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Posted: 10/26/2010 4:41:15 PM EDT
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A very good friend of mine, John Weisman was the actual author of that book. Why don't I know anyone cool like that? 
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Posted: 10/26/2010 4:41:54 PM EDT
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Loved that book when it came out..gonna have to get a copy and reread it...over the top fun stuff I still have the original hardcover. GREAT read. Man, those fuckers have the most fun of anyone in the Navy. 
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Posted: 10/26/2010 4:49:31 PM EDT
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I ask the question not because I think he was full of it, but because in light of all the bad rap the Mini gets, I found it interesting that Marcinco would choose them for his Team.
Obviously corrosion resistance was a factor. Same with the S&W's (which I've been on the prowl for ever since I read the book). I just remember reading that every time the Mini gets bashed. |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 8:58:25 PM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too.  No, it's true, they were in the inventory at some embassies, but I don't know if they belonged to State or the MSG BN. I have read/heard that Marcinko took some liberties with his exploits in Rogue Warrior, though I don't think there is any doubt he was a bad motherfucker, and I can't see any reason to doubt his claims they had stainless Minis seeing as how their use of the stainless S&W 66s is documented. |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 9:04:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: One thing to remember is that they were using AC556Ks NOT ( technically ) Mini 14s. It was a different beast, developed for Mil and LE contracts. As I recall, the AC556 was a pretty decent weapon. Not my bag of cheese but a pretty good performer at the end of the day.I ask the question not because I think he was full of it, but because in light of all the bad rap the Mini gets, I found it interesting that Marcinco would choose them for his Team. Obviously corrosion resistance was a factor. Same with the S&W's (which I've been on the prowl for ever since I read the book). I just remember reading that every time the Mini gets bashed. |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 9:11:55 PM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. They were State Department weapons. The ones I handled had a folding stock, pistol grip and very short barrel with flash suppressor. |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 9:17:50 PM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. Call BS all you want, it just publicly shows that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and you aren't shy about proving it. The embassy guards in that era purposely avoided "military issue" weapons, at least at certain locations. The big three odd balls were Mini-14, Uzi and .357 magnum revolvers. |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 9:20:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I need some new Niven, Pournelle, Heinlen and maybe a copy of Dante's "Inferno" as well. You should read the Niven/Pournelle version of Dante's Inferno. I believe it is simply called Inferno. There's a sequel to that now. |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 9:20:27 PM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. Not bullshit. Mini-14 was a standard State Department weapon. I received a weapons class on them at MSG school and FAM fired them too. None of the posts I served at had them, but I have buddies that had them at their posts. I was an MSG from '87-'89. |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 9:24:31 PM EDT
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Two things he wasnt lying about back then, index cards make excellent targets and muslim terrorists would be our next big problem. Dumb as it seems, he was one of the first people I thought of on 911. Also, they had him on the news a few times in the days following the attack. I paid for myself and a few customers for a "Night with Dick Marcinko," probably 15 years ago, or whenever Rogue Warrior was released. He spoke in Houston for a couple of hours about global terrorism, and then folowed it with a meet and greet and cocktails at a private book signing. A really great evening and yeah, he sure hammered home the then ignored threat of Muslim fanatacism. Quite ahead of the curve, for sure. |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 9:28:36 PM EDT
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I could have bought a transferable AC556 in 1993 for $1200, but I passed because I was poor. I should have sold my body or something to buy that gun.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:34:14 AM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. No, it's true, they were in the inventory at some embassies, but I don't know if they belonged to State or the MSG BN. . Again
Show me a Marine standing guard at an embassy with a Mini-14. The rifles were never accepted by the military and they sure as hell wouldn't be issuing to Marines guarding embassies that that : 1) was never tested & accepted 2) has ZERO support in the logistics system 3) the Marines have never received training on. They learned 2 & 3 the hard way in Vietnam - no way they would repeat those errors. ETA: I see several posters mention 'State Department'. So is the State Department provind the Marines their kit & weapons when serving at Embasies rather than the USMC? |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:52:55 AM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. No, it's true, they were in the inventory at some embassies, but I don't know if they belonged to State or the MSG BN. . Again
Show me a Marine standing guard at an embassy with a Mini-14. The rifles were never accepted by the military and they sure as hell wouldn't be issuing to Marines guarding embassies that that : 1) was never tested & accepted 2) has ZERO support in the logistics system 3) the Marines have never received training on. They learned 2 & 3 the hard way in Vietnam - no way they would repeat those errors. ETA: I see several posters mention 'State Department'. So is the State Department provind the Marines their kit & weapons when serving at Embasies rather than the USMC? US Marine Embassy Guards were issued non-US military weapons as a requirement at some postings. Mini-14s, 9mm Uzis, .357 magnum/.38 special revolvers. Training was conducted at MSG School. There are people in this thread telling you because they saw them in person while on duty and you still won't believe it. Page 135 in this link ETA: page 134 |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:55:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: As a little kid, I remember seeing state department security personal on TV in some south american country with AC-556s.Quoted: Quoted: Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. Not bullshit. Mini-14 was a standard State Department weapon. I received a weapons class on them at MSG school and FAM fired them too. None of the posts I served at had them, but I have buddies that had them at their posts. I was an MSG from '87-'89. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:56:23 AM EDT
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I have not read the book since it came out, but I seem to remember him describing it as the "ubiquitous" mini 14, and that part of why it was chosen was for helping to not be obviously US armed forces while on a mission and plausible deniability afterwards.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:58:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: A very good friend of mine, John Weisman was the actual author of that book. Why don't I know anyone cool like that?  You know me |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 7:59:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: I saw that, I had completely forgotten that I read Inferno back in the 70sQuoted: Quoted: I need some new Niven, Pournelle, Heinlen and maybe a copy of Dante's "Inferno" as well. You should read the Niven/Pournelle version of Dante's Inferno. I believe it is simply called Inferno. There's a sequel to that now. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:03:22 AM EDT
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You should read the Niven/Pournelle version of Dante's Inferno. I believe it is simply called Inferno.
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Loved that book when it came out..gonna have to get a copy and reread it...over the top fun stuff That whole series was good cheesy fun. Should hit the used book store and see if I can find them again. And I need some new Niven, Pournelle, Heinlen and maybe a copy of Dante's "Inferno" as well. Fantastic book. Also a followup written to that book called "Escape From Hell" where Allen goes back down. Same authors... edit - seems other people have seen the followup too, and i was teh late |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:04:13 AM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. No, it's true, they were in the inventory at some embassies, but I don't know if they belonged to State or the MSG BN. . Again
Show me a Marine standing guard at an embassy with a Mini-14. The rifles were never accepted by the military and they sure as hell wouldn't be issuing to Marines guarding embassies that that : 1) was never tested & accepted 2) has ZERO support in the logistics system 3) the Marines have never received training on. They learned 2 & 3 the hard way in Vietnam - no way they would repeat those errors. ETA: I see several posters mention 'State Department'. So is the State Department provind the Marines their kit & weapons when serving at Embasies rather than the USMC? You should stop while you're behind on this one Forest.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:05:33 AM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. No, it's true, they were in the inventory at some embassies, but I don't know if they belonged to State or the MSG BN. . Again
Show me a Marine standing guard at an embassy with a Mini-14. The rifles were never accepted by the military and they sure as hell wouldn't be issuing to Marines guarding embassies that that : 1) was never tested & accepted 2) has ZERO support in the logistics system 3) the Marines have never received training on. They learned 2 & 3 the hard way in Vietnam - no way they would repeat those errors. ETA: I see several posters mention 'State Department'. So is the State Department provind the Marines their kit & weapons when serving at Embasies rather than the USMC? US Marine Embassy Guards were issued non-US military weapons as a requirement at some postings. Mini-14s, 9mm Uzis, .357 magnum revolvers. Training was conducted at MSG School. There are people in this thread telling you because they saw them in person while on duty and you still won't believe it. Page 135 in this link I would just be quiet now 
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:06:53 AM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. No, it's true, they were in the inventory at some embassies, but I don't know if they belonged to State or the MSG BN. . Again
Show me a Marine standing guard at an embassy with a Mini-14. The rifles were never accepted by the military and they sure as hell wouldn't be issuing to Marines guarding embassies that that : 1) was never tested & accepted 2) has ZERO support in the logistics system 3) the Marines have never received training on. They learned 2 & 3 the hard way in Vietnam - no way they would repeat those errors. ETA: I see several posters mention 'State Department'. So is the State Department provind the Marines their kit & weapons when serving at Embasies rather than the USMC? US Marine Embassy Guards were issued non-US military weapons as a requirement at some postings. Mini-14s, 9mm Uzis, .357 magnum/.38 special revolvers. Training was conducted at MSG School. There are people in this thread telling you because they saw them in person while on duty and you still won't believe it. Page 135 in this link Thank you for the link & info. I stand corrected. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:18:46 AM EDT
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A very good friend of mine, John Weisman was the actual author of that book. Why don't I know anyone cool like that?
You know me But you have almost 90,000 posts on an internet board. That's the exact opposite of "cool." |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:31:12 AM EDT
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..Not bullshit. Mini-14 was a standard State Department weapon. I received a weapons class on them at MSG school and FAM fired them too. None of the posts I served at had them, but I have buddies that had them at their posts. I was an MSG from '87-'89. Out of curisity were they -14s or AC556's? |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:38:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: I can start posting all the carbine classes I've been to, that seems to be the requirement some places....Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A very good friend of mine, John Weisman was the actual author of that book. Why don't I know anyone cool like that? You know me But you have almost 90,000 posts on an internet board. That's the exact opposite of "cool." |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 8:41:15 AM EDT
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I can start posting all the carbine classes I've been to, that seems to be the requirement some places.... They let short, squat antarctic wildlife attend those? |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:32:25 AM EDT
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Anybody got a copy of that book who can scan a page or two around that quote? I can't find mine.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:34:03 AM EDT
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Years ago (mid 90's) I met Marcinko in the baggage claim area in an airport in DC. I asked him about their choice of Model 66's. He told me it was for corrosion resistance and for reliability after coming out of the water combined with a caliber that could do the job. At the time it made sense to me.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:38:42 AM EDT
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There are also some photos in the book of them doing something with boats and some dudes have what look like suppressed mac-10s. Not exactly mp5s. When the MAC-10 was developed in the 60's along with its silencer, it was pretty revolutionary. MP5s (and cans for them) didn't start getting popular until much later. Look up HK project 64 and you will learn something about the MP5. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:39:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I can start posting all the carbine classes I've been to, that seems to be the requirement some places.... They let short, squat antarctic wildlife attend those? Long as you have a credit card |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:42:47 AM EDT
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Years ago I was at my favorite watering hole and the seals were apparently having some kind of reunion that day and gathered at the same bar for drinks. I was at the pool table and said "hey, is that Paul Mitchell." Somebody smacked me in the back of the head and said that's Dick Marcinko you dumbass.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:44:43 AM EDT
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Gotta remember when this happened. SS Mini-14's were pretty high-speed back in the early '80's not to mention that ol' Bill Ruger probably gave them to ST6 for free. this, in the 80s minis were the shit.. you can thank the A-team for that 
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:48:08 AM EDT
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Also that the .357 Magnum was the only thing they could use to punch though some outboard engines. 5.56mm and 12ga slugs both do the job just fine.... Personally, I prefer .50 and 25mm |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 10:58:00 AM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. Not bullshit. Mini-14 was a standard State Department weapon. I received a weapons class on them at MSG school and FAM fired them too. None of the posts I served at had them, but I have buddies that had them at their posts. I was an MSG from '87-'89. They were still using them in 2002 when I went to an MSG recruiting presentation. Using exotic stuff(exotic for the Marine Corps at least) like Mini-14s and Uzis made an impression on a lot of people, although not as much as the idea of having a bar in the Marine House and spending your tour fucking Peace Corps girls and locals who were looking to get a green card. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 11:10:49 AM EDT
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Years ago (mid 90's) I met Marcinko in the baggage claim area in an airport in DC. I asked him about their choice of Model 66's. He told me it was for corrosion resistance and for reliability after coming out of the water combined with a caliber that could do the job. At the time it made sense to me. After the Model 66's went away, the SEAL teams got 686's. They were in use until a few years ago. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 11:16:28 AM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. Not to hijack, but, why in the world would they do that? Are you sure they weren't M14's? |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 1:40:37 PM EDT
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You should read the Niven/Pournelle version of Dante's Inferno. I believe it is simply called Inferno.
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Loved that book when it came out..gonna have to get a copy and reread it...over the top fun stuff That whole series was good cheesy fun. Should hit the used book store and see if I can find them again. And I need some new Niven, Pournelle, Heinlen and maybe a copy of Dante's "Inferno" as well. This! One of my favorite books and they are both terrific authors. I wish they make "Mote in God's Eye" into a movie, and not fuck it up in the process. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 1:56:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: I didn't know that. I will check into it. Thanks. Quoted: Quoted: I need some new Niven, Pournelle, Heinlen and maybe a copy of Dante's "Inferno" as well. You should read the Niven/Pournelle version of Dante's Inferno. I believe it is simply called Inferno. There's a sequel to that now. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:12:21 PM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. No, it's true, they were in the inventory at some embassies, but I don't know if they belonged to State or the MSG BN. . Again
Show me a Marine standing guard at an embassy with a Mini-14. The rifles were never accepted by the military and they sure as hell wouldn't be issuing to Marines guarding embassies that that : 1) was never tested & accepted 2) has ZERO support in the logistics system 3) the Marines have never received training on. They learned 2 & 3 the hard way in Vietnam - no way they would repeat those errors. ETA: I see several posters mention 'State Department'. So is the State Department provind the Marines their kit & weapons when serving at Embasies rather than the USMC? US Marine Embassy Guards were issued non-US military weapons as a requirement at some postings. Mini-14s, 9mm Uzis, .357 magnum/.38 special revolvers. Training was conducted at MSG School. There are people in this thread telling you because they saw them in person while on duty and you still won't believe it. Page 135 in this link Thank you for the link & info. I stand corrected. Classy. Seriously. There is always something new to learn. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:13:42 PM EDT
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Years ago I was at my favorite watering hole and the seals were apparently having some kind of reunion that day and gathered at the same bar for drinks. I was at the pool table and said "hey, is that Paul Mitchell." Somebody smacked me in the back of the head and said that's Dick Marcinko you dumbass. I fucking LOL'ed. I used to think that too. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:15:31 PM EDT
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Years ago I was at my favorite watering hole and the seals were apparently having some kind of reunion that day and gathered at the same bar for drinks. I was at the pool table and said "hey, is that Paul Mitchell." Somebody smacked me in the back of the head and said that's Dick Marcinko you dumbass. Dick Marcinko also has a line of tactical salon hair care products. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:17:24 PM EDT
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After reading CAPT Gormleys Combat Swimmer, I'm inclined to take anything Marcinko-related with a grain of salt or three.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:19:45 PM EDT
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A very good friend of mine, John Weisman was the actual author of that book. Why don't I know anyone cool like that?
You know me Wow, how great am I?, I know John and you  . Knowing you contributes more than knowing John....just saying.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:25:38 PM EDT
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I have met Dick Marcinko on many occasions and had a few candid discussions with him about his experiences in the Teams and the book Rogue Warrior. I found him to be exceptionally honest and straight forward. He answered all my questions without hesitation.
My last conversation with him was back in early 2000 or 2001 I think. I saw him a few years ago at SHOT Orlando. I didn't recognize him as he was much older and looked more frail than I had ever seen him. He saw me walking by and stopped me by grabbing my girly arm with his massive ham hands. He remembered me and asked me how I was doing and what I was up to lately. He was still the same confident Demo Dick Marcinko. 
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:33:05 PM EDT
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After reading CAPT Gormleys Combat Swimmer, I'm inclined to take anything Marcinko-related with a grain of salt or three. I read that book. There are a lot of books that cast doubt on Marcinko's accounts, but I'm just a guy who reads books. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 2:38:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: After reading CAPT Gormleys Combat Swimmer, I'm inclined to take anything Marcinko-related with a grain of salt or three. I read that book. There are a lot of books that cast doubt on Marcinko's accounts, but I'm just a guy who reads books. Yep, same. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:03:17 PM EDT
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After reading CAPT Gormleys Combat Swimmer, I'm inclined to take anything Marcinko-related with a grain of salt or three. I read that book. There are a lot of books that cast doubt on Marcinko's accounts, but I'm just a guy who reads books. Yep, same. Gormley's book was an awesome read, and I do recommend it to all. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:05:07 PM EDT
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What all was false in his book? Read it for entertainment awhile back, but I knew before I grabbed it that there was a lot of falsehoods in it. In Rogue Warrior? Other than he was innocent I dont think he was lying about the other stuff, exaggeration doesnt make it a falsehood. I know a former Capt (EOD)that knew Demo Dick from the Navy. He confirmed that he was guilty. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:10:39 PM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. No, it's true, they were in the inventory at some embassies, but I don't know if they belonged to State or the MSG BN. . Again
Show me a Marine standing guard at an embassy with a Mini-14. The rifles were never accepted by the military and they sure as hell wouldn't be issuing to Marines guarding embassies that that : 1) was never tested & accepted 2) has ZERO support in the logistics system 3) the Marines have never received training on. They learned 2 & 3 the hard way in Vietnam - no way they would repeat those errors. ETA: I see several posters mention 'State Department'. So is the State Department provind the Marines their kit & weapons when serving at Embasies rather than the USMC? Wow, guess it was all a hallucination when I received training on and fired the mini-14 in Embassy Guard school. 
Guess my buddies that had them at their posts were hallucinating too.
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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:14:35 PM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. No, it's true, they were in the inventory at some embassies, but I don't know if they belonged to State or the MSG BN. . Again
Show me a Marine standing guard at an embassy with a Mini-14. The rifles were never accepted by the military and they sure as hell wouldn't be issuing to Marines guarding embassies that that : 1) was never tested & accepted 2) has ZERO support in the logistics system 3) the Marines have never received training on. They learned 2 & 3 the hard way in Vietnam - no way they would repeat those errors. ETA: I see several posters mention 'State Department'. So is the State Department provind the Marines their kit & weapons when serving at Embasies rather than the USMC? Wow, guess it was all a hallucination when I received training on and fired the mimi-14 in Embassy Guard school.
Guess my buddies that had them at their posts were hallucinating too.
Up until 2 years ago MCESG and the MSGs' weapons were provided by DOS. Now, they only provide M870s and a few other special weapons with the MSGs' M4s and M9s coming from Marine Corps. |
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Posted: 10/27/2010 4:20:39 PM EDT
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Some US Marine Embassy Guards carried the Mini-14 back in the day too. Not to hijack, but, why in the world would they do that? Are you sure they weren't M14's? Not M-14s Mini-14s(possibly AC-556, but I always heard them referred to as mini-14) State Department Weapon. When I was on MSG duty our weapons were provided by the State Department. Don't know what the MOU (memorandum of understanding) between the Corps and Dept of State says today on the subject. We also had 9mm Uzi, S&W model 19 4" .357 (carried .38 special 125 gr +P Nyclad hollow points) 870 shotguns (some folders, some solid stock) This was in 1987-1989 time frame. Edit: I see R0N posted about the current agreement on weapons between Dept of State and the Corps. Please excuse the temporary hijack, but had to weigh in on the BS flag being thrown when I had personal experience with it. |
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