Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The entire product of mankind is nothing but a pimple on Mother Nature's butt. Not really...  Earth, I can agree with.  When you are talking about a giant rock floating through space.   But in terms of life on planet earth... to think we are not causing dramatic changes to "mother nature" is quite insane.  Would rivers be catching on fire if man wasn't around... would shark populations in the North Atlantic be down over 85% from a hundred years ago... would entire species of animals and plants be wiped out daily?   The thought that we don't have an effect on LIFE on the planet is just wrong.  But I agree 100% that there is no way humans can alter the orbit, speed or direction of this earth... but we are causing dramatic changes to the miniscule portion of this planet that is able to sustain life.   Dude, you are wrong. Most of the animal species (and plants) that have lived on the earth (way greater than 95%) are EXTINCT! and this occured when there were no humans. Get a life and read a real book now and again instead of your liberal propaganda. Humans are not as powerful as some think.

Chuck Norris is.

Oil and coke combined will destroy the planet through global warming. Only the dynamic duo of Chuck Norris and Flying Spaghetti Monster combined shall bring us salvation from this horrible fate.

This planet is just a launching pad for us to colonize other planets...I could really care less if it won't sustain life forever...

Common sense polluted by junk science is convincing to the true believers but nonetheless false.  For instance, of the 186 billion tons of CO2 introduced to the atmosphere each year only 18 million tons are caused by human action.  So even if we are gullible enough to let the America haters have their way we will not significantly impact GW.  We will in fact cause catastrophic damage to the US if we are ill-informed enough to let our elected tyrants enact the Kyoto Accords!!  

Regardless of what does or does not happen to the atmosphere and the holy ENVIRONEMENT the little piss ant we call man will have absolutely no effect.  Not in the short term and certainly not in the long term.

I'll refer to a good source tomorrow. I'm moving and can't find anything right now!

God please help me - I'm in dial-up Hell!!

Liberals != Logical

Same people will tell you we have to cut CO2 emissions at all cost when we contribute so little and then tell you drilling in ANWR will contribute so little to the world oil supply we should not do it...

Their agenda is not to save the planet, animals, or humans, it is to make them feel good about themselves at all costs. Reality DOES NOT factor here.

wont matter after 2012...

Quoted: Quoted: It should be easy enough to determine the CO2 content of our atmosphere historically and estimate where it's going.  Having not read the book, I wonder how he is estimating future volcanic outgassing.  As far as some mentioning how much CO2 people put into the atmosphere, it's a minor thing.  People have only been around a short time and I doubt in a few hundred million years that we would have been anything but a tiny blip in history.   There's also the long term evolution of plants to consider as some require less CO2 than others.  How much time that would buy the world... who knows.   When talking about hundreds of millions of years, there's a lot that can happen, but a consistant downward trend in CO2 levels is hard to argue with if the data confirms it. Interesting theory.  Is it a good read? That is because they can't. For goodness sake, we can barely predict the weather ten days into the future! They (the scientists that write all these books about the future) don't really know about the future and not as much as they think they do regarding the past.

You are correct in the sense they can't predict "how much and when" will be made available but they can make reaonably accurate estimates on how much Co2 "would be" available. And it is that data that is used for the predictions. Obviously if most of that Co2 is NOT made available through eruptions, etc. the consequences will occur sooner rather than later.

Quoted: This planet is just a launching pad for us to colonize other planets...I could really care less if it won't sustain life forever...

Future humans will care if we cannot reach a habitable planet.

OMG!!! Everyone start breathing harder!!

<---- Tell me about it  

Quoted: wont matter after 2012...

Shouldn't this be moved to the religion forum?

I don't like scraping ice off my windshield, so I say bring on the global warming!

What we need are power plants that turn O2 and hydrocarbons into Carbon Dioxide and water so we can save the trees. Oh, wait...So what do we do once we run out of hydrocarbons to burn? Anyone have any good ideas?

Where is all the carbon going to anyways? I bet if we figure that out we'll have a great source of carbon to keep the trees alive.

Does it strike anyone else as odd that we're trying to figure out how to save the trees? Isn't that the Libs' job?

Oh, wait, they're too busy doing it wrong, as always.

I think in 100 million years, we will either have long ceased to exist, or have evolved a great deal as a species physically and in terms of technology we could at the very least manipulate the atmosphere of this planet to suit our needs (at best, build our own solar system).

would entire species of animals and plants be wiped out daily?

Extinction is normal, it has been going on for millions of years.

The global warming promoters are often clueless, a few years ago they promoted the idea that we should send Co2 generators to Mars, they would spew out Co2 and cause global warming on Mars, thus Terra forming it, making it more hospitable to humans.  Interesting idea till you consider the main component of Mars atmosphere is Co2!  What a bunch of morons!

Now they are saying that the glaciers are receding, were all going to die!  Well...if the glaciers hadn't receded we would still be in the last ice age. I was taught that we are still coming out of the last ice age, when you come out of an ice age the glaciers recede, that's a pretty simple idea, but the global warming promoters can't seem to figure that out!

20 years ago they told us about the ozone hole over Antarctica, and then Chile, it's going to expand and make the Earth uninhabitable!  Everyone will get skin cancer and die!!!!  20 years later the hole is still there, it hasn't really changed, and skin cancer is up mainly because of people intentionally trying to tan.  Turned out that ozone is constantly being destroyed and renewed by sunlight, the whole thing was a big scam!

Quoted: would entire species of animals and plants be wiped out daily? Extinction is normal, it has been going on for millions of years. The global warming promoters are often clueless, a few years ago they promoted the idea that we should send Co2 generators to Mars, they would spew out Co2 and cause global warming on Mars, thus Terra forming it, making it more hospitable to humans.  Interesting idea till you consider the main component of Mars atmosphere is Co2!  What a bunch of morons! Now they are saying that the glaciers are receding, were all going to die!  Well...if the glaciers hadn't receded we would still be in the last ice age. I was taught that we are still coming out of the last ice age, when you come out of an ice age the glaciers recede, that's a pretty simple idea, but the global warming promoters can't seem to figure that out! 20 years ago they told us about the ozone hole over Antarctica, and then Chile, it's going to expand and make the Earth uninhabitable!  Everyone will get skin cancer and die!!!!  20 years later the hole is still there, it hasn't really changed, and skin cancer is up mainly because of people intentionally trying to tan.  Turned out that ozone is constantly being destroyed and renewed by sunlight, the whole thing was a big scam!

Actually IIRC we are somewhat due for the next ice age (been 10,000 years) and only the recent warming trend seems to be holding off the onset of the end of a glaciation. When we finally do get the return of the glaciers people are gonna wish for global warming.

Quoted: Quoted: would entire species of animals and plants be wiped out daily? Extinction is normal, it has been going on for millions of years. The global warming promoters are often clueless, a few years ago they promoted the idea that we should send Co2 generators to Mars, they would spew out Co2 and cause global warming on Mars, thus Terra forming it, making it more hospitable to humans.  Interesting idea till you consider the main component of Mars atmosphere is Co2!  What a bunch of morons! Now they are saying that the glaciers are receding, were all going to die!  Well...if the glaciers hadn't receded we would still be in the last ice age. I was taught that we are still coming out of the last ice age, when you come out of an ice age the glaciers recede, that's a pretty simple idea, but the global warming promoters can't seem to figure that out! 20 years ago they told us about the ozone hole over Antarctica, and then Chile, it's going to expand and make the Earth uninhabitable!  Everyone will get skin cancer and die!!!!  20 years later the hole is still there, it hasn't really changed, and skin cancer is up mainly because of people intentionally trying to tan.  Turned out that ozone is constantly being destroyed and renewed by sunlight, the whole thing was a big scam! Actually IIRC we are somewhat due for the next ice age (been 10,000 years) and only the recent warming trend seems to be holding off the onset of the end of a glaciation. When we finally do get the return of the glaciers people are gonna wish for global warming.

Stery....its all well and good this guys theory......i mean obviously nothing is for sure when dealing with millions of years.  And nothing can be known how life will adapt.  Once oxygen was a poison.  Till life adapted.

Also just because all life will die from a change in environment millions of years from now does not mean the atmosphere will support a high level of people as it does now.  A planet that can support life is alot different from one that can support billions of humans.

It's 7* with a wind chill of -4.  I could go for some global warming right about now.

Quoted: Stery....its all well and good this guys theory......i mean obviously nothing is for sure when dealing with millions of years.  And nothing can be known how life will adapt.  Once oxygen was a poison.  Till life adapted. Also just because all life will die from a change in environment millions of years from now does not mean the atmosphere will support a high level of people as it does now.  A planet that can support life is alot different from one that can support billions of humans.

These aren't "theories." Nothing I mentioned is theoretical, the only variable is "when" and that doesn't make it a theory.

And when was oxygen poisonous and to what?

And what the hell were you trying to say with your last sentence? It doesn't make any sense. You basically said "Just because everything will die doesn't mean anything will live."

If you were trying to say there will still be life, just not humans, then you are correct and I stated as much in my original post. I specifically stated I was talking about plant and animal life and in a later post noted that only microbrial life would remain.

Quoted: Quoted: I read the "end of evolution" by Peter Ward, good book.  The only problem with your/his argument is that it doesn't include human factors....   The fact of the matter is that Co2 is on the rise, no if ands or buts, it IS NOT DECREASING.   Are you talking about in the last 100 years or in the last million? Humans are a factor but not the ultimate factor. Just as we likely cannot CAUSE runaway global warming we will not prevent the inevitable loss of Co2 in the next 500 million years.

Holy shit, that's a relief! I though this was going to happen in the next 500 years. I can sleep easier now.

There is this thing called the carbon cycle.  The global environment functions in cycles along with everything else.  Astronomers have pointed out that the temperature on Mars has warmed at the same pace as earth.  So, unless we are exporting CO2 to Mars common sense should tell you that the massive ball of fire in the sky is to blame.  Also for all of you "we are killling the earth" people, scientists predict that within a few thousand years the sun will burn off all of its hydrogen and start burning helieum causing it to become a super red giant.  Mercury and Venus will be vaporized by the sun and Earth will be a crispy rock in orbit.

And when was oxygen poisonous and to what?

I believe it wiped out the first generation of anaerobic bactreia when the aerobes took over and started increasing levels of O2 in the environment.

Edit: I would really like to see some data on this whole thing. I just finished up a my last Bio class of my Freshman year in college and the professor was pretty adamant about the idea of global warming with some pretty ominous data. Ice core and atmospheric data, corresponding nicely with the onset of the industrial revolution and they've carbon dated the carbon and found it to be the age of the large oil deposits.

Quoted: There is this thing called the carbon cycle.  The global environment functions in cycles along with everything else.  Astronomers have pointed out that the temperature on Mars has warmed at the same pace as earth.  So, unless we are exporting CO2 to Mars common sense should tell you that the massive ball of fire in the sky is to blame.  Also for all of you "we are killling the earth" people, scientists predict that within a few thousand years the sun will burn off all of its hydrogen and start burning helieum causing it to become a super red gian.  Mercury and Venus will be vaporized by the sun and Earth will be a crispy rock in orbit.

That settles it. I am moving!

Quoted: And when was oxygen poisonous and to what? I believe it wiped out the first generation of anaerobic bactreia when the aerobes took over and started increasing levels of O2 in the environment. Edit: I would really like to see some data on this whole thing. I just finished up a my last Bio class of my Freshman year in college and the professor was pretty adamant about the idea of global warming with some pretty ominous data. Ice core and atmospheric data, corresponding nicely with the onset of the industrial revolution and they've carbon dated the carbon and found it to be the age of the large oil deposits.

He doesn't really care about the environment.  He is just looking for a way to advance his socialist/communistic agenda.

Quoted: Quoted: And when was oxygen poisonous and to what? I believe it wiped out the first generation of anaerobic bactreia when the aerobes took over and started increasing levels of O2 in the environment. Edit: I would really like to see some data on this whole thing. I just finished up a my last Bio class of my Freshman year in college and the professor was pretty adamant about the idea of global warming with some pretty ominous data. Ice core and atmospheric data, corresponding nicely with the onset of the industrial revolution and they've carbon dated the carbon and found it to be the age of the large oil deposits. He doesn't really care about the environment.  He is just looking for a way to advance his socialist/communistic agenda.

Ask him how it is that Mars has Global Warming too. Don't forget to have him explain how mankind is to blame for that too.

The correct answer is "solar cycles".

Quoted: Quoted: You used the words 'fact' and 'liberal' in the same sentence.   How opposite can 2 words be? about the same as "conservative" and "free thinking"

Ouch!

Quoted: Quoted: So how did the plants get by before there were mammals emitting carbon dioxide? the atmosphere originally had a lot more CO2 and hydrogen there is lots of information on the evolution of earth's atmosphere, its an interesting subject

Yeah, dad was telling me about watching a program he watched that was archaeologically-based, that had trees that made the redwoods look like midgets.... I wish I had seen it myself, sounded REAL interesting, and the CO2 that WAS prevalent back then was at least PART of the reason plants were SO huge and prevalent.

Quoted: Current CO2 emissions are on the rise, humans are responsible for most of it as are volcanoes. So before humans or other animals you still had CO2 in the atmosphere from volcanoes.

Sorry, humans are NOT responsible for "most of it" ... Kilauea the currently active volcano in Hawaii, in it's first REAL "erruption" contributed MORE CO2 to the atmosphere than WE (humans) have in the last 50 years! Have we done SOME "contributing" to this? YES! But most? Get real.

Quoted: Only recently has it become clear that Ice ages are not the result of some Global shift, POlar Shift, Sudden distancing from the sun, or some other planetary factor, but from the existence of life itself upon the earth.  It is a cycle like any other and is created by the interaction of plant and animal life on this earth.  It is more or less a recent phenomenon as the large scale volcanic activity on Earth has slowed down, slowing the emissions of naturally occurring CO2. IT works like this...... Starting with a warm cycle, plants flourish and cover every available inch of land.  Algae and other plant life flourish in the oceans.  They consume CO2 as part of their life cycle  There is a slight imbalance in that the CO2 producing creatures could not ever keep up with, and with the slowed emissions of naturally occurring CO2, the level of CO2 in our atmosphere decreases, lessening the ability of the atmosphere to retain heat.  It begins to get colder.   The opposite happens during an Ice Age.  There is not alot of plant life, as much of the Earth is covered by ice, and the levels of CO2 slowly build.   Where I live, and where many of you live now used to be covered by Ice, maybe at one time ocean, forest, lakes, rivers, whatever.  This mentality that the Earth is changing OMG!! Life is going to END!!! is ridiculous.

Not so fast... you and I are agreeing on something... maybe the world really IS coming to an end!

Quoted: wont matter after 2012...

Quite possibly.

Quoted: I don't like scraping ice off my windshield, so I say bring on the global warming!

You're not FULLY understanding the whole dynamic of "global warming" ...

The global conveyor belt (known technically as the thermohaline circulation) operates when the heat from the sun on the Atlantic Ocean is conveyed northward by currents, heating the north Atlantic. The ocean loses its heat in the very northern reaches and can become more saline due to ice production. The cold water sinks to the bottom (forming North Atlantic Deep Water) and circulates to complete the conveyor belt.

It is believed that the pattern the earth is in at the moment will create drastic changes in the weather. For example, if the earth were to undergo a 4 to 5degree celcius change the conveyor belt may be forced to shutdown resulting in irregular weather effects across the globe.

And when the "conveyor belt" shuts down, that is LIKELY to result in a "new" Ice Age, so you will be doing MORE, not LESS scraping. Sorry.

Quoted: 20 years ago they told us about the ozone hole over Antarctica, and then Chile, it's going to expand and make the Earth uninhabitable!  Everyone will get skin cancer and die!!!!  20 years later the hole is still there, it hasn't really changed, and skin cancer is up mainly because of people intentionally trying to tan. most westerners (US, Aussies, Europeans) are VERY DEFICIENT in omega 3 fatty acids, which normally would act to protect the skin from harmful rays of the sun. Turned out that ozone is constantly being destroyed and renewed by sunlight, the whole thing was a big scam!

Fixed it for you.

Quoted: And when was oxygen poisonous and to what?

I'mm not sure what FredM was referring to, but as a "for instance" oxygen destroys omega 3's (as does heat and white light), so it's STILL a poison in some instances.

Quoted: Ask him how it is that Mars has Global Warming too. Don't forget to have him explain how mankind is to blame for that too. The correct answer is "solar cycles".

I thought it was because (for whatever reason) Mar's magnetic field shut down, because the planet's core stopped "moving" so the atmosphere no longer "protected" the planet from the sun.

Earth's core is HOT! Mars' core is COLD. I could be wrong, wasn't REALLY paying that much attention.

Quoted: There is this thing called the carbon cycle.  The global environment functions in cycles along with everything else.  Astronomers have pointed out that the temperature on Mars has warmed at the same pace as earth.  So, unless we are exporting CO2 to Mars common sense should tell you that the massive ball of fire in the sky is to blame.  Also for all of you "we are killling the earth" people, scientists predict that within a few thousand years the sun will burn off all of its hydrogen and start burning helieum causing it to become a super red giant.  Mercury and Venus will be vaporized by the sun and Earth will be a crispy rock in orbit.

You're gonna want to check your math on that one.  


 

Will I get to stop mowing my lawn?

HOly shit! some of you people are so ignorant it's not even funny. And no, going to a anti-global warming site and cutting and pasting their BS does not make you smarter it only makes you look like a sheeple. Here are some misconceptions i'll try to address. N0 1. Dont fool yourselves, on the side of the Anti-warming group are Ideologues who have no scientific training what so ever. they think because they are lawyers that somehow makes them qualified to speak about Science. Also they are the industrialists who basically see cutting down on Fossil fuels as cutting their profits plain and simple. they will say and do anything to convince stupid Americanskis of their Lies.

#2-  99% of all species are extinct. True, but so what? What does this have to do with CO2 emmissions from Man?

#3 CO2 is still only a trace amount on the Atmosphere. True, but so what? Only someone with scientific education would understand that small increases can lead to catastrophic differences in compounds. Chemicals can be measured in PPM or PPB, parts per billion or million! A perfact example is Cynaide all it takes is a few milligrams in a human that weighs Killagrams to cause death! Another is that idiot extrodinaire Dennis Miller he scoffed at the statement that the global MEAN temprature will only increase by 1 degree celsius. Hes like hey who'll notice that difference? What an ignorant fuck! only a 1 degree MEAN adjustment would spell disaster! It's hard to explain in a short post but to raise the atmosphere 1 degree requires Quadillions of kilocalories of energy! Enegry that is now trapped in the atmosphere. It's like this, raising a kettle of waters temp by one degree takes little energy, but to raise a swimming pools energy by that same one degree requires a lot of energy. And to heat the entire ocean by one degree???? that's a lot! And he does not take into account the snowball effect. Rising temps mean more condensation which means MORE heating which leads to more condensation which means MORE heat till its a runaway effect! like using a tiny spark to ignite a large amount of black powder!

#4 you people really need to learn about Chemical cycles in nature. This is one of the big  misconceptions the Anti-global warming people use to trick people into beliving their Bullshit. The Carbon cycle being the most important for this arguement. I once heard in Congress some Jackass saying that "trees" are major pollutors because they emit CO2 levels that are worse than any car! OH jesus christ! This is 100% true, but without a basic understanding of the carbon cycle. All fossil fuels are a one way process, they take CO2 that has been locked away for millions of years and put it "into" the cycle. this is pollution! a tree emits CO2 that was already in the cycle so it's putting out no more CO2 than it takes in! In fact it temporarily "locks in" Carbon to make it's body which keeps it out of the atmosphere for the life of the tree.

Quoted: We just need to bioengineer a plant that produces carbon dioxide. If everyone plants a lawn grown from a genetically altered grass seed we will all be saved.

Do they not do that when the plants die and ... wait for it ...

DECOMPOSE?

Quoted: You're not FULLY understanding the whole dynamic of "global warming" ...

Sure I do. Global warming is that lesser nations use to hoodwink environuts into slowing down the USA. So I say bring on the global warming, less ice to scrape.

Quoted: Quoted: Common sense should tell any human that we are causing dramatic changes to our climate... "Common Sense" told people of 600 years ago the Earth was Flat. "Common Sense" told people of 800 years ago the Earth was at the Center of the Solar System. "Common Sense" of 200 years ago said people could not fly. "Common Sense" of 100 years ago said peple could not go faster than sound and live. "Common Sense" of 50 years ago said people would never walk on the moon. But let's not let Scientific fact get in the way of "Common Sense" for a "feel good liberal cause".

Quoted: #3 CO2 is still only a trace amount on the Atmosphere. True, but so what? Only someone with scientific education would understand that small increases can lead to catastrophic differences in compounds. Chemicals can be measured in PPM or PPB, parts per billion or million! A perfact example is Cynaide all it takes is a few milligrams in a human that weighs Killagrams to cause death! Another is that idiot extrodinaire Dennis Miller he scoffed at the statement that the global MEAN temprature will only increase by 1 degree celsius. Hes like hey who'll notice that difference? What an ignorant fuck! only a 1 degree MEAN adjustment would spell disaster! It's hard to explain in a short post but to raise the atmosphere 1 degree requires Quadillions of kilocalories of energy! Enegry that is now trapped in the atmosphere. It's like this, raising a kettle of waters temp by one degree takes little energy, but to raise a swimming pools energy by that same one degree requires a lot of energy. And to heat the entire ocean by one degree???? that's a lot! And he does not take into account the snowball effect. Rising temps mean more condensation which means MORE heating which leads to more condensation which means MORE heat till its a runaway effect! like using a tiny spark to ignite a large amount of black powder!

You're wrong.  Ever notice that it isn't as warm when it is cloudy? Do you notice that after it rains it isn't as cold?  It is because after water condensates and rains it takes the energy out of the atmosphere.  Your primise is false, if this was the case, then it wouldn't matter if we stopped putting CO2 in the atmosphere because it is a runnway effect.

Edited for spelling

Quoted: Quoted: #3 CO2 is still only a trace amount on the Atmosphere. True, but so what? Only someone with scientific education would understand that small increases can lead to catastrophic differences in compounds. Chemicals can be measured in PPM or PPB, parts per billion or million! A perfact example is Cynaide all it takes is a few milligrams in a human that weighs Killagrams to cause death! Another is that idiot extrodinaire Dennis Miller he scoffed at the statement that the global MEAN temprature will only increase by 1 degree celsius. Hes like hey who'll notice that difference? What an ignorant fuck! only a 1 degree MEAN adjustment would spell disaster! It's hard to explain in a short post but to raise the atmosphere 1 degree requires Quadillions of kilocalories of energy! Enegry that is now trapped in the atmosphere. It's like this, raising a kettle of waters temp by one degree takes little energy, but to raise a swimming pools energy by that same one degree requires a lot of energy. And to heat the entire ocean by one degree???? that's a lot! And he does not take into account the snowball effect. Rising temps mean more condensation which means MORE heating which leads to more condensation which means MORE heat till its a runaway effect! like using a tiny spark to ignite a large amount of black powder! You're wrong.  Ever notice that it isn't as warm when it is cloudy? Do you notice that after it rains it isn't as cold?  It is because after water condensates and rains it takes the energy out of the atmosphere.  Your primise is false, if this was the case, then it wouldn't matter if we stopped putting CO2 in the atmosphere because it is a runnway effect. Edited for spelling

Actually you're wrong, condesnation of H20 gas to liquid is an exothermic process (releasing the energy to the atmosphere) then the liquid water (minus the energy lost through condensation) falls to the ground.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: #3 CO2 is still only a trace amount on the Atmosphere. True, but so what? Only someone with scientific education would understand that small increases can lead to catastrophic differences in compounds. Chemicals can be measured in PPM or PPB, parts per billion or million! A perfact example is Cynaide all it takes is a few milligrams in a human that weighs Killagrams to cause death! Another is that idiot extrodinaire Dennis Miller he scoffed at the statement that the global MEAN temprature will only increase by 1 degree celsius. Hes like hey who'll notice that difference? What an ignorant fuck! only a 1 degree MEAN adjustment would spell disaster! It's hard to explain in a short post but to raise the atmosphere 1 degree requires Quadillions of kilocalories of energy! Enegry that is now trapped in the atmosphere. It's like this, raising a kettle of waters temp by one degree takes little energy, but to raise a swimming pools energy by that same one degree requires a lot of energy. And to heat the entire ocean by one degree???? that's a lot! And he does not take into account the snowball effect. Rising temps mean more condensation which means MORE heating which leads to more condensation which means MORE heat till its a runaway effect! like using a tiny spark to ignite a large amount of black powder! You're wrong.  Ever notice that it isn't as warm when it is cloudy? Do you notice that after it rains it isn't as cold?  It is because after water condensates and rains it takes the energy out of the atmosphere.  Your primise is false, if this was the case, then it wouldn't matter if we stopped putting CO2 in the atmosphere because it is a runnway effect. Edited for spelling Actually you're wrong, condesnation of H20 gas to liquid is an exothermic process (releasing the energy to the atmosphere) then the liquid water (minus the energy lost through condensation) falls to the ground.

Right the energy is released and then the atmosphere cools back down, which debunks t-sox's armageddon view of global warming.

Quoted: HOly shit! some of you people are so ignorant it's not even funny. And no, going to a anti-global warming site and cutting and pasting their BS does not make you smarter it only makes you look like a sheeple. Here are some misconceptions i'll try to address. N0 1. Dont fool yourselves, on the side of the Anti-warming group are Ideologues who have no scientific training what so ever. they think because they are lawyers that somehow makes them qualified to speak about Science. Also they are the industrialists who basically see cutting down on Fossil fuels as cutting their profits plain and simple. they will say and do anything to convince stupid Americanskis of their Lies. #2-  99% of all species are extinct. True, but so what? What does this have to do with CO2 emmissions from Man? #3 CO2 is still only a trace amount on the Atmosphere. True, but so what? Only someone with scientific education would understand that small increases can lead to catastrophic differences in compounds. Chemicals can be measured in PPM or PPB, parts per billion or million! A perfact example is Cynaide all it takes is a few milligrams in a human that weighs Killagrams to cause death! Another is that idiot extrodinaire Dennis Miller he scoffed at the statement that the global MEAN temprature will only increase by 1 degree celsius. Hes like hey who'll notice that difference? What an ignorant fuck! only a 1 degree MEAN adjustment would spell disaster! It's hard to explain in a short post but to raise the atmosphere 1 degree requires Quadillions of kilocalories of energy! Enegry that is now trapped in the atmosphere. It's like this, raising a kettle of waters temp by one degree takes little energy, but to raise a swimming pools energy by that same one degree requires a lot of energy. And to heat the entire ocean by one degree???? that's a lot! And he does not take into account the snowball effect. Rising temps mean more condensation which means MORE heating which leads to more condensation which means MORE heat till its a runaway effect! like using a tiny spark to ignite a large amount of black powder! #4 you people really need to learn about Chemical cycles in nature. This is one of the big  misconceptions the Anti-global warming people use to trick people into beliving their Bullshit. The Carbon cycle being the most important for this arguement. I once heard in Congress some Jackass saying that "trees" are major pollutors because they emit CO2 levels that are worse than any car! OH jesus christ! This is 100% true, but without a basic understanding of the carbon cycle. All fossil fuels are a one way process, they take CO2 that has been locked away for millions of years and put it "into" the cycle. this is pollution! a tree emits CO2 that was already in the cycle so it's putting out no more CO2 than it takes in! In fact it temporarily "locks in" Carbon to make it's body which keeps it out of the atmosphere for the life of the tree.

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