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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:11:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm surprised insurance companies haven't started saying they won't cover or will only partially cover your expenses from auto accidents if you weren't wearing a seat belt. They started that quite a while ago. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:13:18 PM EDT
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Sadly too many do not understand Newtons first law of motion. I remember the older cars with metal dashes, hard steering wheels, non collapsible steering columns and no belts. In a collision the people absorbed the damage, but the cars were like tanks. Heh. People are replaceable, they ain't making anymore '56's  Haha I'm building a '56 now |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:19:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I worked a headon accident two weeks ago. The one person not wearing his seatbelt is the one who got all his teeth knocked out and surgery for a shattered pelvis. YMMV I came upon a head-on accident on a 50mph state road, so figure smacking a brick wall at 100. Airbags deployed in both cars. 3 folks in one vehicle with seat belts on. One or two bloody noses. One guy in the other vehicle with no seatbelt on. *snort* *snort* DRT, fetch a tarp. It doesn't work like that. If you were crushed between the two cars then yes but to the occupants in the car it's still like hitting the brick wall at 50. (Assuming a complete stop at impact.) That's curious. When I was in basic police officer training, and accident investigation class in school, both the troopers teaching accident investigation and the instructors teaching accident investigation said the same same thing about combined forces. I was told you should always attempt to avoid a head on because the the sum of the combined rate of travel for each vehicle exceeded the force generated by one rate of travel hitting a fixed object. Have the physics changed? I noticed your caveat of assuming a complete stop at time of impact... is that the deciding factor? Not trying to be argumentative, just please explain why. Thanks. Physics haven't changed. Your instructor was just mistaken. For each car to experience double the impact force of a single car impact, you'd have to create new energy out of thin air, which isn't going to happen. Think of it this way: Car A is traveling at 55 and has X amount of kinetic energy. He hits a wall. That's X energy involved in the accident, some of which will go to the driver, causing injury. Now cars A and B are both traveling at 55. Each also has X amount of kinetic energy, for a total of 2X energy for the whole two-car system. When they collide, you have to divide that total energy release evenly between the two cars. Each car again gets hit with X kinetic energy. The same as if a single car hit a wall. You have double the impact energy, but that energy is now divided between two cars, making it a wash. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:25:22 PM EDT
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I was in a wreck in 1996. I was the only one wearing a seatbelt. I was in the backseat. Did not trust the driver. We got in a wreck. I broke my back and nearly bled out internally. I spent the next month in the hospital. The other three guys in the car including the driver were treated and released that night with relatively minor injuries. Maybe I would have died had I not been wearing a belt. Maybe I also would have suffered minor injuries. You just really don't have any way of knowing these things. Yup... Ex-wife wearing seatbelt had to go to the hospital. Me not wearing a seatbelt was just fine. You never know... People have survived skydiving with the shoot not opening but I don't want to try. But what if the chute doesn't open? |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:30:33 PM EDT
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My boss about 5 years ago was out hunting with his 16yo son and friends
rolled his excursion on a gravel road boys all had seat belts and were fine just a couple light scratches Driver (my boss) was no where to be found kids finally did find him semi conscious in a ditch about 80 feet away got a helicopter flight out of that one seat belts work |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:46:28 PM EDT
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In better than 20 years working as a career firefighter/paramedic, I've unbuckled exactly ONE dead person, and that was a lady that pulled out in front of a dump truck and got slammed in the drivers door.
I can't count the dead ones that have bounced around and out of the car.. Ymmv Matt |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:56:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Smart for people to wear seatbelts. Intrusive for governments to mandate it.  It's as intrusive as speed limits or requiring that you stop at a red light. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:01:50 PM EDT
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I busted a windshield with my face once...... it wasn't that bad.
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Posted: 1/5/2012 6:38:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Smart for people to wear seatbelts. Intrusive for governments to mandate it. It's as intrusive as speed limits or requiring that you stop at a red light. Those rules keep you from endangering others. |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 6:52:09 AM EDT
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Nature thinning out the herd...oh well.
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Posted: 1/5/2012 6:59:13 AM EDT
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I worked a headon accident two weeks ago. The one person not wearing his seatbelt is the one who got all his teeth knocked out and surgery for a shattered pelvis. YMMV I came upon a head-on accident on a 50mph state road, so figure smacking a brick wall at 100. Airbags deployed in both cars. 3 folks in one vehicle with seat belts on. One or two bloody noses. One guy in the other vehicle with no seatbelt on. *snort* *snort* DRT, fetch a tarp. It doesn't work like that. If you were crushed between the two cars then yes but to the occupants in the car it's still like hitting the brick wall at 50. (Assuming a complete stop at impact.) I never did take Physics.
Whatever the forces at work, they were sufficient to plant one seat belt disbeliever in the marble garden. The forces at work are just this - The car goes from being in motion to stopping abruptly because it hit something. But your body keeps right on going until something stops it. So what would you rather have stop your body: a seatbelt or ramming your head thru the windshield? Surviving car crashes revolves around a. not having the parts of the car crushed into your body. b. slowing your body down as gently as possible c. not being thrown out and having your vehicle land on you. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:28:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Smart for people to wear seatbelts. Intrusive for governments to mandate it. It's as intrusive as speed limits or requiring that you stop at a red light. Those rules keep you from endangering others. So do seatbelts. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:45:04 AM EDT
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I worked a headon accident two weeks ago. The one person not wearing his seatbelt is the one who got all his teeth knocked out and surgery for a shattered pelvis. YMMV I came upon a head-on accident on a 50mph state road, so figure smacking a brick wall at 100. Airbags deployed in both cars. 3 folks in one vehicle with seat belts on. One or two bloody noses. One guy in the other vehicle with no seatbelt on. *snort* *snort* DRT, fetch a tarp. I'm sorry that last bit was funny, snort snort fetch a tarp. 
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:48:44 AM EDT
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I worked a headon accident two weeks ago. The one person not wearing his seatbelt is the one who got all his teeth knocked out and surgery for a shattered pelvis. YMMV I came upon a head-on accident on a 50mph state road, so figure smacking a brick wall at 100. Airbags deployed in both cars. 3 folks in one vehicle with seat belts on. One or two bloody noses. One guy in the other vehicle with no seatbelt on. *snort* *snort* DRT, fetch a tarp. I'm sorry that last bit was funny, snort snort fetch a tarp.
Probably not that funny to his friends and family though. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:52:41 AM EDT
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No dude you don't understand! I feel restrained and held back by a seat belt! It's just uncomfortable!
Sarcasm above. I cannot fucking believe how stupid some people are with seat belts. Its their choice, but instead of rationalizing it with excuses like the above they should just say "I don't care if I suffer severe head injuries in a car accident and die. I don't value my safety and life." At least then they'd be truthful. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:54:28 AM EDT
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Sometimes they work, sometimes you don't. My brother was involved in a rollover wreck a dozen or so years ago. Driver was killed, brother suffered major head injuries, three others walked away. The three that walked away were not in seat belts.
However, I recommend wearing one. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:57:40 AM EDT
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I worked a headon accident two weeks ago. The one person not wearing his seatbelt is the one who got all his teeth knocked out and surgery for a shattered pelvis. YMMV I came upon a head-on accident on a 50mph state road, so figure smacking a brick wall at 100. Airbags deployed in both cars. 3 folks in one vehicle with seat belts on. One or two bloody noses. One guy in the other vehicle with no seatbelt on. *snort* *snort* DRT, fetch a tarp. I'm sorry that last bit was funny, snort snort fetch a tarp.
Probably not that funny to his friends and family though. I didn't exactly laugh my way through the incident myself. It's kind of rattling when you're on your way to dinner and are mentally working your way through the menu beforehand, when someone decides to die violently right in front of you. That said, I had the veal. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:58:22 AM EDT
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13 years ago or so I was moving a tandem disc plow from one plot to another down a dirt country road just outside of Vega, Texas.
A carload of drunks in a 90-something Escort doing close to highway speeds id reckon managed to run smack into the plow at about 30-40 after they slidded several hundred feet. The front passenger wasnt wearing a seatbelt and his face made a perfect indention in the safety glass that you could see from the outside. Nose, forehead, chin, etc all perfectly discernable. As you might imagine his face was pretty fucked up and im sure he had a ringing headache. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:59:08 AM EDT
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Think of it this way: Car A is traveling at 55 and has X amount of kinetic energy. He hits a wall. That's X energy involved in the accident, some of which will go to the driver, causing injury. Now cars A and B are both traveling at 55. Each also has X amount of kinetic energy, for a total of 2X energy for the whole two-car system. When they collide, you have to divide that total energy release evenly between the two cars. Each car again gets hit with X kinetic energy. The same as if a single car hit a wall. You have double the impact energy, but that energy is now divided between two cars, making it a wash. I am not a physics expert, but isn't that only true if they are going the same speed AND are relatively similar in mass? I would think a big dually pickup hitting you head on at the same speed would transfer more energy into your car. And what if one car is going 40 and the other 60 but are of similar mass? |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:08:17 AM EDT
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Sometimes they work, sometimes you don't. My brother was involved in a rollover wreck a dozen or so years ago. Driver was killed, brother suffered major head injuries, three others walked away. The three that walked away were not in seat belts. However, I recommend wearing one. First I will preface by saying I read your entire post including the last comment. That said, of course there is no guarantee that a seatbelt will save your life. Not every accident is the same. There are so many factors that have to be taken into account like speed, impact angle, vehicle mass, vehicle construction, occupant mass, occupant body size, etc etc. Sure, sometimes you will be fine while not wearing a seatbelt and even very rarely you may benefit from not wearing a seatbelt. However, by and large they significantly decrease the odds of being seriously injured or killed in a motor vehicle accident. Somebody throwing out "well I was in a serious accident and wasn't injured while wearing a seatbelt" is about like saying you getting shot is no big deal because somebody suffered no serious permanent disability.  Like a car accident, there are factors at play like bullet mass, bullet velocity, bullet construction, bullet size, shot placement, shot angle, and even clothing that was worn. It is absolutely baffling how ignorant people can be and not realize how many factors play a role in an accident. Those factors usually play out such that you are much better off with a seatbelt than without.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:10:25 AM EDT
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Smart for people to wear seatbelts. Intrusive for governments to mandate it. I wonder if the kid's next tattoo will be "FREEDOM!!!!!" 
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:10:26 AM EDT
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double tap..
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:18:04 AM EDT
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I wonder if that vehicle has three sets of seat belts in the back seat ( anyone have a Pontiac G3 to verify ). It could have been that there was not a seat belt available for him. A responsible driver should make sure there are enough seat belts for each occupant much like having a life vest for every person in a boat.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:26:30 AM EDT
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Someone post a link to the thread that asked if seatbelts in cars should be an optional thing.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:28:19 AM EDT
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I've heard of people in the front seat being killed when hit by backseat passengers who weren't wearing a seatbelt. The people in the front seat were lucky.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:30:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: I didn't exactly laugh my way through the incident myself. It's kind of rattling when you're on your way to dinner and are mentally working your way through the menu beforehand, when someone decides to die violently right in front of you. That said, I had the veal. Unconditional win. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 9:28:57 AM EDT
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My anecdotal story...
A guy I knew and 2 others in his truck died New Year's Eve. 1 other passenger life flighted out and lived. None wearing seat belts. Drove off the road and hit a couple trees. Don't drink and drive. 
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Posted: 1/6/2012 9:50:30 AM EDT
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Think of it this way: Car A is traveling at 55 and has X amount of kinetic energy. He hits a wall. That's X energy involved in the accident, some of which will go to the driver, causing injury. Now cars A and B are both traveling at 55. Each also has X amount of kinetic energy, for a total of 2X energy for the whole two-car system. When they collide, you have to divide that total energy release evenly between the two cars. Each car again gets hit with X kinetic energy. The same as if a single car hit a wall. You have double the impact energy, but that energy is now divided between two cars, making it a wash. I am not a physics expert, but isn't that only true if they are going the same speed AND are relatively similar in mass? I would think a big dually pickup hitting you head on at the same speed would transfer more energy into your car. And what if one car is going 40 and the other 60 but are of similar mass? Yes, your intuition is correct in cases of dissimilar mass the bigger guy expiriences less change in velocity while the smaller guy has a greater change in velocity. Likewise with dissimilar speeds. The guy going slower will feel like he was hitting the brick wall at a speed higher than he was originally traveling while the guy going faster will expirience less impact than hitting a brick wall at his original speed. In the real world these simplifications fall apart very quickly. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 10:00:48 AM EDT
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but hey, he gets to pay for one heck of a helicopter ride FIFY No, he'll get one heck of a bill for it. Whether it gets paid is another story. It's amazing how the stupidity and myopia expressed in such acts as not wearing a seatbelt end up being displayed in other areas of these peoples' lives, such as not having insurance and generally being deadbeats. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 10:01:03 AM EDT
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I'm surprised insurance companies haven't started saying they won't cover or will only partially cover your expenses from auto accidents if you weren't wearing a seat belt. They've tried. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 10:52:17 AM EDT
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I never understood why people dont wear seatbelts and helmets Stupidity |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 8:15:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: I never understood why people dont wear seatbelts and helmets I always wear a helmet, even when fishing  |
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Posted: 1/7/2012 8:28:30 AM EDT
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Back in 1984 I busted out the front windshield and went through the passenger side window. 136 stitches later, half scalped, torn right ear, broken nose, and 3 days in the hospital.I still didn't learn, got a ticket in 1990 for not wearing a seat belt, still didn't learn. In 2002 my nephew was through from his truck and it crushed him to death, his date had a crushed hand but she wore a seatbelt, learned then.
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Posted: 1/7/2012 8:30:38 AM EDT
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You get points for distance torpedoing people out the windshields in Saints Row the Third
Just get the Compensator duallie and go smack into some compact cars for mad XP. All of the safety devices that are nothing short of amazing in modern cars are totally dependent on you being positioned properly in the seat. If you're not buckled in, you're just a meat bag in a glass and metal Ginsu cage. I don't give a shit how well I can drive, still doesn't stop some drunk illegal from smashing into your stopped car waiting at an intersection. |
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