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Posted: 6/13/2009 4:25:18 PM EDT
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The president would call in the United Nations Troops to do the confiscation after the first few few massacres. Uhh... The UN doesn't have 'any 'troops' to call in... The US military *IS* the UN's 'troops' in every major operation they've done... Other countries contribute, but I don't think their guys would be too happy being assigned to the duty being discussed here, their personal feelings towards the US notwithstanding 
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Posted: 6/13/2009 4:37:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The president would call in the United Nations Troops to do the confiscation after the first few few massacres. Uhh... The UN doesn't have 'any 'troops' to call in... The US military *IS* the UN's 'troops' in every major operation they've done... Other countries contribute, but I don't think their guys would be too happy being assigned to the duty being discussed here, their personal feelings towards the US notwithstanding Other countries only contribute to touchy-feely missions, passing out food, or standing around pretending to 'peace-keep' (but really doing little more than screwing the local women).... The only countries that actually carry the weight for the UN, are the US, and our immediate allies... The fact is, as stated above, NO ONE is going to call in any troops to take any guns... It's too expensive, too confrontational, and less likely to work than the passive approach.... |
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Posted: 6/13/2009 4:38:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Gun confiscation ? Would you like to hear from someone who has been throught it? Voted for by the masses.  Handguns and semi-auto full bore rifles banned here then confiscated. We were a minority and withstanding civil unrest and armed conflict we had to hand our guns in. As we were already "registered" ( guys, registration IS the first step to confiscation remember that ) Every gun needed to be collected was know and where it was....collection was easy as we shooters are normaly law abiding  In my heart I know that most of you guys would comply too...even you chest beaters....you know who you are.  Here the Newspapers drove the new draconian laws IMHO Now only the criminals have guns...since the ban of pistols and semi-auto rifles gun crime has risen 30%..... Last I checked, most folks 'turned them all in'.... And your police have just picked up the rest as they are found.... And there was no door-to-door tossing of houses looking for guns, right? |
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Posted: 6/13/2009 4:40:31 PM EDT
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The president would call in the United Nations Troops to do the confiscation after the first few few massacres. Uhh... The UN doesn't have 'any 'troops' to call in... The US military *IS* the UN's 'troops' in every major operation they've done... Other countries contribute, but I don't think their guys would be too happy being assigned to the duty being discussed here, their personal feelings towards the US notwithstanding Other countries only contribute to touchy-feely missions, passing out food, or standing around pretending to 'peace-keep' (but really doing little more than screwing the local women).... The only countries that actually carry the weight for the UN, are the US, and our immediate allies... The fact is, as stated above, NO ONE is going to call in any troops to take any guns... It's too expensive, too confrontational, and less likely to work than the passive approach.... Totally independent of the gun confiscation thing, didn't the Pakistanis contribute some combat troops in Somalia, or were they just pressed into service to get our guys out after TSHTF? Been a long time since I read Blackhawk Down so I can't recall off the top of my head. By and large, however, you're right. Other than the American troops we lend them, I'd be more intimidated by a bunch of urban yoots with AKs than many UN "peacekeepers". |
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Posted: 6/13/2009 4:47:21 PM EDT
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Gun confiscation ? Would you like to hear from someone who has been throught it? Voted for by the masses.
Handguns and semi-auto full bore rifles banned here then confiscated. We were a minority and withstanding civil unrest and armed conflict we had to hand our guns in. As we were already "registered" ( guys, registration IS the first step to confiscation remember that ) Every gun needed to be collected was know and where it was....collection was easy as we shooters are normaly law abiding
In my heart I know that most of you guys would comply too...even you chest beaters....you know who you are.
Here the Newspapers drove the new draconian laws IMHO Now only the criminals have guns...since the ban of pistols and semi-auto rifles gun crime has risen 30%.....
Last I checked, most folks 'turned them all in'.... And your police have just picked up the rest as they are found.... And there was no door-to-door tossing of houses looking for guns, right? no We had to got to them to hand them in.....spooky |
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Posted: 6/13/2009 6:04:14 PM EDT
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Federal 'martial law' is a suspension of Habeus Corpus, and the deployment of the militia (National Guard) for law enforcement purposes & to supress insurrection. huh? eta The militia is NOT the National Guard. The NG is NOT the militia. We really don't want to go there, do we? Actually, I do and will According the the Constitution, the 'militia' is federally funded & equipped, trained to federal standards, and state administered. It's right there in Article 1 Sec 8. The National Guard fits the Constitutional definition of MILITIA to a "T'... Article 1 Section 8, US Constitution: Congress shall have the power.... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute theLaws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining theMilitia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Serviceof the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment ofthe Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to thediscipline prescribed by Congress;
To provide for organizing, arming -> Federally funded
disciplining -> Trained to federal standards (See 'discipline' of the armed forces elsewhere in Art1 Sec8)
and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States -> see above 'to provide for calling forth' provision' as to why this would ocurr
reserving to the states respectively, the Appointment of the Officers -> States commission militia officers. This applies to NG officers today
And the authority for training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress -> The UCMJ & US Army FMs are 'the discipline perscribed by Congress'. States are responsible for executing the training of their NG troops, according to these items.
You see, the National Guard IS the modern incarnation of the Constitutional militia...
Thereby effectively invalidating our claims to an individual right to keep and bear arms. I don't like your interpretation of militia. |
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Posted: 6/13/2009 6:09:15 PM EDT
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I would have my methods of dealing with things. No one here would really agree with me on how I would respond.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:42:09 PM EDT
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At one time, not too long ago, I was pretty sure that if a Katrina-esque situation were to happen nationwide where guns were to be confiscated door to door I doubted they would do it. However, since then I have come to one realization. Yes, there would be some in the Military who would refuse to do so, but overall, they would slaughter you and I if we refused to comply. My reasoning? A little part that says foreign and domestic enemies,which is where the right to bear arms comes in at.And any soldier has taken an oath to up hold against said enemies. Not to do the bidding of some self-styled dictator.You would be hard pressed to find many in uniform start a slaughter .Would the N.G. stand by and watch regs.open up?kind of doubt it. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:55:21 PM EDT
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The president would call in the United Nations Troops to do the confiscation after the first few few massacres. U.N. troops?that would be be about the biggest mistake he could make.I can see the headlines now"U.S.troops stand by and watch Mexican soldiers shoot down U.S.citizens" Mexican or any other than there would be war. |
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