Quoted: Quoted: At the end of the day while Russia is certainly a threat it will never be a superpower again. Russian GDP isn't even a trillion $. At the most generous estimates about 7% of US GDP. It has a dying population, dropping by 500,000 to 700,000 a year. Life expectancy for men isn't even 60. By Russia's own estimates their population will drop to about 110m by 2050 while US population will hit about 500m by then. Russia is actually in the beginning of a baby boom. Russian baby boom bodes well for economy Life expectancy is still a problem, though. As the economy improves and people start having kids again, that too will improve. And how much of that 500 mil do you think will be hard working citizens and how much will belong to the lumpenprole classes? While it has received a lot of money from oil and gas over the last few years Russian oil infrastructure is decaying and in need of serious investment to even keep up with current output. Outside a few fancy suburbs of Moscow and St Petersburg the country's infrastructure is crumbling and hasn't received decent investment since the 1960's. The Russian army more closely resembles a prison gang of rapists, murderers, drug traffickers and extortionists than a professional army. They might still make good hardware but they have little ability to field much of it themselves. Despite hardcore set backs - the Russians ultimately prosecuted Chechnya infinitely better than we're doing in either of our conflicts. There are also ongoing attempts to professionalize the army by introducing (for the first time ever in Russia) an NCO corps. What must hurt them most is that at no time since WWII ended has Russia had less influence in Europe. Of the former Warsaw Pact countries all of them, except Russia obviously, have joined NATO, with the expception of Albania who is due to join by the end of 2008. Eastern European countries are looking to the EU and NATO not the failed thug to the East. They can't even terrorise a small Baltic state in to doing their bidding anymore and even Belarus is going cold on them. Outside the Caucus states Russia is a weak influence in Europe. Germany, France and Britain all wield more influence than Russia in Europe. Oil is life. In Europe, increasingly, Russia controls the oil. Blackmail fear after Russia doubles the price of oil The combined GDP of the EU/NATO countries is over $30 trillion. It's a sad and pathetic sight watching Putin flap Russia's arms around screaming "look at me! look at me!" Russia is a regional European power with virtually no friends or allies anywhere in the world. Hopefully they don't decide to lash out at some point like the whiny child they are to get more attention. No friends except for China, Iran, lots in the Mid East, more in south Asia. Please rethink. Underestimating the Russians has proven to be a fatal mistake for many an empire.

+1 Yeah don't be cocky about it... They are one of the only places we can't just walk into... They have lots of nuclear weapons still... and we are merely guessing at the numbers... Thier land is very harsh to invade... if we ever had too.... bombing is no good when thier entire country is one giant bunker (seriously) plus.... although a place like Iraq could never take down our country.... look at what it has done to us... it's a little BS war... (don't get me wrong I support our troops just not the war)... in a little place.... russia has way more potential then that... imagine the recourses and manpower it would take to seriously go in there in stop them... because sitting in cock pits and dropping bombs wont do it.... But it'd be very easy for them.... America is out in the open... Russia still has an unkown number of the infamous "suitecase Nukes" as well as an entire arsenal of nuclear weapons.... On top of the fact that the few allies they have... all hate us... (with the exception of china who pretends to be our friends and tells us they love us with thier fingers crossed behind thier backs)... being good ol' buddies with a place like China would give them recourses and the power to build up new weapons rather it be bio or chemica. Or above that even Economic collapse causing mass panic and fear and hunger in america (since china cutting us off from importation of goods and technically lending us money) would throw us into an unstable state... then we'd be sitting pray... open to all kinds of attacks...everything would chain react into one big shit pile... Your money would merely be good for keeping warm during winter... and all that would count is what you know in your head and how much ammo you got in the stash... (among other things) but you get the idea....

Quoted: The bear is a cool airplane. Im glad russia is acting like its old self again. It gives our pilots something to engage.

I read it's probably the loudest airplane ever flown.

That's General Curtis Lemay fellas.

So why didn't we splash the Bear ? Would he russkies let US fly a B-52 over one of their bases ? KAL 007 anyone ?

Quoted: So why didn't we splash the Bear ? Would he russkies let US fly a B-52 over one of their bases ? KAL 007 anyone ?

Because unlike you, military generals do not have fantasies about WWIII with the only foe in the world who could truely bring a world of hurt on America.

Quoted: Quoted: So why didn't we splash the Bear ? Would he russkies let US fly a B-52 over one of their bases ? KAL 007 anyone ? Because unlike you, military generals do not have fantasies about WWIII with the only foe in the world who could truely bring a world of hurt on America.

 My fantasies revolve arould MILFish women not war. I'm just wondering why, post 9-11 and post Pearl Harbor 'fer cryin' out loud we let an enemy bomber fly right over one of our bases.

 Now answer my question Mr. Tom Clancy Jr... Would the Russians let us overfly one of their bases with a B-52 ?

 Read your cold war history about the amount of our spy planes the former USSR shot down.

 Here, I found a list for you.
LINK
Cold War Shootdowns
This is a list of aircraft that were shot down while "participating" in the Cold War. I have not included aircraft shot down during other declared on undeclared conflicts, or in war zones.

An interesting detail is that only one aircraft was ever shot down whilst trying to fly deep into Soviet territory: Gary Powers' U-2C on 1 May 1960. There have been some narrow escapes as well, but most of the victims were flying near the borders of the USSR and WarPac countries. In addition, a number of aircraft were shot down over Cuba and China.

9 August 1946
A C-47 transport over Yugoslavia.
19 August 1946
A C-47 transport over Yugoslavia.
8 April 1950
An US PB4Y-2 Privateer, shot down over the Baltic Sea -- or over Latvia, depending on whether you believe the American or the Soviet version. After this, US aircraft were instructed to stay at least 20 miles from the coast.
6 November 1951
An US P2V-3 Neptune of VP-6 , shot down near Vladivostok by MiG-15s.
18 November 1951
A C-47 transport over Hungary.
29 April 1952
A DC-4 of Air France was shot at by two MiG-15s when approaching Berlin. The aircraft was damaged and three passengers wounded.
13 June 1952
A RB-29 over the Sea of Japan, near Hokkaido.
7 October 1952
A RB-29 over the Kurile Islands.
29 November 1952
A China Air Transport C-47 on a mission to pick up agent Li Chun-ying was shot down over China. CAT pilots Snoddy and Schwartz were killed. CIA agents Richard Fectau and John Downey were captured and held in China until 1972/73. Some sources place this incident as happening a year later.
12 January 1953
A B-29 on a leaflet-dropping mission over Manchuria. The 11 crew members were taken prisoner by the Chinese and released in 1955.
18 January 1953
A P2V over Formosa Strait.
10 March 1953
Two USAF F-84Gs based in West Germany crossed into Czechoslovakian airspace, and were intercepted by MiG-15s. One was shot down.
12 March 1953.
A RAF Lincoln was shot down over East Germany.
29 July 1953
An RB-50 over the Sea of Japan. Only one of the 17 crewmembers was rescued, but there are rumours that others were taken prisoners by the USSR.
Summer 1953
It is claimed that a RAF Canberra, possibly a modified B Mk.2, suffered damage during a spy flight over the USSR. This event remains a mystery,
17 August 1953
A T-6 over the Korean demilitarized zone.
27 January 1954
An RB-45 flying over the Yellow Sea with an escort of F-86 Sabres was attacked by eight MiG-15s; one MiG was shot down.
April 1954
An RB-45C operated by the RAF narrowly escaped AAA near Kiev. The mission was cancelled.
8 May 1954
An RB-47 of the 51st SRW flying over the Northern USSR exchanges gunfire with MiG-17s, but gets home safely.
July 1954
A Cathay Pacific DC-4 was shot down by Chinese La-9 fighters near Hainan. 10 killed, 8 survived.
26 July 1954
Two AD Skyraiders, looking for survivors from the above mentioned DC-4, were attacked by two La-9s. Both La-9s were shot down.
4 September 1954
A P2V-5 off the Siberian coast. Of the crew of 10, one was killed.
7 November 1954
An RB-29 over the Sea of Japan, north of Hokkaido, lost with its crew of 13.
19 January 1955
Unknown aircraft, over the Korean demilitarized zone.
5 Februari 1955
Two MiG-15s shot down by USAF F-86 Sabres when they attacked an RB-45 over the Yellow Sea
17 April 1955
An RB-47 near Kamchatka, probably shot down by MiG-17s.
22 June 1955
A P2V-5 Neptune was attacked over the Bering Strait. The USA demanded $724,947; the USSR finally payed half.
27 July 1955
A Lockheed Constellation of El Al was shot down by Bulgarian aircraft. All 40 on board were killed.
17 August 1955
A T-6 over the Korean demilitarized zone.
22 August 1956
A P4M Mercator near Wenchow, China.
10 September 1956
RB-50 over the Sea of Japan.
23 December 1957
A T-33 over Albania.
24 December 1957
An USAF RB-57 over the Black Sea.
February 1958
An RB-57D operated by the Chinese Nationalists was shot down over mainland China.
6 March 1958
A F-86 over North Korea.
27 June 1958
A C-118 over the USSR (Armenia). The crew was later released.
2 September 1958
A C-130A over the USSR (Armenia). This was a "Sun Valley" SIGINT version. 17 people were on board, 9 bodies were returned. The fate of the other crewmembers remains a mystery.
4 July 1959 or 16 June 1959 ?
A P4M of VQ-1, attacked near to Korean peninsula by MiG-15s. Damaged, one wounded crewmember.
October 1959
An RB-57D operated by the Chinese Nationalists was shot down over mainland China.
1 May 1960
The Lockheed U-2 of Gary Powers, shot down by an SA-2 Guideline missile, near Sverdlovsk, USSR.
25 May 1960
A C-47 over East Germany.
1 July 1960
An RB-47H over the Barentz Sea was downed by Vasili Poliakov. John McKone, the navigator and Bruce Olmstead (the co-pilot?) survived. The pilot, Bill Palm was killed, as were the other three crewmembers (the Elint operators).
5 June 1962
A Swedish ELINT DC-3 shot down over the Baltic.
16 June 1962 A Swedish Catalina looking for the DC-3 lost on June the 5th was shot down too.
9 September 1962
A Chinese Nationalist U-2C was shot down over Mainland China.
27 October 1962
An U-2 piloted by Rudolf Anderson, shot down by a SAM over Cuba. Anderson was killed.
17 May 1963
A helicopter over the Korean demilitarized zone.
6 August 1963
An LT over North Korea.
1 November 1963
A Chinese Nationalist U-2C was shot down over Mainland China.
24 January 1964
A T-39 over East Germany.
10 March 1964
A RB-66 over East Germany.
7 July 1964
A Chinese Nationalist U-2C was shot down over Mainland China.
10 January 1965
A Chinese Nationalist U-2C was shot down over Mainland China.
27 April 1965
An ERB-47H was damaged by North Korean MiG-17s. It made an emergency landing at Yokota AB, with two engines out.
September 1965
An RB-57F, operated by Pakistan, damaged by an SA-2 over India.
14 December 1965 (1968?)
An RB-57F shot down by a SAM over the Black Sea, near Odessa. The two crewmembers remained missing. Jay Miller states that this happened in 1968; Robert Jackson that it was in 1965.
1 January 1966
A KA-3B of the USN over South China.
9 September 1967
An U-2C, operated by the ROC, over China.
30 June 1968
A DC-8 over the Kurile islands was forced to land. It was carrying a load of US troops to Vietnam.
March 1969
An U-2C, operated by the ROC, over China.
15 April 1969
An EC-121M over or near North Korea.
17 August 1969
An OH-23 over the Korean demilitarized zone.
21 October 1970
An U-8 over the USSR (Armenia).
14 June 1977
A CH-47 over the Korean demilitarized zone.
20 April 1978
Boeing 707 from Korean Air Lines. Flew over Murmansk while on a Paris-Anchorage flight. Hit by Su-15 interceptors, crash-landed on a frozen lake.
6 September 1983 October
A Boeing 747 of KAL, shot down over Sachalin by a Su-15. All 269 on board were killed.
24 April 1992
Peruvian Su-22s attacked an US C-130. One crewmember was killed, four wounded.
24 February 1996
Two (civilian) US-registered Cessna 337 twin-engined aircraft, operated by Cuban exiles, shot down by Cuban MiG-29s.

Quoted: Quoted: Bring Back SAC! Along with this guy. www.eaec.org/images/newsletter/2004/Curtis%20LeMay.jpg

There should be a movie about Gen.Lemay!!!

Quoted: WTF is Ivan playing at, I wonder.

Putin is trying to restore Russian pride.  They have taken to the idea wholeheartedly.

Quoted: There should be a movie about Gen.Lemay!!!

Are you kidding?

Hollyweird would demonize him.

He was the guy who brought incendiery bombing to Japan in WWII.  He was the one who urged Kennedy to launch when we had everything cocked during the Cuban missile crisis.  

They would paint him as a nutcase, out of context from his times.  His achievements in forming SAC into the world's premiere combat force would be trivialized.

Quoted: Quoted: Actually... I wish it was the Chinese that were clinkin' their sabres.  I'd much rather see hostilities vs the Chinese than the Russians (that is, IF hostilies have to happen ). Fuck you, China!!!     Then you need to read more history.  Russia is was and always will be a threat to the US.  China is only more recent.   God Bless Curtis Lemays soul! www.eaec.org/images/newsletter/2004/Curtis%20LeMay.jpg

I am quite familiar with the Russian/Chinese threat to the US.  Currently, the Russians are much less of a threat than the Chinese (if nukes are removed from the equasion).      

Quoted: we should shot them down and see what happens

you cant even spell.

yeah shoot them down...for?  riiiiiiight

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At the end of the day while Russia is certainly a threat it will never be a superpower again. Russian GDP isn't even a trillion $. At the most generous estimates about 7% of US GDP. It has a dying population, dropping by 500,000 to 700,000 a year. Life expectancy for men isn't even 60. By Russia's own estimates their population will drop to about 110m by 2050 while US population will hit about 500m by then. Russia is actually in the beginning of a baby boom. Russian baby boom bodes well for economy Life expectancy is still a problem, though. As the economy improves and people start having kids again, that too will improve. And how much of that 500 mil do you think will be hard working citizens and how much will belong to the lumpenprole classes? While it has received a lot of money from oil and gas over the last few years Russian oil infrastructure is decaying and in need of serious investment to even keep up with current output. Outside a few fancy suburbs of Moscow and St Petersburg the country's infrastructure is crumbling and hasn't received decent investment since the 1960's. The Russian army more closely resembles a prison gang of rapists, murderers, drug traffickers and extortionists than a professional army. They might still make good hardware but they have little ability to field much of it themselves. Despite hardcore set backs - the Russians ultimately prosecuted Chechnya infinitely better than we're doing in either of our conflicts. There are also ongoing attempts to professionalize the army by introducing (for the first time ever in Russia) an NCO corps. What must hurt them most is that at no time since WWII ended has Russia had less influence in Europe. Of the former Warsaw Pact countries all of them, except Russia obviously, have joined NATO, with the expception of Albania who is due to join by the end of 2008. Eastern European countries are looking to the EU and NATO not the failed thug to the East. They can't even terrorise a small Baltic state in to doing their bidding anymore and even Belarus is going cold on them. Outside the Caucus states Russia is a weak influence in Europe. Germany, France and Britain all wield more influence than Russia in Europe. Oil is life. In Europe, increasingly, Russia controls the oil. Blackmail fear after Russia doubles the price of oil The combined GDP of the EU/NATO countries is over $30 trillion. It's a sad and pathetic sight watching Putin flap Russia's arms around screaming "look at me! look at me!" Russia is a regional European power with virtually no friends or allies anywhere in the world. Hopefully they don't decide to lash out at some point like the whiny child they are to get more attention. No friends except for China, Iran, lots in the Mid East, more in south Asia. Please rethink. Underestimating the Russians has proven to be a fatal mistake for many an empire. +1 Yeah don't be cocky about it... They are one of the only places we can't just walk into... They have lots of nuclear weapons still... and we are merely guessing at the numbers... Thier land is very harsh to invade... if we ever had too again.... bombing is no good when thier entire country is one giant bunker (seriously) plus.... although a place like Iraq could never take down our country.... look at what it has done to us... it's a little BS war... (don't get me wrong I support our troops just not the war)... in a little place.... russia has way more potential then that... imagine the recourses and manpower it would take to seriously go in there in stop them... because sitting in cock pits and dropping bombs wont do it.... But it'd be very easy for them.... America is out in the open... Russia still has an unkown number of the infamous "suitecase Nukes" as well as an entire arsenal of nuclear weapons.... On top of the fact that the few allies they have... all hate us... (with the exception of china who pretends to be our friends and tells us they love us with thier fingers crossed behind thier backs)... being good ol' buddies with a place like China would give them recourses and the power to build up new weapons rather it be bio or chemica. Or above that even Economic collapse causing mass panic and fear and hunger in america (since china cutting us off from importation of goods and technically lending us money) would throw us into an unstable state... then we'd be sitting pray... open to all kinds of attacks...everything would chain react into one big shit pile... Your money would merely be good for keeping warm during winter... and all that would count is what you know in your head and how much ammo you got in the stash... (among other things) but you get the idea....

The American Expeditionary Force Siberia (AEF Siberia) was a United States Army force that was involved in the Russian Civil War in Vladivostok, Russia, during the tail end of World War I after the October Revolution, from 1918 to 1920. President Woodrow Wilson's objectives for sending troops to Siberia were as much diplomatic as they were military. One major reason was to rescue the 40,000 men of the Czechoslovak Legions, who were being held up by Bolshevik forces as they attempted to make their way along the Trans-Siberian Railroad to Vladivostok, and it was hoped, eventually to the Western Front. Another major reason was to protect the large quantities of military supplies and railroad rolling stock that the United States had sent to the Russian Far East in support of the prior Russian government's war efforts on the Eastern Front. Equally stressed by President Wilson was the need to "steady any efforts at self-government or self defense in which the Russians themselves may be willing to accept assistance." At the time, Bolshevik forces controlled only small pockets in Siberia and Wilson wanted to make sure that neither Cossack marauders or the Japanese military would take advantage of the unstable political environment along the strategic railroad line and in the resource-rich Siberian regions that straddled it.[1] Concurrently and for similar reasons, about 5,000 American soldiers were sent to Arkhangelsk, Russia by President Wilson as part of the separate Polar Bear Expedition.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So why didn't we splash the Bear ? Would he russkies let US fly a B-52 over one of their bases ? KAL 007 anyone ? Because unlike you, military generals do not have fantasies about WWIII with the only foe in the world who could truely bring a world of hurt on America.  My fantasies revolve arould MILFish women not war. I'm just wondering why, post 9-11 and post Pearl Harbor 'fer cryin' out loud we let an enemy bomber fly right over one of our bases.  Now answer my question Mr. Tom Clancy Jr... Would the Russians let us overfly one of their bases with a B-52 ?  Read your cold war history about the amount of our spy planes the former USSR shot down.  Here, I found a list for you. LINK Cold War Shootdowns This is a list of aircraft that were shot down while "participating" in the Cold War. I have not included aircraft shot down during other declared on undeclared conflicts, or in war zones. An interesting detail is that only one aircraft was ever shot down whilst trying to fly deep into Soviet territory: Gary Powers' U-2C on 1 May 1960. There have been some narrow escapes as well, but most of the victims were flying near the borders of the USSR and WarPac countries. In addition, a number of aircraft were shot down over Cuba and China. 9 August 1946 A C-47 transport over Yugoslavia. 19 August 1946 A C-47 transport over Yugoslavia. 8 April 1950 An US PB4Y-2 Privateer, shot down over the Baltic Sea -- or over Latvia, depending on whether you believe the American or the Soviet version. After this, US aircraft were instructed to stay at least 20 miles from the coast. 6 November 1951 An US P2V-3 Neptune of VP-6 , shot down near Vladivostok by MiG-15s. 18 November 1951 A C-47 transport over Hungary. 29 April 1952 A DC-4 of Air France was shot at by two MiG-15s when approaching Berlin. The aircraft was damaged and three passengers wounded. 13 June 1952 A RB-29 over the Sea of Japan, near Hokkaido. 7 October 1952 A RB-29 over the Kurile Islands. 29 November 1952 A China Air Transport C-47 on a mission to pick up agent Li Chun-ying was shot down over China. CAT pilots Snoddy and Schwartz were killed. CIA agents Richard Fectau and John Downey were captured and held in China until 1972/73. Some sources place this incident as happening a year later. 12 January 1953 A B-29 on a leaflet-dropping mission over Manchuria. The 11 crew members were taken prisoner by the Chinese and released in 1955. 18 January 1953 A P2V over Formosa Strait. 10 March 1953 Two USAF F-84Gs based in West Germany crossed into Czechoslovakian airspace, and were intercepted by MiG-15s. One was shot down. 12 March 1953. A RAF Lincoln was shot down over East Germany. 29 July 1953 An RB-50 over the Sea of Japan. Only one of the 17 crewmembers was rescued, but there are rumours that others were taken prisoners by the USSR. Summer 1953 It is claimed that a RAF Canberra, possibly a modified B Mk.2, suffered damage during a spy flight over the USSR. This event remains a mystery, 17 August 1953 A T-6 over the Korean demilitarized zone. 27 January 1954 An RB-45 flying over the Yellow Sea with an escort of F-86 Sabres was attacked by eight MiG-15s; one MiG was shot down. April 1954 An RB-45C operated by the RAF narrowly escaped AAA near Kiev. The mission was cancelled. 8 May 1954 An RB-47 of the 51st SRW flying over the Northern USSR exchanges gunfire with MiG-17s, but gets home safely. July 1954 A Cathay Pacific DC-4 was shot down by Chinese La-9 fighters near Hainan. 10 killed, 8 survived. 26 July 1954 Two AD Skyraiders, looking for survivors from the above mentioned DC-4, were attacked by two La-9s. Both La-9s were shot down. 4 September 1954 A P2V-5 off the Siberian coast. Of the crew of 10, one was killed. 7 November 1954 An RB-29 over the Sea of Japan, north of Hokkaido, lost with its crew of 13. 19 January 1955 Unknown aircraft, over the Korean demilitarized zone. 5 Februari 1955 Two MiG-15s shot down by USAF F-86 Sabres when they attacked an RB-45 over the Yellow Sea 17 April 1955 An RB-47 near Kamchatka, probably shot down by MiG-17s. 22 June 1955 A P2V-5 Neptune was attacked over the Bering Strait. The USA demanded $724,947; the USSR finally payed half. 27 July 1955 A Lockheed Constellation of El Al was shot down by Bulgarian aircraft. All 40 on board were killed. 17 August 1955 A T-6 over the Korean demilitarized zone. 22 August 1956 A P4M Mercator near Wenchow, China. 10 September 1956 RB-50 over the Sea of Japan. 23 December 1957 A T-33 over Albania. 24 December 1957 An USAF RB-57 over the Black Sea. February 1958 An RB-57D operated by the Chinese Nationalists was shot down over mainland China. 6 March 1958 A F-86 over North Korea. 27 June 1958 A C-118 over the USSR (Armenia). The crew was later released. 2 September 1958 A C-130A over the USSR (Armenia). This was a "Sun Valley" SIGINT version. 17 people were on board, 9 bodies were returned. The fate of the other crewmembers remains a mystery. 4 July 1959 or 16 June 1959 ? A P4M of VQ-1, attacked near to Korean peninsula by MiG-15s. Damaged, one wounded crewmember. October 1959 An RB-57D operated by the Chinese Nationalists was shot down over mainland China. 1 May 1960 The Lockheed U-2 of Gary Powers, shot down by an SA-2 Guideline missile, near Sverdlovsk, USSR. 25 May 1960 A C-47 over East Germany. 1 July 1960 An RB-47H over the Barentz Sea was downed by Vasili Poliakov. John McKone, the navigator and Bruce Olmstead (the co-pilot?) survived. The pilot, Bill Palm was killed, as were the other three crewmembers (the Elint operators). 5 June 1962 A Swedish ELINT DC-3 shot down over the Baltic. 16 June 1962 A Swedish Catalina looking for the DC-3 lost on June the 5th was shot down too. 9 September 1962 A Chinese Nationalist U-2C was shot down over Mainland China. 27 October 1962 An U-2 piloted by Rudolf Anderson, shot down by a SAM over Cuba. Anderson was killed. 17 May 1963 A helicopter over the Korean demilitarized zone. 6 August 1963 An LT over North Korea. 1 November 1963 A Chinese Nationalist U-2C was shot down over Mainland China. 24 January 1964 A T-39 over East Germany. 10 March 1964 A RB-66 over East Germany. 7 July 1964 A Chinese Nationalist U-2C was shot down over Mainland China. 10 January 1965 A Chinese Nationalist U-2C was shot down over Mainland China. 27 April 1965 An ERB-47H was damaged by North Korean MiG-17s. It made an emergency landing at Yokota AB, with two engines out. September 1965 An RB-57F, operated by Pakistan, damaged by an SA-2 over India. 14 December 1965 (1968?) An RB-57F shot down by a SAM over the Black Sea, near Odessa. The two crewmembers remained missing. Jay Miller states that this happened in 1968; Robert Jackson that it was in 1965. 1 January 1966 A KA-3B of the USN over South China. 9 September 1967 An U-2C, operated by the ROC, over China. 30 June 1968 A DC-8 over the Kurile islands was forced to land. It was carrying a load of US troops to Vietnam. March 1969 An U-2C, operated by the ROC, over China. 15 April 1969 An EC-121M over or near North Korea. 17 August 1969 An OH-23 over the Korean demilitarized zone. 21 October 1970 An U-8 over the USSR (Armenia). 14 June 1977 A CH-47 over the Korean demilitarized zone. 20 April 1978 Boeing 707 from Korean Air Lines. Flew over Murmansk while on a Paris-Anchorage flight. Hit by Su-15 interceptors, crash-landed on a frozen lake. 6 September 1983 October A Boeing 747 of KAL, shot down over Sachalin by a Su-15. All 269 on board were killed. 24 April 1992 Peruvian Su-22s attacked an US C-130. One crewmember was killed, four wounded. 24 February 1996 Two (civilian) US-registered Cessna 337 twin-engined aircraft, operated by Cuban exiles, shot down by Cuban MiG-29s.

Because an attack on us by Russia would involve a lot more than a single TU-95 flying close / over some ships.

The instances you posted happened during the Cold War.  That (hopefully) is behind us.  Should we shoot down German planes that fly close to ours because we fought a war with them 65 years ago?

Quoted: I'm just curious what the change in thought process is all about.

China is practicing sneaking up on our carriers with their subs and now the Russians are probing us from the air.  Hmmm.

Quoted: Quoted: I'm just curious what the change in thought process is all about. China is practicing sneaking up on our carriers with their subs and now the Russians are probing us from the air.  Hmmm.

They've found 'capitalism' (Apologies to Adam Smith).  After ditching their idiotic Communist ideology, they finally have the folding green to resume their ambitions.

In our lifetimes, we're destined to see the theories of the modern globalists proved.  Does the interconnectedness and interdependence of global trade finally overcome the racial, religious and nationalistic impulses that have marked history, or was the motivating ideology our secular elites simply intellectual decadence brought about by material excess?

Sorry if I didn't state that tendentiously enough.

Quoted: Because an attack on us by Russia would involve a lot more than a single TU-95 flying close / over some ships. The instances you posted happened during the Cold War.  That (hopefully) is behind us.  Should we shoot down German planes that fly close to ours because we fought a war with them 65 years ago?

Germany is a US/NATO ally. Russia is not. Russia is arming our enemies.  Just answer the question; Would the Russians allow a B-52 to fly over one of their bases ?