Puerto Rico revamps their guns laws. 1/1/20 Shall Issue, Recognizes all CCWs, NFA Friendly - Page 2

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Posted: 12/16/2019 12:27:54 PM EDT

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Really? Damn. That is cool.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:28:14 PM EDT

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Still a shit hole. But at least they appear to be able to somewhat comprehend the constitution. Wish the fucking USSC could do the same.

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This is a direct result of Heller.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:28:16 PM EDT

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But we don’t require a government permit to own a gun. There is a ton of shit here that is legal and off the books.

Also, all mags made prior to freedom week are grandfathered in if they are in state

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You can't own non nurtured ARs and 30rd mags unless you were grandfathered in. Also you can't get a ton of handguns because of your roster.

PR now has better gun laws than a number of states.

But we don’t require a government permit to own a gun. There is a ton of shit here that is legal and off the books.

Also, all mags made prior to freedom week are grandfathered in if they are in state

You guys are arguing about which end of the turd is the clean end.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:28:49 PM EDT

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Someone send this news to the Virginia Governor.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:30:45 PM EDT

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That is awesome!

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:31:14 PM EDT

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Yup, the PR Level Courts ruled for a year that they were Constitutional Carry and no Gun Laws were Constitutional. The Government appealed to the Federal Appellate Level (not SCOTUS) and the PR Courts were overruled.

That was a Second Amendment Foundation case back in 2015-2016.

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IIRC, there were NO gun laws after SCOTUS ruled all their previous draconian bullshit was unconstitutional.

This is just PR Gov scrambling to put up less restrictive but "reasonable" unconstitutional bullshit.

Yup, the PR Level Courts ruled for a year that they were Constitutional Carry and no Gun Laws were Constitutional. The Government appealed to the Federal Appellate Level (not SCOTUS) and the PR Courts were overruled.

That was a Second Amendment Foundation case back in 2015-2016.

Did the LEAs in PR abide by the (lack of) gun laws or did they do what states like NY do with the FOPA (might beat the rap but not the ride)?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:32:52 PM EDT

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Oh I’m well aware of our shit gun laws.

I just think being able to own stuff off the books is an important safeguard.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:33:40 PM EDT

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No mag bans, no classification bans, shall issue CCW, automatic recognition of all out of jurisdiction CCWs, a government funded shooting sports and firearms education, and so much more. Yeah, this is hugely fucking awesome.

I might apply to the NIE as a special agent. I wonder if they accept my FL LE standards.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:33:46 PM EDT

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Not really. In CA you can own guns without any permit. It isn’t an easy comparison.

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Tell me about the Basic Firearms Safety Certificate? Show me where you can pay $200 and get a Colt 6920 or Knight's SR-15 in CA? What are the fees for a CCW in CA? You are being disingenuous. I would LOVE for Californians to have the same rights Puerto Ricans will in January.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:33:53 PM EDT

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Holy Shit, so Puerto Rico’s gun laws now make more sense the VA’s proposed laws.

This is a weird reality we’re living in.

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I never saw this coming......wow.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:34:04 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/16/2019 12:34:24 PM EDT

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Did the LEAs in PR abide by the (lack of) gun laws or did they do what states like NY do with the FOPA (might beat the rap but not the ride)?

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IIRC, there were NO gun laws after SCOTUS ruled all their previous draconian bullshit was unconstitutional.

This is just PR Gov scrambling to put up less restrictive but "reasonable" unconstitutional bullshit.

Yup, the PR Level Courts ruled for a year that they were Constitutional Carry and no Gun Laws were Constitutional. The Government appealed to the Federal Appellate Level (not SCOTUS) and the PR Courts were overruled.

That was a Second Amendment Foundation case back in 2015-2016.

Did the LEAs in PR abide by the (lack of) gun laws or did they do what states like NY do with the FOPA (might beat the rap but not the ride)?

They abided by the ruling and did not interfere with Constitutional Carry.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:34:30 PM EDT

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Las personas con licencia de armas de otras jurisdicciones, para tener los mismos derechos y privilegios que gozan las personas con licencia de armas
de Puerto Rico, habrn de cumplir con los requisitos de esta Ley. A su vez,
debern informar a la Oficina de Licenciasde Armas, en caso de que tengan
la intencin de introducir una o ms armas y/o municiones a Puerto Rico

El Comisionado dispondr mediante reglamento, la forma en que se realizar dicha notificacin.

If you have a firearm license from any other jurisdiction in the US you can bring and carry a firearm in PR you will be able to do so if you notify the Oficina de Licencias de Armas.
This seems too good to be true.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:34:59 PM EDT

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No mag bans, no classification bans, shall issue CCW, automatic recognition of all out of jurisdiction CCWs, a government funded shooting sports and firearms education, and so much more. Yeah, this is hugely fucking awesome.

I might apply to the NIE as a special agent. I wonder if they accept my FL LE standards.

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That is awesome!

No mag bans, no classification bans, shall issue CCW, automatic recognition of all out of jurisdiction CCWs, a government funded shooting sports and firearms education, and so much more. Yeah, this is hugely fucking awesome.

I might apply to the NIE as a special agent. I wonder if they accept my FL LE standards.

I find myself suddenly hankering for a vacation home in PR. I need to learn Spanish.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:35:21 PM EDT

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Oh I'm well aware of our shit gun laws.

I just think being able to own stuff off the books is an important safeguard.

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You guys are arguing about which end of the turd is the clean end.

Oh I'm well aware of our shit gun laws.

I just think being able to own stuff off the books is an important safeguard.

Guns aren't registered and have never been registered. The permit to own is now the CCW.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:35:35 PM EDT

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You can't own non nurtured ARs and 30rd mags unless you were grandfathered in. Also you can't get a ton of handguns because of your roster.

PR now has better gun laws than a number of states.

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Hell of a lot better than NY, NJ, MA, MD, CA, DC, HI, and elsewhere.

Not really. In CA you can own guns without any permit. It isn't an easy comparison.

You can't own non nurtured ARs and 30rd mags unless you were grandfathered in. Also you can't get a ton of handguns because of your roster.

PR now has better gun laws than a number of states.

I can own any handgun with a non threaded barrel. Roster is only what an FFL can sell new. Tons of off roster handguns are sold in CA.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:36:03 PM EDT

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But we don’t require a government permit to own a gun. There is a ton of shit here that is legal and off the books.

Also, all mags made prior to freedom week are grandfathered in if they are in state

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You can't own non nurtured ARs and 30rd mags unless you were grandfathered in. Also you can't get a ton of handguns because of your roster.

PR now has better gun laws than a number of states.

But we don’t require a government permit to own a gun. There is a ton of shit here that is legal and off the books.

Also, all mags made prior to freedom week are grandfathered in if they are in state

Still a crime to use them in certain configurations of gun.
Also a crime to have guns configured in certain ways and not registered

Wonder what the details of PR's permitting system are, insofar as you get to be a newly minted felon if your license lapses for any reason and the like?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:36:58 PM EDT

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Las personas con licencia de armas de otras jurisdicciones, para tener los mismos derechos y privilegios que gozan las personas con licencia de armas
de Puerto Rico, habrn de cumplir con los requisitos de esta Ley. A su vez,
debern informar a la Oficina de Licenciasde Armas, en caso de que tengan
la intencin de introducir una o ms armas y/o municiones a Puerto Rico

El Comisionado dispondr mediante reglamento, la forma en que se realizar dicha notificacin.

If you have a firearm license from any other jurisdiction in the US you can bring and carry a firearm in PR you will be able to do so if you notify the Oficina de Licencias de Armas.
This seems too good to be true.

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I'm tickled pink.... this is a huge Christmas gift I wasn't expecting. I think I will be gifting my inlaws a ton of gun related gifts next year.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:37:50 PM EDT

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Still a crime to use them in certain configurations of gun.
Also a crime to have guns configured in certain ways and not registered

Wonder what the details of PR's permitting system are, insofar as you get to be a newly minted felon if your license lapses for any reason and the like?

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You can't own non nurtured ARs and 30rd mags unless you were grandfathered in. Also you can't get a ton of handguns because of your roster.

PR now has better gun laws than a number of states.

But we don't require a government permit to own a gun. There is a ton of shit here that is legal and off the books.

Also, all mags made prior to freedom week are grandfathered in if they are in state

Still a crime to use them in certain configurations of gun.
Also a crime to have guns configured in certain ways and not registered

Wonder what the details of PR's permitting system are, insofar as you get to be a newly minted felon if your license lapses for any reason and the like?

I'm going over the signed bill right now.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:38:29 PM EDT

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Is this real life?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:38:57 PM EDT

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But we don't require a government permit to own a gun. There is a ton of shit here that is legal and off the books.

Also, all mags made prior to freedom week are grandfathered in if they are in state

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You can't own non nurtured ARs and 30rd mags unless you were grandfathered in. Also you can't get a ton of handguns because of your roster.

PR now has better gun laws than a number of states.

But we don't require a government permit to own a gun. There is a ton of shit here that is legal and off the books.

Also, all mags made prior to freedom week are grandfathered in if they are in state

How do you prove what magazines are legal? Anything that is older is allowed or you have to prove ownership before that date?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:39:50 PM EDT

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Holy Shit, so Puerto Rico’s gun laws now make more sense the VA’s proposed laws.

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I feel like VA will be back to "may issue" by 2021. Had people gotten out to vote for Cuchinelli we would have had constitutional carry, but nooooooo people though he was going to ban blow jobs or some shit.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:42:22 PM EDT

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OUTSTANDING! Now if the USVI would do it I could go back home and visit.

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Your from the Virgin islands and you left? I would have stayed if I could. Just train with a knife or something.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:43:01 PM EDT

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No mag bans, no classification bans, shall issue CCW, automatic recognition of all out of jurisdiction CCWs, a government funded shooting sports and firearms education, and so much more. Yeah, this is hugely fucking awesome.

I might apply to the NIE as a special agent. I wonder if they accept my FL LE standards.

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That is awesome!

No mag bans, no classification bans, shall issue CCW, automatic recognition of all out of jurisdiction CCWs, a government funded shooting sports and firearms education, and so much more. Yeah, this is hugely fucking awesome.

I might apply to the NIE as a special agent. I wonder if they accept my FL LE standards.

How did this even happen?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:44:09 PM EDT

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Shall Issue Qualifications

1. Be 21 years or older.
2. No criminal record showing felony arrests, DV history, declared mentally incompetent, dishonorable discharge, be a US Citizen or Legal Alien, and not be barred by the 1968 GCA.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:45:15 PM EDT

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How do you prove what magazines are legal? Anything that is older is allowed or you have to prove ownership before that date?

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The state would have the burden of proof

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:45:28 PM EDT

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OUTSTANDING! Now if the USVI would do it I could go back home and visit.

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That would be awesome. But sadly the mindset in the USVI is horrible.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:46:16 PM EDT

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How did this even happen?

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The Heller decision is at the root of it

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:46:52 PM EDT

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I can own any handgun with a non threaded barrel. Roster is only what an FFL can sell new. Tons of off roster handguns are sold in CA.

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Hell of a lot better than NY, NJ, MA, MD, CA, DC, HI, and elsewhere.

Not really. In CA you can own guns without any permit. It isn't an easy comparison.

You can't own non nurtured ARs and 30rd mags unless you were grandfathered in. Also you can't get a ton of handguns because of your roster.

PR now has better gun laws than a number of states.

I can own any handgun with a non threaded barrel. Roster is only what an FFL can sell new. Tons of off roster handguns are sold in CA.

In PR you can own whatever the fuck you want.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:48:04 PM EDT

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It will be very interesting to see what happens to violent crime there over the next five to 10 years.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:48:36 PM EDT

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So can a Puerto Rican citizen just get a cheaper concealed carry license from one of the mainland states that offers them to non-residents and then use that for less than the $200 charge for the Puerto Rican license?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:49:52 PM EDT

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Very nice, good for them! I'm heading to Puerto Rico end of February for 9 day's.. does this mean I can carry?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:50:17 PM EDT

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@Miami_JBT can I copy your OP for other forums?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:50:42 PM EDT

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So, if I'm reading this right... I have a Florida CCW. Does that mean I can now travel to Puerto Rico with a gun, and carry it, without any further legal/licensing hassles?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:50:58 PM EDT

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Wow. Good job PR!

Our little territory is doing better than some of our oldest states!

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:51:33 PM EDT

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That is awesome!

No mag bans, no classification bans, shall issue CCW, automatic recognition of all out of jurisdiction CCWs, a government funded shooting sports and firearms education, and so much more. Yeah, this is hugely fucking awesome.

I might apply to the NIE as a special agent. I wonder if they accept my FL LE standards.

How did this even happen?

Puerto Ricans challenged the Territorial Law and the local jurisdictional courts ruled the gun control laws were not Constitutional through the SAF in a lawsuit. Constitutional Carry existed for a year. The Federal Courts ruled against the lower courts. Constitutional Carry ends, the people having a taste of freedom applied like crazy for carry permits under the old system and they were constantly denied. The people said fuck it and made it a legislative issue and pressed lawmakers constantly. They cited Heller and McDonald and said that the laws are unconstitutional.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:51:55 PM EDT

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Democrats will withhold aid till they embrace the life-saving measures of NY, CA and other liberal states.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:52:26 PM EDT

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From what I understand, the Mexican drug cartels have been making in-roads with PR drug gangs. Thus, this is driving their change in CCW permits.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:53:36 PM EDT

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Oh, there is an expedited CCW process now for DV Victims too. This was written into the law because of the woman killed in NJ waiting for a gun permit while she had a DV Injunction filed against her estranged husband.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:53:42 PM EDT

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Agreed. Not knowing the rest of PR’s restrictions (mag size, etc), this is very impressive. Except for the part about 10 guns or 20,000 rounds a year... still an infringement there.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:54:08 PM EDT

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Wow that’s damn impressive. Where did they get the balls to come up with a fair amount of liberty all of sudden?

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:54:29 PM EDT

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that's great. But you aren't becoming a state in the Union, ever.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:54:43 PM EDT

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We need an ARFCOM timeshare in PR

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:54:58 PM EDT

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Sure... I'm also writing a article for TTAG about this.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:55:33 PM EDT

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So can a Puerto Rican citizen just get a cheaper concealed carry license from one of the mainland states that offers them to non-residents and then use that for less than the $200 charge for the Puerto Rican license?

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I think no since they're residents of PR.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:55:54 PM EDT

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So, if I'm reading this right... I have a Florida CCW. Does that mean I can now travel to Puerto Rico with a gun, and carry it, without any further legal/licensing hassles?

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Yes

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:56:47 PM EDT

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From what I understand, the Mexican drug cartels have been making in-roads with PR drug gangs. Thus, this is driving their change in CCW permits.

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People were tired of being disarmed. They had Constitutional Carry for a year and got a huge taste of freedom.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:56:52 PM EDT

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Sure... I'm also writing a article for TTAG about this.

Thanks, man. You pimp your articles at my forum whenever you want.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:57:13 PM EDT

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Agreed. Not knowing the rest of PR's restrictions (mag size, etc), this is very impressive. Except for the part about 10 guns or 20,000 rounds a year... still an infringement there.

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Hell of a lot better than NY, NJ, MA, MD, CA, DC, HI, and elsewhere.

Agreed. Not knowing the rest of PR's restrictions (mag size, etc), this is very impressive. Except for the part about 10 guns or 20,000 rounds a year... still an infringement there.

No mag bans. And tou aren't limited to 20k in ammo or 10 guns. It is if you have bought more than 10 guns or 20k in a year you will be investigated to make sure you aren't supplying guns to criminals.

Posted: 12/16/2019 12:59:56 PM EDT

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NFA?

Stoked for the people of Puerto Rico.
Shame that the brief period of Constitutional carry went away but still loads better then how things were for them before that.

Be interesting to see what the crime rates work out to be with the old gun laws, Constitutional carry and now this.

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