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Agreed. Such is their right, and what makes this country America. That, and the English language. |
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NOT racist and perfectly admirable policy of the op's dealer. +$50 guy can huff putrid moldy donkey nutsacks. I am fucking pissed I tried to speak spanish when I went to mexico on vacation, cuz they MOVE here and refuse to learn the local lingo. Bienvenidos al ciudad del Toro MS-13!!!!
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Hey, believe me, I'm all for English as the official language. I just don't think anyone should be penalized for overachieving and learning TWO whole languages. |
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Wow this thread went bad fast. IMHO if you come up to me and I can barely understand what you are trying to say im not going to sell you a gun. Period.
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Cool. The businessman is allowed his own policy. Again, we agreed the business owner's policy should be his own for his own detriment or gain. |
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I meant "we all" as in human beings. |
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teh second post is the best post. |
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Okay... |
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That sign is both totally reasonable, and unreasonable at the same time. It is reasonable, in that what it is trying to accomplish is good. The guy wants people to be able to speak English, and they will only do so if not doing so causes them some inconvenience. It is, however, unreasonable in that there are many legal, bi-lingual immigrants in this country. You are always most comfortable speaking your native language, you think in your native language, and there are things you might want to convey that can only be conveyed in your native tongue. On the other hand, I am a native born American, my family has been in this country since before the Revolutionary War. However, my sister and I both studied Japanese high school, and speak it to each over with frequency and fluency. There are many times we will speak Japanese in public so that bystanders don't understand what we are saying. I, a native born American, whose family has shed blood in every American war from the Revolution to WWII, should not be denied service because I chose to talk to someone in another language.
That being said, I think English should be the official language. Beyond that, I think English should be the ONLY language, insofar as government printed literature, forms, pamphlets, etc are concerned. I have no problem with people immigrating to the United States. However, if they desire to live here and be a productive part of society, they should plan ahead and learn enough English to get by. When people want to come here to go to school, nine times out of ten they must take the TOEFL (test of English as a foreign language) to make sure they can communicate in, and understand English at an acceptable level. If this is considered acceptable for those who simply want to come here temporarily for school, why is not acceptable to expect the same of those who would come here permanently? So, as stated before, I both agree and disagree with the sign. |
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I notice on this forum that there is a hyper-sensitivity to any perceived racism.
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that sign is fucking bullshit. i wouldn't sell a gun to an englishman. just last week we had an illegal immigrant from the uk running around with a gun in glacier park.
if you want to buy a gun you better be speaking american goddamnit! |
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I'm willing to bet 99% of the members (give/take 1%) on this site are racist anyways. You may not think that way and may not believe it, but I'm willing to bet on that. |
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I can see it now...
Customer: Do you mind if I pick up this Beretta? Dealer: HEY, GET OUT OF HERE YOU ITALIAN SPEAKING SON OF A BITCH! |
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There is growing evidence that the human brain has a "built in" capacity for language that is purely symbolic - a symbolic processor. When we "learn" a language, we make a "map" which relates that language to our built in symbolic processor. Evidence for this can be found in several places. For instance, deaf babies born to (both) deaf parents "babble" in sign language, because their symbolic processor latches on to the "language" around them even though it's sign language. Also, when two languages are mixed in an informal way, the result is called a "polyglot". There are hundreds of polyglots all over the world, and they all have the same grammar and syntax. One day we will understand how our built in symbolic processor works, and then we can "design" a world language that is best suited for how our brains work. |
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Has nothing to do with race. For example, I love Italians, but you can bet it would be a pain in the ass for me to try to sell a gun to a guy that only speaks Italian. If you can't speak the dominant language in this country then why should I have to go through to trouble of trying to figure out what you mean? Perfectly understandable. |
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The problem with this is that some races are genetically predisposed to learning a specific type of language. Scientific American -- Genetic Basis for Language Tones Asians and some Africans are missing two modern genes--ASPM and Microcephalin--that are correlated with non-tonal languages such as English. |
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Fascinating. However, I don't see where it says that those who speak tonal languages are incapable of learning non-tonal ones. Besides, I was talking about <CoC Violation>. ETA: Yeah, that was wrong. Me sorry. |
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My Grandfather on my mothers side emigrated from China to the United States in the early 20's. I'm sure most of us know that Chinese is a tonal language. Even so, he was able to teach himself to read, write, and speak English fluently. You know why? He did it because there weren't a bunch of libtards around back then to tell us we should all accommodate him by learning Cantonese. I believe, that given time and necessity, the speaker of any language can learn any other language. |
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Right you are!! |
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As much as I think its in poor taste, I don't think the sign itself is racist. How the business owner decides to follow his own sign, I suppose could be considered racist though.
Somebody speaking another language with a buddy, then turning around and speaking english and wishing to purchase an item getting denied. But then again, it would be the business owners right to deny business to anyone for whatever reason he likes even if it is because hes a racist. This reminds me of the scene from the recent movie "Crash" where a gun store owner decides to renig on a revolver sale just because the guy was speaking in another language to his daughter, who was more or less translating for him. The dealer called him "Osama" -even though the man was Persian. Ignorant is usually the image anti-gunners have of gun owners and gun dealers, which, imo, this scene was probably subtley conveying in the film. And when gun show dealers like that put signs like that up, it only confirms it. |
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Straw purchases at PA gunshows are a huge problem right now. According to a friend that occasionally sells at these shows the majority involve illegals trying to purchase firearms . PA laws aren't as restrictive as the local states ,so they come here trying to buy . Not only is he protecting himself ,but he's making a statement. He's taking a stand . |
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anti straw purchase policy and nothing more= no problem
doing it to make a statement = I wont buy a gun from you.... without personally knowing the guy how can you say.... |
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That's exactly how I saw it. My eye was caught by a very hot latina girl. I noticed she was in the company of 3 nasty looking hispanic hombres. "Straw purchase" came to mind. |
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I laughed. |
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You're on crack. |
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Yup. I'm, a naturalized US citizen, and my mother told me that after she married my father, she made him read to her nightly in English. She was British, he was Russian and German, and although he was fluent in a half dozen languages, English was not one of them. Knowing they would be emigrating to the States, they decided this was the best course of action for them to take. I have zero sympathy for people who won't take the time to learn English, especially those that are already here. |
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it's not, it's the new buzz word on this website, the man can sell to ever he wishes, english is the offical language in the divided states of america |
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in each case it is their business, and they can conduct it as they please. no one is forced to conduct business with them
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If your in any other country, they expect us to speak their language. They need to speak English or American.
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That's not true. You can travel through most of Europe speaking only English with no difficulty at all. |
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Mike, You've stated on a number of occasions that you feel rather anonymous because your name, but keep in mind that you have also posted enough information on the boards to be tracked down. Just a heads up in case you are as paranoid as I am. - BG |
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