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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:29:58 PM EDT
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cool pics.thanks for sharing them
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:31:33 PM EDT
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best place to get a mosin? and is ammo derptastically expensive?
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:34:08 PM EDT
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VERY COOL!
And timely for me, I just Finnished a Suomi build. Perhaps the very receiver sitting in pieces in my shop is in that stack in the photo, having traveled two wars or more, 60 + years and thousands of miles. 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:34:56 PM EDT
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It's amazing that the Finns could take a crude bullet thrower like the Mosin Nagant and turn it into one of the most accurate and refined military rifles of that era. The M39 I owned was head and shoulders above any other bolt action milsurp I had in my modest collection. The Russian and other Mosins paled in comparison. I probably should've kept that one, when I sold all the rest.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:37:34 PM EDT
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Wow! Those are some neat photos!
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:38:49 PM EDT
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The day will come when many here will regret having a good Mosin and a good Mauser. Grab that piece of history while you can! Maybe but I doubt it. Why would I want a good Mosin or Mauser? I can appreciate what they are and the history but I have no real desire to own one. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:43:30 PM EDT
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That 4-station pantograph is dead sexy. 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:43:56 PM EDT
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Awesome photos
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:45:24 PM EDT
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The Finns never made their own receivers. They always recycled Russian, American, or French receivers. Everything else they made with the possible exception of bolt bodies. Lots of those laying around.
One of the things I love about old guns is the quality of work that went into them. They are often true industrial works of art. For many countries, the quality of their military arms was a source of national pride. The AK and the AR have moved beyond that. The AR (I have several and have assembled many more) is the lego project of firearms. Anyone with any sort of mechanical abilities can build one. The AK is the epitome of good enough, simple enough, mass production. The pride is in the design and its success. But with the exception of the milled-receiver AKs, your stamped-reciever AK is simply a machine. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:48:42 PM EDT
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Super cool
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:50:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2015 4:14:17 AM EDT
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I will ask my Finnish friend who is a member here to translate for us. Well as soon as he sobers up.   Iggy.... Link provided in OP, contains over 3000 pics... No time for translation :) Captioned picture in the OP says: "One of the white guard's gun and machinery shops" |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 5:37:08 AM EDT
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Iggy.... Link provided in OP, contains over 3000 pics... No time for translation :) Captioned picture in the OP says: "One of the white guard's gun and machinery shops" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I will ask my Finnish friend who is a member here to translate for us. Well as soon as he sobers up. Iggy.... Link provided in OP, contains over 3000 pics... No time for translation :) Captioned picture in the OP says: "One of the white guard's gun and machinery shops" Juha For some reason ,Finns are liked by ARFCOM. I think it is because of your child like minds and ability to consume vast quantities of alcohol
Oh yeah , also something about guns and you are supposed to be good at killing commies
P.S. - Are you coming over this summer? |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 6:13:31 AM EDT
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Thanks, I enjoyed the pics.
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Posted: 4/27/2015 6:23:15 AM EDT
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The contrast between this and a modern CNC shop is astounding. Though we share a profession, we'd all be lost in each others shops.
The way they did things before CNC came along is pretty interesting to me. The lack of eye-pro, and machinists wearing sweater-vests is giving me a twitch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some cool machines in those pics along with the rifles. The contrast between this and a modern CNC shop is astounding. Though we share a profession, we'd all be lost in each others shops.
The way they did things before CNC came along is pretty interesting to me. The lack of eye-pro, and machinists wearing sweater-vests is giving me a twitch. I used to work at places that were still like this, in the 70s and 80s. I recall milling machines and lathes exactly like the ones in the pics. Milwaukee, Greenfields, Bridgeports.... The sad truth is, everybody was deaf as a post from working in these places, and had lung problems from inhaling all the dust, filings and cutting oil. The stuff would permeate every open space of your skin and hair, and it got in your eyes, too. And of course, everybody smoked. A lot drank on the job, too. Injuries all the time. Eyes put out, fingers and hands, feet getting hurt...their backs hurt from standing all day bent over a machine on cold concrete. When long hair became fashionable, I heard a guy screaming at one end of the factory I was working in. Ambulance came and took him away. Later, the plant supervisor told everybody to wear hairnets if they worked in the shop. He demonstrated why, by showing us a large drill bit with lots of curly black hair and skin wrapped around in it, sealed in Lucite. The guy had got scalped by a drill press. 
My late father-in-law was a tool-and-die maker, and died from some of the effects in the first paragraph. There are very good reasons why nobody uses this stuff in factories anymore, and why safety measures were put in place. 
Anybody who is nostalgic for those days either never worked in these conditions, or is selective in their memories. |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:28:55 PM EDT
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VERY COOL!
And timely for me, I just Finnished a Suomi build. Perhaps the very receiver sitting in pieces in my shop is in that stack in the photo, having traveled two wars or more, 60 + years and thousands of miles.
http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad172/sureshot31/Suomi%20Project/photo%2039_zpspv3czw3k.jpg You didn't make it from a garden spade did you?
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:31:47 PM EDT
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Old school iron turning out parts. No safety glasses, or ear plugs. No yellow paint lines on the floor. Everybody is wearing dress clothes or coveralls. It's good to see pictures of when real shit got done with out computers, or stupid safety notices plastered on every surface. Gotta love it. Yeah, because PPE is such a burden to prevent missing eyesight and hearing loss 
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:33:45 PM EDT
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I like the zeroing platform they have there.
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:36:49 PM EDT
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tag
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:37:19 PM EDT
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SE Wisconsin checking in and loving the MILWUAKEE machinery in use!!
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:39:50 PM EDT
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Old school iron turning out parts. No safety glasses, or ear plugs. No yellow paint lines on the floor.... Exactly what I was thinking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:40:35 PM EDT
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Meh, I like going home with my eyeballs and appendages intact. Safety glasses have saved my vision twice. Long sleeves do NOT belong in a machine shop, especially one with manual machines working very close to spindles, for very obvious reasons. Also, with those damn cursed computers, we could crank out 5 times their production with a crew half the size and half the skill, and still make more accurate products, at a fraction of the cost. I admire their trade, and think it is becoming a lost art, but I still prefer how we do it today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Old school iron turning out parts. No safety glasses, or ear plugs. No yellow paint lines on the floor. Everybody is wearing dress clothes or coveralls. It's good to see pictures of when real shit got done with out computers, or stupid safety notices plastered on every surface. Gotta love it. Meh, I like going home with my eyeballs and appendages intact. Safety glasses have saved my vision twice. Long sleeves do NOT belong in a machine shop, especially one with manual machines working very close to spindles, for very obvious reasons. Also, with those damn cursed computers, we could crank out 5 times their production with a crew half the size and half the skill, and still make more accurate products, at a fraction of the cost. I admire their trade, and think it is becoming a lost art, but I still prefer how we do it today. I dont.. the new stuff is lifeless. the old school stuff has soul. |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:41:36 PM EDT
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Looks not unlike Springfield Armory.
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:41:38 PM EDT
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Kearney and Trecker went out of business in the mid -90's.
America which led the world in machine tool production until the 80's, has very little machine tool manufacturers. |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:44:49 PM EDT
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Pictures with captions - http://www.russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9419&start=60#p332078
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:49:41 PM EDT
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Tag for a bigger screen.
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Posted: 4/27/2015 12:55:06 PM EDT
[#27]
Awesome thank you for sharing
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Posted: 4/27/2015 1:10:22 PM EDT
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Old school iron turning out parts. No safety glasses, or ear plugs. No yellow paint lines on the floor. Everybody is wearing dress clothes or coveralls. It's good to see pictures of when real shit got done with out computers, or stupid safety notices plastered on every surface. Gotta love it. Gotta give credit to those folks. Many of them knew how to work safely, so some of the precautions we have today were already known and just common sense to them. However, many of the safety precautions we have today are also the result of some pretty bad accidents in industry. I think safety glasses, ear pro and steel toes are something we all take for granted, but really help improve our general safety. Eyes, ears, and toes are hard to replace. Add to that the better guarding, etc. meaning fewer mangled appendages, etc. |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 1:12:34 PM EDT
[#29]
Cool
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Posted: 4/27/2015 1:16:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Thanks!!!!
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Posted: 4/28/2015 2:25:38 PM EDT
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Does anyone know how the Polish made Mosin Nagants were in terms of quality? I have one made in 1953 that is mint and 100% perfect condition. It seems a lot nice made then any of the Russian ones I have seen over the years.
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Posted: 4/28/2015 2:35:53 PM EDT
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On American machinery....interesting.
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Posted: 4/28/2015 3:35:20 PM EDT
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On American machinery....interesting. I wouldn't be surprised to find American made machine tools in the plants of every combatant in WWII. We were the world leader at the time. |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 4:13:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know how the Polish made Mosin Nagants were in terms of quality? I have one made in 1953 that is mint and 100% perfect condition. It seems a lot nice made then any of the Russian ones I have seen over the years. Quite good. The Poles know how to make good arms. Thanks for starting the thread, OP. Those are some great pics. I have two Finn m/39s, a m/1891, and a Finn capture M1891-30. I also have a TNW Suomi for which I'm waiting on a stamp so I can SBR it.  |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 4:18:54 PM EDT
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Cool seeing where my VKT M39 aas born.
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Posted: 4/29/2015 10:53:53 PM EDT
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Kearney and Trecker went out of business in the mid -90's. America which led the world in machine tool production until the 80's, has very little machine tool manufacturers. When I worked for the Foxboro Company and later for Greenfield Tap & Die, I was told in both places that machine tooling was a "mature industry", i.e, they'd run out of ideas and interest in how to develop new products. The Japs showed them to be wrong. Dead wrong. Of course, that was twenty to almost forty years ago. I have no idea what's going on in the industry now. But I did hear Foxboro just underwent yet another reorganization under another name and owner, and GTD is around, but barely. A plant that used to employ hundreds, if not thousands, now employs maybe 10 or 15 people running CNC machines, producing the same, if not more, amount of taps and dies. |
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Posted: 4/29/2015 11:03:29 PM EDT
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Great.....now I want a Fin.
I've already managed to get ahold of several M91/30s and an M44 as well as a Polish Carbine. But no Fin.
My Russian Mosins 
BTW, I prefer my rifle over the carbine.  If you've fired both, you know why.
Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/29/2015 11:11:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I learned on manual machines with no electronics. When I took my current job all the machines had Accurite DROs, they bought me two CNC mills and sent me to the factory schools to learn how to use them. Now I come home to my old manual machines and wish I was back at work. Had a bunch of little WWII era lathes , they were so much smoother and easier to run than the larger more modern machines for the little projects they had us doing |
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