SGB - He's in their base telling them that God is with them, so go kill all of the enemy(me). Fuck him. If God is on your side why did he let me shoot you?

When things start going bad for Muslims they say:"It must not be Allah's will". When things go good they say:"It must be Allah's will!" Guess what? I want their life to suck. They get discouraged too.

medicjim - Yes, hitting a radio would a little more difficult than a person at 700m.

Standard ammo for Barrett is armor piercing incendiary explosive(Raufoss MK211 MOD0).
671gr bullet
approx. 2700fps

Personally, if you kill my Priest I will try to kill you even more.  A Priest is still mortal.  

Thou shalt not Kill...........but you can in God's eyes if one is trying to kill you.

Shoot the HANDLER first! Usually the dogs will not work with anyone else. He is usually a specialist too. Dogs don't know that the last dog that had the job got killed. The next dog handler sure will!

Arock wrote " A "human sized target" at 800 yards is a gimme. A staionary radio is easier. My last session on the 1k yard range (4 weeks ago) gave me 7 inch 5-shot groups. With 49 other .50's battery firing around me. Doping the wind and all that. Range estimation at 800 yds is a gimme too...

OK, let's stick to the .308 since you alluded to the fact that this was the easiest weapon for you to make the hit....

I put you on a range that goes out to 1100 yards and give you a target at an unknown range... there is a 15 MPH left to right full value wind at the target, and a 5-10 MPH gusting wind out at 300 yards running right to left on an angle that goes from full to 1/2 value... (spotter must call wind on a moments notice)....

You must range a human target (passive only) squatting near the radio in which the torso is rotated such that you can only get the torso height dimension, cause his shoulders are not facing you.  The radio is at a range of approx 800 yards...

You are shooting issue .308 match ammo, for which you have good range and cold bore data and the rifle is your issue weapon.

Whatever support you use, it must be at least 1 meter in the air, cause the brush is elbow height and very dense.

Your exfil is through the elbow height grass for 400 yards...

You only get one shot....COLD BORE

You call this EASY!!!!!!

They must feed you boys something special down there in TX.

also.. for the uninitiated...

a seven inch group at 1000 yards is approx. 3/4 MOA.... That is SPECTACULAR performance at that range... to be able to REPRODUCE that at will suggests that AROCK is a world class competitor firing a super accurate, precision bolt rifle...

I'm not doubting you AROCK, but you are not the average sniper, you are exceptional.  

I would take out the holy man to bring down the moral of the troops.

Medicjim, come shoot with us sometime.  We're on a mile range the weekend of the 18th.  Everything from .223's to .50 BMG's.  You'll enjoy.

But to your question, if I can see a target's head I can range it.  If I can see its shoulders I can range it.  With the target as described and the environmentals and meterologicals as you describe (concurrent winds), the firing solution is UP 18.50moa LEFT 1.75moa.  That's using Fed GM308A out of my issue rifle.  The rest is fieldcraft.

I have some competency at 1k+ yards.  I'm not the best.  There are four guys who beat me at the world championships at Raton this year.

My experience with trained scent dogs leads me to believe the dog and man have equal face value.  The dog knows it's job.  An Alpha needs established which may take a varying amount of time, depending on multiple variables of the dog and handler experience.  I've met and fed a friend's rabbit dogs twice. I had a successful solo hunt with them without any challenging behavior problems.  Being able to read the dogs' mannerisms and actions helped.  

I agree they are both specialists.  I never considered the mental aspect of the handler.  The handler would make a better target at extreme distance anyway.  The handler is the wisest choice for the 1st shot.

I ain't a trained killer.  600 yard paper bullseyes don't shoot back.          

Wouldn't the order to "high tail it out of there" supercede all previous orders.  There could be something in the works that you could compromise by stirring up the hornets nest.

Why let them know you're there?  They'll only patrol more next time around.  Pack up your Intel and go.  Save your butt for a shot that could do some damage.

Arock
What method are you using to range find?  Also the newer radios like the ASIP are only about 4-5" wide.  

STLRN, I trained to use what is available, be it LRF, mil-dot, duplex or "range flags".  Range finding is a particular interest of mine.  I've used theodolites per Dean Michealis' work and have my own Wild coincident-image optical range finder that goes out to 20k meters.

Marine mil-dots are in all of my glass.

Those new radios mean I've gotta get closer.

Topo maps are great for determining distance also.

I answered this "problem" because I thought you being in the Military it might have been part
of a course you had taken or a field problem.
From your answer/explaination I was wrong. There
is no difinitive answer. It is all in your head.
[V]

Military grade LRFs (Viper, GVS-5 and PVS-6) are good to +/- 5 meters, but display to a 10 m accuracy.  Subtending an angle via mils is good to +/- 10 percent of range, if the target is at a favorable aspect and exact dimensions of the target are know and you are not using a precision instrument.  Using a M2 aiming circle or T2 theodolites, the Max range you accurately determine a distance on an exactly 2 meter sized object is 340 meters, a smaller object like a 1 meter long M16 the Max distance you can accurately determine distance is 171 m, for an approximately twelve inch target like a head would be much shorter distance.  The reason I mention this is that as you know as range increases small errors in range finding make hits more difficult.  A ten percent error in ranging applied to your weapon's dope would be enough to take a well aimed shot off a small target at the ranges you are referring to.  

Distance scaled of a map (1-50,000) is often worse than 200 m in accuracy, it is just the simple fact that large scale and simplification in the construction of a 1-50,000 map makes exact location off them problematic.

Shhhhhh! with the theodolite stuff.  First thing you know we'll have triggerfifty over here and the next post will be two pages long.

Well, that is fine.  I have done range finding for calls for fire, subtending angles and hasty artillery survey to be at least able to discuss the topic.  When we use optical instruments we use at least an aiming circle, although a theodolite would be better.  As the distance increases beyond 300 m, we always will go to a 60 M base, because an operator with an optical instrument can accurately determine distance out to 1018 m, any more than that and you will lose accuracy because of the approximation involved in the mil relation formula.

STLRN you're right it really takes more than one person to adequately operate a theodolite.  The baseline distances are large.  For REALLY INDEPTH DISCUSSIONS about theodolites, go to biggerhammer.net and look for posts by triggerfifty.  That's Dean Michealis.  He was in the first Army .50 BMG Hard Target Interdiction group in the late 80's and he's the best source of that information I've found.  His book details much of the same territory from an operator's standpoint.

[url]www.biggerhammer.net[/url]

The 60 m base I was referring to is the size of the object measured. We take two aiming stakes and either measuring tape or wire and place the stakes 60 m apart.  The optical instrument at that point just subtends the angle. A theodolite itself is just an extremely accurate optical instrument used in survey operation.  If you are using multiple optical instruments set at distance to an object you have several considerations like you have to ensure you have at least a 300-2900 mil apex angle (1067 optimal), and it becomes a matter of mathematically solving the distance, but even at the optimal point, triangulation still produces an error rectangle that can be quite large as range to target increases.  At useable ranges triangulation with multiple instruments really doesn't show anymore accuracy than subtending an angle.  Unless you are doing coincidence range finding, in which you are to match on image over another, knowing the distance between the two mirrors and using trig determining a distance.

I would take out the NCO to hopefully add confusion. I wouldn't bother with taking out the priest as it appears that these guys aren't very religious and aren't interested in what he has to say. They are engaged in other activities while he is attempting to give his sermon.

it doesn't matter which one you shoot. pick your
best target and put him down. the random terror
of being under sniper attack.

STLRN,

I haven't seen you here for a while, welcome back...

please send me your email address, I would like to tap your genius on a historical "arty" question...

Jim Mitchell
[email protected]

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After all you could know somthing very immportant and you take the time to shoot some NCO and you get caught or killed what does that do for your country? Absolutly nothing cause they don't have that info and now that fire base is on alert cause they know you have been nosing around. Also you are reported to the higher echolons. So now all the bases are on alert and they are activly hunting your comrades.
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Then again, is having every enemy base worried about snipers such a bad thing? If two snipers can keep 10,000 enemy soldiers busy ducking their heads down instead of doing their jobs, that seems like a very efficient use of manpower.
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Its not that that is a bad thing its that now they are activly hunting for you.  That means increased patrols.  You don't want that.

Plus is it worth getting killed over some small ranked NCO???  I dont think so.  Is it worth the lives of the choper crew if you are chased back to the LZ and they take out the chopper???I wouldn't think it would be worth the risks for some one who isnt worth the money it cost to make the bullet you would use.  Why would it be worth the lives of yourself and your spoter and possible the chopper crew?
[sniper]

From the manual: "The psychological impact of sniping can ruin the fibre and morale of an entire army, much like in WWI where the sniper's bullet was often feared far more than many other ways of dying. Only recently in US history has the military recognized the psychological impact of sustained combat, although the sniper has always contributed as much to fear as he has to fighting."

You will find that troops respond psychologically to any system that is unseen or that the troops see as immune from retribution.  A perfect example is an Arc Light strike or indirect artillery fire.  The people on the receiving end fear it because it can strike without warning and there is no way in their power to stop the attack.

Well, that precludes me shoooting anyone then. As soon as I shoot they are aware of my presence and will take counter sniper actions. While they may not have Arty oor CAS they will definately have patrols around a firebase. I'm sure the helo crew wouldn't be real fond of me leading a pissed off squad of enemy troops into the PZ. Moving fast (like while being pursued) is a great way to do something stupid. Stupid deaths suck.