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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:19:52 AM EDT
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I don't think I was on this site for 2 weeks when someone posted something from Claire Wolfe about how eventually they would make outlaws of us all. I thought, "Well that's just a bit over the top".
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:26:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. What the fuck is wrong with you? This better be sarcasm. You know goddamn well that these 'investigations' will immediately overwhelm the system, and the 90% of people that get denials that are wrong, will be locked up in legal battles that will take YEARS to resolve. And when you are under criminal investigations, that shit can affect your ability to travel, get loans, get a job, etc. Don't be complicit in sucking the governments cock that "if you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" If you are so blissfully ignorant of the two-sided justice system we now have that visciously punishes those who disagree with the Left, even in the slightest...and frees (or even rewards) minions of the Left, regardless of crime; I can only chalk it up to your eyes being full of Uncle Joe's pubes. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:28:19 AM EDT
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I keep being told that even the rino republican candidates are better than the democrats. This again shows they are not.
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:30:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I keep being told that even the rino republican candidates are better than the democrats. This again shows they are not. They’re worse actually. They are back stabbers and deserve to be hung too. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:34:12 AM EDT
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Neither side cares for gun owners……… we are a vote to be exploited then ignored……..
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:40:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. Investigations are not done to clear the innocent. So while you are ‘under investigation’, do you get your guns seized? Is any license or clearance suspended? Are you ‘detained’ for questioning? Do you now have a criminal record showing that you were suspected of committing a felony but not charged? Right, wrong, or indifferent, guess what… failing a NICS check because of an error by the government means you get a big ‘investigated for commission of a felony’ slapped on you. Think about that for a while. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:42:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://nationalfile.com/spending-bill-includes-gun-control-passages-can-lead-mass-criminal-investigations-potential-gun-buyers/ Spending Bill Includes Gun Control Passages That Can Lead To Mass Criminal Investigations of Potential Gun Buyers March 11, 2022 at 4:11pm Second Amendment supporters are scrambling to stop the gun control passages buried in the text of the latest Washington “omnibus” spending bill, which passed the U.S. House of Representatives and then sadly passed the U.S. Senate to advance to the desk of Joe Biden’s White House handlers. A major pro-Second Amendment advocacy group is leading the charge to highlight the buried gun control passages in the more than $1.5 trillion bill. The bill reportedly finances the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to facilitate a big Democrat cause: using local law enforcement to enforce the gun-grabbing laws of the federal government and to criminally investigate people who fail ridiculous background checks. Check out the section on how the background-checks system is going to be used to target potential gun buyers if the bill passes. Look at section ‘‘§ 925B. Reporting of background check denials to State authorities…” Gun Owners of America (GOA) stated (before the Democrat-controlled Senate passed the bill on Thursday evening): “Yesterday under the cover of darkness, Congressional Democrats released a 2,741 page government funding bill at 1:30 AM. GOA rushed to analyze the bill, found the gun control buried on pages 2207-2213, and alerted our grassroots activists to take action. Despite our best efforts, the gun control passed 260-171 with the support of 39 Republicans later that same day at 10PM. Government funding will likely be extended until March 15th, so we have five days maximum to defeat this gun control in the Senate.” GOA explained: “This year’s government appropriations bill includes two major gun control restrictions. Sections 1101-1102 of the bill are known as the NICS Denial Notification Act to make the existing background check system even WORSE. As you well know, the current NICS background check system is broken beyond belief. Nine out of ten times, when someone is denied a gun purchase by the NICS system, it’s a law-abiding citizen who was wrongly denied their right to purchase a firearm. Because the vast majority of NICS denials each year are false positives, the government gets less than a few dozen convictions of prohibited persons stupid enough to try to buy a gun at a gun store. Even so, Congress seems intent on passing the NICS Denial Notification Act which instructs ATF to help local law enforcement launch CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS into each NICS denial—including all false-positive denials. So, if this passes, you better hope the NICS system doesn’t falsely deny you your next gun purchase! Additionally, the government spending bill’s Section 1103 also contains funding for ATF to begin deputizing local law enforcement officers to enforce federal gun control laws. ATF can also appoint local government attorneys to help prosecute the enforcement of this gun control as well. This runs in direct contradiction to the Second Amendment Sanctuary laws that GOA has been pushing around the country at the state and local level. States like Missouri and Idaho have passed the STRONGEST Second Amendment Protection laws which prohibit funding for gun control and/or include criminal or civil penalties for government agents and/or agencies that enforce unconstitutional gun control. More than a dozen other states have similar statutes. And yet, Congress is facilitating the enforcement of federal gun laws with local ATF deputies!” (Gun Owners of America passage ends) GOA also pointed out the 39 traitorous or confused Republican congressmen who voted to pass the spending bill, which will push the gun control cause forward. The congressmen include: Kinzinger of Illinois, Diaz-Balart of Florida, Cole of Oklahoma, Amodei of Nevada, Bice of Oklahoma, Brady of Texas, Calvert of California, Carl of Alabama, Carter of Texas, Herrera Beutler of Washington, Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Fleischmann of Tennessee, Garcia of California, Gimenez of Florida, Gonzales of Texas, Hinson of Iowa, Gonzalez of Ohio, Katko of New York, Granger of Texas, Joyce of Ohio, Kim of California, Simpson of Idaho, Meijer of Michigan, Malliotakis of New York, McCaul of Texas, Miller-Meeks of Iowa, Newhouse of Washington, Reed of New York, Reschenthaler of Pennsylvania, Rogers of Kentucky, Rutherford of Florida, Salazar of Florida, Sessions of Texas, Valadao of California, Steel of California, Turner of Ohio, Upton of Michigan, Young of Alaska, Womack of Arkansas. If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. Either you’ve paid your debt to society or you haven’t. Which is it? |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:42:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: be sure to tip your fedora after that. https://i.ibb.co/94hf57F/Another-Revolving-Fieldspaniel-max-1mb.gif So you're the one on the left, correct? 
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those bastards didn't read the bill, they only checked to see if THEIR pork was in there. This is how Washington REALLY works you know. Da tooth |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:46:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://nationalfile.com/spending-bill-includes-gun-control-passages-can-lead-mass-criminal-investigations-potential-gun-buyers/ Spending Bill Includes Gun Control Passages That Can Lead To Mass Criminal Investigations of Potential Gun Buyers March 11, 2022 at 4:11pm Second Amendment supporters are scrambling to stop the gun control passages buried in the text of the latest Washington "omnibus" spending bill, which passed the U.S. House of Representatives and then sadly passed the U.S. Senate to advance to the desk of Joe Biden's White House handlers. A major pro-Second Amendment advocacy group is leading the charge to highlight the buried gun control passages in the more than $1.5 trillion bill. The bill reportedly finances the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to facilitate a big Democrat cause: using local law enforcement to enforce the gun-grabbing laws of the federal government and to criminally investigate people who fail ridiculous background checks. Check out the section on how the background-checks system is going to be used to target potential gun buyers if the bill passes. Look at section '' 925B. Reporting of background check denials to State authorities" Gun Owners of America (GOA) stated (before the Democrat-controlled Senate passed the bill on Thursday evening): "Yesterday under the cover of darkness, Congressional Democrats released a 2,741 page government funding bill at 1:30 AM. GOA rushed to analyze the bill, found the gun control buried on pages 2207-2213, and alerted our grassroots activists to take action. Despite our best efforts, the gun control passed 260-171 with the support of 39 Republicans later that same day at 10PM. Government funding will likely be extended until March 15th, so we have five days maximum to defeat this gun control in the Senate." GOA explained: "This year's government appropriations bill includes two major gun control restrictions. Sections 1101-1102 of the bill are known as the NICS Denial Notification Act to make the existing background check system even WORSE. As you well know, the current NICS background check system is broken beyond belief. Nine out of ten times, when someone is denied a gun purchase by the NICS system, it's a law-abiding citizen who was wrongly denied their right to purchase a firearm. Because the vast majority of NICS denials each year are false positives, the government gets less than a few dozen convictions of prohibited persons stupid enough to try to buy a gun at a gun store. Even so, Congress seems intent on passing the NICS Denial Notification Act which instructs ATF to help local law enforcement launch CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS into each NICS denialincluding all false-positive denials. So, if this passes, you better hope the NICS system doesn't falsely deny you your next gun purchase! Additionally, the government spending bill's Section 1103 also contains funding for ATF to begin deputizing local law enforcement officers to enforce federal gun control laws. ATF can also appoint local government attorneys to help prosecute the enforcement of this gun control as well. This runs in direct contradiction to the Second Amendment Sanctuary laws that GOA has been pushing around the country at the state and local level. States like Missouri and Idaho have passed the STRONGEST Second Amendment Protection laws which prohibit funding for gun control and/or include criminal or civil penalties for government agents and/or agencies that enforce unconstitutional gun control. More than a dozen other states have similar statutes. And yet, Congress is facilitating the enforcement of federal gun laws with local ATF deputies!" (Gun Owners of America passage ends) GOA also pointed out the 39 traitorous or confused Republican congressmen who voted to pass the spending bill, which will push the gun control cause forward. The congressmen include: Kinzinger of Illinois, Diaz-Balart of Florida, Cole of Oklahoma, Amodei of Nevada, Bice of Oklahoma, Brady of Texas, Calvert of California, Carl of Alabama, Carter of Texas, Herrera Beutler of Washington, Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Fleischmann of Tennessee, Garcia of California, Gimenez of Florida, Gonzales of Texas, Hinson of Iowa, Gonzalez of Ohio, Katko of New York, Granger of Texas, Joyce of Ohio, Kim of California, Simpson of Idaho, Meijer of Michigan, Malliotakis of New York, McCaul of Texas, Miller-Meeks of Iowa, Newhouse of Washington, Reed of New York, Reschenthaler of Pennsylvania, Rogers of Kentucky, Rutherford of Florida, Salazar of Florida, Sessions of Texas, Valadao of California, Steel of California, Turner of Ohio, Upton of Michigan, Young of Alaska, Womack of Arkansas. If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. You understand how this will really be used right? It ain't to go after the criminals. Hint: They won't even put away most of the felons in possession they apprehend today. You'll get more time for trespassing at the Capitol. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:48:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://nationalfile.com/spending-bill-includes-gun-control-passages-can-lead-mass-criminal-investigations-potential-gun-buyers/ Spending Bill Includes Gun Control Passages That Can Lead To Mass Criminal Investigations of Potential Gun Buyers March 11, 2022 at 4:11pm Second Amendment supporters are scrambling to stop the gun control passages buried in the text of the latest Washington “omnibus” spending bill, which passed the U.S. House of Representatives and then sadly passed the U.S. Senate to advance to the desk of Joe Biden’s White House handlers. A major pro-Second Amendment advocacy group is leading the charge to highlight the buried gun control passages in the more than $1.5 trillion bill. The bill reportedly finances the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to facilitate a big Democrat cause: using local law enforcement to enforce the gun-grabbing laws of the federal government and to criminally investigate people who fail ridiculous background checks. Check out the section on how the background-checks system is going to be used to target potential gun buyers if the bill passes. Look at section ‘‘§ 925B. Reporting of background check denials to State authorities…” Gun Owners of America (GOA) stated (before the Democrat-controlled Senate passed the bill on Thursday evening): “Yesterday under the cover of darkness, Congressional Democrats released a 2,741 page government funding bill at 1:30 AM. GOA rushed to analyze the bill, found the gun control buried on pages 2207-2213, and alerted our grassroots activists to take action. Despite our best efforts, the gun control passed 260-171 with the support of 39 Republicans later that same day at 10PM. Government funding will likely be extended until March 15th, so we have five days maximum to defeat this gun control in the Senate.” GOA explained: “This year’s government appropriations bill includes two major gun control restrictions. Sections 1101-1102 of the bill are known as the NICS Denial Notification Act to make the existing background check system even WORSE. As you well know, the current NICS background check system is broken beyond belief. Nine out of ten times, when someone is denied a gun purchase by the NICS system, it’s a law-abiding citizen who was wrongly denied their right to purchase a firearm. Because the vast majority of NICS denials each year are false positives, the government gets less than a few dozen convictions of prohibited persons stupid enough to try to buy a gun at a gun store. Even so, Congress seems intent on passing the NICS Denial Notification Act which instructs ATF to help local law enforcement launch CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS into each NICS denial—including all false-positive denials. So, if this passes, you better hope the NICS system doesn’t falsely deny you your next gun purchase! Additionally, the government spending bill’s Section 1103 also contains funding for ATF to begin deputizing local law enforcement officers to enforce federal gun control laws. ATF can also appoint local government attorneys to help prosecute the enforcement of this gun control as well. This runs in direct contradiction to the Second Amendment Sanctuary laws that GOA has been pushing around the country at the state and local level. States like Missouri and Idaho have passed the STRONGEST Second Amendment Protection laws which prohibit funding for gun control and/or include criminal or civil penalties for government agents and/or agencies that enforce unconstitutional gun control. More than a dozen other states have similar statutes. And yet, Congress is facilitating the enforcement of federal gun laws with local ATF deputies!” (Gun Owners of America passage ends) GOA also pointed out the 39 traitorous or confused Republican congressmen who voted to pass the spending bill, which will push the gun control cause forward. The congressmen include: Kinzinger of Illinois, Diaz-Balart of Florida, Cole of Oklahoma, Amodei of Nevada, Bice of Oklahoma, Brady of Texas, Calvert of California, Carl of Alabama, Carter of Texas, Herrera Beutler of Washington, Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Fleischmann of Tennessee, Garcia of California, Gimenez of Florida, Gonzales of Texas, Hinson of Iowa, Gonzalez of Ohio, Katko of New York, Granger of Texas, Joyce of Ohio, Kim of California, Simpson of Idaho, Meijer of Michigan, Malliotakis of New York, McCaul of Texas, Miller-Meeks of Iowa, Newhouse of Washington, Reed of New York, Reschenthaler of Pennsylvania, Rogers of Kentucky, Rutherford of Florida, Salazar of Florida, Sessions of Texas, Valadao of California, Steel of California, Turner of Ohio, Upton of Michigan, Young of Alaska, Womack of Arkansas. If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. You sound dangerous. Maybe you need to be investigated?  The 1 out of 10 shouldn't have to do fuck-all to clear their name. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:49:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're ok with the federal government investigating you for no valid reason, since you'll surely be cleared? I guess the 4th amendment means nothing to you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. So you're ok with the federal government investigating you for no valid reason, since you'll surely be cleared? I guess the 4th amendment means nothing to you. It's actually more nefarious than that. The gov't "screwed up" and will use that as the justification for "them" to investigate "you". |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:55:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no voting our way out of this mess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Vote R! There is no voting our way out of this mess. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 9:07:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wait, the usual lemmings will be along to tell you how wrong you are and that we just need to vote in some principled conservatives. Fuck the GOP, no better than the commie dems. Worse in many ways considering they are so good at sticking a knife in the back of those that vote for them. NEVER AGAIN. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Vote R! There is no voting our way out of this mess. Every vote yields the same result. There is no actual choice. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 9:29:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wait, the usual lemmings will be along to tell you how wrong you are and that we just need to vote in some principled conservatives. Fuck the GOP, no better than the commie dems. Worse in many ways considering they are so good at sticking a knife in the back of those that vote for them. NEVER AGAIN. falls on deaf ears (for the majority) there is no voting our way back to a Constitutional Republic if they insist on sticking to the D vs R way of doing things. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 9:36:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://nationalfile.com/spending-bill-includes-gun-control-passages-can-lead-mass-criminal-investigations-potential-gun-buyers/ Spending Bill Includes Gun Control Passages That Can Lead To Mass Criminal Investigations of Potential Gun Buyers March 11, 2022 at 4:11pm Second Amendment supporters are scrambling to stop the gun control passages buried in the text of the latest Washington “omnibus” spending bill, which passed the U.S. House of Representatives and then sadly passed the U.S. Senate to advance to the desk of Joe Biden’s White House handlers. A major pro-Second Amendment advocacy group is leading the charge to highlight the buried gun control passages in the more than $1.5 trillion bill. The bill reportedly finances the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to facilitate a big Democrat cause: using local law enforcement to enforce the gun-grabbing laws of the federal government and to criminally investigate people who fail ridiculous background checks. Check out the section on how the background-checks system is going to be used to target potential gun buyers if the bill passes. Look at section ‘‘§ 925B. Reporting of background check denials to State authorities…” Gun Owners of America (GOA) stated (before the Democrat-controlled Senate passed the bill on Thursday evening): “Yesterday under the cover of darkness, Congressional Democrats released a 2,741 page government funding bill at 1:30 AM. GOA rushed to analyze the bill, found the gun control buried on pages 2207-2213, and alerted our grassroots activists to take action. Despite our best efforts, the gun control passed 260-171 with the support of 39 Republicans later that same day at 10PM. Government funding will likely be extended until March 15th, so we have five days maximum to defeat this gun control in the Senate.” GOA explained: “This year’s government appropriations bill includes two major gun control restrictions. Sections 1101-1102 of the bill are known as the NICS Denial Notification Act to make the existing background check system even WORSE. As you well know, the current NICS background check system is broken beyond belief. Nine out of ten times, when someone is denied a gun purchase by the NICS system, it’s a law-abiding citizen who was wrongly denied their right to purchase a firearm. Because the vast majority of NICS denials each year are false positives, the government gets less than a few dozen convictions of prohibited persons stupid enough to try to buy a gun at a gun store. Even so, Congress seems intent on passing the NICS Denial Notification Act which instructs ATF to help local law enforcement launch CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS into each NICS denial—including all false-positive denials. So, if this passes, you better hope the NICS system doesn’t falsely deny you your next gun purchase! Additionally, the government spending bill’s Section 1103 also contains funding for ATF to begin deputizing local law enforcement officers to enforce federal gun control laws. ATF can also appoint local government attorneys to help prosecute the enforcement of this gun control as well. This runs in direct contradiction to the Second Amendment Sanctuary laws that GOA has been pushing around the country at the state and local level. States like Missouri and Idaho have passed the STRONGEST Second Amendment Protection laws which prohibit funding for gun control and/or include criminal or civil penalties for government agents and/or agencies that enforce unconstitutional gun control. More than a dozen other states have similar statutes. And yet, Congress is facilitating the enforcement of federal gun laws with local ATF deputies!” (Gun Owners of America passage ends) GOA also pointed out the 39 traitorous or confused Republican congressmen who voted to pass the spending bill, which will push the gun control cause forward. The congressmen include: Kinzinger of Illinois, Diaz-Balart of Florida, Cole of Oklahoma, Amodei of Nevada, Bice of Oklahoma, Brady of Texas, Calvert of California, Carl of Alabama, Carter of Texas, Herrera Beutler of Washington, Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Fleischmann of Tennessee, Garcia of California, Gimenez of Florida, Gonzales of Texas, Hinson of Iowa, Gonzalez of Ohio, Katko of New York, Granger of Texas, Joyce of Ohio, Kim of California, Simpson of Idaho, Meijer of Michigan, Malliotakis of New York, McCaul of Texas, Miller-Meeks of Iowa, Newhouse of Washington, Reed of New York, Reschenthaler of Pennsylvania, Rogers of Kentucky, Rutherford of Florida, Salazar of Florida, Sessions of Texas, Valadao of California, Steel of California, Turner of Ohio, Upton of Michigan, Young of Alaska, Womack of Arkansas. If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. You should run for Congress! You’d fit in well there with the clueless Congressmen who don’t understand or support the constitution. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 9:43:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. you're not old fashioned you're confused at best, perhaps ignorant, or perhaps you willfully want to deny god given rights. of 1000 investigated, 999 will be innocent, of those 999 innocent 500 will be cleared and 499 will have their rights taken away for no valid reason. actually lets just skip the semantics, put everyone in jail because 1 guy whos guilty might get off in the legal process. can't have that, gotta lock em up even if it means innocent men lose their freedom forever. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 9:44:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/12/2022 9:46:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surprised none of our RINOs here are on it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: i can't believe none of the ball-lickers from my shithole state are on that list. I'm surprised none of our RINOs here are on it. They weren’t in the rotation this go around. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 9:46:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Vote R! There is no voting our way out of this mess. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hes_right_you_know-328.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 9:47:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some Local LE will not investigate gun purchase denials. I sure as hell wont. FIFY Ayup. I’d wager 94% of them will. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 10:33:06 AM EDT
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The gun control portion is part of a larger spending bill that was perceived as needed ASAP. It's a common tactic of the ruling party so not surprised that there were a ton of Republican yes votes. 2A supporters need to stop talking out of both sides of their mouths. First objection was that people failing background checks were never investigated and felons were not prosecuted. They firm up enforcement and we start bitching because they did what we wanted them to do.
Be careful what you bitch about - you just might get it. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 10:38:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 39 Republicans later  Fuckers. "muh side" Exactly why I trust neither "party" as they're just one "party" and like a coin, has two sides: obverse and reverse. You get ph*cked voting for either. Almost any career politician cannot be trusted. Everyone has been compromised, bought and paid for. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 10:45:30 AM EDT
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Not a surprise.
You can pretty much presume that 99.99% of Democrat sponsored legislation will have gun control buried in it somewhere. Republican sponsored stuff probably "only" runs 50-50.
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Posted: 3/12/2022 10:46:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neither side cares for gun owners we are a vote to be exploited then ignored.. Well, I wish it was simply ignored but your premise isn't all that wrong. Nowadays they seem more focused on finding ways to fuck with us in particular with the NRA being wounded and well, a shit organization. Hell, I'm more surprised when anti gun legislation and regulations aren't sponsored in some way by the NRA or industry partners. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 10:46:20 AM EDT
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Upton and Meijer, why am I not surprised. Senator Fred Upton a classic text-book case on how a man starting out with good intentions goes bad. He used to attend townhall meetings but the cretin won't even do that anymore.
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Posted: 3/12/2022 10:51:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. Call me even older fashioned in that I want real criminals being investigated, arrested, and punished. Not police that my tax dollars are paying for fucking around on the computer looking for crime of law abiding citizens. Degrees of statism yes? But I’ve always like mine better than yours. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 10:58:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i can't believe none of the ball-lickers from my shithole state are on that list. bunch of communist cunts. I heard that spoken in “Iron bound section of Newark NJ 1988” |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:01:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Upton and Meijer, why am I not surprised. Senator Fred Upton a classic text-book case on how a man starting out with good intentions goes bad. He used to attend townhall meetings but the cretin won't even do that anymore. Was just about to post exactly that. With those two it wasn’t an accident. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:15:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Local LE will not investigate gun purchase denials. I sure as hell wont. I agree. I doubt too many local LE departments are going to put much, if any, effort into this since all are suffering from manpower and funding shortages. It will depend on who was doing the purchasing, if it's a felon or known felon/criminal then this would give them some cause to go at them but I doubt too many departments are going to prioritize this. I guess we will see. Also it depends on the relationship with the local ATF office. While it sounds like this bill will allow or fund local LE to do these investigations, I doubt it requires them to. Years ago I was at a local gun dealer when a guy (with his family with him) was denied. The shop manager told the guy he was denied due to a warrant out for him, I believe it was non payment of child support is what he was told. I can't imagine the shock that must have caused. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:22:08 AM EDT
[#31]
FBI NICS denial appeals are running months behind. How about some $ to clear that backlog instead?
https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics/national-instant-criminal-background-check-system-nics-appeals-vaf Quote HistoryThe VAF process can take several months. You may also apply for the VAF at the same time you submit a firearm-related challenge. The FBI is currently processing Voluntary Appeal File (VAF) cases received in July 2021. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:22:27 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. I hope you get to experience the joy of being on the wrong end of a criminal investigation because you dared to do something legal and now have to prove your innocence to an adversarial investigator who thinks no one needs guns. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:26:05 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Roy Blunt of Missouri has decided not to run again, and is clearly in full RINO mode. You mean full sell his vote for $$$+... |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:28:02 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. Can we put you as the first of the 9? You can let us know how much it costs to defend yourself... if you're not living on the street without interweb access of course. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:28:08 AM EDT
[#35]
What bullshit. Our government is supposed to be protecting our rights as one of it's primary functions and instead it is driving it's citizens apart in as many ways as possible. If one of the 9 out of 10, you are now permanently marked going forward, even if cleared, and completely subject to the political whims of a local jurisdiction. Much of our .gov simply needs to be replaced or eliminated, pursuant to the solutions codified by our Founders.
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:28:57 AM EDT
[#36]
We need to weed out the fake republicans. They’re everywhere.
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:32:18 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. If they are safe enough to be out among us, they are safe enough to own guns. If they can't be trusted to own a gun, they shouldn't be let out of prison. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:34:07 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We need to weed out the fake republicans. They're everywhere. We have plenty of members right here that are exactly the same.
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:35:34 AM EDT
[#39]
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:40:14 AM EDT
[#40]
I've been screaming til I'm blue in the face that we need to abandon the "Well, I agree, we should absolutely keep the guns out of the hands of the criminals!" mentality.
I think most arfcommers have come around to the reality that the 1968 GCA and the very premise of "just keeping it out of the hands of the criminals" was a deadly mistake whose sole purpose was to slowly erode the rights of the law abiding citizen. I'm not sure most gun owners have realized it yet, tho. You still meet alot of middle class, staunch NRA types who parrot that shit. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:41:11 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you're ok with the federal government investigating you for no valid reason, since you'll surely be cleared? I guess the 4th amendment means nothing to you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. So you're ok with the federal government investigating you for no valid reason, since you'll surely be cleared? I guess the 4th amendment means nothing to you. It certainly doesn't mean anything to the government or the courts. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:41:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The gun control portion is part of a larger spending bill that was perceived as needed ASAP. It's a common tactic of the ruling party so not surprised that there were a ton of Republican yes votes. 2A supporters need to stop talking out of both sides of their mouths. First objection was that people failing background checks were never investigated and felons were not prosecuted. They firm up enforcement and we start bitching because they did what we wanted them to do. Be careful what you bitch about - you just might get it. Hmmm... you support this bill? |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:43:42 AM EDT
[#43]
I got to sit in with a local rep a year ago and he helped explain how these bills work.
Awhile back the veteran bill was in the table, it was the one for restoring rights after a veteran received something other than honorable. The rep voted for it and he was contacted by 2 vets who work for a vet advocacy group. The rep explained he had made a call to another law maker asking him about the issue and was told it was a good bill and to vote for it. The other lawmaker was not a veteran of the dod so the local veterans asked the Rep to ask them about veteran issues, not some other lawmaker. Our local rep said he will be reaching out to these 2 veterans when it comes time to vote for a bill that concerns vets and apologized for seeking info from the wrong person. So now, we have 2 Texas Vets that can sway the rep to vote how they want. Right or wrong, this is how thing gets done. I have no idea why the law makers voted this way but if you don’t like it, get involved. Start with the assistant that works for the lawmaker. They are the ones that make it happen. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:46:51 AM EDT
[#44]
One of the good points about the Confederate Constitution was a provision that bills could only be on one subject only. No Omnibus bills, no unrelated riders or amendments, just a single topic per bill.
We should have had that from the beginning. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:47:15 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Years ago I was at a local gun dealer when a guy (with his family with him) was denied. The shop manager told the guy he was denied due to a warrant out for him, I believe it was non payment of child support is what he was told. I can't imagine the shock that must have caused. Thirty years as an FFL, I've only had two people declined and, and on one of those the NICS people called the next day and reversed themselves. NICS won't tell me why someone is delayed or declined, so I find it hard to believe that your shop manager was given a reason |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:49:08 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can we put you as the first of the 9? You can let us know how much it costs to defend yourself... if you're not living on the street without interweb access of course. What's a guy living on the street doing buying a gun. That's a bad example to use |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:53:23 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: *you're Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol, your retarded, like the government needs anymore money or authority. They did a bust operation in Philly or Baltimore area years ago. They arrested so many babies mommas they overwhelmed child services and the screams of RACIST could be heard from space. It will be used on law abiding whitey as always. *you're Willkommen Geselle grammatik nazi!  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:54:05 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's the adult equivalent of writing a letter to Santa. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Voting, an interesting concept. It's the adult equivalent of writing a letter to Santa. Quoteworthy. 
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Posted: 3/12/2022 12:21:35 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If a convicted felon has attempted to buy a firearm they should be investigated. If the are guilty they should be prosecuted. If you are one of the "9 out of 10" that was wrongfully targeted you should be cleared in the course of that investigation. I don't want criminals buying firearms legally. Call me old fashioned. Old fashioned isn't what I want to call you. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 12:21:58 PM EDT
[#50]
It's never made sense to me that just attempting to buy a firearm means you've broken a law.
Be a felon. Walk in to gun store and have FFL run background check because you want a Glock 69 Get denied. Never actually receive the firearm. Get sent to prison. The NICS system worked, so where's the violation? Who is the victim? |
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