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WRONG...they cannot arrest for a felony only be a witness. LE is the only ones who can arrest for a felony (CA). This guy is a dumbass. Why didn't he just use his cell phone and call the local PD...common sense to me. I am not pulling anyone over while off duty. He is part of the problem not all of it but he cause some of this by pulling her over...illegally. He stopped her from continueing on her way by using vehilce to impead her passage(felony in CA). Finally, why are you wearing your uniform home in your POV? |
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strawmen arent attractive. Thanks for trying though. |
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Why should he have to get changed to drive home? |
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There you go I fixed your statement for accuracy. |
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First, 911 tapes do not miraculously appear immediately after the incident. They get released once the investigation is complete. Second, did you read the update? There were witnesses to the incident, including a soldier who also stopped and approached the woman with the LEO.... They tell a completely different story... One woman's version vs. that of an LEO, a soldier and several other witnesses.... Assuming the update is factual (yet to be determined) I'm leaning heavily on the side that that the woman was involved in a hit and run, tried to flee the scene and got caught... |
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Do tapes become ineligable for freedom of information requests once an investigation begins? |
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Personal preference, but it does not seem too smart to me. When off duty act like an off duty cop not one who goes around and tries to be copman all the time. I at least took off my shirt and vest and went home in my pants boots and t-shirt. |
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There's a whole lot of things in this world to get worked up about. An officer wearing their uniform during the commute is not one of them for me. |
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No, but like the investigation itself a FOIA request takes time to get and process. Things don't happen overnight.. I'm looking forward to the witness statements. They'll tell the story.. |
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Not really gettin worked up about it, just thinks it stupid. I had a friend who was driving to an interview and had his hanging in the back window. Two rounds struck his rear quarter panel while on the freeway in LA. If you choose to go ahead, that is what is great about choice. Personally I think it is stupid. |
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Evidently, I read something different from you. There was no collision. Just the cop running over a curb. Hit and Run require a collision, or we inventing stuff here to back the buddy in blue. I don't believe the update. The story didn't name the witnesses for one and it was just a quote from his family not any witnesses. That's "hearsay" 3rd hand knowledge at best. That's like me saying "My wife saw Elvis last week and it was witnessed by Dick Chenny". Dick Chenny is an irreruftable sorce ya know. |
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Semantics. At the very least its reckless driving if she was in the opposite lane and causes an accident... I don't know their State specific laws in order to comment further on what additional charges she may face if the LEOs version is proven true.
Your prerogative. I never stated i believed the LEOs version, either..I clearly stated "Assuming the update is factual." Also stated in a later post that I'm awaiting witness statements as they'll tell the story....
Witness names and statements will come out in the ensuing police report and investigation, which I am waiting for before making a decision. Unlike you, who has already discounted any version other than the woman's....Biased are we? |
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You are incorrect. A no-contact vehicle can be found at fault for damages that occur to another vehicle in a situation like this. |
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Lets make it clear not everybody from CA is totally ignorant about the laws here. Penal Code 834. An arrest is taking a person into custody, in a case and in the manner authorized by law. An arrest may be made by a peace officer or by a private person. 835. An arrest is made by an actual restraint of the person, or by submission to the custody of an officer. The person arrested may be subjected to such restraint as is reasonable for his arrest and detention. 837. A private person may arrest another: 1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence. 2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence. 3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it. 838. A magistrate may orally order a peace officer or private person to arrest any one committing or attempting to commit a public offense in the presence of such magistrate. CA has close to, if not the least restrictive laws regarding private person/citizens arrest in the country. And lots of LEO wear their uniforms to and from work. |
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You sure messed up on learning the laws in CA regarding private persons arrest, you sure you were an LEO? or just a mall ninja? that's a pretty basic thing, what do you do as an LEO if a private person makes an arrest? |
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You guys crack me up.
Just because the tapes are not released the next day does not mean their is any type of cover up. They have these things called investigations. It will eventually be released. I'm leaning towards they are looking at charges against the female. Oh, I wear my full uniform during my commute to work and back. I also get out at the local stop and rob in uniform. |
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Your post is full of fail. Private persons can and do make arrests for felonies committed in their presence. I direct you to sections 830 and further of the Ca Penal Code. Might want to focus on the 835-836 sections. |
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Add to that the fact that the tapes will only prove what both parties have already stated, that the LEO was pissed and yelling at her (I would be too if she ran me off the road), and it doesn't prove anything. The witness statements, especially those of the soldier that also stopped the woman with the LEO, is what will tell the story of what happened. |
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Assuming they exist. So far they only exist as Hearsay from a 3rd party source blood related to the accused (the cop). |
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And so far, we have the unverified account of a person making a claim. |
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Both stories are self serving at this point. |
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If they would only release the tape......... Everytime I've seen something on the news about a regular citizen doing bad things and there is a 911 tape, it's aired that day on the news......hmmm double standard maybe ??? |
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Selective memory? There are plenty of cases both ways. Some release bad cop videos right away, some release bad citizens right away. |
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OMFG! The tape won't prove anything that both parties haven't already admitted to. Its what happened before the LEO initiated the stop that will prove whether it was justified or not...Ergo the witness statements, and they won't be released until the inestigation is complete. |
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Yes you are correct. My dept policy is that we do not accept felony private person arrest....we REARREST for the felony. My bad, Sorry for gettiing your panties in a bunch! |
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She should have called 911 before pulling over.
Edited: read the update. IF it is accurate, she is a dumbass. |
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It doesn't get any more accurate than that. |
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Forget it, guys, Baldmonk obviously has intel and experience we don't: A cop was involved, therefore there's a cover up. Any of us who defend the cop - even if we simply say "wait for the tape / investigation results" are called__________________ Any failure to release the 9-1-1 tapes isn't due to procedure - Baldmonk knows this through his watching of the news. We concede, your omnipotence. You caught us again, blindly backing a brother cop based on incomplete intel from news reports instead of making an informed decision after an official inquiry was complete. OOPS.. our "bad". |
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How does that work? Seems like you are setting up the private person/CA for wrongful arrest suits - I'm thinking of shoplifting/burglary arrests from LP folks in particular. Brian |
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Cops should NEVER pull someone over unless in a marked car and in uniform and in their own jurisdiction.
When I was a kid someone was blocking the road and I went around him and flicked him off. He then did a 3 point turn and flew up to me and at the stop sign pulled in front of me in the middle of the intersection and ran out of his car. He then screamed for my license and never produced a badge. I was scared that this guy was gonna kill me when he got out of his car. Later I told my dad and he chewed me out for even stopping. If that happend now things would go down a little differnt. Im gonna be called a dunbass for this but it was nearly 15 years ago and I was a dumbass kid and wasnt thinking. |
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Oh....oh parts of the tape are starting to leak out and the Police Chief is now investigating instead of defending like before. Can't wait till it comes out.
I bet the officer wishes he was never recorded now. linky |
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I looked but where is the link for the audio? |
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You forgot they need to be wearing their hat also |
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i have nothing to add other than the last time i was in radcliffe i saw an abnormal mullet to normal hairdo ratio.
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Kinda crappy quality on this www.whas11.com/news/local/stories/whas11_topstory_080718_followup_cop.6abe4923.html |
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Department Policy is usually supplemental to the law. Policy doesn't necessarily make it right make it right. |
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I was always told that if someone drives crazy and seems like they are coming into your lane, that you are suppose to hit them. Because if you drive off the road into a ditch or another car you insurance sees it as your fault, especially if the other person, doesn't stop.
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while the officer may have had poor judgment in his actions and reacted
harshly to the situation, he may very well have been justified to make the stop, if memory serves me correctly in the state of kentucky an officer of a class 5 city or larger has state wide jurisdiction. so he may have made a stupid call but acted with in the law |
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