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Yeah except this is the agent who's job it is to fulfill these information requests, now what Einstein? |
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THEY CANNOT BUY IT FOR PERSONAL PURPOSES UNDER FEDERAL LAW.
But they can use it for that once they bought it for LE purposes. CRC |
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The rifle is most certainly in their name. But it is conditional ownership. The must have the money to buy it, and it must be a weapon that has been certified for duty use. The gun is sold on a 4473 to the individual officer, with certification that it is for duty use. If they leave LE, they can sell it, (to an FFL, or another person allowed to have a post ban AW, like another LEO) and keep the proceeds from the sale. The problem is you are creating new and different meanings to the word ownership. |
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Let me guess, at the local office? The moron at the office local to me told a friend of mine he couldn't build a SBR Thompson when he asked. I got him to call the tech branch and they told him the right info and sent him the forms. |
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Why do you suppose they said "another Law Enforcement Agency", becasue it was in the officers depts name. |
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The whole dang law is stupid and confusing.
Your dealing with .gov CRC |
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"may be transferred to another Law Enforcement Agency through a Federal Firearms Licensed dealer."
It MAY also be transferred to another authorized LEO. CRC |
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You realize you posted a paragraph about MG's and SBR's covered under the NFA Act of '34, as well as the MG ban of '86, and not anything relevant to post-ban AW's, don't ya? EDIT: Also in there, talking about shipping to a LEA. Bushmaster or other firearms manufacturers can do that, under federal law individual states may place more restrictions, without shipping to an FFL. The LEA is legally transferring the weapon to an individual like an FFL would do. (Non-NFA weapons) |
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From the Bushmaster LE site:
"Peace officers may not lawfully keep federally defined assault weapons that they purchased or acquired as their own property when they retire or leave their employment with a law enforcement agency" |
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exatcly Its like Renting the gun As long there still a LEO they can posses it. |
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No. They may not lawfully keep semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices that they purchased or acquired as their own property. However, the law provides an exception for items that belong to a law enforcement agency and are transferred by the agency to an officer upon the officer’s retirement from, or termination of his or her employment with, the agency. Neither this exception nor the exception for official use permits officers to retain their own weapons or feeding devices after retiring or leaving the agency or to acquire additional items. Officers who retire or leave their employment with a law enforcement agency should transfer assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices that are their own property to a Federal firearms licensee or another qualified officer. [18 U.S.C. 922(v)(4), (w)(3)] |
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Its more like living in a state that allows it, the when you move (quit LE) into california you have to get rid of it. |
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Wow, I even rated my own personal message from jrzy:
"Bet you wouldn't call me a fucktard to my face jerkoff. POS like you are always so fucking brave behind a screen of a computer. Do it on the board again and I'll make sure you ger booted." I guess I should be afraid of the fucktard, eh? |
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You realize you just made OUR point, right? Thanks! We all understand that as of now we can not keep those weapons if we leave LE. OWNERSHIP is conditional but it is still OWNERSHIP. |
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The red shows that this is saying what they have to do when they quit being LEO's. The blue shows that they can buy and posess them, as this deals with what they do with such when they cease to be LEO's. |
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No problem sparky, it's your account after all. |
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Why because one of your brother officers justs keeps violating the COC? Part of my reasons for this thread was some LEO's don't know they have to follow the rules just as we do. You don't think I had to bite my lip when he called me an ignorant fucktard in clear viloation of the COC? |
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Yet the reasons you list are false. When it comes to the law in this case you are ignorant. |
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(O9) May law enforcement officers keep their semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices when they retire or leave their employment with a law enforcement agency?
No. They may not lawfully keep semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices that they purchased or acquired as their own property. However, the law provides an exception for items that belong to a law enforcement agency and are transferred by the agency to an officer upon the officer’s retirement from, or termination of his or her employment with, the agency. Neither this exception nor the exception for official use permits officers to retain their own weapons or feeding devices after retiring or leaving the agency or to acquire additional items. Officers who retire or leave their employment with a law enforcement agency should transfer assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices that are their own property to a Federal firearms licensee or another qualified officer. [18 U.S.C. 922(v)(4), (w)(3)] It appears as thgough an LEO can order the rifle in his name as long as he meets the BATF mandates. It also appears "ownership" sketchy at best. I will get a clarifacation and I''l do it in such a way as to not cause as ripple effects. My goal is not to cause anyone any harm even if I was totally right. |
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Guys, give it up. This is at least the second thread that jrzy has started on this subject and this one is going down the same sad road that the first one did. The bottom line is that you are not going to be able to convince him of the truth. He either has some psychotic hatred of law enforcement officers that renders him unable to listen to reason, or he suffers from a cognitive dysfunction that makes it impossible for him to logically process information. Either way, you are not going to get through to him.
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No, you know I do not condone any of that crap, although I will at times call stupid as I see it. What I think is sad is how badly you want to be right so you can demonstrate that the LEOs you hate so much are in fact felons themselves... Even in the face of all of the documentation you have been shown you refused to let it go. To me that is desperate and yes, sad. |
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Sorry, but I took an oath to tell the truth, even if it violates the COC of this board . I expect that tomorrow jrzy will post that he spoke with an FBI agent on the 'phone who told him that my use of that term on an internet board was a 'hate crime', and that everyone who posted here can expect to be subpoened into federal court as a witness for my trial.
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IM sent to Sparky. The rest of you be advised that I will deal with those who violate CoC in this thread from here on.
Comprende? |
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Who else has? I too wait to see if many of my peers are felons... NOT! |
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What are you talking about? Relax and enjoy the show. Nobody gets "shot" around here unless they do it to themselves. |
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As I said last night, The BATF repeated what they already told me and said if I want an answer in writing I must submit a request for clarification in writing. I don't know how long it takes to get an answer but I am sending it out tonight via US mail. |
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No, real life, I'm building a new house in Pa. and I wasn't here. Sorry if that didn't fit in with your tight schedule. |
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So after everything you have seen you still think you and your guy are right? Tell you what I'll talf to MY guyS tomorrow if I get a minute... Would you take my word for it? |
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Hell, I missed the letters cruizer posted.
I guess that is pretty conclusive, eh? |
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OK - i have powers of arrest anywhere in the state, 24/7. so... I'm alway ready to use an AW in an official capacity. problem solved. I had to buy my own sidearm. my Glock 21 was purchased on letterhead. if I leave I have to sell the mags and keep the pistol. If I have an AW and I quit, I have to sell or transfer the rifle to someone else who can own it. there are e-mails all the time about LE only weapons being sold from person to person in the dept... colt 9mm AR for 650 the other day. I should have grabbed it. |
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I just wanted to post a relevant discussion regarding this thread from another thread...
Apparently Jrzy thinks cruizer's letter is bogus or he is mentally blocking it out or something. Hell if I know.
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Get that letter? Waiting to see if some of my boys need bail money!
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