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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:05:34 PM EDT
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I personally don't give a rats ass.... I'm just looking forward to the Sarge's reply... 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:08:02 PM EDT
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Time to review the meds with your Doc Sarge!
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:18:24 PM EDT
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<sigh> SGtar15 |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:23:07 PM EDT
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Here is my reply. AT no time did I say I pray to Mother Mary in this post or any other post. I pray to God, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Word. You can damn my symbolism all you want but all religions have it. That is why almost ALL Christian groups go to a CHURCH every Sunday. The church is symbolic of the House of God, so get the heck of your high horse and realize we are all on the damn same team. Sgt(ifitain'tCatholicit'sacopy)ar15 |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:39:46 PM EDT
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LOL, that's exactly what I was thinking, Tactical. Oh, BTW: When come back bring 3.14159....... |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:41:41 PM EDT
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A [persistent] ghost with taste, no less....... |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:44:01 PM EDT
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You guys! You guys!.......... <---see the avatar. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:44:38 PM EDT
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[Edited to remove 2x post - see below]
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:46:07 PM EDT
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Nope. Just in my television set!
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:03:12 PM EDT
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I know some Jewish folks that have some moving objects... literally.
I don't think it is a Catholic thing. - BUCC_Guy |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:17:49 PM EDT
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Hi Sarge,
To me it is being open to this kind of thing and the catholic faith leaves one more open to this than those who strictly follow the bible. It has been mentioned before on this thread about the worship of "saints and others" and this is the sign post where Christians differ from catholics. There is nothing about statues and relics and veneration of "holy things" in the New Testament of Jesus Christ. When you open yourself up to the mysticism of the catholic faith and its pantheon of demi-gods/saints/popes/mary etc. you are then open to the "other side". We, my family and fellow Christians... NEVER experience these things. Never. I would have heard or know of some such things. Those who dabble with anything other than the Word are open to the "other side". No angelic seeming beings, no nothing... nada.. goose... squat... zip. They dont intersect our lives as we are far removed from anything that would draw us near. No mysterious rites, no statues, no repetitive prayers, no bowing.... nothing. Think about the rosary and try and connect that to Jesus thru scripture alone. It cant happen. We, you and I , are on the same side on many things Sarge... but our religious philosophy is as far apart as you could ever imagine. We do NOT worship the same God. Some may condemn me as divisive and whatever else they can think of, but there it is brother. You are indeed open to "things" where I quite simply am NOT. Never will be either. Just my .02 cents. Dram out 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:21:26 PM EDT
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Unless you are a muslim then you are full of it. What "true believer" church do you belong to? Sgtar15 PS Hint...it is probably on off shoot of the Catholic Faith....and we don't worship symbols or saints. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:36:08 PM EDT
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Sorry Sarge,
The actual church started by Christ has never had anything to do with the catholic faith. You follow tenets and principals that are created and regulated by man. Catholic dogma and principals are not now, nor have ever been connected anything other than mildly to the gospel of Jesus Christ. I belong to the body of Christ, His Church, not the church of the bishop of rome. I am NOT a protestant, that would simply mean I am a catholic that has protested catholocism. I protest NOTHING. I follow the Word, never never the bishop of rome or his minions or his decrees. You follow those things not contained in the Word, and thus have separated yourself from Christ by following man and not the Word. We two are apart, not together friend Sarge. And more is the pity at that. Dram 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:51:53 PM EDT
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Chill pill time folks.
As it was taught to me, "In Christ crucified unity, in doctrine liberty." wganz ¶ |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:52:24 PM EDT
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We didn't leave the Catholic Church, The Catholic Church left us. "We" are the Body of Christ, The Church. Please show me where praying to saints is condoned in the Bible. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:03:25 PM EDT
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It could be that you are haunting yourself, or just haunted. I have a ghost. I have had different encounter's over the years in all different parts of the state I live in. I have also moved a lot. It is very rare that these things happen, but I did read somewhere that people can be haunted just as easily as a house can be.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:06:16 PM EDT
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Please take a look at the first century church. (Clue: It's in the Bible, namely Acts.) Then listen to one of our sermons.
www.cccmesa.com/weekend/sermonarchives.htm I think you'll notice that they are very straightforward and directly taken from scripture. This is the format of the first Century Church. MAN has added the Rosary, chanting, ritualistic prayer, prayer to saints (idolatry), infant baptism, celibacy of priests, hierarchical "spiritual" authority of the priest hood, etc. How can you practice these things (very similar, I might add to PAGAN practices) and then wonder why you are under spiritual oppression? I will not say that you do not worship the same GOD or that you do not have Salvation. It is not for me to judge. However, I will say that according to the Bible, Catholics are SERIOUSLY misguided and revere ritual over intimacy with God. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:15:14 PM EDT
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"Mommy, I'm scared..help me mommy..mommy. mommy where are you. I'm scared"  did you have bad dreams very often???who was the guy that told you about the spirit following you.?? |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:19:20 AM EDT
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Please expound on this, if you would. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:39:05 AM EDT
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I have never understood why people find this so confusing. Take the Hail Mary for example. Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. We are not praying to Mary we are asking her to pray for us. I for one think that the mother of God has a little pull with Him. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:41:24 AM EDT
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Wrong. Jesus said "You are Peter and upon you I shall build my Church." Peter was the first Pope. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 8:01:09 AM EDT
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Where in the Bible does it say that? Catholics do not revere ritual over God. Ritual's are just ways to express our closeness with God. No Catholic I have ever talked to thinks that any Saint is on equal footing with God. We are simply asking them to pray with us to God. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 8:19:43 AM EDT
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I believe you describe a poltergeist. I am too busy to check it out, you can and see if it fits.
Now, I am the original skeptic, especially when people describe this kind of stuff. However, I am also openminded enough to believe that there is more out there than we are aware of. Had a few wierd experiences as a young adult when I was not always such a good person. Nothing awful, just lived life in the fast lane for awhile and I think it caught up with me. It did make me reconsider the direction I was going though. Anyhow, if there is a spirit of some sort around you it may be attached to a possession of yours. Anything you got about time this all started?? 
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Posted: 8/25/2004 9:00:59 AM EDT
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Jeeeez- Here we have a nice thread, debating whether Sarge is haunted, haunting himself, or simply insane. Dram Hi-jacks the thread, and turns it into a Catholic bashing free for all. Dram- what are they teaching you at your church? 30% of the earths population worshipping allah, and wants to kill, or convert you. At least another 50% of the population don't give a shit one way or the other. For you to use you precious time and energy to slam Catholics seems awfully silly to me. I don't claim to be Catholic, but I know a lot of them, and guess what??? They DO worship the same GOD. They call him GOD, and Jesus. Same book too. You can parse words all you like but IS the same GOD! Sorry to disappoint you. Guess your club is not as exclusive, or elite as you thought. Born again denominations confuse me at least as much as the militant atheists, but I respect any faith that compels you to vote for freedom. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:00:16 PM EDT
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I am discussing and debating and elucidating about the Sarge and his "haunting".
I gave a VERY valid reason why he could be haunted, and provided first hand examples to illuminate my theory. If you, or anyone else decides to disagree with me, I can live with that. Can you? One either accepts or rejects my theory, and it is worth exactly what you paid for it. Nothin'. It was a freely given opinion based on factual experience. If you want to say I am bashing anyone, you are dead wrong. Dont like my posts? Dont read them. I merely respond and comment as is usual. Btw, mary is simply the birth mother of Christ. The cath church affirms she is the co-redeemer of our sins along with Christ Himself. I listened to a cath radio show about this same thing. Mary also had children other than Christ with her physical husband, both brothers and sisters, cath church says no. I will give the scriptures for that proof if anyone requires it. Dram out
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:15:39 PM EDT
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maybe its the Feds watching you, their bugging devices have some kind of feedback that you keep hearing.
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:31:35 PM EDT
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I see dead people typing
Or uhh no, I think it's just stupid people on the internet.
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Posted: 8/25/2004 6:38:27 PM EDT
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 MMMMmmmmmm |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:53:39 PM EDT
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THANK YOU!!! Now lets FOCUS PEOPLE! My life might be at stake here! Sgatr15 PS Did you just hear that? Sounded like a kitchen knife dropping....... |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 7:58:40 PM EDT
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In the catholic churches’ zeal to convert "heathens", it was common practice to adopt local deities and ascribe to them the names of the saints (this was quite common in the Caribbean for instance). Since we know that demons are often the "deities" tribal peoples pray to, do you think that it changed just because the parishioners stopped calling the demon “rain god” and started calling it “Peter”? I think not. A rose by any other name…
First of all, Mary is not Holy any more than any good, solid, Christian is Holy. Second, she is not the mother of God, she is the mother of Jesus (the part of Jesus that was fully man, not the part that was fully God. Therefore she can not be the Mother of God.) Second. Is Mary God? No? Then is she all-knowing? No? Hmm. Then how can she hear you? How is it that she has the ability to hear and pray for all of the misguided Catholics who ask her to pray for them? It seems to me that the Catholics have created a She-God for themselves. If you disagree, ask yourself this: How is it that she can do these miraculous things without being God-like? She can’t. BTW, why would Mary have more “pull” with God than you? Why don’t you just talk to God yourself? The answer is that Catholicism has created a tiered system to get to God, and this is not scriptural. Remember, we had a system just like this in place when Jesus came the first time. He called the religious leaders of that time a “brood of vipers”. Much like the over religious are today. Matt. 23:4
Check out Matthew 23. Jesus came to do away with all of the tiresome burdens of overt religiosity. Still, we have eschewed the freedom He brought and have instead returned to religion like a dog returns to his vomit. God desires a PERSONAL relationship with us as individuals; He does not need the trappings of the Catholic Church to communicate with man. Were is the rosary, prayers to saints, etc. condoned in the Bible? It isn’t. If it isn’t, then why do we do it? |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 5:26:14 AM EDT
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Think of Saints this way. It is like if you were in the hospital. Sometimes you talk directly to your doctor about what your problem is. Sometimes you talk to your nurse and they talk to your doctor about your problem. Sometimes it helps to do both. Your nurse is not your doctor, just like the Saints are not God. You don't have to believe any of this. You have some misunderstandings about the Church, and that is ok. I don't think that you are going to hell just because you are not Catholic. If you are happy in your religion then good for you. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 6:38:12 AM EDT
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See? Perfect example, thank you. The deification of Mary. Please show me where the Bible says she was without sin. Sure, you guys have thrown out Saints over the years. All that proves its that you were wrong to begin with. Who says the saints you pray to now are legit? Where does it stop? Clearly, Catholicism has become a religion of MAN. More later...I gotta go to work. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 6:55:30 AM EDT
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Show me an examplein the Bible where she did sin! Show me an exapmle where Jesus NEVER sinned.
First off we DON'T pray to Saints...get that thru your head. Second, all churches make mistakes. You biutch when the Catholic Church doesn't correct mistakes and then you bitch when we DO correct them!!
REALLY??? Name me ONE religion that DOES NOT involve man??? Dumb ass. And since it is symbolism in the Catholic Church that you seem to have a problem why don't you tell me about your church? Does it have a building?(Symbolic as the "House of God") A Cross? (Symbolic of the Crucifixion) Or a WatchTower? (Whatever the heck that symbolizes) You SIR ARE HYPOCRATE. Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 6:56:41 AM EDT
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You don't understand and I am tired of trying to explain it to you. If you believe in Jesus as your savior then I will see you in Heaven and God can set you straight. I don't really care to hear any more later. edit - I grow tired of your hijack of Sarge's thread with talk of things you know nothing about, and your inability to listen. |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 5:33:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2004 8:16:54 PM EDT
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 BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 8/26/2004 8:58:59 PM EDT
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your haunting yourself? you sir are an idiot.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 8:51:13 PM EDT
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Yeah, like a clock* or a lamp**? * Amityville ** still Amityville 
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Posted: 8/27/2004 8:56:41 PM EDT
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Someone here on arfcom (DINO, methinks) has the Coleridge quote as his sigline, but here it is, FWIW: "He who begins by loving Christianity better than truth, will proceed by loving his own sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."-Samuel Taylor Coleridge. |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 9:29:03 PM EDT
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Actually, I neither accept nor reject your theory, as it's not falsifiable. My jury is still out on that. Actually, you state that you have no experience with this sort of thing. The fact that anything remotely similar to this has never happened to you no more proves its negative than if you were to tell Sarge that the reason for his recent back trouble was due to his Catholicism (based on the fact that you, being of your faith, have not had back trouble). It is an observation, though there is really no evidence of/for correlation. Even if I concede correlation, we all know that correlation does not imply (much less prove) causation (of either the positive, negative, or even garden varieties). |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 9:55:05 PM EDT
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Wow, Sarge - this is really some good stuff:
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Posted: 8/27/2004 9:56:15 PM EDT
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Ghostbusters!!!!!
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Posted: 8/27/2004 9:57:53 PM EDT
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[Edit to remove 2x post - see below for actual post.]
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Posted: 8/27/2004 9:58:25 PM EDT
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That's so freaking funny I don't really know what else to say!
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Posted: 8/27/2004 9:59:06 PM EDT
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you can say that again
you can say that again |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 10:05:28 PM EDT
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I did, I did................. Then I edited it. Slow response from I have my Linux box (that I never use anymore) opened up, guts exposed, ready to swap NICs, but it hasn't worked sporadically enough yet for me to follow through with this surgery. Yes, I know it's day/outpatient surgery, but I'm not exactly a hardware surgeon. If so, then more like the Edward Scissorhands of hardware surgery.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 10:08:03 PM EDT
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I liked Edward Scissor Hands
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Posted: 8/28/2004 7:02:14 AM EDT
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My wife helped with the idea and while she showered I went to work on the 'production'!  BigDozer66 |
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), but IIRC she was w/out sin at least until she became His surrogate. Pls don't quote me on this, but think about it and reply. I don't know about the latter, as since the Bible does not completely chronicle every last second of His life, it would be impossible to use it to try to find an example of him sinning. Of course, we can infer that since He had to be perfect in order to be the perfect sacrifice, He was without sin. Any fault in my logic there? It's late, please advise.