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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:34:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryJust watched all three parts. LOVE that show! |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:36:43 AM EDT
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http://www.amazon.com/Thunderbolt-Extraordinary-Aviation-History-Series/dp/1885354053 This is a great book, By Robert S Johnson 
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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:40:38 AM EDT
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Damn, just came to post the video of the Dogfights episode with the P-47 and got beat.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:43:16 AM EDT
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Fucking awesome!
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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:49:32 AM EDT
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There were cases of Luftwaffe pilots literally shooting their guns dry and still not bringing P47s down.
IIRC, Gerhard Barkhorn got his thumb shot off tangling with a flight of P47s. Ended his combat flying. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:49:53 AM EDT
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One of the perks of working at Wright-Patt was seeing the occasional fly-over associated with the Air Force Museum ( BTW, I loathe the rename National Museum of the United States Air Force ).
I was sitting at a picnic bench behind the old Hilltop Gym in area B one summer day, having lunch. I looked up to see a flawless P-47 Thunderbolt and an A-10 flying in tight formation. The combined sight and sound was incredible. After a brief WTF moment, I remembered that the Warthog was officially named the Thunderbolt II, and this must be some kind of celebratory event for the Museum. This turned out to be the case. The two aircraft made at least three passes over the spot where I was sitting, and it was amazing how the two just looked like they belonged together. It was obvious the pilots were enjoying themselves, too. By the third go-around, I had a lump in my throat and tears welling up in my eyes because it was such an awesome, beautiful display. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:51:08 AM EDT
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I've got a massive erection right now Yup, me too. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 4:52:48 AM EDT
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My favorite of the European campaign! The jug is the coolest & ruggedest! I bet it could go supersonic in a steep dive if it had swivel wings like a Tomcat.
Corsair my favorite in the Eastern campaign! A great book is "Great American Fighter Pilots on WW II" By Robert D. Loomis. Thanks for the videos!!!  
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Posted: 10/26/2013 5:08:33 AM EDT
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I recognize the place! It's the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino, California. I used to visit there whenever I went to the Los Angeles area.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 5:08:48 AM EDT
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Good picture of Dick Bong. Here's another: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z120/planejanel/Who-1.jpg Note the knife. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yamamoto took a nosedive into the jungle in New Guinea, courtesy of a G Model Lightning, flown by Lt. Rex Barber. http://acesflyinghigh.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/richard_bong_in_cockpit-p-38.jpg Good picture of Dick Bong. Here's another: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z120/planejanel/Who-1.jpg Note the knife. I noticed that the first pic was Dick Bong as well. Knife = RANDALL FTW! (I have a few) |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 5:11:33 AM EDT
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P47 is epic. I would fly one over a Mustang any day of the year.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 5:16:50 AM EDT
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My favorite fighter of the war. That plane just blew shit in half. My Dad shared your sentiment. His bomb group was escorted many times by P-47s, and he found their pilots to be hardnosed protectors of the bombers. they would dive on flak emplacements that opened up and give them "the whole nine yards". |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 5:21:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2013 5:34:39 AM EDT
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Awesomeness
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Posted: 10/26/2013 6:16:06 AM EDT
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If that's the PBS doc my great uncle is mentioned in it. He flew the Jug in the same unit as the guy the doc was about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A great documentary is "A Fighter Pilot's Story" It's the story of Captain Quentin C. Aanenson, a P-47 pilot. If that's the PBS doc my great uncle is mentioned in it. He flew the Jug in the same unit as the guy the doc was about. Cool. 
Yeah, it's probably the one you saw. It's also on Netflix. Here's a clip of it. 
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Posted: 10/26/2013 6:32:28 AM EDT
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The P-47 is probably the most misunderstood fighter of WW2. Most people think of it as a sluggish gun-truck best suited for ground attack but the reality is far from that. The P-47 was actually one of the most acrobatic planes of the war. It's performance was superior or equal to the P-51 Mustang in every category except range. It's roll rate was superior to the P-51, at speed the FW-190, and comparable to the Spitfire. Despite common belief, the rate of climb after the introduction of the paddle bladed propellers were superior to the P-51, FW-190 and Spitfire. The only reason that the P-51 become the dominant fighter in the 8th Air Force was the fact that it's escort range without external fuel tanks was 475 miles which coincidentally was the max range for the P-47D with the largest external fuel tank that could be mounted. The P-47 was also horrendously expensive for a single engine fighter while the P-51 was cheap. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 7:02:33 AM EDT
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Can anyone tell me why the machine-gun barrels are "staggered?" Look at 30secs in the OP's vid to see what I mean. Long barrel, then progressively shorter. Weight on the wing maybe?
The wild thing is that someone here will know. 
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Posted: 10/26/2013 7:06:35 AM EDT
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Can anyone tell me why the machine-gun barrels are "staggered?" Look at 30secs in the OP's vid to see what I mean. Long barrel, then progressively shorter. Weight on the wing maybe? The wild thing is that someone here will know. To allow a pathway for the feed chutes for the ammunition for each gun. That would be my guess. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 7:23:25 AM EDT
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If that's the PBS doc my great uncle is mentioned in it. He flew the Jug in the same unit as the guy the doc was about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A great documentary is "A Fighter Pilot's Story" It's the story of Captain Quentin C. Aanenson, a P-47 pilot. If that's the PBS doc my great uncle is mentioned in it. He flew the Jug in the same unit as the guy the doc was about. Yep, My Great Uncle L. Gallop flew a Jug too, and a P-39. Two quotes: "You could see the cannon through the floorboards. If you ever crashed a P-39 you would get a 37mm enema." "You could light a P-51 on fire with one 7mm round," while holding up his pinky finger. He had an un-romantic view of things that I appreciated. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 7:27:07 AM EDT
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To allow a pathway for the feed chutes for the ammunition for each gun. That would be my guess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can anyone tell me why the machine-gun barrels are "staggered?" Look at 30secs in the OP's vid to see what I mean. Long barrel, then progressively shorter. Weight on the wing maybe? The wild thing is that someone here will know. To allow a pathway for the feed chutes for the ammunition for each gun. That would be my guess. This is correct . Barrels are the same length guns are staggered. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 7:48:27 AM EDT
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Yep, My Great Uncle L. Gallop flew a Jug too, and a P-39. Two quotes: "You could see the cannon through the floorboards. If you ever crashed a P-39 you would get a 37mm enema." "You could light a P-51 on fire with one 7mm round," while holding up his pinky finger. He had an un-romantic view of things that I appreciated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A great documentary is "A Fighter Pilot's Story" It's the story of Captain Quentin C. Aanenson, a P-47 pilot. If that's the PBS doc my great uncle is mentioned in it. He flew the Jug in the same unit as the guy the doc was about. Yep, My Great Uncle L. Gallop flew a Jug too, and a P-39. Two quotes: "You could see the cannon through the floorboards. If you ever crashed a P-39 you would get a 37mm enema." "You could light a P-51 on fire with one 7mm round," while holding up his pinky finger. He had an un-romantic view of things that I appreciated. That's so cool to hear that stuff. Those guys had brass balls. My great uncle was shot down and killed in '45. He's buried in Holland. Jim Taylor.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 7:51:05 AM EDT
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Cool.
Yeah, it's probably the one you saw. It's also on Netflix. Here's a clip of it.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fx9f-ccJu4&sns=emQuote HistoryQuoted:
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A great documentary is "A Fighter Pilot's Story" It's the story of Captain Quentin C. Aanenson, a P-47 pilot. If that's the PBS doc my great uncle is mentioned in it. He flew the Jug in the same unit as the guy the doc was about. Cool.
Yeah, it's probably the one you saw. It's also on Netflix. Here's a clip of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fx9f-ccJu4&sns=emLink to Netflix? Cant seem to find it. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 7:53:19 AM EDT
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Yamamoto took a nosedive into the jungle in New Guinea, courtesy of a G Model Lightning, flown by Lt. Rex Barber. http://acesflyinghigh.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/richard_bong_in_cockpit-p-38.jpg That's America's Ace of Aces, Richard Ira Bong from Poplar, WI. He was killed testing the P-80. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 7:55:15 AM EDT
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There were cases of Luftwaffe pilots literally shooting their guns dry and still not bringing P47s down. IIRC, Gerhard Barkhorn got his thumb shot off tangling with a flight of P47s. Ended his combat flying. That was Gunther Rall. And he continued to fly. ETA: I believe it was determined the 56th FG was who did it. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:02:07 AM EDT
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Can anyone tell me why the machine-gun barrels are "staggered?" Look at 30secs in the OP's vid to see what I mean. Long barrel, then progressively shorter. Weight on the wing maybe? The wild thing is that someone here will know. 
ammunition feeding. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:02:13 AM EDT
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That's so cool to hear that stuff. Those guys had brass balls. My great uncle was shot down and killed in '45. He's buried in Holland. Jim Taylor.
And God bless him. Uncle Lloyd was shot down a couple of times- the second time he bailed out low and hit so hard he was measured to be almost two inches shorter after he was brought back to base. I think he was released after that. He said it was all ground fire. He hardly ever saw the Luftwaffe. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:15:36 AM EDT
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I have a customer who rebuilds those. He had 6 complete Trainer Versions in his garage the last time I was there....they just needed to be "assembled"
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:30:26 AM EDT
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Can anyone tell me why the machine-gun barrels are "staggered?" Look at 30secs in the OP's vid to see what I mean. Long barrel, then progressively shorter. Weight on the wing maybe? The wild thing is that someone here will know. http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/aviation/6218d1299758793t-whats-purpose-p-47s-protruding-barrel-sleeves-p-47_ammo_478.jpg ammunition feeding. Now THAT reached me to climax..... whew...I'm spent. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:35:25 AM EDT
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That was Gunther Rall. And he continued to fly. ETA: I believe it was determined the 56th FG was who did it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There were cases of Luftwaffe pilots literally shooting their guns dry and still not bringing P47s down. IIRC, Gerhard Barkhorn got his thumb shot off tangling with a flight of P47s. Ended his combat flying. That was Gunther Rall. And he continued to fly. ETA: I believe it was determined the 56th FG was who did it. Thanks for the correction!
Rall later flew F86s for the Luftwaffe post-war, IIRC. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:47:54 AM EDT
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1. People just don't appreciate how big that mofo is. The Germans were amazed at its size in comparison to the ME/BF 109.
2. It is surprising how many survived since they had little civilian value commercially. 3. Wasn't it Gabby Gabreski who snagged a runway he was strafing with his prop resulting in his capture? 4. Coming back with grass-stained props was consider good bull. 5. Can you imagine the shit-fuck fear you would have if you were attacked by one or more while you were in a truck, train, or just waling your ass off? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:51:55 AM EDT
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Now THAT reached me to climax..... whew...I'm spent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can anyone tell me why the machine-gun barrels are "staggered?" Look at 30secs in the OP's vid to see what I mean. Long barrel, then progressively shorter. Weight on the wing maybe? The wild thing is that someone here will know. http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/aviation/6218d1299758793t-whats-purpose-p-47s-protruding-barrel-sleeves-p-47_ammo_478.jpg ammunition feeding. Now THAT reached me to climax..... whew...I'm spent.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:59:41 AM EDT
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They can build all they want, if they phase out 100ll in 2018, and do not have a viable option for these engines we are grounded
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:00:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They made those aircraft in Evansville, IN. When I was a kid we used to fly model airplanes on the tarmac in front of the old plant. It's all long gone now. The majority of the Republic plant was turned into Sunbeam Plastic's annex and sat where the new Dress Regional Terminal is now along highway 57. The section that has been the Whirlpool plant was still operating last time I was home. Whirlpool made M-16 magazines and hand-grenade cases there in the '60s. They also had the LST shipyard in Evansville...and they had a couple of ammunition factories over near Bosse Field in the old Chrysler plant (long gone). I've still got an unopened box of .45 acp from the Evansville Ordinance plant.    Evansville did their share during the war. A couple farmers I know down in the Geneva-Alzey bottoms grew hemp for the war effort.  |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:01:15 AM EDT
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Can you imagine the shit-fuck fear you would have if you were attacked by one or more while you were in a truck, train, or just waling your ass off? 8 Fifty Cals set to converge at the same point would definitely get your attention. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:15:26 AM EDT
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Nice Razorback in there.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:23:18 AM EDT
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It's cool that the Warthog is a descendant of the Thunderbolt./span] In fact the full designation of the A-10 is "A-10 Thunderbolt II"
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:26:36 AM EDT
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The P-47 was also horrendously expensive for a single engine fighter while the P-51 was cheap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The P-47 is probably the most misunderstood fighter of WW2. Most people think of it as a sluggish gun-truck best suited for ground attack but the reality is far from that. The P-47 was actually one of the most acrobatic planes of the war. It's performance was superior or equal to the P-51 Mustang in every category except range. It's roll rate was superior to the P-51, at speed the FW-190, and comparable to the Spitfire. Despite common belief, the rate of climb after the introduction of the paddle bladed propellers were superior to the P-51, FW-190 and Spitfire. The only reason that the P-51 become the dominant fighter in the 8th Air Force was the fact that it's escort range without external fuel tanks was 475 miles which coincidentally was the max range for the P-47D with the largest external fuel tank that could be mounted. The P-47 was also horrendously expensive for a single engine fighter while the P-51 was cheap. Part of the expense was the routing of the supercharger ducting which also contributed to its ruggedness. The B17 v B24 comparison was similar. B24 was much easier to manufacture but that came at the price of some vulnerability to combat damage. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:26:51 AM EDT
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They were talking about that on the LST when I toured it a number of times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They made those aircraft in Evansville, IN. When I was a kid we used to fly model airplanes on the tarmac in front of the old plant. It's all long gone now. They were talking about that on the LST when I toured it a number of times. I think theres still a few at the bottom of the river |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:33:22 AM EDT
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Most awesome thread of the Month.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:36:26 AM EDT
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Can of whoop ass with wings
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:40:03 AM EDT
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Thuds rule!
Thanks for sharing
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:42:02 AM EDT
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I like some ww2 era planes but most of those prop-jobs were just plane fugly, like the Wildcat. Just a bulging tube of a body with stuby wings. The Hellcat was better looking. The Corsair and the Mustang otoh were sexy lookin airframes!
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:43:54 AM EDT
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Can of whoop ass with wings Don't forget the 2000 hp Turbo-Supercharged, Water Injected PW Double Wasp.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:44:01 AM EDT
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They were also built in Farmingdale L.I. N.Y. just a few miles away from Grumman Aerospace where i worked building the Mighty F-14 Tomcat!
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:45:19 AM EDT
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1. People just don't appreciate how big that mofo is. The Germans were amazed at its size in comparison to the ME/BF 109. 2. It is surprising how many survived since they had little civilian value commercially. 3. Wasn't it Gabby Gabreski who snagged a runway he was strafing with his prop resulting in his capture? 4. Coming back with grass-stained props was consider good bull. 5. Can you imagine the shit-fuck fear you would have if you were attacked by one or more while you were in a truck, train, or just waling your ass off? Yes. Gabreski say he was shooting high so he nudges the nose down a bit like he knew he shouldn't. On the ruggedness of the Jug, Gabreski on one occasion came back with 2 cylinders of his engine shot away. On another he had a 30mm slug lodged between 2 of the cylinders. Another pilot famously hunkered down behind his armored seat and let the German pilot run out of ammo trying to shoot him down. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 9:54:11 AM EDT
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Love the Jug.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:23:46 AM EDT
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My dad was stationed in England (B-17 tail gunner) when the Jugs came on scene.
He said the brits rolled out the passenger ladder thinking there were people in the back. I guess it was kinda big compared to a Spit. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:40:34 AM EDT
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I was told by a guy with lots of warbird time that the P-47 was pretty easy to fly.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:43:37 AM EDT
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I was told by a guy with lots of warbird time that the P-47 was pretty easy to fly. Id believe it. |
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