Quoted: They do not necessarily describe a problem, but rather answer questions someone might have about the car.

That being the case, and just out of curiosity, why did you post that list, exactly?

Edit: Page 3.

Quoted: I think they are great cars.  Accelerate, and break well.  They also have a decent top speed. i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb107/motoracer51/CIMG2242.jpg

A guy in my gaming guild has a photo of his topping 193.

Quoted: Quoted: GTO's are awesome cars!  cant go wrong with them... you could get a c5 z06 for the same price as 06 gto though...and c5's rock The Vette just doesn't have enough room.  I've looked at a couple including one that supposedly was 1 owner, lightly driven.  But upon test driving the engine was knocking badly.  Dealer admitted nothing. Bill3508

If they admit nothing with that problem they might have trouble seeing any problems you have later.

Quoted: I hope this is not directed at me... I know how to look up TSBs, which apparently you don't. Step 1: Get Alldata subscription. Step 2: Enter 2006 Pontiac GTO. Step 3: Click on "show all applicable TSBs". Step 4: Cut-and-paste. This is what Alldata shows for TSBs. Get over it. Some are bad (oil leakage) most aren't. TSBs are Technical Service Bulletins and are designed for information dissemination. They do not necessarily describe a problem, but rather answer questions someone might have about the car. I made no judgement on whether it is good or bad, just pulled up the list. FWIW, they're very fast, in a straight line.

it was absolutely directed at you.

please explain to me, in detail, how a fucking car that CAN NOT come with onstar has a problem with it?  or for that matter, a car that you CAN NOT have a navigational system in has a problem with that too?

Quoted: Bill3508

there will be a "cup" where the bottom of the front strut spring sits.  you can put a finger in there or use a flashlight to see if there is any visible oil.  if it just came from the dealer and it was in this batch there was a TSB on changing the struts so it may have already been done if it was subject.

the shifter is awful for a performance vehicle.  2nd to 3rd is sloppy and long.  if you change to a real shifter you WILL appreciate the difference.

don't worry about the stang, you've got a solid half a second on it in the 1/4 if you hit your shifts.

does sound good stock doesn't it?  i was pleasantly suprised but still immediately put straight through bullets and an X pipe on mine..........ls2gto.com has sound clips of every imaginable exhaust combination in the exhaust section

I checked the cup and found no fluid with my fingers, was totally dry.  Couldn't really see in there with a flashlight.  Only thing I have noticed so far is when I put a couple gallons of fuel in it the gauge didn't read immediately, and there is a rattle in the dash next the windshield drivers side.

Bill3508

Gosh!  I had a '67 GTO over 30 years ago.  I didn't know the new ones were that much trouble.

Guess I will stuck with fuddy  vehicles.  Matches my age, anyway.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GTO's are awesome cars!  cant go wrong with them... you could get a c5 z06 for the same price as 06 gto though...and c5's rock The Vette just doesn't have enough room.  I've looked at a couple including one that supposedly was 1 owner, lightly driven.  But upon test driving the engine was knocking badly.  Dealer admitted nothing. Bill3508 If they admit nothing with that problem they might have trouble seeing any problems you have later.

This was at the local chevrolet dealer.  Claimed a middle age women had driven it.  Worst feeling engine I have ever experienced.  And upon lifting the hood and listening it was knocking badly.  The GTO is at the local Acura dealership.

Bill3508

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: CUT TO AVOID HOURGLASSING . so in summary: YOUR car had issues with known TSBs.  YOUR dealers would not fix your TSB problems.  YOU gave up on the car when you could have easily fixed the problems yourself and YOU continue, to this fucking day, to rabidly interject your experience into any thread even slightly resembling a forum to do so. gotcha.

Yes I will do this anywhere possible (in person, on the phone, online, etc) until they go under, or I am unable to communicate to any person in any method.  

I gave it alot of time, after it being a daily habit of dealing with them I gave up.  After months spent, running many phone batteries dead, hours at dealerships, using every day off work I had, I gave up, even I have a limit.  

Having to call them daily (since those callbacks never happen) got boring, hours on hold suck, used to call them every day on lunch, and when I got off work.  45+min drives to the dealer got boring and expensive when its a weekly/biweekly thing.  Hours waiting in line at dealers get boring, atleast one of them had free snacks. I didnt like waking up at 7-8am on my days off to get to the dealer either

When I didnt have any more time off work I had a friend take it in for me, he got tired of doing this too.

I dont care to spend my money to fix known issues that should be covered under warrantys, if I did this how many more problems would I have?  Just keep throwing money at it and hope it gets better?

Sorry about the slow response, work got busy.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GTO's are awesome cars!  cant go wrong with them... you could get a c5 z06 for the same price as 06 gto though...and c5's rock The Vette just doesn't have enough room.  I've looked at a couple including one that supposedly was 1 owner, lightly driven.  But upon test driving the engine was knocking badly.  Dealer admitted nothing. Bill3508 If they admit nothing with that problem they might have trouble seeing any problems you have later. This was at the local chevrolet dealer.  Claimed a middle age women had driven it.  Worst feeling engine I have ever experienced.  And upon lifting the hood and listening it was knocking badly.  The GTO is at the local Acura dealership. Bill3508

do they only deal Chevys or Pontiacs too?  You may have to take your car there if they do, something to think about.

Quoted: looks like someone is talking out of their ass.  the holden platform is a VERY good platform.  compared to the m3 the gto is almost equal.  high quality from the aussies count for quite a lot with the newer gto's.  you want more in depth research go to ls1tech.com or ls1gto.com.  not only are they great cars, theres a LOT you can do to tailor them to your liking.

This is one of my favorite arguments, especially as I work on both.

Let's see, which will be faster around VIR, hmm....

GTO stock tire size: 245/45-17 or 235/40-18
M3 stock tire size: 225/40-18 front 255/40-18 rear or 225/40-19 front 255/35-19 rear.

GTO brake diameter: 297mm front and 287mm rear.
M3 brake diameter: 325x26.4mm front and 328x18.4mm rear.

GTO weight: 3725 lbs.
M3 weight: 3415 lbs.

GTO 1/4 mile: 13.3 1t 107.5mph.
M3 1/4 mile: 13.3 at 104.4mph.

GTO braking 60-0:121ft.
M3 braking 60-0: 116ft.

GTO lateral acceleration: .85g.
M3 lateral acceleration: .91g

GTO 600-ft slalom: 63.6mph.
M3 600-ft slalom: 66.6mph.

All those numbers are courtesy of Motor Trend.

If you watch top gear, here's their lap times from 2006:

Holden Monaro: 1:33.9
M3: 1:31.8

Now, the GTO is far easier to get reliable power out of, and cheaper too. But it would take a huge amount of work to give it the grace and athleticism the M# has around a race track.

Some of you GTO owners get butthurt pretty easily.  You'd think it was a personal attack.  Geez.

Quoted: Quoted: I hope this is not directed at me... I know how to look up TSBs, which apparently you don't. Step 1: Get Alldata subscription. Step 2: Enter 2006 Pontiac GTO. Step 3: Click on "show all applicable TSBs". Step 4: Cut-and-paste. This is what Alldata shows for TSBs. Get over it. Some are bad (oil leakage) most aren't. TSBs are Technical Service Bulletins and are designed for information dissemination. They do not necessarily describe a problem, but rather answer questions someone might have about the car. I made no judgement on whether it is good or bad, just pulled up the list. FWIW, they're very fast, in a straight line. it was absolutely directed at you. please explain to me, in detail, how a fucking car that CAN NOT come with onstar has a problem with it?  or for that matter, a car that you CAN NOT have a navigational system in has a problem with that too?

Beats the hell out of me. This is what came up using the procedure I outlined. You have a problem with it? Call Alldata.

Quoted: Quoted: They do not necessarily describe a problem, but rather answer questions someone might have about the car. That being the case, and just out of curiosity, why did you post that list, exactly? Edit: Page 3.

Because the OP asked about the car. I'd happily post one for anything you want.
I don't have much ego invested in the cars I drive, so I don't particularly care.

Edit: Here's the one for my daily driver:

07-00-004 04/03/2007 Vehicle - Friction Modifier Covered Bolt/Nut Usage 07-42A-003 02/01/2007 Interior - Rev. Front Door Interior Trim Core & Tube R&I 07-11-001 01/01/2007 Engine Controls - Hard/No Start/DTC P0335 or P0340 Set 06-54-011 12/01/2006 Instruments - Odometer Reset After Replacing Speedometer 06-54-008 10/13/2006 Lighting - Moisture In Headlamps 06-42A-009 10/01/2006 Body - Corrected Sunroof Initialization Procedures 06-13-012 09/06/2006 Emissions - Additional EGR System Diagnostics 06-52A-004 08/14/2006 Vehicle - VIN Plate Installation After Dash Replacement 06-00-007 06/01/2006 M/T, Fuel - Accelerator/Clutch Pedal Stopper Revision 06-13-004 04/01/2006 Engine Controls - MIL ON/DTC's P0300 or P0301-P0304 Set 06-13-005 04/01/2006 Engine Controls - PCM Update for Misfire DTC Diagnostics 06-22-001 04/01/2006 AWD System - ECU Terminal Voltage Chart Revision 06-51-001 01/01/2006 Body - Clear Coat Flaking Off of Spoiler 05-55-004 12/01/2005 A/C - Poor Heater Performance in Extreme Cold 05-11-004 12/01/2005 Engine - Revised Valve Guide/Valve Stem Specifications EMR-05-001R2 12/01/2005 Recall - PCM Update for Warm-Up Cat. Converter Melt Down 05-34-002R 12/01/2005 Suspension - Revised Rear Lower Arm Bushing Replacement 05-55-003 12/01/2005 A/C - Temperature Knob Hard to Turn 05-22-003 10/19/2005 M/T - Clutch Release Bearing Installation SR-05-004 08/01/2005 Recall - Turbocharger Coolant Hose Replacement NHTSA05V335000 07/25/2005 Recall 05V335000: Turbocharger Coolant Hose Leakage 05-22-001 07/01/2005 M/T - Rattling Noise Idling in Neutral 05-34-001 07/01/2005 Suspension - Squeak From Rear of Vehicle While Driving 05-14-001 07/01/2005 Cooling System - Upper/Lower Radiator Hose Collapsed 05-54-006 06/01/2005 Antitheft System - Immobilizer System Information 05-11-001 05/01/2005 Engine - Cylinder Head Height Specification Revision 05-17-001 05/01/2005 Cruise Control - Diagnostics Revisions TT115-14-001 04/01/2005 Cooling System - Water Pump Failure TT115-00-001 04/01/2005 Engine Controls - VIN Registration After ECM/PCM Change 05-13-006 04/01/2005 Alternator - FR Terminal Voltage Revision TT115-13-002 04/01/2005 Fuel System - DTC P0181 Update TT115-13-004 04/01/2005 Engine Controls - Freeze Frame Data For DTC's TT115-14-002 04/01/2005 Cooling System - Collapsed Upper Radiator Hose TT115-42A-002 04/01/2005 Interior - Recaro Seatback Bolster Cover Breakage 05-42A-005 03/01/2005 Body - Creaking Noise from Windshield/A-Pillar Area TT114-42A-001 03/01/2005 Body - A Pillar Rattling/Clicking Noise 05-54-001 02/01/2005 Battery - Load Test Rate Chart Revision 05-51-002 02/01/2005 Body - Door Sash Tape Service Procedures TT113-11-001 01/01/2005 Engine - Valve Lifter Noise Diagnosis TT113-35-001 01/01/2005 Brake - Bleeding Procedures 05-12-001 01/01/2005 Engine - Oil Recommendations/Obsolete Oils TT113-12-001 01/01/2005 Engine - Using Low-Quality Engine Oil TT113-22-001 01/01/2005 A/T - New End-Play and Preload Measurement 05-31-001 01/01/2005 Tires/Wheels - Tire Chain Usage 05-42A-003 01/01/2005 Keyless Entry - System Identification/Operation TT112-35-001 12/01/2004 Brakes - Cleaning Brembo Brake Calipers 04-11-005 12/01/2004 Engine - Timing Belt Service Procedure Revision SC-04-006 12/01/2004 Recall - Air Bag Warning Label Installation 04-13-012 12/01/2004 Engine Controls/Emissions - OBDII Drive Cycle Revisions TT112-17-001 12/01/2004 Engine Controls - DTC P0441 04-42A-008 12/01/2004 Keyless Entry - Answerback Switching Procedures Revision TT111-11-001 11/01/2004 Engine - Spark Knock/Ping Diagnostic's TT111-13-001 11/01/2004 Fuel/Emissions - Loose Gas Cap/MIL ON TT111-26-001 11/01/2004 Drive Axles - Axle Shaft Boot Kit Lubricant 04-51-003R 11/01/2004 Paint - Paint Codes TT110-42A-001 10/01/2004 Body - Noise Diagnosis TT111-13-001 10/01/2004 Fuel System - EVAP DTC's & Check Engine Light TT110-11-001 10/01/2004 Engine - Pinging Condition TT108-55-001 08/01/2004 A/C - Mist or Fog From Dash Vents TT108-55-002 08/01/2004 A/C - Poor Performance/High Gauge Readings TT105-55-001 05/01/2004 A/C - Inoperative/A/C Light Blinks TT105-54-003 05/01/2004 Instruments - Speedometer is Inoperative TT103-55-001 03/01/2004 A/C - Replacement of HVAC System TT103-13-002 03/01/2004 Fuel System - MIL ON with DTC P0171/174 TT101-42A-007 01/01/2004 Body - Wind Buffeting © 2008 ALLDATA LLC. All rights reserved. Terms of Use

It shows automatic transmission TSBs, when an auto wasn't available on this car.

Quoted: do they only deal Chevys or Pontiacs too?  You may have to take your car there if they do, something to think about.

Only Chevy's.  Pontiac dealer is on other side of town at the GM place.

Bill3508

Quoted: I checked the cup and found no fluid with my fingers, was totally dry.  Couldn't really see in there with a flashlight.  Only thing I have noticed so far is when I put a couple gallons of fuel in it the gauge didn't read immediately, and there is a rattle in the dash next the windshield drivers side. Bill3508

i use an MSD dashhawk for an oil pressure guage mostly (since the GTO doesn't ahve one) and rely on it for everything else as well so i don't know about the fuel gauge reading as i don't pay attention. (dashhawk gives me a % reading)  i do know that most of the other vehicle i drive have a slight delay from putting gas in them until the guage actually registers full, not sure why.  the '02 jeep sahara is the worst about it.

there was a rattle discussed on ls2gto.com that would sound like it was coming from there............was a metal component of the steering column that was too close to the shaft.  somebody fixed it with a twist of a flathead screwdriver, don't remember the specifics though

Quoted: Some of you GTO owners get butthurt pretty easily.  You'd think it was a personal attack.  Geez.

Im a former owner, I speak the truth and I know Im right.

Also when somewhere pisses me off really well, I remeber it.  There is a dealer here I wont deal with due to a 5 year old issue.

I appreciate all the info I have gotten.  I'm nervous about the car, one because of some of the problems, and two because it totally different from anything I have ever had, closest being a 1996 Impala SS.  The 4Runner just sits in the driveway and I drive my 99 Nissan Frontier everyday.  06 4Runner only has 10,000 miles on it.  

Bill3508

Quoted: I appreciate all the info I have gotten.  I'm nervous about the car, one because of some of the problems, and two because it totally different from anything I have ever had, closest being a 1996 Impala SS.  The 4Runner just sits in the driveway and I drive my 99 Nissan Frontier everyday.  06 4Runner only has 10,000 miles on it.   Bill3508

I had an Impala SS as well, mine had some problems, I got rid of it when I got my GTO and regretted it later atleast to a point  

What are you planning on using the car for, and how often?

Quoted: Quoted: Some of you GTO owners get butthurt pretty easily.  You'd think it was a personal attack.  Geez. Im a former owner, I speak the truth and I know Im right. Also when somewhere pisses me off really well, I remeber it.  There is a dealer here I wont deal with due to a 5 year old issue.

I didn't mean you, Taxman.

Quoted: Some of you GTO owners get butthurt pretty easily.  You'd think it was a personal attack.  Geez.

i'm somehow butthurt because i don't like bullshit spread about the car?

that's like saying AR owners get "butthurt" when they hear about the thrusts per squeeze and how they kill children whilst on the playground without provocation because they would lend the truth to the argument?

i will gladly list the GTOs shortcomings, i don't require fictional ones however

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some of you GTO owners get butthurt pretty easily.  You'd think it was a personal attack.  Geez. Im a former owner, I speak the truth and I know Im right. Also when somewhere pisses me off really well, I remeber it.  There is a dealer here I wont deal with due to a 5 year old issue. I didn't mean you, Taxman.

I know, but I get the feeling some people dont like me.  Oh well, that last guy I told he has to pay his bills dont like me either.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some of you GTO owners get butthurt pretty easily.  You'd think it was a personal attack.  Geez. Im a former owner, I speak the truth and I know Im right. Also when somewhere pisses me off really well, I remeber it.  There is a dealer here I wont deal with due to a 5 year old issue. I didn't mean you, Taxman. I know, but I get the feeling some people dont like me.  Oh well, that last guy I told he has to pay his bills dont like me either.

Will you at least be a pal and remove the late fee?

Gee 3 pages and no pics of any GTO's? Sheesh.

Well, heres my '99 540i to spark some GTO owners to show off their stuff



WBK

I have an '06 Quicksilver GTO six speed.

It's got 11,000 miles on it now, and the only problem I've had is the tires dry rotting because it sits so much. (Truck driver out a month at a time)  GM replaced them right away.

Great car!  Only have to drive 1 once to be in love.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some of you GTO owners get butthurt pretty easily.  You'd think it was a personal attack.  Geez. Im a former owner, I speak the truth and I know Im right. Also when somewhere pisses me off really well, I remeber it.  There is a dealer here I wont deal with due to a 5 year old issue. I didn't mean you, Taxman. I know, but I get the feeling some people dont like me.  Oh well, that last guy I told he has to pay his bills dont like me either. Will you at least be a pal and remove the late fee?

That all depends on my attitude, I waived $25 on a reconnect earlier, just because he wasnt an asshole.

Quoted: Gee 3 pages and no pics of any GTO's? Sheesh. Well, heres my '99 540i to spark some GTO owners to show off their stuff i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/weebeastykillr/P7150001_edited-2.jpg WBK

What's to show?  You could post a pic of a Honda Civic or a Chevy Cavalier, and you wouldn't be able to tell if it was a GTO.

Quoted: Only have to drive 1 once to be in love.

This was true, after driving it and putting up with its failings for a few months I hated it.  

Reminds me of this woman, was ok to hang around, good once you sleep with her, you like her.  After abit all the good things wear off and you see the things you were looking past, always wants money, everything you do is wrong, always bitching.  

Quoted: Quoted: Some of you GTO owners get butthurt pretty easily.  You'd think it was a personal attack.  Geez. i'm somehow butthurt because i don't like bullshit spread about the car? that's like saying AR owners get "butthurt" when they hear about the thrusts per squeeze and how they kill children whilst on the playground without provocation because they would lend the truth to the argument? i will gladly list the GTOs shortcomings, i don't require fictional ones however

Atleast you dont accuse me of making mine up, something the dealer did before they even looked at or touched the car

Quoted: Quoted: I appreciate all the info I have gotten.  I'm nervous about the car, one because of some of the problems, and two because it totally different from anything I have ever had, closest being a 1996 Impala SS.  The 4Runner just sits in the driveway and I drive my 99 Nissan Frontier everyday.  06 4Runner only has 10,000 miles on it.   Bill3508 I had an Impala SS as well, mine had some problems, I got rid of it when I got my GTO and regretted it later atleast to a point   What are you planning on using the car for, and how often?

Never had any problems with my Impala.  It was an awesome car, and I regret selling it.  Sold it in 2001 and only had 27,000 miles on it.  As far as the GTO, I will drive it for pleasure a couple times a week.  I'll still take the Nissan to work so most of the time it will sit in the driveway.  Probably 5000-7000 miles a year at the most.

Bill3508

Quoted: Gee 3 pages and no pics of any GTO's? Sheesh. Well, heres my '99 540i to spark some GTO owners to show off their stuff i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/weebeastykillr/P7150001_edited-2.jpg WBK

Ok I looked one up for you

Quoted: Quoted: Gee 3 pages and no pics of any GTO's? Sheesh. Well, heres my '99 540i to spark some GTO owners to show off their stuff i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/weebeastykillr/P7150001_edited-2.jpg WBK Ok I looked one up for you Whats the story with that? Bill3508 myspace-523.vo.llnwd.net/00676/32/52/676682523_l.jpg

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I appreciate all the info I have gotten.  I'm nervous about the car, one because of some of the problems, and two because it totally different from anything I have ever had, closest being a 1996 Impala SS.  The 4Runner just sits in the driveway and I drive my 99 Nissan Frontier everyday.  06 4Runner only has 10,000 miles on it.   Bill3508 I had an Impala SS as well, mine had some problems, I got rid of it when I got my GTO and regretted it later atleast to a point   What are you planning on using the car for, and how often? Never had any problems with my Impala.  It was an awesome car, and I regret selling it.  Sold it in 2001 and only had 27,000 miles on it.  As far as the GTO, I will drive it for pleasure a couple times a week.  I'll still take the Nissan to work so most of the time it will sit in the driveway.  Probably 5000-7000 miles a year at the most. Bill3508

My Impala had an annoying problem, the wire on the fuelpump liked to burn through.  Real pain to find replacements and fix.


If you dont drive the GTO often you will really hate that stock shifter, it takes getting used to, then you still hate it,

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gee 3 pages and no pics of any GTO's? Sheesh. Well, heres my '99 540i to spark some GTO owners to show off their stuff i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/weebeastykillr/P7150001_edited-2.jpg WBK Ok I looked one up for you Whats the story with that? Bill3508 myspace-523.vo.llnwd.net/00676/32/52/676682523_l.jpg

Thats what I wish mine had did, that lil fuel line annoyance

Quoted: I appreciate all the info I have gotten.  I'm nervous about the car, one because of some of the problems, and two because it totally different from anything I have ever had, closest being a 1996 Impala SS.  The 4Runner just sits in the driveway and I drive my 99 Nissan Frontier everyday.  06 4Runner only has 10,000 miles on it.   Bill3508

i had a dark cherry metallic '96 impala SS, GREAT car.  that LT1 had some low end grunt, didn't it?  like the GTO you also have to love a car that you can see and KNOW it has a V8 in it.........

don't be nervous about the GTO.........take it out and do some launches, 3rd gear pulls and all doubt shall be removed

I've got an 06 with the manual and love it.  Had a few suspension issues, but they were cleared up under warranty no problems.  If it's an 06 you're looking at then you should have plenty of warranty left anyway.

Some things to consider about this car:

1.  This is not a very "economical" vehicle.  I average ~18 miles to the PREMIUM ONLY gallon.  If you don't mind paying $55 (and going up every time) for a tank of gas, then that's no problem, but if you're looking for a prius, look elsewhere.

2.  The back seats are comfortable, but they're absolutely horrible to get back into.  The front seats fold forward, and then slide forward on an agonizingly slow electric motor.  If you have people riding along with you, be prepared to listen to them bitch about how much of a hassle it is to get into the back of the car.

3.  The trunk is tiny.  You can fit a set of golf clubs there (maybe) but that about does it.  The fuel tank is mounted between the trunk and rear seats, so there is no way to fold the rear seats down for additional storage.  If you intend on putting a subwoofer box or anything else back there, it will eat up even more space.

4.  The paint tends to run thin on these cars.  Be prepared for rock chip hell on the nose, especially if you don't take good care of it.  It's also fairly easy to scratch through the paint and down to the primer.  A good coat of wax/polish is a must at all times to protect the paint as much as possible.

5.  If you plan to do any drag racing, start planning on replacing the tires, and doing something to the rear suspension.  The factory tires split the difference between sticky and long lasting, and thus are a bit hard to get a lot of grip with.  Combine that with the IRS and somewhat soft springs in the back, and you have a recipe for traction problems.

6.  Speaking of traction problems, THIS CAR IS NOT FORGIVING.  If you've been reading on ls1gto.com, then you know that about every week or so there's a "welp, I wrecked my GTO" thread.  A great many of these wrecks are from dumbasses pushing the car too far, running out of traction and/or talent, and wrapping it around a tree/guardrail/other car/etc.  If you've never driving a high HP/TQ RWD car, be very careful until you get a good feel for this car, ESPECIALLY in the rain.  It WILL bite you if you're not careful.

7.  If you plan to mod it, anything over 400 or so RWHP will necessitate a new clutch.  The clutch is the weakest point in the driveline, and it seems when guys go much over 400 HP to the wheels, the clutch just can't hang.  The good news is the LS7 clutch from the Z06 Corvette is a drop in replacement, which is a bit cheaper than a straight out after market clutch.

8.  The factory shifter leaves a lot to be desired.  It's rubbery, and somewhat of a long throw for a performance car, though still leaps and bounds ahead of a Mustang.  The shifter is easily replaceable, and there are several very good after market options out there.  I have a GMM Ripshifter with a Lou's Short Stick, and it's everything I would want out of a shifter.  Costs about $300 and about 2 hours in the driveway to change it out.



If you don't have problems with the stuff I listed above, go for the GTO and love it as much as I do.  The car is pure secks on wheels and I love every second I'm behind the wheel.  The car is a blast, and I get lots of looks and compliments.  It took people some time to warm to the GTO, but it really seems like after they stopped making them, there really was a lot more appreciation for them.  You can't beat it for the price.

I leave you with Goat pr0n (and not the kind that Rocksarge usually looks at)

Quoted: I've got an 06 with the manual and love it.  Had a few suspension issues, but they were cleared up under warranty no problems.  If it's an 06 you're looking at then you should have plenty of warranty left anyway. Some things to consider about this car: 1.  This is not a very "economical" vehicle.  I average ~18 miles to the PREMIUM ONLY gallon.  If you don't mind paying $55 (and going up every time) for a tank of gas, then that's no problem, but if you're looking for a prius, look elsewhere. 2.  The back seats are comfortable, but they're absolutely horrible to get back into.  The front seats fold forward, and then slide forward on an agonizingly slow electric motor.  If you have people riding along with you, be prepared to listen to them bitch about how much of a hassle it is to get into the back of the car. 3.  The trunk is tiny.  You can fit a set of golf clubs there (maybe) but that about does it.  The fuel tank is mounted between the trunk and rear seats, so there is no way to fold the rear seats down for additional storage.  If you intend on putting a subwoofer box or anything else back there, it will eat up even more space. 4.  The paint tends to run thin on these cars.  Be prepared for rock chip hell on the nose, especially if you don't take good care of it.  It's also fairly easy to scratch through the paint and down to the primer.  A good coat of wax/polish is a must at all times to protect the paint as much as possible. 5.  If you plan to do any drag racing, start planning on replacing the tires, and doing something to the rear suspension.  The factory tires split the difference between sticky and long lasting, and thus are a bit hard to get a lot of grip with.  Combine that with the IRS and somewhat soft springs in the back, and you have a recipe for traction problems. 6.  Speaking of traction problems, THIS CAR IS NOT FORGIVING.  If you've been reading on ls1gto.com, then you know that about every week or so there's a "welp, I wrecked my GTO" thread.  A great many of these wrecks are from dumbasses pushing the car too far, running out of traction and/or talent, and wrapping it around a tree/guardrail/other car/etc.  If you've never driving a high HP/TQ RWD car, be very careful until you get a good feel for this car, ESPECIALLY in the rain.  It WILL bite you if you're not careful. 7.  If you plan to mod it, anything over 400 or so RWHP will necessitate a new clutch.  The clutch is the weakest point in the driveline, and it seems when guys go much over 400 HP to the wheels, the clutch just can't hang.  The good news is the LS7 clutch from the Z06 Corvette is a drop in replacement, which is a bit cheaper than a straight out after market clutch. 8.  The factory shifter leaves a lot to be desired.  It's rubbery, and somewhat of a long throw for a performance car, though still leaps and bounds ahead of a Mustang.  The shifter is easily replaceable, and there are several very good after market options out there.  I have a GMM Ripshifter with a Lou's Short Stick, and it's everything I would want out of a shifter.  Costs about $300 and about 2 hours in the driveway to change it out. If you don't have problems with the stuff I listed above, go for the GTO and love it as much as I do.  The car is pure secks on wheels and I love every second I'm behind the wheel.  The car is a blast, and I get lots of looks and compliments.  It took people some time to warm to the GTO, but it really seems like after they stopped making them, there really was a lot more appreciation for them.  You can't beat it for the price. I leave you with Goat pr0n (and not the kind that Rocksarge usually looks at) i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/ibdmentd/GTO/DSC04259small.jpg i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/ibdmentd/GTO/DSC04256small.jpg i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/ibdmentd/GTO/DSC04255small.jpg i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/ibdmentd/GTO/DSC04268small.jpg

That is my car exactly except mine has a rear spoiler.  I already tried a set of golf clubs and they fit, might could get two.  Can you run 89 octane in it as long as your don't push it?  I might mod it but probably only intake, exhaust, and maybe headers.

Bill3508

Quoted: Quoted: Gee 3 pages and no pics of any GTO's? Sheesh. Well, heres my '99 540i to spark some GTO owners to show off their stuff i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/weebeastykillr/P7150001_edited-2.jpg WBK Ok I looked one up for you myspace-523.vo.llnwd.net/00676/32/52/676682523_l.jpg

there have been 3 GTOs burn that i know of, not exactly a representative sample.  interestingly enough, whether significant or a coincidence though, they have all been phantom black metallic...........

Quoted: I've got an 06 with the manual and love it.  Had a few suspension issues, but they were cleared up under warranty no problems.  If it's an 06 you're looking at then you should have plenty of warranty left anyway. Some things to consider about this car: 1.  This is not a very "economical" vehicle.  I average ~18 miles to the PREMIUM ONLY gallon.  If you don't mind paying $55 (and going up every time) for a tank of gas, then that's no problem, but if you're looking for a prius, look elsewhere. 2.  The back seats are comfortable, but they're absolutely horrible to get back into.  The front seats fold forward, and then slide forward on an agonizingly slow electric motor.  If you have people riding along with you, be prepared to listen to them bitch about how much of a hassle it is to get into the back of the car. 3.  The trunk is tiny.  You can fit a set of golf clubs there (maybe) but that about does it.  The fuel tank is mounted between the trunk and rear seats, so there is no way to fold the rear seats down for additional storage.  If you intend on putting a subwoofer box or anything else back there, it will eat up even more space. 4.  The paint tends to run thin on these cars.  Be prepared for rock chip hell on the nose, especially if you don't take good care of it.  It's also fairly easy to scratch through the paint and down to the primer.  A good coat of wax/polish is a must at all times to protect the paint as much as possible.

Your being forgiving on the paint, if scratches if you look at it wrong.  

The trunk is borderline useless, shopping with it was not fun.

Im a small person, getting on those seats was hard for me, impossible for most the people I know.  If your taking anyone who is on the large side, or elderly plan on taking another car.  

I dont miss the mileage and miss paying for premium gas even less.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gee 3 pages and no pics of any GTO's? Sheesh. Well, heres my '99 540i to spark some GTO owners to show off their stuff i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/weebeastykillr/P7150001_edited-2.jpg WBK Ok I looked one up for you myspace-523.vo.llnwd.net/00676/32/52/676682523_l.jpg there have been 3 GTOs burn that i know of, not exactly a representative sample.  interestingly enough, whether significant or a coincidence though, they have all been phantom black metallic...........

So was mine, and it didnt

Well thats the quickest photo I could find of one burning.  

I got tired of trying to get decent late model rear drive V-8s.

I restored this instead. I've got about 15k into it thus far.







I also love my 01 BMW 325Ci vert.

Quoted: That is my car exactly except mine has a rear spoiler.  I already tried a set of golf clubs and they fit, might could get two.  Can you run 89 octane in it as long as your don't push it?  I might mod it but probably only intake, exhaust, and maybe headers. Bill3508

You can run 89 and even 87 in it, but the computer retards timing and performance suffers, as does mileage.  In fact, one of the guys over at ls2gto.com ran the math on it, and with the reduced mileage, found that it was actually cheaper to run 93 in the car.

Guys also do run E85 in it with no problems, even though it isn't explicitly flex fuel.


I've done the intake and replaced the mufflers, as well as the previously mentioned shifter mod.  Woke the car up a bit, and sounds great now.  I also swapped out the black interior panels for the ones from the blue interior, so now my car has the blue interior, but with black seats.  It looks badass IMO.

Quoted: I got tired of trying to get decent late model rear drive V-8s. I restored this instead. I've got about 15k into it thus far. adw.go-gbs.com/IMG_2374.jpg adw.go-gbs.com/IMG_2375.jpg adw.go-gbs.com/IMG_2376.jpg I also love my 01 BMW 325Ci vert.

Very, very nice.

And, as an aside, is that Pioche? I haven't been there in years.
I grew up near/in Reno.

Good eye. It is the corner of Hinman and Main in Pioche, NV.

Taxman sounds like he's still in love with the girl that burned him.

I've never talked that much about a car that I've gotten rid of...

Quoted: Taxman sounds like he's still in love with the girl that burned him. I've never talked that much about a car that I've gotten rid of...

No you piss me off enough I remember it and have a vendetta.  My memory doesnt let me forget much either.   Ever have something thats a major pain in your ass, you didnt forget it did you?

I dont do this with everything that gave me problems, I might bring them up, and if the company made them right, I'll tell that story too.  In this case GTO gave me problems and the dealers and company made it worse.

I go to the dealers to waste thier time, take thier paperwork, etc, as a hobby.  I think I'll try to hitup one next week, I have been slack and havent done it in awhile.

Sorry you had a bad experience.

Quoted: Sorry you had a bad experience.

Bad understates it, it was a large waste of personal time, money, time off work and a great annoyance.  It was also a lesson.

I try to keep this from happening to others, and also damage the company as much as possible.

Quoted: Quoted: Sorry you had a bad experience. Bad understates it, it was a large waste of personal time, money, time off work and a great annoyance.  It was also a lesson. I try to keep this from happening to others, and also damage the company as much as possible.

If everyone who got burned by a lemon took it as hard as you do, and were successful in their personal fucking agenda, than nobody would buy any car from any manufacturer.  So you ended up with a monday morning edition.  Sucks, but get the fuck over it.  

trust me you really don't know about TAXMAN.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sorry you had a bad experience. Bad understates it, it was a large waste of personal time, money, time off work and a great annoyance.  It was also a lesson. I try to keep this from happening to others, and also damage the company as much as possible. If everyone who got burned by a lemon took it as hard as you do, and were successful in their personal fucking agenda, than nobody would buy any car from any manufacturer.  So you ended up with a monday morning edition.  Sucks, but get the fuck over it.

I will get over it when the company folds, and EVERY one of them is crushed, melted and made into bullets to be shot at the foreign people.  Or I die.

Until them its not happening.  I got my vendetta, thats not going away.