college, the democrats controlled everything. The majority, I believe, were southern democrats and not the wingbat variety we have today.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:01:07 PM EDT

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Obama is a communist and racist piece of trash. Millions love him for it.

Hillary is a communist and corrupt piece of trash. Million love her for it.

Put the two together and McCain is going to get ass raped in November.

Where is this anticipated backlash supposed to come from? All the Republicans who say they're going to sit out this election because they don't want to vote for a RINO and hope that four to eight years of Hitlery and Osama are going to make the GOP more conservative again? Or from all the countless batshit crazy Hitlery supporters and even more rabid Osama supporters who are going to vote no matter what skeletons those two might have pop out of their closet between now and November?

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:05:32 PM EDT

[#35]

Great. Now we have five months of Mac's unrelenting doom and gloom posts. It's 2004 all over again.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:05:57 PM EDT

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I do recall that when I moved back to VA in '82, after my father retired from the Army, to go to college, the democrats controlled everything. The majority, I believe, were southern democrats and not the wingbat variety we have today.

Yeah but they were Fudds at heart. The election of George Allen put a halt to all of the antics of Mary Sue Terry, Don Beyer and Doug Wilder.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:08:53 PM EDT

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I am sad to see what has become of my state.

My state too. Sad to say it, but if the rest of the state would start DOING something, other than agriculture or big box factories, maybe more of the RIGHT people would come here.

Southern and Western Virginia is much like small town America from Haymarket, VA to the Mississippi River. What is to set it apart and make conservative families uproot and move there?

The reason the Dummycratic assholes flock to NoVA is because there are diverse companies, large government contracts, increased income and nice houses - relative to the towns they are leaving.

Why move to Vinton, VA when you can get the almost identical experience in your hometown of Leetonia, OH?? Why would parents bring their children to the school system of Montgomery County VA when they can have a national leader in schools in Fairfax County??

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:09:38 PM EDT

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I do recall that when I moved back to VA in '82, after my father retired from the Army, to go to college, the democrats controlled everything. The majority, I believe, were southern democrats and not the wingbat variety we have today.

Yeah but they were Fudds at heart. The election of George Allen put a halt to all of the antics of Mary Sue Terry, Don Beyer and Doug Wilder.

Oh yeah, the Don Beyer that forced Volvo's onto the police force in Falls Church.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:10:15 PM EDT

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ESPECIALLY in the
months following the Democratic convention when ALL of the Republicans with an axe
to grind will unleash the hounds. ALL truths about Hillary or Obama, as required,
will be made abundantly and blatantly clear to people who never really thought about the
actual positions and beliefs of those people before. You will see the mother of all
attack ad campaigns, and THEY WILL BE EFFECTIVE.

Not gonna happen. The Repubs have simply forgotten how to run a campaign. They won't pull out all the stops, they won't herald the truth, and they won't be winning. Obama IS going to be the next President, as much as I detest him.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:10:37 PM EDT

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Great. Now we have five months of Mac's unrelenting doom and gloom posts. It's 2004 all over again.

Hey now!

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:12:54 PM EDT

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ESPECIALLY in the
months following the Democratic convention when ALL of the Republicans with an axe
to grind will unleash the hounds. ALL truths about Hillary or Obama, as required,
will be made abundantly and blatantly clear to people who never really thought about the
actual positions and beliefs of those people before. You will see the mother of all
attack ad campaigns, and THEY WILL BE EFFECTIVE.

Not gonna happen. The Repubs have simply forgotten how to run a campaign. They won't pull out all the stops, they won't herald the truth, and they won't be winning. Obama IS going to be the next President, as much as I detest him.

I don't think it's so much that as much that our numbers are dwindling. America is continuously moving left with no end in sight. Within a few decades, I bet we won't recognize this place anymore.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:14:44 PM EDT

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I am sad to see what has become of my state.

My state too. Sad to say it, but if the rest of the state would start DOING something, other than agriculture or big box factories, maybe more of the RIGHT people would come here.

We like the peace and quiet.

Last time I checked, it isn't us country folk who are voting for these idiots (with the exception of the extreme Southwest).

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:16:32 PM EDT

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Great. Now we have five months of Mac's unrelenting doom and gloom posts. It's 2004 all over again.

Hey now!

That's ok... I stand by Mac's track record! If he says Obama is going to win I feel quite assured for the future.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:16:46 PM EDT

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I predict a landslide McCain victory.
Today I am reading reports of several demographics normally a lock for Democrats, such as older white women, are falling away from the Democrap camp in droves. Obama will be repeatedly Swift-Boated due to his undoubtedly shady past in Chicago politics. Legacy media no longer controls distribution of information, and 1) will not be able to bury anything by ignoring it, and 2) make it obvious that they are shilling for Obama by their tone and editing.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:21:13 PM EDT

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Interesting looking at the individual polls. If Rassmusen is at all accurate, McCain wins big.
Also what is insightful is looking at the states that were strong for W in '04 are now pretty week. Who the hell would have thought that some of the conservative mid-west states would be close, but typical Democrat states such as Michigan and some in the north east would be as equally close.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:21:53 PM EDT

[#46]

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I predict a landslide McCain victory.
Today I am reading reports of several demographics normally a lock for Democrats, such as older white women, are falling away from the Democrap camp in droves. Obama will be repeatedly Swift-Boated due to his undoubtedly shady past in Chicago politics. Legacy media no longer controls distribution of information, and 1) will not be able to bury anything by ignoring it, and 2) make it obvious that they are shilling for Obama by their tone and editing.

And older Americans have tended to vote Democrat, and they are fiercely independent - notice how many don't want assisted living or to give up their driving privileges... you think the "he is too old" attacks are going to sit well with them? A war hero, a man with a track record versus a vote dodger, and his medical records showed he is in good health. Yeah, agism will sell well with that key democratic demographic. They vote, young people don't... young people wear t-shirts, put bumper stickers on cars, sign petitions... but they don't vote. We always hear about how they register in droves and it will make the difference. Yet they hated Bush and Bush won twice when everyone said he wouldn't. /shrug

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:22:00 PM EDT

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Don't forget the young who are always going to "vote in droves" seem to forget they are actually supposed to go to the polls on election day.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:23:14 PM EDT

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New Hampshire (4EV), (Kerry '04; Bush '00; Clinton '96; Clinton '92)
Iowa (7EV), (Bush '04; Gore '00; Clinton '96; Clinton '92)
Ohio (21EV), (Bush '04; Gore '00; Clinton '96; Clinton '92)

Republicans won Iowa last time by less than 1% of the vote and Ohio by just 2%.

Obama will deliver the black vote and young voters like no one has ever seen before. HUGE new-voter turnout for the Dems. The Beast will bring out more women than ever before too. Very good chance they could take both states.

ETA: And if they're both on the ticket - they WILL take at least one or two of the Southern Red states.

I am pretty sure Ohio went with Bush in 2000.

Posted: 6/3/2008 7:23:59 PM EDT

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Interesting looking at the individual polls. If Rassmusen is at all accurate, McCain wins big.
Also what is insightful is looking at the states that were strong for W in '04 are now pretty week. Who the hell would have thought that some of the conservative mid-west states would be close, but typical Democrat states such as Michigan and some in the north east would be as equally close.

Scott is probably the pollster I trust the most, his methodology is solid and he doesn't deliver results for his clients, he delivers statistics. People like Zogby long ago sold out and tell their clients what they want to hear. Scott tells his clients, and the public, that the numbers are. You don't like em, well figure out what you are doing wrong and make a change.