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Posted: 6/26/2012 9:43:47 PM EDT

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What state is the OP in?

Posted: 6/26/2012 9:46:40 PM EDT

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I can't wait for the forty-nine other states bail us Californians out of our fiscal crisis.

Nice.

Truth hurts don't it. Oh well enough of us will leave this state to infect other states with our Big City Thinking.

It's about time the rest of them lazy fucks give us back some of what we've been giving you for years. Like Tennessee and Alabama and a shit load of other states could have afforded half of an interstate without Commiefornian dollars. It might be fun to close our eastern borders and see how fast all of your Walmarts and Harbor Freights dry up.

Posted: 6/26/2012 9:47:22 PM EDT

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Signed an anti bill petition today and will be writing to him tomorrow. Is it worth it? Probably not even a little bit. Am I trying to make the little impact I can? You better fucking believe it. This bill is incredibly fucking outrageous and Senator Yee does not have a clue what he is talking about.

Posted: 6/26/2012 9:48:22 PM EDT

[#4]

Guys, PLEASE HELP us. Don't ignore us.

My folks have been in California since late '63 THAT's 1863. All of my family but 1 Aunt is conservitive. This is HOME to us. This is MY LAND! stop telling us to turn and run. If you can support Calguns fight please do.

Posted: 6/26/2012 9:48:57 PM EDT

[#5]

it's funny how the loudest shit talkers are ones with no dog in the fight... I'd say it's pretty much trolling and should be bannable.

Posted: 6/26/2012 9:50:41 PM EDT

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Guys, PLEASE HELP us. Don't ignore us.

My folks have been in California since late '63 THAT's 1863. All of my family but 1 Aunt is conservitive. This is HOME to us. This is MY LAND! stop telling us to turn and run. If you can support Calguns fight please do.

I understand your point, I know a few people from northern CA that are stuck with the same laws as southern CA.

But isn't calguns a big part of the problem?

Posted: 6/26/2012 9:53:40 PM EDT

[#7]

This passes, I leave. I will not be made an overnight criminal nor will I surrender/destroy items that have cost me a lot of money, time and effort.

Take my guns, my trucks, my vote and most importantly to them, my tax dollars and split. I will join the two million plus who have left in the last couple of years.

Don't fret, wherever I land, I will continue to be the gun owning, meat eating, beer drinking, 4x4 driving, libertarian/conservative mentality having old self. None of that "this isn't how we do it in California" bullshit outta me.

Just need a moderate climate, places to camp, shoot and offroad and I need to be within about 30 minutes of wealthy people (what I do for a living is something rich people buy). Fishing and a neighborhood tolerant of gearheads with shop space a plus...

The analogy about California being like a hot chick with AIDS is spot on BTW.

Posted: 6/26/2012 9:54:08 PM EDT

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I can't wait for the forty-nine other states bail us Californians out of our fiscal crisis.

Nice.

Truth hurts don't it. Oh well enough of us will leave this state to infect other states with our Big City Thinking.

We're full

Posted: 6/26/2012 9:55:14 PM EDT

[#9]

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Guys, PLEASE HELP us. Don't ignore us.

My folks have been in California since late '63 THAT's 1863. All of my family but 1 Aunt is conservitive. This is HOME to us. This is MY LAND! stop telling us to turn and run. If you can support Calguns fight please do.

I understand your point, I know a few people from northern CA that are stuck with the same laws as southern CA.

But isn't calguns a big part of the problem?

Between helping Yee write a "better" bill, stopping the NRA and other gun rights orgs from filing suits in the state and spending money donated to fight for gun rights on pet projects with no relation to gun rights, it sure seems like it.

And don't blame this shit on SoCal, Yee is a Northern Cal/San Fran lib, Blame it on the coastal regions, without them the rest of Cali would be fine.

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:02:46 PM EDT

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This passes, I leave. I will not be made an overnight criminal nor will I surrender/destroy items that have cost me a lot of money, time and effort.

Take my guns, my trucks, my vote and most importantly to them, my tax dollars and split. I will join the two million plus who have left in the last couple of years.

Don't fret, wherever I land, I will continue to be the gun owning, meat eating, beer drinking, 4x4 driving, libertarian/conservative mentality having old self. None of that "this isn't how we do it in California" bullshit outta me.

Just need a moderate climate, places to camp, shoot and offroad and I need to be within about 30 minutes of wealthy people (what I do for a living is something rich people buy). Fishing and a neighborhood tolerant of gearheads with shop space a plus...

The analogy about California being like a hot chick with AIDS is spot on BTW.

I could have posted the exact same thing, down to every last detail.

But I have a grandmother here that I take care of and that means the world to me. I won't abandon her.

I'm in for the ride, wherever it takes me.

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:06:53 PM EDT

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I can't wait for the forty-nine other states bail us Californians out of our fiscal crisis.

Nice.

Truth hurts don't it. Oh well enough of us will leave this state to infect other states with our Big City Thinking.

We're full

Who's gonna be at Frontier Days this year?

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:09:29 PM EDT

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And don't blame this shit on SoCal, Yee is a Northern Cal/San Fran lib, Blame it on the coastal regions, without them the rest of Cali would be fine.

don't get all snippy with me mister.

Really just trying to learn how fucked up it is and why. I had a crew here from northern CA a month or so ago and we talked guns a lot. I even let them fondle my .50 and 30rd mags.

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:10:14 PM EDT

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I could have posted the exact same thing, down to every last detail.
But I have a grandmother here that I take care of and that means the world to me. I won't abandon her.
I'm in for the ride, wherever it takes me.

I understand that completely, and I feel for you.

If Texas ever went raging retard liberal California style...I'd have a damn hard time leaving this place.

Its a hard situation.

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:10:58 PM EDT

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And don't blame this shit on SoCal, Yee is a Northern Cal/San Fran lib, Blame it on the coastal regions, without them the rest of Cali would be fine.

don't get all snippy with me mister.

Really just trying to learn how fucked up it is and why. I had a crew here from northern CA a month or so ago and we talked guns a lot. I even let them fondle my .50 and 30rd mags.

Plenty of that stuff out here too. Plenty of people that ignore the bullshit laws and this one will be no different, should it pass.

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:27:22 PM EDT

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I can't wait for the forty-nine other states bail us Californians out of our fiscal crisis.

Nice.

Truth hurts don't it. Oh well enough of us will leave this state to infect other states with our Big City Thinking.

It's about time the rest of them lazy fucks give us back some of what we've been giving you for years. Like Tennessee and Alabama and a shit load of other states could have afforded half of an interstate without Commiefornian dollars. It might be fun to close our eastern borders and see how fast all of your Walmarts and Harbor Freights dry up.

I see that attitude a lot. Its endemic of the fucking rot emanating from your state. Its the drunken gambling addict who claims his wage earning as the basis for his episodes of beating the wife and kids. Its the addle brained psychopath who threatens his or her romantic partner with murder suicide if the partner doesn't look past the latest episode of infidelity.

Go ahead, secede from the Union. Close the ports. Your government will turn you into a reprise of Cuba, and your unchecked immigration and socialistic policies will come crashing down. Or maybe in the strife the MILLIONS of occupiers of your territory (that you have been feeding, clothing, educating and healing) will take the opportunity to declare your state ground zero for the Republica Del Norte uprising.

We'll have to make adjustments, but we'll manage.

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:33:32 PM EDT

[#16]

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I can't wait for the forty-nine other states bail us Californians out of our fiscal crisis.

Nice.

Truth hurts don't it. Oh well enough of us will leave this state to infect other states with our Big City Thinking.

It's about time the rest of them lazy fucks give us back some of what we've been giving you for years. Like Tennessee and Alabama and a shit load of other states could have afforded half of an interstate without Commiefornian dollars. It might be fun to close our eastern borders and see how fast all of your Walmarts and Harbor Freights dry up.

I see that attitude a lot. Its endemic of the fucking rot emanating from your state. Its the drunken gambling addict who claims his wage earning as the basis for his episodes of beating the wife and kids. Its the addle brained psychopath who threatens his or her romantic partner with murder suicide if the partner doesn't look past the latest episode of infidelity.

Go ahead, secede from the Union. Close the ports. Your government will turn you into a reprise of Cuba, and your unchecked immigration and socialistic policies will come crashing down. Or maybe in the strive the millions of occupiers of your territory will take the opportunity to declare your state ground zero for the Republica Del Norte uprising.

We'll have to make adjustments, but we'll manage.

Your cheerios, check them for piss.

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:41:06 PM EDT

[#17]

What happens here, spreads to other states. Yes, CA politics is a cancer.

For those of you who want to say "Fuck 'em, they should move," keep in mind the first statement. If CA falls, then all this shit, this "innovative legislation," will start showing up at your doors.

We're willing to bomb the shit out of other countries to make them see the light. The least you guys can do at home is to make sure we don't rot from within.

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:43:24 PM EDT

[#18]

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We're willing to bomb the shit out of other countries to make them see the light. The least you guys can do at home is to make sure we don't rot from within.

So you're saying we should bomb Cali?

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:44:14 PM EDT

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What happens here, spreads to other states. Yes, CA politics is a cancer.

For those of you who want to say "Fuck 'em, they should move," keep in mind the first statement. If CA falls, then all this shit, this "innovative legislation," will start showing up at your doors.

We're willing to bomb the shit out of other countries to make them see the light. The least you guys can do at home is to make sure we don't rot from within.

How can you pound your chest on the internet to that shit?

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:46:14 PM EDT

[#20]

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What happens here, spreads to other states. Yes, CA politics is a cancer.

For those of you who want to say "Fuck 'em, they should move," keep in mind the first statement. If CA falls, then all this shit, this "innovative legislation," will start showing up at your doors.

We're willing to bomb the shit out of other countries to make them see the light. The least you guys can do at home is to make sure we don't rot from within.

How can you pound your chest on the internet to that shit?

sshhh, it's the gin talking...

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:47:28 PM EDT

[#21]

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What happens here, spreads to other states. Yes, CA politics is a cancer.

For those of you who want to say "Fuck 'em, they should move," keep in mind the first statement. If CA falls, then all this shit, this "innovative legislation," will start showing up at your doors.

We're willing to bomb the shit out of other countries to make them see the light. The least you guys can do at home is to make sure we don't rot from within.

How can you pound your chest on the internet to that shit?

sshhh, it's the gin talking...

Well dammit drink more.

There's no room for sensible talk in these threads.

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:51:06 PM EDT

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We're willing to bomb the shit out of other countries to make them see the light. The least you guys can do at home is to make sure we don't rot from within.

So you're saying we should bomb Cali?

Just remember "Danger Close."

Posted: 6/26/2012 10:57:28 PM EDT

[#23]

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We're willing to bomb the shit out of other countries to make them see the light. The least you guys can do at home is to make sure we don't rot from within.

So you're saying we should bomb Cali?

Just remember "Danger Close."

I figure a good hit on the San Fran Bay area would take care of a lot of the problem.......

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:00:34 PM EDT

[#24]

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We're willing to bomb the shit out of other countries to make them see the light. The least you guys can do at home is to make sure we don't rot from within.

So you're saying we should bomb Cali?

Just remember "Danger Close."

I figure a good hit on the San Fran Bay area would take care of a lot of the problem.......

That's like saying nuking Fallujah will end terrorism.

What is wrong here is a mental illness that has spread into the state legislature. It's everywhere to one degree or another, same as Muslim extremism. Always has been.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:03:09 PM EDT

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I figure a good hit on the San Fran Bay area would take care of a lot of the problem.......

That's like saying nuking Fallujah will end terrorism.

What is wrong here is a mental illness that has spread into the state legislature. It's everywhere to one degree or another, same as Muslim extremism. Always has been.

Didn't say it would fix it. Just that it would take care of a lot.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:07:37 PM EDT

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I hate this state, born here 32 years ago not by my choice.

Cant exactly up and move with my parents and grandparents still here and in need of my help.

I would move tomorrow if given the choice and had no family to leave behind.

Instead of pointing fingers and saying haha you get what you deserve, why dont you people who bitch about cali help? Write some letters, make some phone calls, spread awareness. Oh, almost forgot, its more fun to get on the net and give people shit about what they cant do with their guns than to help a fellow gun owner keep what the 2nd amendment provides.

There are more people here on our side than you think. Unfortunately there arent enough of us to vote in better leaders.

We get to thank all the illegals and welfare leeches for the situation we are in.

You wont be so smug when the shit from this craptastic state starts filtering out and into your precious "free" state.

What screwed this state over was the SCOTUS ruling on Reynolds v Sims.

Quite so... but coupled with further decisions that provided its not illegal to Gerrymander to political party "safe" districts, and statutes and cases requiring drawing districts that automatically elect minorities (who have been reliably liberal).

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:09:15 PM EDT

[#27]

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I figure a good hit on the San Fran Bay area would take care of a lot of the problem.......

That's like saying nuking Fallujah will end terrorism.

What is wrong here is a mental illness that has spread into the state legislature. It's everywhere to one degree or another, same as Muslim extremism. Always has been.

Didn't say it would fix it. Just that it would take care of a lot.

It would also take care of a lot of innocent people and destroy a shitload of wealth. You don't bomb these problems away, you solve them through education. It's a responsibility that each one of us has to teach people that don't know, if we want to see our freedom survive.

The "fuck 'em" attitude is dodging that responsibility.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:15:03 PM EDT

[#28]

Did I miss the fuck California circle jerk? I hope everyone brought a giant cracker.

Seriously, as a former California resident I am amazed at the stupidity of some my fellow gun owners. Instead of telling everyone to pick up their lives and leave, or ridiculing them, why don't you give constructive feedback that is helpful?

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:18:06 PM EDT

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It would also take care of a lot of innocent people and destroy a shitload of wealth. You don't bomb these problems away, you solve them through education. It's a responsibility that each one of us has to teach people that don't know, if we want to see our freedom survive.

The "fuck 'em" attitude is dodging that responsibility.

I'm just hoping you didn't seriously think I was advocating bombing California. If so, check your funny bone and your sarcasm meter.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:21:02 PM EDT

[#30]

I wish I can leave, but I'm just thankful to have a job right now.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:24:31 PM EDT

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But, I'm sure some denizens of that great fucking suckhole of tyranny will be here shortly to tell me of the benefits of the beaches and the blondes, and how their chains do not yet rest so heavily as to persuade them to leave. They'll explain why putting their tax dollars into the monster is somehow an act of resistance.

Sigh.

You have to get to the beach at 6am if you want to find a spot. Sure there are a lot of hot women here, and most of them are stuck up cunts.
I hate this state, born here 32 years ago not by my choice.

Cant exactly up and move with my parents and grandparents still here and in need of my help.

I would move tomorrow if given the choice and had no family to leave behind.

Instead of pointing fingers and saying haha you get what you deserve, why dont you people who bitch about cali help? Write some letters, make some phone calls, spread awareness. Oh, almost forgot, its more fun to get on the net and give people shit about what they cant do with their guns than to help a fellow gun owner keep what the 2nd amendment provides.

There are more people here on our side than you think. Unfortunately there arent enough of us to vote in better leaders.

We get to thank all the illegals and welfare leeches for the situation we are in.

You wont be so smug when the shit from this craptastic state starts filtering out and into your precious "free" state.

SOrry bro you are outnumbered too heavily over there. My time and money is better spent making sure my state increases gun rights so it doesn't end up like yours. We have been doing good . I know there are some good people there but it is hopeless IMO. Start saving up for the day you have no family left there and move somewhere better.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:25:33 PM EDT

[#32]

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Did I miss the fuck California circle jerk? I hope everyone brought a giant cracker.

Seriously, as a former California resident I am amazed at the stupidity of some my fellow gun owners. Instead of telling everyone to pick up their lives and leave, or ridiculing them, why don't you give constructive feedback that is helpful?

How do you give meaningful advice to a football team where its clear the Refs are crooked and the game is rigged. Isn't the best advice not to take the field and participate in that sort of puppet theatre?

Here's the reality: CalGuns Foundation has gotten a little traction (more than a trifle, but not so much as they claim) in the Courts. The liberal masters don't like that. Part of what is evident in the current legislative blast is to create SO MANY criminals, with so many arrests, that "bad law" (i.e., law upholding the statutes) can be generated by shitty work by underpaid public defenders in cases with unsavory defendants and not by CalGuns Foundation with its skilled lawyers and hand-picked sympathetic Plaintiffs.

Not sure what else there is to say. Part of what's sick here is that several of the CalGuns poo-bah's are personally invested in the financial success of the Bullet Button devices. They're out there suggesting (as recently as today) that the new law, if passed, would ban everything BUT bullet buttoned guns. Its claptrap. Its a conflict of interest driven by their financial hopes and wishes.

And there are still people who don't have the first clue about the US Supreme Court's jurisprudence on "ex post facto"

As I posted elsewhere: An ex post facto law would criminalize an act that occurred before the law was passed. But these laws include prohibitions on continued possession of contraband, along with a handy mechanism to permit the voluntary surrender and destruction of it. That's not ex post facto. You're not being punished for the crime of acquiring the things prohibited before the law passed, but for the new violation of continuing to possess these items after the effective date. Declaring an item contraband and providing criminal sanctions for its continued possession after a certain date in the future is not an ex-post facto law.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:27:27 PM EDT

[#33]

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It would also take care of a lot of innocent people and destroy a shitload of wealth. You don't bomb these problems away, you solve them through education. It's a responsibility that each one of us has to teach people that don't know, if we want to see our freedom survive.

The "fuck 'em" attitude is dodging that responsibility.

I'm just hoping you didn't seriously think I was advocating bombing California. If so, check your funny bone and your sarcasm meter.

I didn't, my response was metaphorical as well.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:28:57 PM EDT

[#34]

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Did I miss the fuck California circle jerk? I hope everyone brought a giant cracker.

Seriously, as a former California resident I am amazed at the stupidity of some my fellow gun owners. Instead of telling everyone to pick up their lives and leave, or ridiculing them, why don't you give constructive feedback that is helpful?

That's not as much fun.
If this passes, I'm headed your way (Fallon). I can't do anything else here. Don't know if I can find work there, but it's the closest thing to what I do. Only other option is Maryland (Pax River), and I'll be damned if I trade in one shithole for another.

It's a sad fact that Fallon––FALLON––would be an upgrade. Damn...to be able to actually load an AR without having to open the rifle up would be sweet.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:29:32 PM EDT

[#35]

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I wish I can leave, but I'm just thankful to have a job right now.

I feel you, brother.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:32:23 PM EDT

[#36]

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I can't wait for the forty-nine other states bail us Californians out of our fiscal crisis.

Nice.

Truth hurts don't it. Oh well enough of us will leave this state to infect other states with our Big City Thinking.

It's about time the rest of them lazy fucks give us back some of what we've been giving you for years. Like Tennessee and Alabama and a shit load of other states could have afforded half of an interstate without Commiefornian dollars. It might be fun to close our eastern borders and see how fast all of your Walmarts and Harbor Freights dry up.

Without all the liberal state house votes and electoral votes we would have a lot less federal government right now wasting trillions of dollars on shit. There would be plenty of highway funding without your money. Don't act like your tax dollars are a blessing when your neighbors votes are putting us so far in debt and deficits and inflation we may be crushed. Ill thank the big liberal city tax dollars when they cough up the extra cash to cover the deficits they vote for.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:35:16 PM EDT

[#37]

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Guys, PLEASE HELP us. Don't ignore us.

My folks have been in California since late '63 THAT's 1863. All of my family but 1 Aunt is conservitive. This is HOME to us. This is MY LAND! stop telling us to turn and run. If you can support Calguns fight please do.

calguns isn't helping you.

You guys form an organization that is serious about splitting norcal from the big shitys and I will donate HEAVILY to the cause. Dead serious I would give a lot of my money to free you guys from LA and SF . It would create a conservative state and reduce the commie impact on elections.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:36:39 PM EDT

[#38]

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This passes, I leave. I will not be made an overnight criminal nor will I surrender/destroy items that have cost me a lot of money, time and effort.

Take my guns, my trucks, my vote and most importantly to them, my tax dollars and split. I will join the two million plus who have left in the last couple of years.

Don't fret, wherever I land, I will continue to be the gun owning, meat eating, beer drinking, 4x4 driving, libertarian/conservative mentality having old self. None of that "this isn't how we do it in California" bullshit outta me.

Just need a moderate climate, places to camp, shoot and offroad and I need to be within about 30 minutes of wealthy people (what I do for a living is something rich people buy). Fishing and a neighborhood tolerant of gearheads with shop space a plus...

The analogy about California being like a hot chick with AIDS is spot on BTW.

It's a little warm but AZ might be for you. Lots of rich people in the surrounding cities of phoenix metro.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:39:43 PM EDT

[#39]

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Did I miss the fuck California circle jerk? I hope everyone brought a giant cracker.

Seriously, as a former California resident I am amazed at the stupidity of some my fellow gun owners. Instead of telling everyone to pick up their lives and leave, or ridiculing them, why don't you give constructive feedback that is helpful?

How do you give meaningful advice to a football team where its clear the Refs are crooked and the game is rigged. Isn't the best advice not to take the field and participate in that sort of puppet theatre?

Here's the reality: CalGuns Foundation has gotten a little traction (more than a trifle, but not so much as they claim) in the Courts. The liberal masters don't like that. Part of what is evident in the current legislative blast is to create SO MANY criminals, with so many arrests, that "bad law" (i.e., law upholding the statutes) can be generated by shitty work by underpaid public defenders in cases with unsavory defendants and not by CalGuns with hand-picked sympathetic Plaintiffs.

Not sure what else there is to say. Part of what's sick here is that several of the CalGuns poo-bah's are personally invested in the financial success of the Bullet Button devices. They're out there suggesting (as recently as today) that the new law, if passed, would ban everything BUT bullet buttoned guns. Its claptrap. Its a conflict of interest driven by their financial hopes and wishes.

And there are still people who don't have the first clue about the US Supreme Court's jurisprudence on "ex post facto"

As I posted elsewhere: An ex post facto law would criminalize an act that occurred before the law was passed. But these laws include prohibitions on continued possession of contraband, along with a handy mechanism to permit the voluntary surrender and destruction of it. That's not ex post facto. You're not being punished for the crime of acquiring the things prohibited before the law passed, but for the new violation of continuing to possess these items after the effective date. Declaring an item contraband and providing criminal sanctions for its continued possession after a certain date in the future is not an ex-post facto law.

So instead we just sit here and complain?

I do not know the ins and outs of the Calguns foundation. I do know they have been able to accomplish some victories, which is more than many of the members here can claim.

The one thing that pisses me off to no end is the dumbass comments to move out of California. Do people have no other priorities other than guns? I honestly wonder how many people would move out of there hometown if similar laws were passed. Its easy for some to make the claim, but I doubt few would. I moved because I had a better opportunity out here, not because of the gun laws. Would I move back? Probably not, but that is for a variety of reasons. Maybe some members here just love to sit on their computer and feel better about their guns when they here about California.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:41:13 PM EDT

[#40]

It's like you said. Bad news all around.
One question though.

Where the fuck are you posting from ?
Antartica ?

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:41:27 PM EDT

[#41]

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I can't wait for the forty-nine other states bail us Californians out of our fiscal crisis.

Nice.

Truth hurts don't it. Oh well enough of us will leave this state to infect other states with our Big City Thinking.

It's about time the rest of them lazy fucks give us back some of what we've been giving you for years. Like Tennessee and Alabama and a shit load of other states could have afforded half of an interstate without Commiefornian dollars. It might be fun to close our eastern borders and see how fast all of your Walmarts and Harbor Freights dry up.

Without all the liberal state house votes and electoral votes we would have a lot less federal government right now wasting trillions of dollars on shit. There would be plenty of highway funding without your money. Don't act like your tax dollars are a blessing when your neighbors votes are putting us so far in debt and deficits and inflation we may be crushed. Ill thank the big liberal city tax dollars when they cough up the extra cash to cover the deficits they vote for.

They're whining about tax dollars and I'm looking back at decades of elections trying to imagine the difference the POTUS and Congressional elections without the impact of the California electoral votes and the numbers of their liberal representatives weighing in on serious policies of the day...

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:42:22 PM EDT

[#42]

getting closer to moving

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:43:10 PM EDT

[#43]

One of the major problems is a lot of Cali gun owners make nothing but excuses. Hell look at Paul, jumping in every Cali thread with pics of 4 AR15s, graphs and pie charts, links to studies, etc. It seems that only a small minority can admit that it's a fucked up state. I came here from RI (Mass. lite) and I was more than willing to admit that it is a gun hating liberal hell hole.

See you down in Arizona Bay.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:49:33 PM EDT

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Did I miss the fuck California circle jerk? I hope everyone brought a giant cracker.

Seriously, as a former California resident I am amazed at the stupidity of some my fellow gun owners. Instead of telling everyone to pick up their lives and leave, or ridiculing them, why don't you give constructive feedback that is helpful?

How do you give meaningful advice to a football team where its clear the Refs are crooked and the game is rigged. Isn't the best advice not to take the field and participate in that sort of puppet theatre?

Here's the reality: CalGuns Foundation has gotten a little traction (more than a trifle, but not so much as they claim) in the Courts. The liberal masters don't like that. Part of what is evident in the current legislative blast is to create SO MANY criminals, with so many arrests, that "bad law" (i.e., law upholding the statutes) can be generated by shitty work by underpaid public defenders in cases with unsavory defendants and not by CalGuns with hand-picked sympathetic Plaintiffs.

Not sure what else there is to say. Part of what's sick here is that several of the CalGuns poo-bah's are personally invested in the financial success of the Bullet Button devices. They're out there suggesting (as recently as today) that the new law, if passed, would ban everything BUT bullet buttoned guns. Its claptrap. Its a conflict of interest driven by their financial hopes and wishes.

And there are still people who don't have the first clue about the US Supreme Court's jurisprudence on "ex post facto"

As I posted elsewhere: An ex post facto law would criminalize an act that occurred before the law was passed. But these laws include prohibitions on continued possession of contraband, along with a handy mechanism to permit the voluntary surrender and destruction of it. That's not ex post facto. You're not being punished for the crime of acquiring the things prohibited before the law passed, but for the new violation of continuing to possess these items after the effective date. Declaring an item contraband and providing criminal sanctions for its continued possession after a certain date in the future is not an ex-post facto law.

So instead we just sit here and complain?

I do not know the ins and outs of the Calguns foundation. I do know they have been able to accomplish some victories, which is more than many of the members here can claim.

The one thing that pisses me off to no end is the dumbass comments to move out of California. Do people have no other priorities other than guns? I honestly wonder how many people would move out of there hometown if similar laws were passed. Its easy for some to make the claim, but I doubt few would. I moved because I had a better opportunity out here, not because of the gun laws. Would I move back? Probably not, but that is for a variety of reasons. Maybe some members here just love to sit on their computer and feel better about their guns when they here about California.

Its not just guns. Guns is just one tip of an enormous iceberg. Its immigration, taxation, environmental restrictions, education, you name it. Everything about that state is objectively turning to shit, well, unless you're an illegal alien living under the taxpayer provided umbrella of benefits, not paying any taxes except what gets taken automatically out of the till when you buy goods), and funneling cash earned at the expense of jobless Americans down to family in the failed state of Mejico. Stockton California filed an enormous bankruptcy. More are on the way. The house of cards is falling.

And for the record, I've done exactly what you specified. Denver passed an AWBan and I moved within a year. Took a pay cut initially, but don't mind it. Again it wasn't just the guns, but the attitude about all other freedom that liberals' willingness to ban guns tends to be associated with. Since I left, Denver's embraced sanctuary city status, has raised taxes and fees, has had a string of police over-reaching incidents (some involving death of innocents) and so on and so forth. The problem is that once the fish starts to rot, the rot moves into all areas and the whole thing is death and poison.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:51:03 PM EDT

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I can't wait for the forty-nine other states bail us Californians out of our fiscal crisis.

Nice.

Truth hurts don't it. Oh well enough of us will leave this state to infect other states with our Big City Thinking.

It's about time the rest of them lazy fucks give us back some of what we've been giving you for years. Like Tennessee and Alabama and a shit load of other states could have afforded half of an interstate without Commiefornian dollars. It might be fun to close our eastern borders and see how fast all of your Walmarts and Harbor Freights dry up.

Without all the liberal state house votes and electoral votes we would have a lot less federal government right now wasting trillions of dollars on shit. There would be plenty of highway funding without your money. Don't act like your tax dollars are a blessing when your neighbors votes are putting us so far in debt and deficits and inflation we may be crushed. Ill thank the big liberal city tax dollars when they cough up the extra cash to cover the deficits they vote for.

They're whining about tax dollars and I'm looking back at decades of elections trying to imagine the difference the POTUS and Congressional elections without the impact of the California electoral votes and the numbers of their liberal representatives weighing in on serious policies of the day...

It's also a matter of time until the children of all those poor illegals grow up and vote away whats left of california businesses and freedom. THe tax revenue generated is a leftover from when california was a more free state. Wont be long before they are using more than they are paying at this rate.

There is no way to stop this other than splitting the state into two or three states and freeing the conservatives. It would be hard to do but it is the only chance california conservatives have other than moving to a better state.

Posted: 6/26/2012 11:52:57 PM EDT

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Its not just guns. Guns is just one tip of an enormous iceberg. Its immigration, taxation, environmental restrictions, education, you name it. Everything about that state is objectively turning to shit, well, unless you're an illegal alien living under the taxpayer provided umbrella of benefits, not paying any taxes except what gets taken automatically out of the till when you buy goods), and funneling cash earned at the expense of jobless Americans down to family in the failed state of Mejico. Stockton California filed an enormous bankruptcy. More are on the way. The house of cards is falling.

And for the record, I've done exactly what you specified. Denver passed an AWBan and I moved within a year. Took a pay cut initially, but don't mind it. Again it wasn't just the guns, but the attitude about all other freedom that liberals' willingness to ban guns tends to be associated with. Since I left, Denver's embraced sanctuary city status, has raised taxes and fees, has had a string of police over-reaching incidents (some involving death of innocents) and so on and so forth. The problem is that once the fish starts to rot, the rot moves into all areas and the whole thing is death and poison.

Excellent post. Reminds me of something Suzanna Hupp said to our Texas legislature when trying to get the CHL laws passed:

How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.

It isn't just the gun issues in California. That's just a sign of how fucked up the state legislature is there.

Posted: 6/27/2012 12:12:53 AM EDT

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Its not just guns. Guns is just one tip of an enormous iceberg. Its immigration, taxation, environmental restrictions, education, you name it. Everything about that state is objectively turning to shit, well, unless you're an illegal alien living under the taxpayer provided umbrella of benefits, not paying any taxes except what gets taken automatically out of the till when you buy goods), and funneling cash earned at the expense of jobless Americans down to family in the failed state of Mejico. Stockton California filed an enormous bankruptcy. More are on the way. The house of cards is falling.

And for the record, I've done exactly what you specified. Denver passed an AWBan and I moved within a year. Took a pay cut initially, but don't mind it. Again it wasn't just the guns, but the attitude about all other freedom that liberals' willingness to ban guns tends to be associated with. Since I left, Denver's embraced sanctuary city status, has raised taxes and fees, has had a string of police over-reaching incidents (some involving death of innocents) and so on and so forth. The problem is that once the fish starts to rot, the rot moves into all areas and the whole thing is death and poison.

I agree the state has massive problems, and many of the reasons you have stated are the reasons why I cannot see myself moving back, but that does not apply to everyone. Telling people to move is arrogant and assumes that you know better than they do what is best for themselves and their families.

Your doomsday scenario for California is a bit of a hyperbole. Have you ever lived in California, or are you just basing your opinion off what you glean from the news and ar15.com? Stockton is going to declare bankruptcy, yes, but so is North Las Vegas. Does that mean Nevada is falling apart?

Posted: 6/27/2012 12:22:16 AM EDT

[#48]

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Its not just guns. Guns is just one tip of an enormous iceberg. Its immigration, taxation, environmental restrictions, education, you name it. Everything about that state is objectively turning to shit, well, unless you're an illegal alien living under the taxpayer provided umbrella of benefits, not paying any taxes except what gets taken automatically out of the till when you buy goods), and funneling cash earned at the expense of jobless Americans down to family in the failed state of Mejico. Stockton California filed an enormous bankruptcy. More are on the way. The house of cards is falling.

And for the record, I've done exactly what you specified. Denver passed an AWBan and I moved within a year. Took a pay cut initially, but don't mind it. Again it wasn't just the guns, but the attitude about all other freedom that liberals' willingness to ban guns tends to be associated with. Since I left, Denver's embraced sanctuary city status, has raised taxes and fees, has had a string of police over-reaching incidents (some involving death of innocents) and so on and so forth. The problem is that once the fish starts to rot, the rot moves into all areas and the whole thing is death and poison.

I agree the state has massive problems, and many of the reasons you have stated are the reasons why I cannot see myself moving back,but that does not apply to everyone. Telling people to move is arrogant and assumes that you know better than they do what is best for their themselves and families.

Your doomsday scenario for California is a bit of a hyperbole. Have you ever lived in California, or are you just basing your opinion off what you glean from the news and ar15.com? Stockton is going to declare bankruptcy, yes, but so is North Las Vegas. Does that mean Nevada is falling apart?

I visit California at least once a month. I do what I can to minimize expenditures there. Have business friends and associates (many of these self-made millionaires) who have had to move their businesses to escape the rampant looting by Sacramento. I have too many friends who stay and are sickened every time (so frequently lately) that the state moves to turn them into criminal felons one day to the next.

Nevada is in bad shape due to the real estate boom/bust. If memory serves, North Vegas' biggest problem stems from the consequences of police and other public sector unions... so the liberal rot is there too. I wonder what the city government there looks like politically...

Posted: 6/27/2012 12:29:10 AM EDT

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You fuckers have been home growing them for decades. You know how many Texas Plates+Obama stickers I see out here?

They have to come home to visit every now and then, I guess...

Posted: 6/27/2012 12:42:28 AM EDT

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