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There is a lot of Action-guy chic out there. Speaking as a former SF guy, I think we are the worst about it. As a secuirty contractor, I KNOW contractors are the worst about obtaining the latest little widget to hang on yer gun.
Not usually given to quoting myself but we haven't started talking about what kinda GEAR to have yet. Sparks fly on that one too. |
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And another thing:
there is absolutely nothing wrong with Wolf Ammo for plnking or home defense |
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Oh no - what a tragic drama !! Someone on one internet discussion board is saying something bad about another internet discussion board!!! Say it isn't so!! |
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think they're talking about me? |
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Pretty sure they are. |
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With a loaded question like that, somebody is bound to pull the trigger |
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Hey, I resemble, er, resent that remark... Forrest |
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Just curious how that thread makes you regret donating money to Jen and the Files. Should she delete it and ban everyone putting down Arfcom? If she did then I would write the Files off as the same as Freerupublic and the Democratic Underground where people are banned for daring to have their own opinions. I spend far more time on the Files than here. I like the Files more because it seems to better fit my maturity level, and I enjoy the open discourse. I'm sure Jen and many others appreciate the donations, just remember it's only the internet, no reason to get all worked up over a few opinions. |
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absolutely not. i just find it amusing that a few of the same idiots talking shit about this site were begging for help to save their board a year or 2 ago. As for jen, never even got a stamped out form letter thanking members for their support. Sent her a couple of emails trying to get my account to work and never got so much as a fuck you response back. I know the emails went through as the read reciet was returned. I have been a member over there for several years but seldome post. Arfcom isn't the only forum eaten up with dumbasses. they have more than their fair share as well. mike |
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Agreed. Wrong. Wolf (in .223) does not have sufficent velocity to be effective. Of course, this only applies to Wolf in .223, not in other calibers. |
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Oh, I have a sneaking suspicion that you spend quite a bit of time talking about yourself. |
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Interesting, since you were one of the ones there, ragging on this place. |
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Wolf will do a hell of a lot of damage to a human body, especially at the close distances of home defense. There are better choices, but Wolf .223 will still do a great job at at stopping a threat. |
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No, no it's not. Wolf .223 does not frag. It is documented, that ballistically, that Wolf's .223 loading is too underpowered to be considered a viable self defense round. Is it better than a sharp stick? Of course. But that doesn't mean Wolf .223 will do a "great job" at stopping a threat. |
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hi-jack, since this thread is boring I dont normally get into the ballistic debates, but I am genuinely interested in the factual basis for those statements. What data are they based on? Do you have documentation on any actual shootings involving Wolf ammo? Oh wait, this is the internet. |
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He said it himself, there are better choices than Wolf. |
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So go ahead, show me one ounce of proof saying Wolf is any worse than any pistol caliber that millions of people use to defend their homes. I'll be waiting... |
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Ammo does not have to fragment to stop a threat. Show me how Wolf, even at it's "slow" velocity of 2,800FPS isn't going to hold it's own in stopping a threat, especially when compared to the other average home defense rounds. Also show me how it's fact and not just your opinion. |
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I'm grumpy, but I'm not an old man. In order to be effective, 5.56/.223 rounds need to fragment. This is a fact. It doesn't matter with .30 cal rounds, but it is how 5.56/.223 does its killling. Here Ammo Oracle |
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How about you let me shoot you with some Wolf, since it won't even phase you... |
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Round and roung we go...
Oh, I have a sneaking suspicion that you spend quite a bit of time talking about yourself. Say, that reminds me...dont be such a pussy. And like I said, Wolf is fine for home defense. I mean, people, we're talking about getting shot in the face at close range. Thats like the arguemnet betwen 11.4, 14.5 and 16" bbls. Even if its velocity is significantly reduced, a round coming out of 11.5 under 25m (arguably CQB parameters) will bust you in the ass. Plus, as the saying goes, "Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice" |
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You are correct. However, with the low velocities of the Wolf loading, it is not an effective means of stopping a threat. Strawman argument. .22LR is not an effective fight stopper, doesn't mean you would let yourself be shot with it. Hell, I wouldn't let you shoot me with birdshot from 40 yards. Does that mean birdshot is an effective means to stop a threat? No one ever said Wolf's .223 loading would not stop a threat, we just maintain that Wolf .223 is not an EFFECTIVE MEANS to do so. |
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What is or is not "effective" is simply a matter of opinion, as I also said in my first post that you just can't stop arguing. |
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uh....guys.....
thats why you have 30 round magazines. and bayonets. |
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It doesn't matter with .30 cal rounds, but it is how 5.56/.223 does its killling.
Pardon me but that's bullshit. A 62grn bullet or a 180grn bullet does its killing through blood loss and tissue damage. a tiny bullet, fragmented or no popping through an aorta are slicing through your inferiro vena cava will kill you. And like the man said, let someone shoot your ass with it and see if its effective. This is like the 7.62 vs. 5.56 argument regarding effectiveness against people in soft skinned automobiles. I challenge the critics to sit in a Olsmobile and let someone bang away at them with CAR-15 and test their theory. I saw a cat get chopped apart by SAWs and M4s as he tried to run a checlpoint in Kirkuk. The fucker disintegrated Just goes to show you, you get shot with anything in the "Terminal T" and you'll be swirling down the drain |
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here's the way i see it... you have some issues with the site. that's fine. everybody is entitled to their opinion. i enjoy posting here and reading other people's posts. you obviously don't. it doesn't bother me at all. but what does calling us a bunch of fags accomplish? if you have issues with the site, why not bring them up like an adult instead of stooping to insults? |
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FALfile member: "Hello....My name is (fill in screen name here), and I too...suffer from ArfCom Envy.
Forum members: "Hello, (fill in screen name here) " {Group Hug} |
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So I like to waste time, So what.
Check how this thread is going. Bullets won't kill you unless they are REALLY good bullets Jeez Thanks for proving my thesis "ooh, ooh...what color should a get my stock in? "ooh, ooh OH! Don't get it in Coyote Tan...get it in Dark Earth" "Coyote Tan is soooo SHOT '05" Oh, my gun goes sproing when I shoot it. How do I get rid of the noise?" "Can any operators tell me which end of the clip goes in the gun" LOL!! |
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Boy sarge just rubs some people the wrong way, does'nt he?? But other than that , i say his comment about ARFCOM was 100% wrong, Right?............uh maybe?................................... |
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Hey, I tried to fill in my name and my browser wouldn't let me... It acts like there's no link there at all (no little graspy hand or anything)... What's up...? Whoops, sorry for the hijack... Back to arguing about "why I'd rather be shot with Wolf than something else, or not..." Forrest |
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isn't that what they were shooting al pacino with at the end of Scarface? Is that why he didnt go down until he took the shotgun to the back? |
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We who? |
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Little known fact - Al pacino was not killed by the shotgun blast. He was actually killed by the racking of the shotgun, a half second before he was shot. |
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The bait was set out...... and sadly was taken. Yet another discussion in danger of being taken over by 'The Great Wolf Ammo Debate'. Sort of illustrates a point. |
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You DO realize though, that you sound like QUITE the hypocritical, sanctimonious ass, right ? Pot..... Kettle ... Hmmm ??? Don't come over here, bitching about how WE supposedly act a certain way on THIS site, then exhibit the exact same behaviour yourself. That's just being a fuckin' hypocritical troll........ Pure and simple. Go find somebody to hate, that might actually give a shit..... |
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Don't you know ? Him and the rest of 10th grade ! Duhhhhhh |
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(yawn)
(smacksmack) Hey, man, don't you have some rail covers to buy or something? |
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I quickly saw your original comment earlier before I had to run an errand and didn't have time to respond then... Sorry... I appreciated the post... Now, it's gone... I hope that it wasn't something that I said (or didn't say)... Forrest |
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No, seriously...
There is a lot of good info in this particular forum. I've gleaned volumes from experts on ass-tattoos, how to kill zombies (real, infected ones - not those fakes up in Seattle) and Battlestar Galactica. And JB69OU812, in case you're fresh out of irony, i am mocking you. (nitz) |
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I still dont get the whole high post count = I better believe what this guy says BS.
I see it as they spend alot of time on here. |
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Unfortunately, for many of us, we and them are the same people (and it's always dangerous to assume more people mean more guns )... Thus, if we followed this advice, we'd have to fuck (sorry for the language, but the saying doesn't quite sound the same without the word) ourself, something that I've always placed relatively low on my list of things to do... Inter-board flame wars do none of us any good. Forrest |
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