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Posted: 8/24/2011 5:30:28 AM EDT
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So, you have no will power, you can't stick to a diet, you cheat, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just closing your stomach so you physically can't put as much Philly cheese steak in it doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, relapse is almost inevitable. Obesity is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to get fat in the first place, you're doomed to failure. A bypass doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the cheap way out. No, you are being a dick and you know it. It is really easy to sit back and cast stones and I have had many thrown my way too. If you think having a life altering surgery, making a drastic lifestyle change for the better and then dealing with judgemental assholes on top of all that is easy I say "Good day to you Sir!" 
I lost 200lbs, I ran my first 5K in May, from there I worked into running 4 miles 3 times a week, I am doing a 1/4 marathon in two weeks and a half in a month. And no, I couldn't have done it on a regular diet. It is not the same. There is a barrier and several chemical issues. When you constantly feel hungry it is hard to not want to eat. Post surgery I have not felt hungry a single time. I now have to eat by the clock or when I feel low blood sugar coming on. I will say this to the OP, the surgery is just a tool, use it properly and it is fantastic, abuse it and it can and will kill you. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 5:42:05 AM EDT
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sounds unhealthy. Being 120lbs overweight would be better? |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 5:45:46 AM EDT
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Good luck, My cousin did this about 3 yrs ago, Went from 395 to 225. Took about 13 months total.
He's doing very well now. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 5:46:17 AM EDT
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Congrats on taking a shortcut around willpower and hard work. Why does it need to be hard? |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 5:52:55 AM EDT
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So, you have no will power, you can't stick to a diet, you cheat, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just closing your stomach so you physically can't put as much Philly cheese steak in it doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, relapse is almost inevitable. Obesity is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to get fat in the first place, you're doomed to failure. A bypass doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the cheap way out. If the Doc that did his surgery is any good at all, the OP will have had to go to "training" to get ready for the surgery and need to go for more as he heals and re-learns how to eat again. I looked into this and lap band before taking my current Primal/Paleo course tlose weight. I needed to lose about 90 or so pounds, so I decided to just change my diet and habits. Since I felt Icould control my impulse to cheat, I felt it was right for me. No one thing is right for everyone. You know that... 
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:07:42 AM EDT
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So, you have no will power, you can't stick to a diet, you cheat, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just closing your stomach so you physically can't put as much Philly cheese steak in it doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, relapse is almost inevitable. Obesity is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to get fat in the first place, you're doomed to failure. A bypass doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. Bigot view point There is no absolute on this I was riding bike out doors in FL summer heat 50 miles a week 17 miles 3 times an week I was not eating out or fast food or junk food I never dropped anything I floated the same 15 on and off for the last 5 years |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:14:26 AM EDT
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So, you have no will power, you can't stick to a diet, you cheat, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just closing your stomach so you physically can't put as much Philly cheese steak in it doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, relapse is almost inevitable. Obesity is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to get fat in the first place, you're doomed to failure. A bypass doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the cheap way out. No, you are being a dick and you know it. It is really easy to sit back and cast stones and I have had many thrown my way too. If you think having a life altering surgery, making a drastic lifestyle change for the better and then dealing with judgemental assholes on top of all that is easy I say "Good day to you Sir!"
I lost 200lbs, I ran my first 5K in May, from there I worked into running 4 miles 3 times a week, I am doing a 1/4 marathon in two weeks and a half in a month. And no, I couldn't have done it on a regular diet. It is not the same. There is a barrier and several chemical issues. When you constantly feel hungry it is hard to not want to eat. Post surgery I have not felt hungry a single time. I now have to eat by the clock or when I feel low blood sugar coming on. I will say this to the OP, the surgery is just a tool, use it properly and it is fantastic, abuse it and it can and will kill you. Every failure of another man is somehow a reaffirmation of personal strength for some people. It happens in every thread. Alcoholism, suicide, fatties. Get used to it. Some people need that kind of self- support I have found. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:29:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: So, you have no will power, you can't stick to a diet, you cheat, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just closing your stomach so you physically can't put as much Philly cheese steak in it doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, relapse is almost inevitable. Obesity is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to get fat in the first place, you're doomed to failure. A bypass doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the cheap way out. No, you are being a dick and you know it. It is really easy to sit back and cast stones and I have had many thrown my way too. If you think having a life altering surgery, making a drastic lifestyle change for the better and then dealing with judgemental assholes on top of all that is easy I say "Good day to you Sir!" I lost 200lbs, I ran my first 5K in May, from there I worked into running 4 miles 3 times a week, I am doing a 1/4 marathon in two weeks and a half in a month. And no, I couldn't have done it on a regular diet. It is not the same. There is a barrier and several chemical issues. When you constantly feel hungry it is hard to not want to eat. Post surgery I have not felt hungry a single time. I now have to eat by the clock or when I feel low blood sugar coming on. I will say this to the OP, the surgery is just a tool, use it properly and it is fantastic, abuse it and it can and will kill you. Piss off with that "cast stones" bullshit. When I was 17 years old, I decided that 300lbs was no way to live. Eight years later, I'm about 230. I try to bicycle about 120-150 miles a week, two time P90X grad, etc. I got where I am the old fashioned way. I worked at it. I didn't have some fucker fresh off the tuna barge from New Delhi staple my stomach shut. turned yourself around Can I cast stones on you guys who take the cheap way out? Absolutely. I earned mine. One day, one mile, and one gallon of sweat at a time. That's discipline, that's effort, that's a learning experience. Mine wasn't given to me. I went out and I got it for myself, the hard way. Mine is worth more, and means more than yours ever will. It's good that you turned yourself around, but when somebody openly states they're doing it because they cheat, they have no will power, and they refuse to stick to a diet, that's a set up for failure like no other. Unless OP can seriously unfuck himself, he's going to be right back where he is now, probably plus a hundy.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:35:46 AM EDT
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So, you have no will power, you can't clean your house, your bathroom is a disgrace, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just wearing sandals in the shower so you physically can't get athlete's foot doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, never getting laid is inevitable. Filthiness is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to be a dirty slob in the first place, you're doomed to failure. An excuse that your oven is a tool to be used as such doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the lazy way out. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:43:19 AM EDT
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Congrats on taking a shortcut around willpower and hard work. Congrats on landing on my ignore list. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:46:10 AM EDT
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Easy_E, this seems unlike you, bud.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:47:46 AM EDT
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My problem has always been that I am a stress-eater, and I cheat. A lot. The nice side effect of the surgery is called "Dumping". My GF suffers from it when she cheats. Have a soft pretzel? After all, we live near enough to Philly. Buuuuut, half an hour later, she's doubled up, swearing she'll never do it again. I need some invisible "Smite" button to kick my ass when I try to cheat. I've tried everything I can think of. Atkins worked, but gave me horrible diarrhea, and dehydrated me something fierce. South Beach, didn't seem to do a thing. Here toy go 
I hope recovery is going well. 
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:47:55 AM EDT
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Quoted:...spending useless time in a gym. . Its only useless if you stand there with your thumb up your ass doing nothing. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:49:24 AM EDT
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I have lost 40 lbs in the last 9 months. I can't tell how much of a difference this had made in my life. I really feel for the folks that have a hard time losing weight.
OP, good luck. You are in a battle now but you will feel much better in the long run. Hang in there. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:49:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Congrats on taking a shortcut around willpower and hard work. Sometimes the weight loss gives the motivation and builds will power to keep at it. Some do, some dont. I know a person who had the lap band done, she looked up ways to cheat and now s fatter then ever. I wont give anyone crap for trying to better themselves no matter how extreme. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:54:02 AM EDT
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Mom had a fat fucking slug of a boss at one job, the bloated fuck did not change his eating habits one bit and carried trash bags with him,
Into which he would vomit tie off and swing them around when he was talking to someone. Nothing like suffering the stench of the bloated sack of shit, which smells like sour pepperoni, bo and feet, with breath of shit stop and vomit mid sentence into a bag in front of you and swing that bag around. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:54:23 AM EDT
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So, you have no will power, you can't stick to a diet, you cheat, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just closing your stomach so you physically can't put as much Philly cheese steak in it doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, relapse is almost inevitable. Obesity is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to get fat in the first place, you're doomed to failure. A bypass doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the cheap way out. No, you are being a dick and you know it. It is really easy to sit back and cast stones and I have had many thrown my way too. If you think having a life altering surgery, making a drastic lifestyle change for the better and then dealing with judgemental assholes on top of all that is easy I say "Good day to you Sir!"
I lost 200lbs, I ran my first 5K in May, from there I worked into running 4 miles 3 times a week, I am doing a 1/4 marathon in two weeks and a half in a month. And no, I couldn't have done it on a regular diet. It is not the same. There is a barrier and several chemical issues. When you constantly feel hungry it is hard to not want to eat. Post surgery I have not felt hungry a single time. I now have to eat by the clock or when I feel low blood sugar coming on. I will say this to the OP, the surgery is just a tool, use it properly and it is fantastic, abuse it and it can and will kill you. Piss off with that "cast stones" bullshit. When I was 17 years old, I decided that 300lbs was no way to live. Eight years later, I'm about 230. I try to bicycle about 120-150 miles a week, two time P90X grad, etc. I got where I am the old fashioned way. I worked at it. I didn't have some fucker fresh off the tuna barge from New Delhi staple my stomach shut. turned yourself around Can I cast stones on you guys who take the cheap way out? Absolutely. I earned mine. One day, one mile, and one gallon of sweat at a time. That's discipline, that's effort, that's a learning experience. Mine wasn't given to me. I went out and I got it for myself, the hard way. Mine is worth more, and means more than yours ever will. It's good that you turned yourself around, but when somebody openly states they're doing it because they cheat, they have no will power, and they refuse to stick to a diet, that's a set up for failure like no other. Unless OP can seriously unfuck himself, he's going to be right back where he is now, probably plus a hundy. "Mine is worth more, and means more than yours ever will." Dude, you still got problems that need working on and it's not just weight. Don't put down a guy for trying to make his life better. He doesn't need approval from you. Good for you, OP. Best of luck. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:56:42 AM EDT
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Easy_E, this seems unlike you, bud. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:58:24 AM EDT
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So, you have no will power, you can't stick to a diet, you cheat, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just closing your stomach so you physically can't put as much Philly cheese steak in it doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, relapse is almost inevitable. Obesity is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to get fat in the first place, you're doomed to failure. A bypass doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the cheap way out. No, you are being a dick and you know it. It is really easy to sit back and cast stones and I have had many thrown my way too. If you think having a life altering surgery, making a drastic lifestyle change for the better and then dealing with judgemental assholes on top of all that is easy I say "Good day to you Sir!"
I lost 200lbs, I ran my first 5K in May, from there I worked into running 4 miles 3 times a week, I am doing a 1/4 marathon in two weeks and a half in a month. And no, I couldn't have done it on a regular diet. It is not the same. There is a barrier and several chemical issues. When you constantly feel hungry it is hard to not want to eat. Post surgery I have not felt hungry a single time. I now have to eat by the clock or when I feel low blood sugar coming on. I will say this to the OP, the surgery is just a tool, use it properly and it is fantastic, abuse it and it can and will kill you. Piss off with that "cast stones" bullshit. When I was 17 years old, I decided that 300lbs was no way to live. Eight years later, I'm about 230. I try to bicycle about 120-150 miles a week, two time P90X grad, etc. I got where I am the old fashioned way. I worked at it. I didn't have some fucker fresh off the tuna barge from New Delhi staple my stomach shut. turned yourself around Can I cast stones on you guys who take the cheap way out? Absolutely. I earned mine. One day, one mile, and one gallon of sweat at a time. That's discipline, that's effort, that's a learning experience. Mine wasn't given to me. I went out and I got it for myself, the hard way. Mine is worth more, and means more than yours ever will. It's good that you turned yourself around, but when somebody openly states they're doing it because they cheat, they have no will power, and they refuse to stick to a diet, that's a set up for failure like no other. Unless OP can seriously unfuck himself, he's going to be right back where he is now, probably plus a hundy. LOL, how's life treating you with that kind of attitude towards others? So much anger. I think you had more problems then just weight and they still aren't fixed. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 6:58:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: My doctor refused to refer me to a Gastric specialist. She has had several people she knew die from complications from their body not getting enough nutrients and essentially starving to death. So she scared me out of doing it. So far I have lost almost 30# by eliminating all pop and drinking only water and lemonade. I eat a turkey sandwich every day for lunch and eat only one serving for dinner no going back for seconds. I have a real rough time losing weight because of my previous back injury and surgery keeping my back in constant pain keeps me from being active any more. I was at 347 I am now down to 315. I know I have a long way to go but I am trying. Before my back fuck up I was at a constant 210-220 at 6' tall/. Impossible! |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:01:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: Not if they were drinking 12 liters a dayQuoted: My doctor refused to refer me to a Gastric specialist. She has had several people she knew die from complications from their body not getting enough nutrients and essentially starving to death. So she scared me out of doing it. So far I have lost almost 30# by eliminating all pop and drinking only water and lemonade. I eat a turkey sandwich every day for lunch and eat only one serving for dinner no going back for seconds. I have a real rough time losing weight because of my previous back injury and surgery keeping my back in constant pain keeps me from being active any more. I was at 347 I am now down to 315. I know I have a long way to go but I am trying. Before my back fuck up I was at a constant 210-220 at 6' tall/. Impossible! |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:03:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, you have no will power, you can't stick to a diet, you cheat, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just closing your stomach so you physically can't put as much Philly cheese steak in it doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, relapse is almost inevitable. Obesity is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to get fat in the first place, you're doomed to failure. A bypass doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the cheap way out. No, you are being a dick and you know it. It is really easy to sit back and cast stones and I have had many thrown my way too. If you think having a life altering surgery, making a drastic lifestyle change for the better and then dealing with judgemental assholes on top of all that is easy I say "Good day to you Sir!" I lost 200lbs, I ran my first 5K in May, from there I worked into running 4 miles 3 times a week, I am doing a 1/4 marathon in two weeks and a half in a month. And no, I couldn't have done it on a regular diet. It is not the same. There is a barrier and several chemical issues. When you constantly feel hungry it is hard to not want to eat. Post surgery I have not felt hungry a single time. I now have to eat by the clock or when I feel low blood sugar coming on. I will say this to the OP, the surgery is just a tool, use it properly and it is fantastic, abuse it and it can and will kill you. Piss off with that "cast stones" bullshit. When I was 17 years old, I decided that 300lbs was no way to live. Eight years later, I'm about 230. I try to bicycle about 120-150 miles a week, two time P90X grad, etc. I got where I am the old fashioned way. I worked at it. I didn't have some fucker fresh off the tuna barge from New Delhi staple my stomach shut. turned yourself around Can I cast stones on you guys who take the cheap way out? Absolutely. I earned mine. One day, one mile, and one gallon of sweat at a time. That's discipline, that's effort, that's a learning experience. Mine wasn't given to me. I went out and I got it for myself, the hard way. Mine is worth more, and means more than yours ever will. It's good that you turned yourself around, but when somebody openly states they're doing it because they cheat, they have no will power, and they refuse to stick to a diet, that's a set up for failure like no other. Unless OP can seriously unfuck himself, he's going to be right back where he is now, probably plus a hundy. You are so awesome, has anyone other than yourself ever told you that? I can't imagine you have ever struggled with anything in your life. I'm in awe of you. I want to be like you. I want you to marry my sister. What is your real name so I can re-name my stepson after you? Have you ever written a book? I'd buy it, and I know 2 other people who would too. Did I mention I am in awe? If I could only think like you and be like you. I feel so empty inside knowing I am not you. I really want to emulate you.  But I can't. There is not enough "dick" in my entire family lineage to accomplish that. OP, I wish you luck. I truly do.  |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:05:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: So, you have no will power, you can't clean your house, your bathroom is a disgrace, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just wearing sandals in the shower so you physically can't get athlete's foot doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, never getting laid is inevitable. Filthiness is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to be a dirty slob in the first place, you're doomed to failure. An excuse that your oven is a tool to be used as such doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the lazy way out. What was your point? I agree with Eazy and Huerto. Laziness and lack of discipline is laziness and lack of discipline, no matter how you slice it. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:09:28 AM EDT
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Good luck man. I've struggled for years and continue to struggle with weight now. I've considered the band but I perrsonally know at least 3 people that haven't had much luck with it.
What kills me is how society generally looks at this problem compared to say, drug abuse. Food addiction is a severe mother f%$*ker. Unlike various drug and alcohol issues total abstinence is not an option with food. Again, good luck to you. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:10:37 AM EDT
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Hang I there OP. I had it done a year ago and lost 200lbs. I would do it all over again in a heart beat. If you have not been fat all your life you just have no idea what it is like and how nearly impossible it is to change. If you have any questions or just want to talk IM me anytime. Indeed. I come from a long line of fat people, and I've been getting progressively heavier for ages. My fiancee had it done, she lost 220 pounds. Her son had it done, he lost over 100. I do know of people who died from it, but in most cases, there were complications, and in one case, NO compliance with the vitamin regimen. Because my fiance is looking at the same vitamin issues, we buy in bulk. It's pretty easy, once the whole family alters course, but dieting by yourself is hard. Even trying to diet when she was going through it was tough, for both of us. I felt bad eating in front of her, she felt bad that I wasn't eating. I feel pretty good. As of the day of the surgery, I might still be a diabetic, but my blood sugars have been 99 ever since. No more Glucophage, no more Insulin. I have 2-3 more shots to take of anti-clotting meds, but when that's done, no more stabbing myself in the stomach. Weight is coming off slowly, but I'll take slow and steady for as long as it wants to come off. 
For those folks who think all fat is laziness, I hope you experience Steroid therapy, and try explaining to your friends puffing up like a tick isn't due to chips and TV watching...
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:11:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Not if they were drinking 12 liters a dayQuoted: My doctor refused to refer me to a Gastric specialist. She has had several people she knew die from complications from their body not getting enough nutrients and essentially starving to death. So she scared me out of doing it. So far I have lost almost 30# by eliminating all pop and drinking only water and lemonade. I eat a turkey sandwich every day for lunch and eat only one serving for dinner no going back for seconds. I have a real rough time losing weight because of my previous back injury and surgery keeping my back in constant pain keeps me from being active any more. I was at 347 I am now down to 315. I know I have a long way to go but I am trying. Before my back fuck up I was at a constant 210-220 at 6' tall/. Impossible! I was joking. Most people could lose weight by simply eliminating pop and other snacks. Even people saying, "I'm always hungry" is an excuse. They complain they gain because they're always hungry, but they eat very high carb meals, which cause BS to crash, making them feel hungry again. Or very high fat, calorie dense foods. Almost no fruits and vegetables. Our lives are in our hands. If you can't take control of your own life, it's a flaw. I'm not saying I'm perfect by any means. I don't gain weight, but I have other issues. I don't make excuses for them, though. I don't medicate or get surgeries, or say, well it's just the way I am. It's not who you are, it's who you become that's important. ETA: I have friends who were fat their entire lives and lost the weight. Not impossible. Yes difficult, but that's life. If OP wants surgery, that's fine, his choice. I'm not going to condone it. My choice. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:11:57 AM EDT
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My wife had it about 8 years ago and loves it! Just don't ruin it and make sure to take a multi-vitamin everyday! You can stretch out your stomach again by over eating. Soda can cause problems too. We have a friend who has had the surgery 3 times because she ruins it.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:12:18 AM EDT
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Keep in mind that the mortality rate (within 3 years of the surgery) is nearly 1 in 200 (found that out when trying to talk him out of this surgery). A lap band is a the right choice for most people if they really want or need surgery. It's not as effective, but it has FAR fewer side effects and is easily reversible. And if he stays fat, the mortality is 100% Hell, for everyone, with a long enough time line, it's ALWAYS 100%. It's about the quality of life you have, not the quantity. I just want to go through life not hurting. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:12:35 AM EDT
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Good Luck dude... i hope they briefed you on the very real risks of this surgery... hes is already out and been home for some time now. Dint see that... I hope he does well. Some of teh side effects of this surgery can be NASTY.... and fatal. Just out of curiosity. Are you a md or had first hand experience or are you simply spitting out stuff you have heard on the internet? Well.... I have a friend (or kinda HAD now) that had Gastric bypass. It's been a nightmare for him. First he had a leak. Another surgery to fix the leak. It wasn't cleaned up properly and went septic. He nearly died from that. Now that the immediate complications are over, he deals the "normal" issues. He has a hard time getting enough vitamins absorbed. He suffers from "dumping syndrone." He's sick and lethargic all the time. His life revolves around his sensitivities to foods and his requirements. He's only in his 40's. The up side is he is no longer diabetic. Keep in mind that the mortality rate (within 3 years of the surgery) is nearly 1 in 200 (found that out when trying to talk him out of this surgery). A lap band is a the right choice for most people if they really want or need surgery. It's not as effective, but it has FAR fewer side effects and is easily reversible. So you have one freind who had an issue so you feel that there are major risks.,. The figure your speaking about is issues not mortality. Issue rate for these procedures is around one half of 1%. That is not mortality. Those who dont follow the program are at greater risks for issues. Bypass has been around since the 60's. Its not a high risk operation like you are portraying it to be. There are risk but as long as you follow the program and listen to your doctor those risks are mitigated. I am scheduled for a a vertical sleeve gastrectomy on Sept 16th. Ive talked to over a dozen doctors including those who i know personally who are in that feild. To be concerned is smart but your overstating the facts. My surgion has performed thousands of gastrectomies and over 500 vertical sleeves. WIth the sleeves alone he has had one leak and zero fatalities. I guess he is just an uber surgion. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:13:14 AM EDT
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Best of luck Brother.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:13:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted:...spending useless time in a gym. . Its only useless if you stand there with your thumb up your ass doing nothing. Which is what most people do in the gym. If you eat a 1,500 Calorie meal at McDonald's, screwing around on a stationary bike for an hour is useless. The real work takes place in the kitchen, not the gym. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:15:21 AM EDT
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I knew there were some real assholes on this site but this thread has truly shown how big of assholes they are. Congrats OP and I hope you do well. I come from a very large family and I am in the best shape of all of them. I am 6'3 and weigh 295. I am overweight but I am very active. I work outside on every one of my off days and I am not talking about just mowing grass. Last Thursday I picked up over 1000 Square Bales of hay. I do this kind of stuff routinely along with anything else I can be doing outside. I am very active and I don't eat very much. I eat a pop-tart for breakfast and usually a 6" turkey sandwich for lunch. Granted I do eat horrible at times but I can sit down with my buddies who are much skinnier than I am and they will eat me under the table. If I didn't watch what I ate I would be 350 easily and in very bad health. I think weight is different for a lot of people and some can never get it off of them with out help. I think being a dick about a guy who has made a huge life decision to help his long term health out is the worst thing I have saw on here in a long time. Get off your high horses and try to see it from his perspective. I hope I never try to put something on a internet forum where I consider most people to be friends to have one douche bag just try to pick me apart. Cut the guy some slack. Med Pig congrats man. I hope it turns out well for you and you are able to truly get the weight off and kee it offf.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:19:50 AM EDT
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I knew there were some real assholes on this site but this thread has truly shown how big of assholes they are. Congrats OP and I hope you do well. I come from a very large family and I am in the best shape of all of them. I am 6'3 and weigh 295. I am overweight but I am very active. I work outside on every one of my off days and I am not talking about just mowing grass. Last Thursday I picked up over 1000 Square Bales of hay. I do this kind of stuff routinely along with anything else I can be doing outside. I am very active and I don't eat very much. I eat a pop-tart for breakfast and usually a 6" turkey sandwich for lunch. Granted I do eat horrible at times but I can sit down with my buddies who are much skinnier than I am and they will eat me under the table. If I didn't watch what I ate I would be 350 easily and in very bad health. I think weight is different for a lot of people and some can never get it off of them with out help. I think being a dick about a guy who has made a huge life decision to help his long term health out is the worst thing I have saw on here in a long time. Get off your high horses and try to see it from his perspective. I hope I never try to put something on a internet forum where I consider most people to be friends to have one douche bag just try to pick me apart. Cut the guy some slack. Med Pig congrats man. I hope it turns out well for you and you are able to truly get the weight off and kee it offf. Gastric Bypass threads are about the number one type for exposing er... "attitudes" here. Well above and beyond the tattoo threads or any others. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:26:12 AM EDT
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Changing your lifestyle and loosing weight is such a huge head game. That is where the battle truly is. I got sick and tired of feeling sick and tired 3 years ago and stopped all soda, started drinking water like crazy, quit eating fast food. I started slowly jogging and lost 30 pounds in just 2 months. I kept jogging even though I hated it with a passion and now run 2.5 miles 3 times a week. I feel so much better than I have even since college days almost 21 years ago.
If I was in a desperate situation and I wasn't winning the battle for my mind, I would consider a bypass. Thankfully, I didn't get to that point. Good luck!!! Patrick |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:27:27 AM EDT
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Welp, all I can say is I never been down that road, I'm the wrong guy to give directions.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:52:27 AM EDT
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So, you have no will power, you can't clean your house, your bathroom is a disgrace, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just wearing sandals in the shower so you physically can't get athlete's foot doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, never getting laid is inevitable. Filthiness is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to be a dirty slob in the first place, you're doomed to failure. An excuse that your oven is a tool to be used as such doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the lazy way out. What was your point? I agree with Eazy and Huerto. Laziness and lack of discipline is laziness and lack of discipline, no matter how you slice it. My point was that I wouldn't listen to a guy who voluntarily lives in squalor. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 8:07:48 AM EDT
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Easy_E, this seems unlike you, bud. He did say he's stressing about his upcoming move...
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Posted: 8/24/2011 8:19:02 AM EDT
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So, you have no will power, you can't stick to a diet, you cheat, and you expect this to work? I'm not going to be a dick and wish ill on you, but for guys like you, long term, this rarely works. Just closing your stomach so you physically can't put as much Philly cheese steak in it doesn't require any effort, learning, or reprogramming on your part. Without that, relapse is almost inevitable. Obesity is mostly a mental disorder. Unless you fix whatever caused you to get fat in the first place, you're doomed to failure. A bypass doesn't fix the root cause, it only alters the end effect. That said, in five, ten, or twenty years, I'd love to see you make me eat crow, but from what I've seen, you're just looking for the cheap way out. No, you are being a dick and you know it. It is really easy to sit back and cast stones and I have had many thrown my way too. If you think having a life altering surgery, making a drastic lifestyle change for the better and then dealing with judgemental assholes on top of all that is easy I say "Good day to you Sir!"
I lost 200lbs, I ran my first 5K in May, from there I worked into running 4 miles 3 times a week, I am doing a 1/4 marathon in two weeks and a half in a month. And no, I couldn't have done it on a regular diet. It is not the same. There is a barrier and several chemical issues. When you constantly feel hungry it is hard to not want to eat. Post surgery I have not felt hungry a single time. I now have to eat by the clock or when I feel low blood sugar coming on. I will say this to the OP, the surgery is just a tool, use it properly and it is fantastic, abuse it and it can and will kill you. Every failure of another man is somehow a reaffirmation of personal strength for some people. It happens in every thread. Alcoholism, suicide, fatties. Get used to it. Some people need that kind of self- support I have found. Truth. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 8:40:04 AM EDT
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My ex had it done. It was a bitch. (she was a bitch too) She dropped a bunch of weight, and put some of it back on by eating small amounts of crap all the time. Frigging ice cream all the time and shit. She never got as heavy as she once was, but she tried.
She had a feeding tube for a while, which was gross. We had to pump protein down the tube a couple of times a day. 
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Posted: 8/24/2011 8:44:12 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I've got 100-120 pounds to go. Wish me luck, or at least a hot looking nurse... If you are serious about losing weight then there is no need to do anything drastic like surgery. I doubt I will be able to change your mind, but I lost 180 pounds myself without doing anything stupid like bypass surgery or spending useless time in a gym. There are many people here who would be glad to help you and give you real advice, myself included. You just need to keep an open mind and actually want to lose weight. Useless time in a gym? How is getting stronger and working out your body useless? I feel better today than I did in the last 20 years because of working out at the gym. And I'm stronger. And I'm healthier. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 8:51:50 AM EDT
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Its only useless if you stand there with your thumb up your ass doing nothing. Which is what most people do in the gym. If you eat a 1,500 Calorie meal at McDonald's, screwing around on a stationary bike for an hour is useless. The real work takes place in the kitchen, not the gym. The gym is plenty important. And while aerobic cardiovascular is important, it's not the only thing to do in a gym. Basal metabolic rate is incredibly important towards losing weight. Increase your BMR by increasing your muscle mass. Compound lifts are good for that and compound lifts - if you do them correctly - are 'real work'. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 9:14:34 AM EDT
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BTW, How much it cost ya?
Insurance pick up the/part of the tab? |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 9:19:50 AM EDT
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I am back home already. Tests show the new stomach is good, no leaks, and I'm on clear liquids for a week. Then, I get better soup, full liquids, stuff like that. Coffee might be a while, like 6-9 months. Surgery wasn't as bad as I thought, they WERE able to do Laproscopic, so I only have 6 little holes in me. Good times... Pain meds SO rock...[img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_tongue.gif[/img][img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif[/img][img]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/anim_whacko.gif[/img] The thing about narcotics, when you take them the first time at any real dose, it's awsome. After months of taking them the euphoric feeling goes away, and so does the pain supression. Once you're at the max dose, there is nothing that can be done for pain management. But, for short term use, pain meds DO rock! |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 9:31:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: True. Quoted: Quoted:...spending useless time in a gym. . Its only useless if you stand there with your thumb up your ass doing nothing. Which is what most people do in the gym. If you eat a 1,500 Calorie meal at McDonald's, screwing around on a stationary bike for an hour is useless. The real work takes place in the kitchen, not the gym. So you do go to the gym? I thought you were inferrnig going the gym was useless in itself. Some folks think that for some odd reason. |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 9:49:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Congrats on taking a shortcut around willpower and hard work. Your a real winner |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 10:49:43 AM EDT
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Good luck Medpig. I've struggled with weight for years. It didn't help when i went from a really fast paced job to sitting behind a desk for 12 hours and it made it worse when i quit smoking. I eat pretty healthy though and feel better now that i'm making better choices. Keep us updated and i'm glad to hear that you're doing what you needed to do to live longer.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 11:14:04 AM EDT
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Screw that. I like food to much.
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Posted: 8/24/2011 12:26:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Screw that. I like food to much. I too love the food, but for me the weight issue is about alcohol consumption.  |
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Posted: 8/24/2011 12:45:31 PM EDT
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Screw that. I like food to much. Trust me, we can tell...
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Posted: 8/24/2011 7:30:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:...spending useless time in a gym. . Its only useless if you stand there with your thumb up your ass doing nothing. Which is what most people do in the gym. If you eat a 1,500 Calorie meal at McDonald's, screwing around on a stationary bike for an hour is useless. The real work takes place in the kitchen, not the gym. The gym is plenty important. And while aerobic cardiovascular is important, it's not the only thing to do in a gym. Basal metabolic rate is incredibly important towards losing weight. Increase your BMR by increasing your muscle mass. Compound lifts are good for that and compound lifts - if you do them correctly - are 'real work'. I believe diet is much more important for weight loss than exercise. But I do agree with you. The only exercise I do is compound lifts like squats, deadlifts, pullups, rows, and overhead presses two days a week. |
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