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Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:09:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By EvilApplesauce:


i thought the limit was 12 a year.. or something of the sort..
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Originally Posted By EvilApplesauce:
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By Et2ss:
What is considered 'high volume'?

Is there a limitation on the number of private sales over a given period of time?  No?

Then FOAD Bloomberg


  I dont believe there is a physical limit, but ATF can build a case on high volume FTF sales if they can prove you're only buying and reselling for profit. This constitutes that you are "in the business of selling firearms" and must have an FFL in their eyes.

When I worked in an FFL we did have ATF agents come in and cehck on several people would would transfer in multiple's of the same guns that was obvious they were reselling. Guy who transferred in 5 PS90's in the same time comes to mind, mostly because he is in prison now for dealing without a liscense.
 


i thought the limit was 12 a year.. or something of the sort..


I may be wrong, but the definition of "Dealer" is very subjective which gets a lot of people in trouble.  But then again, how do you imprison someone for legally selling some of his own stuff?
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:10:11 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By gunham:
I may be wrong, but the definition of "Dealer" is very subjective which gets a lot of people in trouble.  But then again, how do you imprison someone for legally selling some of his own stuff?
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Originally Posted By gunham:



Originally Posted By EvilApplesauce:


Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:


Originally Posted By Et2ss:

What is considered 'high volume'?



Is there a limitation on the number of private sales over a given period of time?  No?



Then FOAD Bloomberg





  I dont believe there is a physical limit, but ATF can build a case on high volume FTF sales if they can prove you're only buying and reselling for profit. This constitutes that you are "in the business of selling firearms" and must have an FFL in their eyes.



When I worked in an FFL we did have ATF agents come in and cehck on several people would would transfer in multiple's of the same guns that was obvious they were reselling. Guy who transferred in 5 PS90's in the same time comes to mind, mostly because he is in prison now for dealing without a liscense.

 




i thought the limit was 12 a year.. or something of the sort..





I may be wrong, but the definition of "Dealer" is very subjective which gets a lot of people in trouble.  But then again, how do you imprison someone for legally selling some of his own stuff?




 
Intent
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:11:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:

If you intent when buying them was to immediately post them for sale then probably.
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
Originally Posted By gunham:
So if I buy lots of guns and sell them at a loss, then I am a dealer?

If you intent when buying them was to immediately post them for sale then probably.


(A) any person engaged in the business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail,


It would be a terrible business model, but by the definition you are probably right.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:11:34 AM EDT
Bloomy's vag smells like week old fish that has been left out in 100 degree sunny weather in a trash dump next to a skunk carcass depository in Mexico.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:12:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:

  Intent
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Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By gunham:
Originally Posted By EvilApplesauce:
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By Et2ss:
What is considered 'high volume'?

Is there a limitation on the number of private sales over a given period of time?  No?

Then FOAD Bloomberg


  I dont believe there is a physical limit, but ATF can build a case on high volume FTF sales if they can prove you're only buying and reselling for profit. This constitutes that you are "in the business of selling firearms" and must have an FFL in their eyes.

When I worked in an FFL we did have ATF agents come in and cehck on several people would would transfer in multiple's of the same guns that was obvious they were reselling. Guy who transferred in 5 PS90's in the same time comes to mind, mostly because he is in prison now for dealing without a liscense.
 


i thought the limit was 12 a year.. or something of the sort..


I may be wrong, but the definition of "Dealer" is very subjective which gets a lot of people in trouble.  But then again, how do you imprison someone for legally selling some of his own stuff?

  Intent


So you have to submit yourself to the government's mind reading machine to determine intent.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:15:30 AM EDT
^^^^ they decide for you
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:16:18 AM EDT
Is a heart attack in front of a moving truck to much to ask for
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:18:31 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By gunham:
So you have to submit yourself to the government's mind reading machine to determine intent.
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Originally Posted By gunham:



Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:



  Intent





So you have to submit yourself to the government's mind reading machine to determine intent.




 
Don't worry citizen, it's for your own good
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:20:31 AM EDT
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Listen and understand. That Bloomberg is out there. He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesnt feel pity, remorse, or anything but fear. And he absolutely will not stop until your rights are dead.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:20:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:


This, and I expect it happen nationally before I take my dirt nap as it is the low hanging fruit.  
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Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Originally Posted By CKxx:
If they are in violation of the current laws for having a FFL, then why not go arrest them under those laws.  Seems dumb to even bring it up, and thus bring attention to the fact that you are "on to them."


They want to eliminate FTF transactions in all states ( at least the ones remaining where it is still legal to do so).
 


This, and I expect it happen nationally before I take my dirt nap as it is the low hanging fruit.  


Private sales are extremely important. Without them gov't becomes the gatekeeper of the 2A for the younger generations, which is just wrong.
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 7:40:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By eracer:
How does he know that these 'high-volume' dealers aren't licensed?
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Why let a trivial thing like facts and the truth get in your way.

FMB
FBHO
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 10:16:45 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
I won't be surprised is we see a Hilary/Bloomberg or Bloomberg/Hillary ticket.

 
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Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:



Originally Posted By Buzz69:

He will never stop, it will get worse when he leaves office.




I won't be surprised is we see a Hilary/Bloomberg or Bloomberg/Hillary ticket.

 




 
Link Posted: 12/13/2013 12:03:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:


I won't be surprised is we see a Hilary/Bloomberg or Bloomberg/Hillary ticket.
 
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Originally Posted By TheGunCollector:
Originally Posted By Buzz69:
He will never stop, it will get worse when he leaves office.


I won't be surprised is we see a Hilary/Bloomberg or Bloomberg/Hillary ticket.
 



Negative.

Bloomberg's ego is too big for such a thing. So's Hillary's.

Now Bloomberg may run for Prez and if he does my guess is as an "Independent".

I don't think he'd ever get the Repub nomination and the Dems aren't going to let him in the party either.
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