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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:19:13 PM EDT
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Everybody is guilty of something--and life feels different when there is a cop car in your rear-view mirror. At least mine does. As the Panopticon becomes a reality, we will all have cop cars in our rear-view mirrors 24/7. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:21:33 PM EDT
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Everybody is guilty of something--and life feels different when there is a cop car in your rear-view mirror. At least mine does. As the Panopticon becomes a reality, we will all have cop cars in our rear-view mirrors 24/7. I'm already used to it. But that's because I have a communist neighbor who logs my every action. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:23:13 PM EDT
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Can't be true... I have been assured by members here that Edward Snowden was full of shit and that our own government spying on us was pure BS.  Before you tug yourself off out of the gate, this is definitely one thing that nobody here denied. If some criminal stuff you are doing gets picked up during surveillance by another entity, it's required that it gets passed to the law enforcement entity with jurisdiction. No different than a car search for weed turning up a brick of C4. Off to the ATF you go for persecution. Or whatever. It's a large point of contention among various agencies. Not to mention that any information on US entities (people, firms, etc) has to be destroyed in a relatively short window if not part of an active investigation. The NSA does stuff for all agencies within the scope of their individual missions, instead of each agency having their own redundant mini NSA. IIRC, the thing that was contested was the idea that the NSA is running some sort of "persons of interest" ultra computer than sees everything, all the time, no matter what. That's still not the case. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Yeah. I know. That has nothing to do with what I posted, or what the op said. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:25:25 PM EDT
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I will shed no tears for those involved in such doings, whatever the fates may decree fall upon them. Pay raises, good benifit packages, and good retirement plans? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:26:31 PM EDT
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All the pieces are falling into place.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:26:56 PM EDT
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Can't be true... I have been assured by members here that Edward Snowden was full of shit and that our own government spying on us was pure BS. Before you tug yourself off out of the gate, this is definitely one thing that nobody here denied. If some criminal stuff you are doing gets picked up during surveillance by another entity, it's required that it gets passed to the law enforcement entity with jurisdiction. No different than a car search for weed turning up a brick of C4. Off to the ATF you go for persecution. Or whatever. It's a large point of contention among various agencies. Not to mention that any information on US entities (people, firms, etc) has to be destroyed in a relatively short window if not part of an active investigation. The NSA does stuff for all agencies within the scope of their individual missions, instead of each agency having their own redundant mini NSA. IIRC, the thing that was contested was the idea that the NSA is running some sort of "persons of interest" ultra computer than sees everything, all the time, no matter what. That's still not the case. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Yeah. I know. That has nothing to do with what I posted, or what the op said. Obviously not. You don't understand the danger that comes with allowing what the NSA is doing to continue and how repugnant it is to what the founders wanted. It is Orwell's Big Brother. It is what we were warned about. It is what you still don't give a shit about. The 4th was supposed to protect the people from the overly broad general warrants that the British engaged in to oppress the American colonists. Now the NSA is just "doing stuff for all agencies". With how many overly broad laws we have in this country, you don't see a problem with this? |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:27:55 PM EDT
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We deserve every bit of it. When the stasi er FBI is kicking every innocent persons door it's our fault for not being vigilant enough. It's a lot easier to just watch American Idol and be offended by Donald Trump sidewalk drawings than it is to fight for freedom.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:30:43 PM EDT
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Obviously not. You don't understand the danger that comes with allowing what the NSA is doing to continue and how repugnant it is to what the founders wanted. It is Orwell's Big Brother. It is what we were warned about. It is what you still don't give a shit about. Lol. My post had nothing to do with my opinion. Just separating fact and fantasy for the occasional reader who didn't learn about the NSA from watching eagle eye. You see things that are not there. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:30:44 PM EDT
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:43:04 PM EDT
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Not like anyone is going to do anything about it other than whine on the internet. Free reign for the tyrants pretty much.
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Posted: 4/21/2016 11:49:40 PM EDT
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... The 4th was supposed to protect the people from the overly broad general warrants that the British engaged in to oppress the American colonists. Now the NSA is just "doing stuff for all agencies". With how many overly broad laws we have in this country, you don't see a problem with this? The overly broad laws I don't really care about. What really bothers me is that nobody knows all the laws that apply at a given moment in a given place. No lawyer, no judge, no police officer can list all of the laws applying. There are an uncountable number of laws that have to be followed, with several of them actually conflicting. In other words, if TheMan™ wants you in jail, TheMan™ puts you in jail, and it's your job to prove you are innocent since ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. Only temporary solution is to not invite TheMan™ into your life or do anything that TheMan™ may find questionable, such as posting on this forum. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:01:23 AM EDT
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The overly broad laws I don't really care about. What really bothers me is that nobody knows all the laws that apply at a given moment in a given place. No lawyer, no judge, no police officer can list all of the laws applying. There are an uncountable number of laws that have to be followed, with several of them actually conflicting. In other words, if TheMan™ wants you in jail, TheMan™ puts you in jail, and it's your job to prove you are innocent since ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. Only temporary solution is to not invite TheMan™ into your life or do anything that TheMan™ may find questionable, such as posting on this forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... The 4th was supposed to protect the people from the overly broad general warrants that the British engaged in to oppress the American colonists. Now the NSA is just "doing stuff for all agencies". With how many overly broad laws we have in this country, you don't see a problem with this? The overly broad laws I don't really care about. What really bothers me is that nobody knows all the laws that apply at a given moment in a given place. No lawyer, no judge, no police officer can list all of the laws applying. There are an uncountable number of laws that have to be followed, with several of them actually conflicting. In other words, if TheMan™ wants you in jail, TheMan™ puts you in jail, and it's your job to prove you are innocent since ignorance of the law isn't an excuse. Only temporary solution is to not invite TheMan™ into your life or do anything that TheMan™ may find questionable, such as posting on this forum. That's always been the intent. If you speak out against the "TheMan", then they will take action. Just ask Dinesh D'Souza about speaking out. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:12:27 AM EDT
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Just being a member here or any website like this, hell even attending a gun show, will be "cause" for criminal investigation soon.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:22:59 AM EDT
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Just being a member here or any website like this, hell even attending a gun show, will be "cause" for criminal investigation soon. It already is cause for "assumption of guilt by association". AR15.com blamed for Newton killings There are other incidents, such as the San Bernadino shooting where this site is mentioned by name to associate it with 'bad', along with most other mass shootings post Newton. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:24:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:29:21 AM EDT
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Land of the free and home of the brave.  Shit like this just about makes one hope for an EMP. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:30:26 AM EDT
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Secret courts,
 
America has fallen so far, our fore fathers would be ashamed of what we have become. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:32:10 AM EDT
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We were assured by top men on this very board that such a thing is unpossible. And they promised this was just built for recording meta data not recording actual email content and such.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:33:12 AM EDT
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All the pieces are falling into place. Not surprised at the fact it is happening. It is in mans nature to want to rule over other men. The socialisms of the world will always outnumber the free countries. I am, however, in awe of how quickly it's happening. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:36:42 AM EDT
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They should have no problem mining Hillary's crimes then...
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:38:38 AM EDT
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Secret courts,
America has fallen so far, our fore fathers would be ashamed of what we have become. The fact that there is a secret court should spark a revolution and immediate overthrow of this tyrannical government, but the Kardashians are on tv so maybe tomorrow. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:42:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2016 1:37:16 AM EDT
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And they promised this was just built for recording meta data not recording actual email content and such.
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We were assured by top men on this very board that such a thing is unpossible. And they promised this was just built for recording meta data not recording actual email content and such.
http://www.sott.net/image/s7/142251/full/NSA_20Phone_20Records_205.jpg They need that much because if a file only contains 8 bytes, it uses up 16kB on the hard drive... So why not just store 15kB of data instead of just 8 bytes instead... |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 1:39:39 AM EDT
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Fuck that-
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Posted: 4/22/2016 1:56:53 AM EDT
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Rand Paul and all that.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:11:36 AM EDT
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Tell me again why we need a secret court instead of a public court to try in absentia? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The part where we have secret courts is more disturbing. That's the sort of crap the USSR, Nazis, and East Germany had. I have to disagree. We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here. To make sure the terrorists don't get into the secret court and give back information to their friends that they can use against us. DUH |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:14:22 AM EDT
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And they promised this was just built for recording meta data not recording actual email content and such.
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We were assured by top men on this very board that such a thing is unpossible. And they promised this was just built for recording meta data not recording actual email content and such.
http://www.sott.net/image/s7/142251/full/NSA_20Phone_20Records_205.jpg What ever happened to the Utah senator that wanted to cut off power and water to the facility? |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:17:39 AM EDT
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I have to disagree. We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The part where we have secret courts is more disturbing. That's the sort of crap the USSR, Nazis, and East Germany had. I have to disagree. We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here. Top drones. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:26:08 AM EDT
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This is exactly what the Justice Department said wouldn't happen. I guess they were to busy investigating the small town PD's to stop this.
Didn't the NSA also say they would only use this in terrorism cases? I honestly am extremely disappointed in the Republicans who said we had to have this program to stop 9/11 style attacks and we would be unpatriotic if we stopped the funding for these programs and so on. How is catching johnny pot dealer making this country safe? Warrantless searches like this, should be just like using evidence stolen from a defendant and given to the police, fruit of the forbidden tree. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:30:58 AM EDT
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Well the next thing is discovering that they keep extensive files on just about everyone.
Everything. Right now it's just for politicians who might not otherwise go along with true prosperity. They will get down to climate change deniers, gun owners, anti establishment activists, right wingers you know, otherwise law abiding folks like you and I. Kulaks if you will.
You see those dumbasses following lil kimmy around with scratch paper writing down the stupid shit he says? That is our future.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:32:11 AM EDT
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When our federal law enforcement is functionally indistinguishable from the Stassi, perhaps the site needs to re-evaluate that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Federal Law Enforcement. Be careful, this is a pro-law enforcement site. No matter what. When our federal law enforcement is functionally indistinguishable from the Stassi, perhaps the site needs to re-evaluate that. lol Good luck. Dick sucking and kid gloves are the only way you can approach the subject here. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:45:37 AM EDT
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eff the government. welcome to the secret police state. people should be going to jail over this. Just imagine what you don't know about yet. 
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Posted: 4/22/2016 2:48:03 AM EDT
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Land of the free and home of the brave. *some restrictions may apply *void where prohibited *does not include previous incentives or offers, not valid in all states. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:10:40 AM EDT
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How is any of this legal? The government is fast approaching the illegitimate status.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:21:32 AM EDT
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We were assured by top men on this very board that such a thing is unpossible. What kind of men? Top men Cite. If anything I love pointing fingers. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:29:18 AM EDT
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If I could secure water delivery, I'd buy some of that $200/acre land around Van Horn, TX and I'd be done with this bullshit.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 3:39:12 AM EDT
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How is any of this legal? The government is fast approaching the illegitimate status. Approaching? Did you file a tax return this year? If so, why? |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 6:33:21 AM EDT
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INCTCJSBA
It's not called THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM by accident. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 7:11:41 AM EDT
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They should have no problem mining Hillary's crimes then... http://jtf.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/hillary-clinton-laughing.jpg Funny how no one in COngress "investigating" her emails has said th NSA can at least supply the metadata for lol of them. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 7:17:05 AM EDT
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To make sure the terrorists don't get into the secret court and give back information to their friends that they can use against us. DUH Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The part where we have secret courts is more disturbing. That's the sort of crap the USSR, Nazis, and East Germany had. I have to disagree. We actually NEED secret courts, so we can try Americans in abstentia, and then kill them with drones. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, here. To make sure the terrorists don't get into the secret court and give back information to their friends that they can use against us. DUH So in the secret court your are presumed guilty instead of innocent? |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 7:26:24 AM EDT
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How is any of this legal? The government is fast approaching the illegitimate status. Because they have more guns than you. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 7:28:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/secret-court-takes-another-bite-out-fourth-amendment The ruling confirms that NSA's warrantless spying has been formally approved for use in general criminal investigations. The national security justification has been entirely blown. That's because the secret court, over the objection of its hand-selected amicus, determined that once information is collected by the NSA for "foreign intelligence" purposes under section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act, that information can be searched by the FBI for regular criminal investigations without any need for a warrant or prior court oversight. Although the FISC has signed off on the FBI's procedures claiming this authority for years, this ruling from late 2015 may be the first time the FISC has actually considered their legality. Section 702 is the law that the government uses to conduct two massive NSA programs: access to communications as they travel the Internet backbone (called Upstream) and access to communications stored with service providers like Google and Facebook (called Prism). According to this ruling, communications like email and Facebook posts collected by the government under the broad authority of section 702 that the FBI has access to—including all "raw" Prism data—can be mined for any "evidence of a crime" and used against you, even if you're inside the United States. Elkins v. United States. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 7:44:56 AM EDT
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Instead of that, how about fuck you, government.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:08:55 AM EDT
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The blame rests solely on the GOPe on this.
They created it and maintained it. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:14:55 AM EDT
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public internet postings should be private!
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:30:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:32:39 AM EDT
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We were assured by top men on this very board that such a thing is unpossible. Yes we were. It turns out that a government given any power abuses the power given . Stalin and Mao would have been proud to have this kind of surveillance . |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:33:51 AM EDT
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You got to be fucking Joshing me
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:35:00 AM EDT
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Before you tug yourself off out of the gate, this is definitely one thing that nobody here denied. If some criminal stuff you are doing gets picked up during surveillance by another entity, it's required that it gets passed to the law enforcement entity with jurisdiction. No different than a car search for weed turning up a brick of C4. Off to the ATF you go for persecution. Or whatever. It's a large point of contention among various agencies. Not to mention that any information on US entities (people, firms, etc) has to be destroyed in a relatively short window if not part of an active investigation. The NSA does stuff for all agencies within the scope of their individual missions, instead of each agency having their own redundant mini NSA. IIRC, the thing that was contested was the idea that the NSA is running some sort of "persons of interest" ultra computer than sees everything, all the time, no matter what. That's still not the case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't be true... I have been assured by members here that Edward Snowden was full of shit and that our own government spying on us was pure BS. Before you tug yourself off out of the gate, this is definitely one thing that nobody here denied. If some criminal stuff you are doing gets picked up during surveillance by another entity, it's required that it gets passed to the law enforcement entity with jurisdiction. No different than a car search for weed turning up a brick of C4. Off to the ATF you go for persecution. Or whatever. It's a large point of contention among various agencies. Not to mention that any information on US entities (people, firms, etc) has to be destroyed in a relatively short window if not part of an active investigation. The NSA does stuff for all agencies within the scope of their individual missions, instead of each agency having their own redundant mini NSA. IIRC, the thing that was contested was the idea that the NSA is running some sort of "persons of interest" ultra computer than sees everything, all the time, no matter what. That's still not the case. Fourth Amendment FOURTH AMENDMENT: AN OVERVIEW I. INTERESTS PROTECTED The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." The ultimate goal of this provision is to protect people’s right to privacy and freedom from arbitrary governmental intrusions. Private intrusions not acting in the color of governmental authority are exempted from the Fourth Amendment. To have standing to claim protection under the Fourth Amendment, one must first demonstrate an expectation of privacy, which is not merely a subjective expectation in mind but an expectation that society is prepared to recognized as reasonable under the circumstances. For instance, warrantless searches of private premises are mostly prohibited unless there are justifiable exceptions; on the other hand, a warrantless seizure of abandoned property usually does not violate the Fourth Amendment. Moreover, the Fourth Amendment protection does not expand to governmental intrusion and information collection conducted upon open fields. An Expectation of privacy in an open field is not considered reasonable. However, there are some exceptions where state authorities granted protection to open fields. A bivens action can be filed against federal law enforcement officials for damages resulting from an unlawful search and seizure. States can always establish higher standards for searches and seizures than the Fourth Amendment requires, but states cannot allow conduct that violates the Fourth Amendment. The protection under the Fourth Amendment can be waived if one voluntarily consents to or does not object to evidence collected during a warrantless search or seizure. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:38:03 AM EDT
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