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Always follow the money.
Anyone who says ANY type of photo enforcement isn't about revenue generation is a LYING SACK OF SHIT !!

Still don't like them.

ETA: I have a special hatred in my heart for those intersections that have the dual speeding/red light camera.
Go the speed limit through the intersection on that short yellow light - get a red light ticket.
Hit the gas to get through the intersection on that short yellow light, get a speeding ticket.

I don't know many police who like red light cameras or speed cameras.

So what? Having a cop with his citation book riding along with us would cut down on fatal crashes too, so, should we do that?

This.

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My city concluded the same thing.

Something like "two years ago we had three deaths at this intersection, last year we only had one.  Clearly red light cameras reduced fatalities by 67%".

Obviously their department spokesperson never had a statistics class.

solution :

All the blather that red light cameras save lives and to the self righteous idiots who like these evil devices, allow me to tell you my recent run in with a red light ticket.  My notice of running a red light came in the mail last September claiming that I had run a red light.  I look at the picture and sure enough it was my car but it was not me behind the wheel.  No problem you say - yeah right!  Through the web I informed the City of Los Angeles that I was going to fight said ticket and Los Angeles was kind enough to give me an invitation to visit them in court on the 10th of November (Semper Fi & oorah!!).  On the 10th of November I was fortunate enough to stand before a judge who enquired about my guilt or innocence.  I declared my innocence the judge lowered the gavel and requested that I go downstairs and post bail and set up a court date for trial.  Really!?!?! - an arraignment for a traffic infraction!?!?!?! Bail was set for $466 and a court date of 31 January was set - so much for a speedy trial.  So you can see that this topic is fresh in my mind - I spent a day in court yesterday.  At that time I finally met someone that who looked at the evidence - a LAPD motor officer - and agreed that the driver of my car the night in question was not me.  After six hours waiting for my turn before the judge my name is called - the aforementioned LAPD officer speaks up and states the City of Los Angeles is dropping the red light photo infraction.  I do not even say a word other than to thank the judge for his time.  Here's the best part of the whole deal - I WILL NOT SEE MY bail money for another SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS.  Yes the City of Los Angeles will have my money for five months or better. As you can see from the post above my Sixth Amendment Rights were violated in the amendment's totality - and we have ass clowns on this sight who swore an oath to the Constitution and thinks this is a-ok.

You may ask who was driving my car - it is no one that I know and as near as I can remember it was a valet.

The solution is simple for red light infractions and doesn't cost that much money - lengthen the yellow light duration.

Saint Louis city NETTED a cool 1 Million bucks their first year in service...

It's all about the money. Camera's at busy intersection flash constantly.

I couldn't have said it better.



 

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Bama:  Studies in Los Angeles determined that having a longer yellow light reduced accidents - not so much the red light cameras.  Another development that is greatly appreciated is the "countdown" portion of the signals being retrofitted.  A signal will tell you how many seconds to yellow, allowing traffic to gently slow down.

Well sheeeit! If we just limit all vehicles to 12.5 miles per hour, the death rate would surely be cut even more! If you're not on board with that, you hate children and want them to die. That slope, she's a slippery one..

Sorry that such crap was foisted on you in the name of "safety".  I'm on your side on this, but there's thousands of nanny state losers who will say your mistreatment in this manner is worth it because of a dead person they know or saw once because of a red light being run. They will close their eyes to the fraud and hold on to the bogus "safety' claims, nothing will change their simple minds.  I don't have enough spit in my entire body to spew at those types.





 

Your post was a tad ambiguous, just where do you stand on red light cameras?





 

The cynic in me would ask if that might be due to the lack of "professional courtesy" they offer...





Just kidding



 

The fact that they manipulate the length of the yellow light and take them down when they don't "generate" enough revenue tells you everything you need to know about whether they are for your "safety" or not.





They are BS!

^This^  I just made a $139 donation to the city of New Orleans, because of a Green............ Yellow..Red light at an intersection I drive through on an almost daily basis.  I also had a nice little meeting with my Capt. since I was in a sheriff's office car.

I despise any form of 'big brother' government intrusion.

YEP

Is this the study that looked at accidents at other intersections as well? That is reductions in fatalities at intersections without redlight cameras, were attributed to the redlight cameras.

Well, red light cameras are illegal here. Guess what? Fatals are down almost 50%.

Maybe they needed a better comparison.

My dad got one of those speeding fines by camera going through New Mexico a couple of years ago.  He just threw it in the trash.  

All that ever happened was they referred it to a collections agency who started calling him on his land line.  And his response to that was to just cancel his phone service since he has a cell phone anyways.

He has a certain amount of crusty curmudgeonyness that I can only try to aspire to.

 

I read the numbers at intersections here in Ga. they increased rear end collisions and reduced side collisions , The total number of accidents stayed the same but the type changed . of course revenue went up slightly , the real goal here , then revenue went down when the state required longer yellow light time on places with cameras

What a steaming pile of shit that study is.  Worthless, and waste of cash for whoever sponsored it (probably us taxpayers!)

yeah red light cameras with short yellows are bad ones with normal yellow lights are fine.



just like DUI if you do it 200 times safely on your 201st you might kill a family of 5.



 

I call BS



Since the price of gas went up, people drive less! Driving less reduces the

risk of accidents.

You might have something there.  I always drive around the two in my area.  It does't add any distance to my route and I don't find myself getting caught in the middle of a yellow having to decide to floor it or slam on the brakes.

I just think it is unsporting.
My personal feelings on traffic enforcement is that if the ref doesn't call a foul, then it didn't happen.

We have had them here for two years with no change in red light running accidents. The people who blatently run red lights are distracted drivers either on the cell phone or doing something besides paying attention, red light cameras can't cure that.

What they did find is they made an A$$ load of money off rolling right turns on red and very few people people just barely missing the yellow and who would have cleared intersection before the lights turned green for opposing traffic ( niether offense a safety issue ) . They receantly  had a red light camera dog & pony show for the press and had lots of blatent red light running T-Bone accidents the cameras obviously didn't prevent to help sell thier Money making scheme..

The citizens of College Station successfully rose up against the red light cameras and the city took them down.



It sure cut down on all the skid marks leading up to the intersections from the 19 year-old girls who were conditioned to slam on the brakes at the sight of a yellow light...

We had an intersection in our precinct that was notorious for people running the light really bad. It was always the number one corner for accidents as well. They put a camera in over 5 years ago and it is still the number one corner for accidents. It can't even imagine how much money that camera makes the city. During the morning rush hours it goes off almost every change of the light. It's not hard to spot the red light cameras in NYC either, they're huge. Everyone knows they're there but they just don't pay attention.

Hey, another study showing poor methods on the red light analysis.

 

A camera, in the corner, behind the offendant won't automagically prevent accidents

I would be willing to bet that fatal crashes were lessened but the overall number of crashes increased especially rear endings, which more often than not are not fatal.

Same thing in Houston.

Good riddance.