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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:52:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Of course its highly regionally dependent.Quoted: Quoted: Somewhere other than back into the aquifer. So it isn't a shortage of water is it? It's a location issue, and a matter of competing for finite resources. Aka, a shortage? Not in my AO. Must be your location. That's why some places have bans on watering your lawns during certain times of the year, while other places never would even dream of needing to do that. For example, I grew up on the shores of Lake Erie in a City where the water was taken from the lake, no one ever cared if you turned on your hose and left it run all day (well, okay, I'm sure the energy hippies cared, because it takes energy to clean the water  .) As far as the government goes, I bet the city would love you if you did that because your water bill is going to be astronomical. No one is saying that its a problem that everyone is dealing with. Just that there are plenty of arid regions where it a problem. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:53:21 AM EDT
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So it isn't a shortage of water is it? It's a location issue, and a matter of competing for finite resources. Aka, a shortage? Do we have less water on Earth than we did 1,000 years ago, or do we just have more people with a higher demand for water? Again, isn't that the definition of a shortage? Or am I totally missing something? 
It's really a question of allocating finite resources. Some prefer to compete for those resources, others believe that they should be distributed according to need. What would GD look like right now, if instead of complaining about price gouging, everyone was complaining about a Pmag shortage and trying to convince others that they should use fewer? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:57:16 AM EDT
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...snip... Do we have less water on Earth than we did 1,000 years ago, or do we just have more people with a higher demand for water? We have both less usable water on earth than we did 1,000 years ago, and we have more people with a higher demand for water. And to be clear, by 'usable water', I don't mean salt water, which yes, I know we have literally oceans of. Sounds good, but fails to account for the fact that in my AO, the salt water nearby is the major source for rainwater that recharges the groundwater less than 200 feet beneath my feet. How big is your AO? Can we grow all our crops in it? If so, that is great and concerns about usable water shortages are indeed unfounded. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:57:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: I would tell everyone who is buying Pmags now and crushing them with a truck that they are a retard.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So it isn't a shortage of water is it? It's a location issue, and a matter of competing for finite resources. Aka, a shortage? Do we have less water on Earth than we did 1,000 years ago, or do we just have more people with a higher demand for water? Again, isn't that the definition of a shortage? Or am I totally missing something? It's really a question of allocating finite resources. Some prefer to compete for those resources, others believe that they should be distributed according to need. What would GD look like right now, if instead of complaining about price gouging, everyone was complaining about a Pmag shortage and trying to convince others that they should use fewer? Just like I would tell everyone who is wasting water from a finite aquifer that they are a retard. People may not like being told that their behavior is not sustainable, but it doesn't mean it isn't true. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:58:27 AM EDT
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...snip... Do we have less water on Earth than we did 1,000 years ago, or do we just have more people with a higher demand for water? We have both less usable water on earth than we did 1,000 years ago, and we have more people with a higher demand for water. And to be clear, by 'usable water', I don't mean salt water, which yes, I know we have literally oceans of. Do you know that drinking water can be and is being made from salt water? How much energy does it take to desalinate water vs pumping it out of the ground? If energy gets cheap enough it won't really be an issue, but that may not happen very soon. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:58:50 AM EDT
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that entirely depends on the hydrogeology of your area. what aquifer are you drawing from? shallow or deep? is it protected by an aquitard? what is the rate of surface water infiltration how high on the stream are you? are you drawing fossil water? where are your recharge zones? what is the wastewater scheme for your area? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:00:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ...snip... Do we have less water on Earth than we did 1,000 years ago, or do we just have more people with a higher demand for water? We have both less usable water on earth than we did 1,000 years ago, and we have more people with a higher demand for water. And to be clear, by 'usable water', I don't mean salt water, which yes, I know we have literally oceans of. Do you know that drinking water can be and is being made from salt water? do you have any idea how expensive and energy-intensive desal is? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:05:02 PM EDT
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this is what happens when people forget that the water cycle is a budget. here is the aral sea, the world's largest body of brackish water. overexploitation of the syr darya and amu darya rivers for agricultural purposes led to this...
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:09:57 PM EDT
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I would tell everyone who is buying Pmags now and crushing them with a truck that they are a retard.
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Again, isn't that the definition of a shortage? Or am I totally missing something?
It's really a question of allocating finite resources. Some prefer to compete for those resources, others believe that they should be distributed according to need. What would GD look like right now, if instead of complaining about price gouging, everyone was complaining about a Pmag shortage and trying to convince others that they should use fewer? Just like I would tell everyone who is wasting water from a finite aquifer that they are a retard. People may not like being told that their behavior is not sustainable, but it doesn't mean it isn't true. Well sure, it's not like Pmags fall from the sky or anything, but are you telling me a crushed Pmag cannot be reassembled or reconstructed, or are you going back to the notion that water is being destroyed? Either way, I paid value for my Pmags, and I'll do whatever I want with them. I don't have a problem with you having an opinion, you're are entitled to it. I would have a problem with the imposition of your opinion on how I use my property through the implied or actual use of force by the government. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:12:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: this is what happens when people forget that the water cycle is a budget. here is the aral sea, the world's largest body of brackish water. overexploitation of the syr darya and amu darya rivers for agricultural purposes led to this... Thanks, I had never heard about that before. Interesting stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:14:25 PM EDT
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this is what happens when people forget that the water cycle is a budget. here is the aral sea, the world's largest body of brackish water. overexploitation of the syr darya and amu darya rivers for agricultural purposes led to this... The earth is an ever changing dynamic system. I live where there used to be a mile deep lake and before that a mile deep glacier. Pushing sky is falling propaganda based on 40 years of data is not just bad science, it is fraud. See global warming/climate change. Look up Devils Lake North Dakota and get back to me about having too little water. Edit: and we can blame the aral sea on communism. Central planning for the win!!! And what do we want to do? Central plan carbon output and CFC output and ... Socialism/communism is the worlds largest polluter. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:15:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Once the water evaporates and goes elsewhere there is no way you can use it again, so yeah, its just the same as destroying it as far as you and your AO are concerned.Quoted: Well sure, it's not like Pmags fall from the sky or anything, but are you telling me a crushed Pmag cannot be reassembled or reconstructed, or are you going back to the notion that water is being destroyed? Either way, I paid value for my Pmags, and I'll do whatever I want with them. I don't have a problem with you having an opinion, you're are entitled to it. I would have a problem with the imposition of your opinion on how I use my property through the implied or actual use of force by the government. Which is meaningless if your use of your property impacts the use of other people's property. Like it or not "water rights" are a big issue and always have been. You can bet your ass that the government will be involved with something like a shared aquifer if they aren't already involved. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:19:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just like the the whole line of "the earth is always changing so what we do isn't a problem" is an elaborate way of trying to convince everyone the naked emperor is fully clothed.Quoted: this is what happens when people forget that the water cycle is a budget. here is the aral sea, the world's largest body of brackish water. overexploitation of the syr darya and amu darya rivers for agricultural purposes led to this... The earth is an ever changing dynamic system. I live where there used to be a mile deep lake and before that a mile deep glacier. Pushing sky is falling propaganda based on 40 years of data is not just bad science, it is fraud. See global warming/climate change. Look up Devils Lake North Dakota and get back to me about having too little water. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:26:52 PM EDT
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Just like the the whole line of "the earth is always changing so what we do isn't a problem" is an elaborate way of trying to convince everyone the naked emperor is fully clothed.
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this is what happens when people forget that the water cycle is a budget. here is the aral sea, the world's largest body of brackish water. overexploitation of the syr darya and amu darya rivers for agricultural purposes led to this... The earth is an ever changing dynamic system. I live where there used to be a mile deep lake and before that a mile deep glacier. Pushing sky is falling propaganda based on 40 years of data is not just bad science, it is fraud. See global warming/climate change. Look up Devils Lake North Dakota and get back to me about having too little water. Chicken little gets ignored when they say the sky is falling too many times. Especially when chicken little depends on small sample sizes, ignores data, hides data and generally lies to the public. You going to post a hockey stick graph now? You work for a university, don't you? How much grant money do you get for sky is falling scenarios? Follow the money. The bigger the calamity, the more money academia can get from uncle sugar. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:28:15 PM EDT
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Once the water evaporates and goes elsewhere there is no way you can use it again, so yeah, its just the same as destroying it as far as you and your AO are concerned.
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Well sure, it's not like Pmags fall from the sky or anything, but are you telling me a crushed Pmag cannot be reassembled or reconstructed, or are you going back to the notion that water is being destroyed? Either way, I paid value for my Pmags, and I'll do whatever I want with them. I don't have a problem with you having an opinion, you're are entitled to it. I would have a problem with the imposition of your opinion on how I use my property through the implied or actual use of force by the government. Which is meaningless if your use of your property impacts the use of other people's property. Like it or not "water rights" are a big issue and always have been. You can bet your ass that the government will be involved with something like a shared aquifer if they aren't already involved. We're not talking about externalities here unless you've decide that water consumption (aside from flooding my neighbor's land) is a form of pollution. We're not talking about riparian rights, and the like, though are we, or are you telling me that they should be extended to those off site? Are you saying that the right to draw water off of a source should be extended beyond the land owners under, over and through which the water flow or accumulates should be extended beyond those lands? How far? All property that adjoins the land? Everyone in the county? Why not just nationalize it? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:29:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just like the the whole line of "the earth is always changing so what we do isn't a problem" is an elaborate way of trying to convince everyone the naked emperor is fully clothed.Quoted: this is what happens when people forget that the water cycle is a budget. here is the aral sea, the world's largest body of brackish water. overexploitation of the syr darya and amu darya rivers for agricultural purposes led to this... The earth is an ever changing dynamic system. I live where there used to be a mile deep lake and before that a mile deep glacier. Pushing sky is falling propaganda based on 40 years of data is not just bad science, it is fraud. See global warming/climate change. Look up Devils Lake North Dakota and get back to me about having too little water. Chicken little gets ignored when they say the sky is falling too many times. Especially when chicken little depends on small sample sizes, ignores data, hides data and generally lies to the public. Funny the same can be said about the ostriches with their heads in the sand. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:31:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: The earth is an ever changing dynamic system. I live where there used to be a mile deep lake and before that a mile deep glacier. Pushing sky is falling propaganda based on 40 years of data is not just bad science, it is fraud. See global warming/climate change. Look up Devils Lake North Dakota and get back to me about having too little water. you seem to be making an environmental point that everything will even out over the long haul, but that's not really the issue. the issue is based on simple hydrology--there is a limit to how much water the natural water cycle can render fresh and available for human consumption. there are 3 major reservoirs for water: oceanic, atmospheric, and terrestrial (including the cryosphere). from a practical point of view, we can only access terrestrial water on any kind of significant scale. so when we put more water into unusable reservoirs, it decreases the availability of the resource for consumers like agriculture and industry. globally, the demand for available fresh water is increasing while the supply is decreasing--it's a simple economics question that will inevitably drive up the cost of water.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:31:43 PM EDT
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Soooo 1990's. No scientific proof and only hysterical mother earth types believe the claptrap. Move on - the USA is not destroying the planet. yep. them satellite pichers of trees disappearin is as faked as that there "moon landing". If the rain forest is being destroyed it's them Amazonians, not America...FFS Not my problem, let them self destruct if they want. there are plenty of trees in America and Eurasia... |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:33:02 PM EDT
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You must be a big carbon tax proponent too, comrade. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:33:42 PM EDT
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So it isn't a shortage of water is it? It's a location issue, and a matter of competing for finite resources. Aka, a shortage? Do we have less water on Earth than we did 1,000 years ago, or do we just have more people with a higher demand for water? Again, isn't that the definition of a shortage? Or am I totally missing something?
It's really a question of allocating finite resources. Some prefer to compete for those resources, others believe that they should be distributed according to need. What would GD look like right now, if instead of complaining about price gouging, everyone was complaining about a Pmag shortage and trying to convince others that they should use fewer? Rather than wait in line, or have my pmags on backorder, I prefer to continue to shop around for a location with some in stock. But that's just me. 
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:36:18 PM EDT
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The earth is an ever changing dynamic system. I live where there used to be a mile deep lake and before that a mile deep glacier. Pushing sky is falling propaganda based on 40 years of data is not just bad science, it is fraud. See global warming/climate change. Look up Devils Lake North Dakota and get back to me about having too little water. you seem to be making an environmental point that everything will even out over the long haul, but that's not really the issue. the issue is based on simple hydrology--there is a limit to how much water the natural water cycle can render fresh and available for human consumption. there are 3 major reservoirs for water: oceanic, atmospheric, and terrestrial (including the cryosphere). from a practical point of view, we can only access terrestrial water on any kind of significant scale. so when we put more water into unusable reservoirs, it decreases the availability of the resource for consumers like agriculture and industry. globally, the demand for available fresh water is increasing while the supply is decreasing--it's a simple economics question that will inevitably drive up the cost of water. You assume water in oceans stay in the ocean? And water in the atmosphere stays there? Really? What you are talking about is a distribution problem, not a shortage. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:36:40 PM EDT
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Soooo 1990's. No scientific proof and only hysterical mother earth types believe the claptrap. Move on - the USA is not destroying the planet. yep. them satellite pichers of trees disappearin is as faked as that there "moon landing". If the rain forest is being destroyed it's them Amazonians, not America...FFS Not my problem, let them self destruct if they want. there are plenty of trees in America and Eurasia... It's Gibson guitar's fault... |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:36:53 PM EDT
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The earth is an ever changing dynamic system. I live where there used to be a mile deep lake and before that a mile deep glacier. Pushing sky is falling propaganda based on 40 years of data is not just bad science, it is fraud. See global warming/climate change. Look up Devils Lake North Dakota and get back to me about having too little water. you seem to be making an environmental point that everything will even out over the long haul, but that's not really the issue. the issue is based on simple hydrology--there is a limit to how much water the natural water cycle can render fresh and available for human consumption. there are 3 major reservoirs for water: oceanic, atmospheric, and terrestrial (including the cryosphere). from a practical point of view, we can only access terrestrial water on any kind of significant scale. so when we put more water into unusable reservoirs, it decreases the availability of the resource for consumers like agriculture and industry. globally, the demand for available fresh water is increasing while the supply is decreasing--it's a simple economics question that will inevitably drive up the cost of water. So let's artificially increase the cost of water so we can avoid an increase in the cost of water? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:36:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Soooo 1990's. No scientific proof and only hysterical mother earth types believe the claptrap. Move on - the USA is not destroying the planet. yep. them satellite pichers of trees disappearin is as faked as that there "moon landing". If the rain forest is being destroyed it's them Amazonians, not America...FFS Not my problem, let them self destruct if they want. there are plenty of trees in America and Eurasia... |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:37:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: 1) With increased understanding of hydrology, I wouldn't be surprised if ideas about surface water get transferred to subsurface water. It will depend on local law to see how that plays out.Quoted: Quoted: Once the water evaporates and goes elsewhere there is no way you can use it again, so yeah, its just the same as destroying it as far as you and your AO are concerned.Quoted: Well sure, it's not like Pmags fall from the sky or anything, but are you telling me a crushed Pmag cannot be reassembled or reconstructed, or are you going back to the notion that water is being destroyed? Either way, I paid value for my Pmags, and I'll do whatever I want with them. I don't have a problem with you having an opinion, you're are entitled to it. I would have a problem with the imposition of your opinion on how I use my property through the implied or actual use of force by the government. Which is meaningless if your use of your property impacts the use of other people's property. Like it or not "water rights" are a big issue and always have been. You can bet your ass that the government will be involved with something like a shared aquifer if they aren't already involved. We're not talking about externalities here unless you've decide that water consumption (aside from flooding my neighbor's land) is a form of pollution. We're not talking about riparian rights, and the like, though are we, or are you telling me that they should be extended to those off site? Are you saying that the right to draw water off of a source should be extended beyond the land owners under, over and through which the water flow or accumulates should be extended beyond those lands? How far? All property that adjoins the land? Everyone in the county? Why not just nationalize it? 2) Nationalization? Don't laugh, I fear its not going to be out of the question eventually. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:37:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Chicken little gets ignored when they say the sky is falling too many times. Especially when chicken little depends on small sample sizes, ignores data, hides data and generally lies to the public. Funny the same can be said about the ostriches with their heads in the sand. You must be a big carbon tax proponent too, comrade. And you must believe the earth is the center of the universe, and those who teach otherwise should be excommunicated and placed under house arrest. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:39:37 PM EDT
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How much grant money do you get from uncle sugar again? You going to provide a little disclosure here? Edit: Look. The arrogant academic thinks I am a fundamentalist Christian because I disagree with trumped up scientific theories that cost society trillions of dollars. How cute and how mistaken. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:41:48 PM EDT
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2) Nationalization? Don't laugh, I fear its not going to be out of the question eventually. Trust me. I'm not laughing. BTW, while were on the topic of the nationalization of resources, did you know that real estate is in finite supply as well? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:44:32 PM EDT
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[quote tree removed] ant money do you get from uncle sugar again? You going to provide a little disclosure here?
Edit: Look. The arrogant academic thinks I am a fundamentalist Christian because I disagree with trumped up scientific theories that cost society trillions of dollars. How cute and how mistaken.[/quote] Look, the arrogant non-academic thinks I'm a communist because I can understand reality. ETA::You realize my retarded assumption as more or less a strawman in response to your own, more retarded assumption? Tell you what: I will send you all of my ar15 gear (guns, mags, ammo, slings, every fucking thing) if you could find a single post where I have ever supported a carbon tax. 
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:48:05 PM EDT
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Plagiarism is frowned on in academia. Might want to come up with your own retorts in the future. Get any good grants lately? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:49:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You must be a big carbon tax proponent too, comrade. And you must believe the earth is flat, comrade. How much grant money do you get from uncle sugar again? You going to provide a little disclosure here? Edit: Look. The arrogant academic thinks I am a fundamentalist Christian because I disagree with trumped up scientific theories that cost society trillions of dollars. How cute and how mistaken. Look, the arrogant academic thinks I'm a communist because I can understand reality. Plagiarism is frowned on in academia. Might want to come up with your own retorts in the future. Get any good grants lately? Typical. Since your argument has no basis in reality, you feel the need to change the subject. Point is: there are real problems that exist, and people like you live their lives with their heads in the sand pretending that they don't. And I'm not talking about the environment, I'm talking about everything. ETA::Oh, and reading your post, how much grant money do i get from uncle sugar? $0.  ETA2::In fact, the research I involves petroleum based products, so I'm sure Obama and the EPA hate me. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:50:40 PM EDT
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C'mon guys. This was an interesting debate up until the ad hominems started getting tossed around.
ETA: Doodoo heads. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:50:41 PM EDT
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Deforestation is still a very big problem.
Of course, it's not as big a problem as your favorite for american idol taking second place... |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:51:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: ... globally, the demand for available fresh water is increasing while the supply is decreasing--it's a simple economics question that will inevitably drive up the cost of water. You assume water in oceans stay in the ocean? And water in the atmosphere stays there? Really? What you are talking about is a distribution problem, not a shortage. do you really need this explained to you? the distribution problem of water is precisely the reason for a shortage of available fresh water--the kind of water we can use. water in a cloud is not immediately useful for us, so it doesn't matter how much is in the clouds at any given moment. the only thing that matters in terms of resource availability is how much water is actually usable. imagine yourself living in an airtight greenhouse. you exhale CO2 (unusable for you), and the plants exhale O2 (usable for you). you're at equilibrium--everything works fine. now bring in 50 more people, but no more plants. even though there is the same amount of oxygen atoms, the plants cannot cycle the CO2 fast enough to maintain a usable level of O2. not a perfect analogy, but you get the point--it doesn't matter how many total oxygen atoms there are--the oxygen has to be in a useful state. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:52:45 PM EDT
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Spotted Owls. I'll see your spotted owls and raise you kangaroo rats. 
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:54:22 PM EDT
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Its not rocket surgery here. 
Mind if I use that one! 
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:54:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: C'mon guys. This was an interesting debate up until the ad hominems started getting tossed around. ETA: Doodoo heads. But he started it. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:55:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Ha, its not mine.Quoted: Its not rocket surgery here. Mind if I use that one! Plenty of people use it all over the place, including on this site. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:57:59 PM EDT
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From my understanding the destruction of the rain forest is still an issue. The hole in the ozone layer issue was solved by a relatively easy change over to different chemicals in the products that were believed to be causing the hole. As it turned out, the rain forest is not really being destroyed. Sorry sting, kind of embarrassing. It could be they made all the money they could off that scam, now they"re moving on. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:58:59 PM EDT
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From my understanding the destruction of the rain forest is still an issue. The hole in the ozone layer issue was solved by a relatively easy change over to different chemicals in the products that were believed to be causing the hole. 
All those "bad" chemicals? They are all still entering the atmosphere. From leaking old appliences, to black-market freon from Latin America, China, and India, those chloroflourocarbons are still entering the atmosphere. The "problem" went away because it was a made-up bullshit problem. The "problem" was a lower level of ozone, a chemical created by sunlight striking the upper atmosphere, in air isloated by polar vortexes, at the end of the polar night - which, if you recall from grade school science classes is SIX FRIGGIN' MONTHS LONG! Wow! A low level of a sunlight generated chemical in an isloated pool of air that hasn't seen sunligh for half a year - go figure. Lucky for us, we don't grow corn or sunbathe at the North Pole, in the midddle of winter. Of course, CLAIMING to solve the problem? Yeah, they do that. The NEW money maker for science fraud is Anthropogenic Global Warming Climate Change. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 12:59:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted:... So let's artificially increase the cost of water so we can avoid an increase in the cost of water? where did i say anything about artificially increasing the cost of anything? i mean, economic allocation of water rights is an interesting conversation, but here i'm just talking about the reality of resource availability. available fresh water is finite--some people don't want to face that. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:01:16 PM EDT
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I thought Obama was supposed to raise his hands in the air and the hole in the ozone layer was to magically close and the trees in the amazon would regrow, and the waters would recede and birds would sing, and .... Cpt Unicorn dust was also gonna use his magic touch to lower the rise of the waters as well |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:01:27 PM EDT
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Peak Helium is what concerns me. What will float our balloons when this finite element has been depleted from the Earth?
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:02:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: All those "bad" chemicals? They are all still entering the atmosphere. From leaking old appliences, to black-market freon from Latin America, China, and India, those chloroflourocarbons are still entering the atmosphere. The "problem" went away because it was a made-up bullshit problem. The "problem" was a lower level of ozone, a chemical created by sunlight striking the upper atmosphere, in air isloated by polar vortexes, at the end of the polar night - which, if you recall from grade school science classes is SIX FRIGGIN' MONTHS LONG! Wow! A low level of a sunlight generated chemical in an isloated pool of air that hasn't seen sunligh for half a year - go figure. Lucky for us, we don't grow corn or sunbathe at the North Pole, in the midddle of winter. 6th graders also learn the difference between the arctic and the antarctic, and the north pole from the south. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:03:06 PM EDT
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The only solution to our shortages problem is to limit the population. You don't have the right to breed like a rabbit spreading resource hungry children. What has worked in other countries are reasonable restrictions on the number of children one woman can have. Nobody needs seven children. One seems to be a more rational and supportable number.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:04:05 PM EDT
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Why don't we worry about the rainforests being destroyed anymore? Or the hole in the ozone layer going out of control? Acid Rain, Water Shortage with no clean drinking water by 1999, CFC's, DDT, Because using a resource at a faster rate than its replenished is something that can continue forever. 
Scarcity raises prices which reduces use and makes profitable new supplies. Free Market - how does that work? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:04:15 PM EDT
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So let's artificially increase the cost of water so we can avoid an increase in the cost of water? where did i say anything about artificially increasing the cost of anything? i mean, economic allocation of water rights is an interesting conversation, but here i'm just talking about the reality of resource availability. available fresh water is finite--some people don't want to face that. What are the proposed solutions to the water shortage? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:04:51 PM EDT
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into an unusable state. If only we had a giant thermal souce in the sky to re-distill it for us ..... |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:04:58 PM EDT
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Some people are prone to buying in to every "scare" that is spouted out by someone with a vested interest.
1970's we were to be out of gas, water, oil, trees, ozone and in the middle of an ice age by the mid 1990's. The same people who bought in to that are now spouting this bullshit about MMGW. Flipping droughts happen, rainy seasons happen, it gets warm, it gets cold. Just look at the Dust Bowl in the early 20th century, water did not come, people got hungry and moved to where the water is. Derpy. Humans are so arrogant. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 1:06:15 PM EDT
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So let's artificially increase the cost of water so we can avoid an increase in the cost of water? where did i say anything about artificially increasing the cost of anything? i mean, economic allocation of water rights is an interesting conversation, but here i'm just talking about the reality of resource availability. available fresh water is finite--some people don't want to face that. What are the proposed solutions to the water shortage? Privatize it - all your raindrops are belong to us! |
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