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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:38:57 PM EDT
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is it time to kick some gubment ass? i think so. the PATRIOT act is complete bullshit. (i get to write an article on it for journalism)
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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:41:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: But if you McVeigh wannabes want to sit there and rub your rifle and think of thoughts of glory to yourself - go ahead - but I'm not with you and I'll be defending the country that is the greatest in the world. When the government oversteps its bounds, who has the responsibility to correct it? The political process? Yes. The judiciary? Yes. How about the people? Yes - through the processes that were established by the fathers of this country. If you think that ONLY an armed revolution can change what you do not like, then you have a very severe case of self imposed limitations. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:45:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But if you McVeigh wannabes want to sit there and rub your rifle and think of thoughts of glory to yourself - go ahead - but I'm not with you and I'll be defending the country that is the greatest in the world. When the government oversteps its bounds, who has the responsibility to correct it? The political process? Yes. The judiciary? Yes. How about the people? Yes - through the processes that were established by the fathers of this country. If you think that ONLY an armed revolution can change what you do not like, then you have a very severe case of self imposed limitations. Refer to my last post. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:48:08 PM EDT
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patriot
\Pa"tri*ot\, n. [F. patriote; cf. Sp. patriota, It. patriotto; all fr. Gr. ? a fellow-countryman, fr. ? established by forefathers, fr. ? father. See Father.] One who loves his country, and zealously supports its authority and interests. --Bp. Hall. Am I a patriot? If you look at the definition, I am. I support the authority of America, I just don't like the political regime that is in place. When I vote, I vote for the less of the evils. Take the presidency, I don't think that either candidate was presidential material, so I voted for the better of the two IMO. I do not come from money, nor do I make an absorbanent amount. I do not have any political party backing so therefore I will not run for office. Do you think Bush would be president today if he were a farm worker with an education? I don't think he would have made it to ballot. By the way, I don't think I would be a good politician, I just want someone in office that looks out for my best intrests. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:50:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't believe that the political system can be salvaged. I believe that there are far too many people out there who vote with the masses. ...If we were being attacked by enemies foreign, I would fight for America, but if it were a domestic war, well then I would be for the people. So who are you rooting for- "the masses" or "the people"? And what's the difference? Am I getting this right? "The masses" are bad, and "the people" are good. The "government" is bad, but "America" is good. I understand this part: "Mongo like guns." [:D] [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=2395[/img] |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:51:09 PM EDT
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Does a revolution have to be armed? A revolution is a fundamental change in political organization, or in a government or constitution; the overthrow or renunciation of one government, and the substitution of another, by the governed. I have never suggested that we should take up arms (even though I am willing to do so), but I asked if there should be some sort of change.
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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:52:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: But if you McVeigh wannabes want to sit there and rub your rifle and think of thoughts of glory to yourself - go ahead - but I'm not with you and I'll be defending the country that is the greatest in the world. When the government oversteps its bounds, who has the responsibility to correct it? The political process? Yes. The judiciary? Yes. How about the people? Yes - through the processes that were established by the fathers of this country. If you think that ONLY an armed revolution can change what you do not like, then you have a very severe case of self imposed limitations. If it were a question of what I liked, I might almost agree with you entirely. What concerns me is the perversion of the Constitution. We have been our own worst enemies. When judges think the constitution is a living document subject to their own interpretation and not held to its original intent I become outraged. But this has become the norm. How can courts offer opinions that state there is no right of the people to bear arms (9th Circuit, I believe) when it is so clearly stated in the second amendment? I do participate in the political process. I vote, I contribute to candidates and causes, but I also speak my mind. I stand up for what is right, and our government, at times, is not right. Are things as bad now as they were when our forefathers put their lives on the line to create this nation??? That I don't know. Apparently you don't think they are. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:55:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Are things as bad now as they were when our forefathers put their lives on the line to create this nation??? That I don't know. Apparently you don't think they are. Nope. Not even close. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:56:06 PM EDT
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MONGO SAY MASSES REFERING TO MINDLESS WHO VOTE
venom_inc is not saying that all who vote are mindless, just the majority. Most people at the polls do not know what they are voting for (63%). They just vote so that they can say they did their part. I am guilty of going to the polls an not knowing everything on the ballot, but those things that I do not know, I do not vote on. This is not the best thing to do, but it is better than blindly voting on a subject. I am for America, if there was a better country I would go there, but frankly this it the best there is. I just think it could be better. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 10:59:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't believe that the political system can be salvaged. I believe that there are far too many people out there who vote with the masses. ...If we were being attacked by enemies foreign, I would fight for America, but if it were a domestic war, well then I would be for the people. So who are you rooting for- "the masses" or "the people"? And what's the difference? Am I getting this right? "The masses" are bad, and "the people" are good. The "government" is bad, but "America" is good. I understand this part: "Mongo like guns." [:D] [url]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=2395[/url] Name calling is good. Bozo[:D] |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:05:27 PM EDT
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Those "masses" ARE America. They make this country what it is. They are who other Americans fought and died for- other, "average" Americans. Average just doesn't happen to be very interesting, does it?
Contrary to what ETH was suggesting about 9/11, the remarkable thing about those heroic efforts by a few people is that it represents what *many* are capable of in extreme situations. Americans oo not. And those are the people that make up "the masses" you want to dismiss. Where's the respect in that? |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:08:22 PM EDT
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The "masses" did not fight in the revolution.
But they enjoyed the aftermath. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:10:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: The "masses" did not fight in the revolution. But they enjoyed the aftermath. Very true. It takes a few brave men to lead. Most people, Americans or otherwise, just follow. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:11:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Are things as bad now as they were when our forefathers put their lives on the line to create this nation??? That I don't know. Apparently you don't think they are. Nope. Not even close. Can you remind me what our forefathers endured that made them believe revolution was necessary? |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:15:48 PM EDT
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They had to wear funny wigs, tight socks and someone threw their tea in the harbor! (They said to "pee" in the harbor!)
I would be pissed too! |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:18:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: Those "masses" ARE America. They make this country what it is. They are who other Americans fought and died for- other, "average" Americans. Average just doesn't happen to be very interesting, does it? Contrary to what ETH was suggesting about 9/11, the remarkable thing about those heroic efforts by a few people is that it represents what *many* are capable of in extreme situations. Americans oo not. And those are the people that make up "the masses" you want to dismiss. Where's the respect in that? You misread what I speak of. If you were to sit down with the "masses", and explain to them what they are voting for, things would change, but I can not do that. I do not dismiss the masses, but I do not take into account what the government says that they want. When was the last time you said that you want to give your senator a 10% raise per year? I never have, I get a raise when I do my job correctly, not when I want one. If/when it comes down to it, I believe that the "masses" would take a different route than you think. Read my sig, "Ignorance is Strength", the government has you where they want you. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:18:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: They had to wear funny wigs, tight socks and someone threw their tea in the harbor! (They said to "pee" in the harbor!) I would be pissed too! Didn't they throw the tea in the harbor? Probably because they didn't have ice... I hate warm tea. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:27:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Those "masses" ARE America. They make this country what it is. They are who other Americans fought and died for- other, "average" Americans. Average just doesn't happen to be very interesting, does it? Contrary to what ETH was suggesting about 9/11, the remarkable thing about those heroic efforts by a few people is that it represents what *many* are capable of in extreme situations. Americans oo not. And those are the people that make up "the masses" you want to dismiss. Where's the respect in that? You misread what I speak of. If you were to sit down with the "masses", and explain to them what they are voting for, things would change, but I can not do that. I do not dismiss the masses, but I do not take into account what the government says that they want. When was the last time you said that you want to give your senator a 10% raise per year? I never have, I get a raise when I do my job correctly, not when I want one. If/when it comes down to it, I believe that the "masses" would take a different route than you think. Read my sig, "Ignorance is Strength", the government has you where they want you. I have had many conversations with people about the wrongs in our gov. The ones I get thru to just freak out. [b]example: corporations do not pay taxes, only the end user of a product pays taxes. example: company digs iron ore out of the ground, then sells it to a steel company. The gov. taxes the sale so the ore company prices its ore accordingly, etc.....[/b] |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:33:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Those "masses" ARE America. They make this country what it is. They are who other Americans fought and died for- other, "average" Americans. Average just doesn't happen to be very interesting, does it? Contrary to what ETH was suggesting about 9/11, the remarkable thing about those heroic efforts by a few people is that it represents what *many* are capable of in extreme situations. Americans oo not. And those are the people that make up "the masses" you want to dismiss. Where's the respect in that? You misread what I speak of. If you were to sit down with the "masses", and explain to them what they are voting for, things would change, but I can not do that. I do not dismiss the masses, but I do not take into account what the government says that they want. When was the last time you said that you want to give your senator a 10% raise per year? I never have, I get a raise when I do my job correctly, not when I want one. If/when it comes down to it, I believe that the "masses" would take a different route than you think. Read my sig, "Ignorance is Strength", the government has you where they want you. I have had many conversations with people about the wrongs in our gov. The ones I get thru to just freak out. [b]example: corporations do not pay taxes, only the end user of a product pays taxes. example: company digs iron ore out of the ground, then sells it to a steel company. The gov. taxes the sale so the ore company prices its ore accordingly, etc.....[/b] I don't think most people care about government abuses unless it directly affects them. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:39:23 PM EDT
[#20]
Things really slow down on here after 3:30am...
Edited because I suck at spelling after 3:30 am |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:39:32 PM EDT
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[b]I don't think most people care about government abuses unless it directly affects them.[/b] The tax equation does directly effect them. I sold a demo in Texas in the early 80's on this issue alone. He became a repub. Now I do not like the repubs. or the demos. There is only a difference in degree not kind. And I always get trashed for saying that. Maybe I'll just be ignored from now on.[:D] |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:42:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: [b]I don't think most people care about government abuses unless it directly affects them.[/b] The tax equation does directly effect them. I sold a demo in Texas in the early 80's on this issue alone. He became a repub. Now I do not like the repubs. or the demos. There is only a difference in degree not kind. And I always get trashed for saying that. Maybe I'll just be ignored from now on.[:D] The tax issue seriously affects all of us. Federal Income Tax, State Income Tax, Local Tax, Sales Tax, Property Tax.... all said and done many people probably get close to that 50% mark. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:44:33 PM EDT
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I agree that there is major abuse when it comes to taxation. We are represented and still getting screwed. They tried to up the taxes on gas here in Northern VA, but it was voted down. People did not realize that property taxes will be raised due to this, therefore they are screwing themselves. Had they voted for the gas tax increase, that would have been applied a little more evenly seeing that there are so many loop holes in the way that the tax laws are organized.
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:45:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: When I enlisted in the Army, I swore to [b]support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.[/b] I think we have many of those enemies within right now. Some we can remove through the democratic process and others we must show the door. Start with Hollywood - throw most of those SOB's out... If people don't like America and don't believe in our Constitution, get out. I couldn't agree more, except I don't quite think a revolution is necessary just yet. Remember, the founding fathers tried everything in their power to prevent a revolt before taking that route. It's necessary to think of it as an option, but it's not yet the *only* option I don't think. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:46:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Our government is just too big... I wish they would stop wasting my tax money on crack whores in DC. When government gets into the social aspects of life, it has gone too far. Seems difficult to change things now... too many people depend on government handouts. Not to get off the topic at hand, I agree that the government is misspending our tax money. I personally know a woman that is a single mother living with the father of her children who was given money for rent, school, food, and utilities by the government. What did she do, got student loans to buy cars, televisions, you name it. Now she has graduated, and is working at a gas station because she no longer want's to be a teacher. Where are the checks for this type of thing. F*** the bleeding hearts! YOU are the "checks". Turn the bitch in. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:46:16 PM EDT
[#26]
When it comes to taxes, there is one thing that makes me happy:
I'm glad we don't get all the government we pay for. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:48:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Are things as bad now as they were when our forefathers put their lives on the line to create this nation??? That I don't know. Apparently you don't think they are. Nope. Not even close. I love this! For a guy in MD. So you likey your socialist state do you? |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:48:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: When I enlisted in the Army, I swore to [b]support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.[/b] I think we have many of those enemies within right now. Some we can remove through the democratic process and others we must show the door. Start with Hollywood - throw most of those SOB's out... If people don't like America and don't believe in our Constitution, get out. I couldn't agree more, except I don't quite think a revolution is necessary just yet. Remember, the founding fathers tried everything in their power to prevent a revolt before taking that route. It's necessary to think of it as an option, but it's not yet the *only* option I don't think. We do need to do everything we can. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:50:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are things as bad now as they were when our forefathers put their lives on the line to create this nation??? That I don't know. Apparently you don't think they are. Nope. Not even close. I love this! For a guy in MD. So you likey your socialist state do you? Doesn't Maryland have some of the most restrictive gun laws and moronic social programs out there... oh, and a high crime rate too... coincidence??? Edited because it's getting close to 4 and I'm getting tired. |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:51:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can agree with the fact that Al Queda would have us to deal with, but it is a fear of mine that in the event that we were to be attacked on the homefront unexpectedly by any large number, our vulnerability would be pronounced to the world leaving us open for further attacks. Need I remind you that America is one of, if not the most hated country in the world. The reason the US has had little in the way of formal attacks on our nation is the 2nd Amendment. No one would come into this country just to have their butts kicked by all of us gun-toting maniacs... If we let the government take our guns, what assurances do we have? We are hated because we are blessed... The reason we have had little in the way of formal attacks is because of two very large bodies of water and both our east and west coasts. The nations to the north and south do not have the military strength to challenge us. It has little or nothing to do with the second amendment. That little sweetheart is to ensure that we do not fall prey to a tyrannical government (of which I do not see that one exists.) What are you? A fifteen-year old immigrant? |
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Posted: 12/19/2002 11:55:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can agree with the fact that Al Queda would have us to deal with, but it is a fear of mine that in the event that we were to be attacked on the homefront unexpectedly by any large number, our vulnerability would be pronounced to the world leaving us open for further attacks. Need I remind you that America is one of, if not the most hated country in the world. The reason the US has had little in the way of formal attacks on our nation is the 2nd Amendment. No one would come into this country just to have their butts kicked by all of us gun-toting maniacs... If we let the government take our guns, what assurances do we have? We are hated because we are blessed... The reason we have had little in the way of formal attacks is because of two very large bodies of water and both our east and west coasts. The nations to the north and south do not have the military strength to challenge us. It has little or nothing to do with the second amendment. That little sweetheart is to ensure that we do not fall prey to a tyrannical government (of which I do not see that one exists.) What are you? A fifteen-year old immigrant? Hey, leave the guy alone, can't you see he likes the socialist state he is in. By the way, ROTFLMAO! |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:00:12 AM EDT
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He is trying to make a point that America is everything it should be and that no one would dare trifle with us. It used to be the case that no one had the power to attack America, but I think that has changed. With the more contries obtaining weapons of mass destruction, the ability of America coming under siege of another country is viable. So I say, agree with the government, send our troups to other countries, spend our money on foriegn aid, forget about the starving at home, allow illegal immigrants to take jobs away from true citizens. Bah... Let's vote someone into office that can make a change. (I don't think there is anyone right now.)
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:03:22 AM EDT
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Revolt! You make me lose my mind, make me forget what's rigth, you make me lose everything I always had to fight for, make me lose control, you make lose my soul, you make me lose everything I always stood up for It's time to take a stand, I've go to find a solution, it's time for me to plant, the plant of a revolution Chorus: Revolution It's time for a revolution I won't be satisfied till violence has died now don't you know that you're the reason why the people cry about the dreames you kill bout all the graves you fill bout all precious blood you always had to spill It's time to take a stand... Chorus Revolt! Man I've got to come down, down to reality, conspiracy rules the world and we can't close our eyes about the fact that disrespect lets the world be divide d in first, second, and third, though that will always be so and all I know, is that I have to show you that ain't right, and it's our plight to fight for the rights of the weak and thats why we need this RE-VO-LU-TION Chorus More from artist : H-BlockX More from album : Time to Move |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:13:42 AM EDT
[#34]
This is a completely different country than it was 20 years ago. Shit, 10 years ago.
I blame the "media" and EVERYONE who depends on the left side of their brain to do their thinking. Feelings have replaced logic and sensationalism has replaced truth. If some of you yahoos havent noticed, THERE IS NO RIGHT WING! The Republicans are slightly LEFT of center and the Democrats are miles to the left of them. The left-wingers complain that the media has a pro-Republican bias. THAT alone should tell you something. |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:18:47 AM EDT
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I suppose I can sum up my thoughts on the Revolution subject in this manner. I think the government has become too big and too powerful. I think our rights have been slowly eroded. I would like to see change. I would like to see this country return to its founding priniples. I don't think we can get there through the political process. In fact, I don't think we can get there without men who are willing to make some serious sacrifices. Revolution may be the answer, but is one that we would all have to consider seriously. Our lives are at stake, and if we don't change things, the future is at stake. Not just our future, but the future of our children and this great country. Yes, America is a great country, the greatest on earth. I want to see her remain that way. She is great because she was founded on principles that allowed men to be free. I love this country and I will do my part to ensure it remains the greatest country on earth.
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:18:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: This is a completely different country than it was 20 years ago. Shit, 10 years ago. I blame the "media" and EVERYONE who depends on the left side of their brain to do their thinking. Feelings have replaced logic and sensationalism has replaced truth. If some of you yahoos havent noticed, THERE IS NO RIGHT WING! The Republicans are slightly LEFT of center and the Democrats are miles to the left of them. The left-wingers complain that the media has a pro-Republican bias. THAT alone should tell you something. I am one of those wackos who does not believe in left and right. You are either free or your not! Freedom__________________________not free. See, no left or right[:D] |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:20:05 AM EDT
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I couldn't agree more. The affect of technology has helped this country a great deal, but hasn't it hindered it all the same? I mean 20 years ago were we watching bombs being dropped on another country and looking at it as entertainment? I don't think so. I know that during Vietnam the only thing that was thought in my family when they saw anything like that was I hope Jim (my father) is alright. Now it is sensationalized. Criminals and terrorists alike use the media to help their cause, and the government uses it like smoke and mirrors to show you what they want you to see.
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:21:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: This is a completely different country than it was 20 years ago. Shit, 10 years ago. I blame the "media" and EVERYONE who depends on the left side of their brain to do their thinking. Feelings have replaced logic and sensationalism has replaced truth. If some of you yahoos havent noticed, THERE IS NO RIGHT WING! The Republicans are slightly LEFT of center and the Democrats are miles to the left of them. The left-wingers complain that the media has a pro-Republican bias. THAT alone should tell you something. I agree with you. It is time to stand up and demand accountability from our leadership. Where did the right wing agenda go, you know, the one based on truth and not media hype? It's sad to see things deteriorate like they have. |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:22:42 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: [b]I don't think most people care about government abuses unless it directly affects them.[/b] The tax equation does directly effect them. I sold a demo in Texas in the early 80's on this issue alone. He became a repub. Now I do not like the repubs. or the demos. There is only a difference in degree not kind. And I always get trashed for saying that. Maybe I'll just be ignored from now on.[:D] If you will notice, one of the preferred methods of social control is monetary. 100% tax on ammo. The Federal Government promising highway funds to a state if the state will tighten DWI laws. Luxury taxes on boats, etc. The advocates of having a million and one different taxes aren't shy about why, either. It is well known that rich people are scum who like to stomp on the faces of the little people. It is well known that anybody who would buy a gun is a murder/accident waiting to happen. It is well known that SUV owners drive around looking for Honda Civics to run over. But it's all a huge mountain of tripe. Taxes are a revenue measure. A clear argument should be made about a service that only government can provide, and follow that with possibilities for revenue(tax on another product/service) that are closely related to the service. In this way, those that benefit the most will pay for it. This bullshit about "Let's tax Activity/Product A because I don't like it" has got to stop. |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:29:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: [b]I don't think most people care about government abuses unless it directly affects them.[/b] The tax equation does directly effect them. I sold a demo in Texas in the early 80's on this issue alone. He became a repub. Now I do not like the repubs. or the demos. There is only a difference in degree not kind. And I always get trashed for saying that. Maybe I'll just be ignored from now on.[:D] If you will notice, one of the preferred methods of social control is monetary. 100% tax on ammo. The Federal Government promising highway funds to a state if the state will tighten DWI laws. Luxury taxes on boats, etc. The advocates of having a million and one different taxes aren't shy about why, either. It is well known that rich people are scum who like to stomp on the faces of the little people. It is well known that anybody who would buy a gun is a murder/accident waiting to happen. It is well known that SUV owners drive around looking for Honda Civics to run over. But it's all a huge mountain of tripe. Taxes are a revenue measure. A clear argument should be made about a service that only government can provide, and follow that with possibilities for revenue(tax on another product/service) that are closely related to the service. In this way, those that benefit the most will pay for it. This bullshit about "Let's tax Activity/Product A because I don't like it" has got to stop. Ahhh, but it will never stop. The funny thing about this whole discussion, is that the founding fathers created this country over taxes and religion, and we are being taxed heavier, and they are beginning to oppress Christians worse than in their time. Go figure. |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:32:01 AM EDT
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Let's take foriegn aid, controlled by the government. We give out billions of dollars to countries that are having economical difficulties, and then we don't get it back. Instead we institute higher taxes that continue to put our country into further economical termoil, but yet the elected leaders do not care. Why don't they care? Because the sympathetic support helping the needy, but we are not shown the needy at home. Those who lost their jobs when the tech industry when under. Those who even though they got another job were unable to pay the bills, and lost everything. Those that are turned down for wellfare. Our budget deficite continues to rise, our homless grow in number, but we continue to make restrictions on aid within America while pouring the aid on other countries. Take care of your own first!
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:37:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Let's take foriegn aid, controlled by the government. We give out billions of dollars to countries that are having economical difficulties, and then we don't get it back. Instead we institute higher taxes that continue to put our country into further economical termoil, but yet the elected leaders do not care. Why don't they care? Because the sympathetic support helping the needy, but we are not shown the needy at home. Those who lost their jobs when the tech industry when under. Those who even though they got another job were unable to pay the bills, and lost everything. Those that are turned down for wellfare. Our budget deficite continues to rise, our homless grow in number, but we continue to make restrictions on aid within America while pouring the aid on other countries. Take care of your own first! Screw everyone else... how about giving the people back some of their own money??? Then bring our troops home and let them protect our borders. Cancel all the stupid social programs and make all the crack whores get jobs just like the rest of us. |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:40:28 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: Let's take foriegn aid, controlled by the government. We give out billions of dollars to countries that are having economical difficulties, and then we don't get it back. Instead we institute higher taxes that continue to put our country into further economical termoil, but yet the elected leaders do not care. Why don't they care? Because the sympathetic support helping the needy, but we are not shown the needy at home. Those who lost their jobs when the tech industry when under. Those who even though they got another job were unable to pay the bills, and lost everything. Those that are turned down for wellfare. Our budget deficite continues to rise, our homless grow in number, but we continue to make restrictions on aid within America while pouring the aid on other countries. Take care of your own first! I was just layed of from the high tech industry, after surviving six previous lay-offs. The gov. is sending me back to school to be a nurse under the warn act. It seems they shipped my job over seas, and I decided to get into a field they have not been shipping over seas.[:D] |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:42:52 AM EDT
[#44]
I would like to add, I am going to actually get some of my tax dollars back after all of these years.
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:45:29 AM EDT
[#45]
You know, even though it is off the subject, there was a time, not too long ago, when a family could readily survive on a single income. This is not very true of late, but that I blame on border control (yet another government agency). I am not an advocate of racism, but I do not like that fact that jobs are frequently taken by people willing to work for less than minimum wage because they are not legally in the U.S. I have seen first hand a group of 5 people working for 10 dollars an hour. This was on a construction site, and less than a year ago. You can't pay two people minimum wage for that. So what do we do? If we find them we might deport them, but more than likely we will help them become legals, all the while providing aid so that the five families no longer need to live in the same house. I am leaving out those that commit crimes and are sentenced to prison in the us costing a minimum 45,000 a year in *taxpayer* money. This is just another way that the government keeps our best intrests in mind. My family came here 10 generations ago, and I do believe that it was legal.
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:45:57 AM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: I would like to add, I am going to actually get some of my tax dollars back after all of these years. Still won't be near what you paid in, but glad your getting something back! |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:46:54 AM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: I would like to add, I am going to actually get some of my tax dollars back after all of these years. Must be nice. I am taking some myself, GI BILL. I paid for it, but I am getting a little more out of it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:49:04 AM EDT
[#48]
Quoted: I would like to add, I am going to actually get some of my tax dollars back after all of these years. I thought about going to the IRS office and asking for my money back. I'll just tell them I know how to spend it better than they do. Of course, they can most assuredly spend it faster... |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:50:18 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: You know, even though it is off the subject, there was a time, not too long ago, when a family could readily survive on a single income. This is not very true of late, but that I blame on border control (yet another government agency). I am not an advocate of racism, but I do not like that fact that jobs are frequently taken by people willing to work for less than minimum wage because they are not legally in the U.S. I have seen first hand a group of 5 people working for 10 dollars an hour. This was on a construction site, and less than a year ago. You can't pay two people minimum wage for that. So what do we do? If we find them we might deport them, but more than likely we will help them become legals, all the while providing aid so that the five families no longer need to live in the same house. I am leaving out those that commit crimes and are sentenced to prison in the us costing a minimum 45,000 a year in *taxpayer* money. This is just another way that the government keeps our best intrests in mind. My family came here 10 generations ago, and I do believe that it was legal. I can one-up that. In the fiftys' a janitor could support his family, own a car, and still save up to put his kids thru school. |
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Posted: 12/20/2002 12:52:44 AM EDT
[#50]
Quoted: Let's take foriegn aid, controlled by the government. We give out billions of dollars to countries that are having economical difficulties, and then we don't get it back. Instead we institute higher taxes that continue to put our country into further economical termoil, but yet the elected leaders do not care. Why don't they care? Because the sympathetic support helping the needy, but we are not shown the needy at home. Those who lost their jobs when the tech industry when under. Those who even though they got another job were unable to pay the bills, and lost everything. Those that are turned down for wellfare. Our budget deficite continues to rise, our homless grow in number, but we continue to make restrictions on aid within America while pouring the aid on other countries. Take care of your own first! That question is always asked without specifying exactly what Bush is supposed to do. The economy does not run on Bush's labor. The economy runs on the labor of all who are employed. People act like the economy would disappear tomorrow if Bush wanted it to, and it would jump to mid-'20s/mid-'90s level "if Bush cared to do something". WTF is he supposed to do? People can whine about Bush's crappy economic leadership, and assuage their conscience about helping those less fortunate. Nothing gets done, and the jobless person still doesn't have a job. I always ask, "What about a company you can create to meet a demand not met until now, or to do a better job than another company, and employ other people in it?" Some people keep whining about Bush, and some just shut up. Taxes/economy piss me off more than gun control does. |
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