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I can have a non-DUI arrest hooked, booked, and typed in well under an hour. A DUI will take closer to an hour and a half. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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2-3 isnt a big deal. Paperwork takes the same amount of time whether its a felony, misdemeanor, or municipal arrest. I have had as many as five in one night, and it didnt take more than an hour or two of OT to get them done. One arrest puts you out for the whole night where I worked. I can have a non-DUI arrest hooked, booked, and typed in well under an hour. A DUI will take closer to an hour and a half. My jail is a 40minute drive from my beat, each way. Jail processing takes about an hour. So figure three hours from contact to back in service. If the prisoner has medical problems add five hours for the hospital clearance. |
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Any arrest for us would generate a report. There are relatively few things we do that wouldn't result in a report View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant. I was speaking of arresting for an outstanding warrant. If I arrested someone on a new charge, then yes, a report would be needed. The idea of beat cop having to find a judge is alien to me as well. We dropped them off at the jail and never saw them again unless it went to court. Any arrest for us would generate a report. There are relatively few things we do that wouldn't result in a report Yup. Same here. |
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No one goes into our jail without seeing a judge on an immediate arraignment The only exception would be the straight-to-jail parole warrants If we're getting a warrant for someone there will be a delay of a day or two while the warrant is being applied for. If someone is arrested without a warrant, its back to that immediate arraignment again. Like I said, relatively few exceptions to going to jail without seeing a judge in most cases. Has nothing to do with size of jurisdiction. That's NYS for you View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The way our arrest system works. I arrest John smith on x charge. Place him on a 24 hour hold pending a warrant. I finish the PC In as quick of manner as possible and fax it to the prosecuting attorney during the week or the Sheriffs dept during the weekends. If arrest is made after business hours then the prosecutor checks his fax machine every morning and sends the paperwork to the judge and a warrant is issued. No one goes into our jail without seeing a judge on an immediate arraignment The only exception would be the straight-to-jail parole warrants If we're getting a warrant for someone there will be a delay of a day or two while the warrant is being applied for. If someone is arrested without a warrant, its back to that immediate arraignment again. Like I said, relatively few exceptions to going to jail without seeing a judge in most cases. Has nothing to do with size of jurisdiction. That's NYS for you Wow what a drain on resources. They see the judge the next morning or within 48 hours on a weekend. Misdemeanor arrests are typically 45-90 mins, paperwork and all. Warrants are half hour tops, very little paperwork. Can be back in service from a DUI arrest within 90 mins if the person refuses chemical testing, most refuse. The paperwork from a DUI is time consuming. I usually end up with an hour or two OT if I land one on 2nd shift just because there is no time to get the paperwork done. A felony will pretty much put you off the street for the night (depending on what exactly it is) if the paperwork is going to be done with minimal OT. There is a lot more paperwork expected. We're expected to average an arrest or so per shift. The go getters average a little better than 2. Any more than that and people would start getting pissed about the time spent not handling calls. |
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After reading all this I'm glad I work in Florida. There is no reason why everywhere else should be so inefficient. What a waste of tax money.
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A warrant for me will be 2 hours minimum. Locate the individual, take them into custody Process Find a judge. Arraign If remanded, drive to the jail and TOT to Corrections staff. The only variable would be if it was an arrest for another agency. In that case, verify warrant, take into custody, meet their guy at the half way point somewhere and then go back into service after writing a supplemental for other agency assist. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Depends the arrest. A warrant or capias arrest takes about 45 minutes from the time I make contact to the time I get back 10-8 in the field. Another 20 to put the narrative from the PC affidavit onto the incident report with all the bubbles filled out. DUI...about 2.5 hours. A warrant for me will be 2 hours minimum. Locate the individual, take them into custody Process Find a judge. Arraign If remanded, drive to the jail and TOT to Corrections staff. The only variable would be if it was an arrest for another agency. In that case, verify warrant, take into custody, meet their guy at the half way point somewhere and then go back into service after writing a supplemental for other agency assist. Wow. If we find one, put the cuffs on them, dispatch confirms they have the warrant (or the county that issued it does), drive them to jail, fill out one page long sheet. Wham bam thank you mam. The longest part is driving to the jail. |
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Wow what a drain on resources. They see the judge the next morning or within 48 hours on a weekend. .... We're expected to average an arrest or so per shift. The go getters average a little better than 2. Any more than that and people would start getting pissed about the time spent not handling calls. View Quote That's a long time for a defendant to wait to see a judge , IMHO. How big a population are you working with? To me, you arrest the people who really need arresting. An arrest isn't a traffic ticket, its a stain on someones life-long criminal record Expecting an arrest for every 8 hours means that sooner or later your line in the sand is going to shift and you're going to be arresting people because they're nothing more than a stat to you, or finding stuff to arrest them on that maybe shouldn't be arrest-able.....like NYPDs novel interpretation of gravity knives and how they open them to get a "violation". |
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That's a long time for a defendant to wait to see a judge , IMHO. How big a population are you working with? To me, you arrest the people who really need arresting. An arrest isn't a traffic ticket, its a stain on someones life-long criminal record Expecting an arrest for every 8 hours means that sooner or later your line in the sand is going to shift and you're going to be arresting people because they're nothing more than a stat to you, or finding stuff to arrest them on that maybe shouldn't be arrest-able.....like NYPDs novel interpretation of gravity knives and how they open them to get a "violation". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wow what a drain on resources. They see the judge the next morning or within 48 hours on a weekend. .... We're expected to average an arrest or so per shift. The go getters average a little better than 2. Any more than that and people would start getting pissed about the time spent not handling calls. That's a long time for a defendant to wait to see a judge , IMHO. How big a population are you working with? To me, you arrest the people who really need arresting. An arrest isn't a traffic ticket, its a stain on someones life-long criminal record Expecting an arrest for every 8 hours means that sooner or later your line in the sand is going to shift and you're going to be arresting people because they're nothing more than a stat to you, or finding stuff to arrest them on that maybe shouldn't be arrest-able.....like NYPDs novel interpretation of gravity knives and how they open them to get a "violation". We have these onerous "Shall Arrest" statutes and ordinances. Little stuff like Petit Larceny and Driving Under Suspension are required arrests for us...so we really dont get a choice. |
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We have these onerous "Shall Arrest" statutes and ordinances. Little stuff like Petit Larceny and Driving Under Suspension are required arrests for us...so we really dont get a choice. View Quote If you have a complainant and the actions legitimately fit the criminal statute then arrest away. However, NYPD holding a knife by its blade and flipping it to get it to open...in my mind no one meant that when the law was written, no one holds a knife like that ..that's just NYPD looking for an easy scratch. Tagging someone for a concealed weapon because you have your spyderco clipped to your pants pocket...yeah, stuff like that shouldn't fly. I consider an AUO to be what it is: a misd traffic ticket. The only way I take people for immediate arraignment in those cases is if the suspensions are for failure to appear on earlier tickets |
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That's a long time for a defendant to wait to see a judge , IMHO. How big a population are you working with? To me, you arrest the people who really need arresting. An arrest isn't a traffic ticket, its a stain on someones life-long criminal record Expecting an arrest for every 8 hours means that sooner or later your line in the sand is going to shift and you're going to be arresting people because they're nothing more than a stat to you, or finding stuff to arrest them on that maybe shouldn't be arrest-able.....like NYPDs novel interpretation of gravity knives and how they open them to get a "violation". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Wow what a drain on resources. They see the judge the next morning or within 48 hours on a weekend. .... We're expected to average an arrest or so per shift. The go getters average a little better than 2. Any more than that and people would start getting pissed about the time spent not handling calls. That's a long time for a defendant to wait to see a judge , IMHO. How big a population are you working with? To me, you arrest the people who really need arresting. An arrest isn't a traffic ticket, its a stain on someones life-long criminal record Expecting an arrest for every 8 hours means that sooner or later your line in the sand is going to shift and you're going to be arresting people because they're nothing more than a stat to you, or finding stuff to arrest them on that maybe shouldn't be arrest-able.....like NYPDs novel interpretation of gravity knives and how they open them to get a "violation". Population is around 20,000 Should've clarified a bit since it doesn'take any sense, but it was late. The "arrest" stat includes citations and multiple charges go down as multiple "arrests". One per day is really nothing. That said, other than traffic accidents, very few citations get issued on evening shift. Most of the "arrests" are indeed people getting booked into jail. IMO that's are reasonable time frame to see a judge. If there's any doubt of guilt in your mind, a summons should be issued. Not saying innocent people don't get arrested, but there's never been any doubt for me. |
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Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant. I was speaking of arresting for an outstanding warrant. If I arrested someone on a new charge, then yes, a report would be needed. The idea of beat cop having to find a judge is alien to me as well. We dropped them off at the jail and never saw them again unless it went to court. Any arrest for us would generate a report. There are relatively few things we do that wouldn't result in a report We used to do this. Now any warrant from another agency results in a booking sheet and that's it. As an Detective I hate this because now I have to track down the officer who made the report and find out the circumstances of the arrest. I think a report should be generated on every arrest regardless of circumstances..if nothing else, it's good intel for the future. |
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Population is around 20,000 Should've clarified a bit since it doesn'take any sense, but it was late. The "arrest" stat includes citations and multiple charges go down as multiple "arrests". One per day is really nothing. That said, other than traffic accidents, very few citations get issued on evening shift. Most of the "arrests" are indeed people getting booked into jail. IMO that's are reasonable time frame to see a judge. If there's any doubt of guilt in your mind, a summons should be issued. Not saying innocent people don't get arrested, but there's never been any doubt for me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Population is around 20,000 Should've clarified a bit since it doesn'take any sense, but it was late. The "arrest" stat includes citations and multiple charges go down as multiple "arrests". One per day is really nothing. That said, other than traffic accidents, very few citations get issued on evening shift. Most of the "arrests" are indeed people getting booked into jail. IMO that's are reasonable time frame to see a judge. If there's any doubt of guilt in your mind, a summons should be issued. Not saying innocent people don't get arrested, but there's never been any doubt for me. Not a matter of doubt, but I think that everyone should see a judge before being locked up. Just my opinion. I understand that mistakes happen and yes, the bulk of our clientele are so far gone down Recidivist Road that theres no way they are "innocent" of anything....but I think that every accused person should see a judge, have their identity and charges and some basic elements of the case confirmed before a magistrate before they spend a minute behind bars. . By arrests I was only counting violations to felonies, not traffic offenses Quoted:
We used to do this. Now any warrant from another agency results in a booking sheet and that's it. As an Detective I hate this because now I have to track down the officer who made the report and find out the circumstances of the arrest. I think a report should be generated on every arrest regardless of circumstances..if nothing else, it's good intel for the future. Even a barebones booking sheet should have a narrative section relating the events surrounding the arrest completed. The old standard booking form did, before we went to Spillman If you don't write it down you're relying on failable memory, and you never know what case will wind up in court later |
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If you have a complainant and the actions legitimately fit the criminal statute then arrest away. However, NYPD holding a knife by its blade and flipping it to get it to open...in my mind no one meant that when the law was written, no one holds a knife like that ..that's just NYPD looking for an easy scratch. Tagging someone for a concealed weapon because you have your spyderco clipped to your pants pocket...yeah, stuff like that shouldn't fly. I consider an AUO to be what it is: a misd traffic ticket. The only way I take people for immediate arraignment in those cases is if the suspensions are for failure to appear on earlier tickets View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We have these onerous "Shall Arrest" statutes and ordinances. Little stuff like Petit Larceny and Driving Under Suspension are required arrests for us...so we really dont get a choice. If you have a complainant and the actions legitimately fit the criminal statute then arrest away. However, NYPD holding a knife by its blade and flipping it to get it to open...in my mind no one meant that when the law was written, no one holds a knife like that ..that's just NYPD looking for an easy scratch. Tagging someone for a concealed weapon because you have your spyderco clipped to your pants pocket...yeah, stuff like that shouldn't fly. I consider an AUO to be what it is: a misd traffic ticket. The only way I take people for immediate arraignment in those cases is if the suspensions are for failure to appear on earlier tickets It depends for us as well. If it's the third time they've been stopped for a suspension without reinstating their license then it's an automatic arrest. Same goes if they're a habitual traffic offender..ie they have had 4 moving violations within 4 months and have not gone to traffic school. I'm not a fan of hooking people up for traffic offenses unless it's reckless or DUI, but sometimes there is no discretion in Florida. |
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I'm not a fan of hooking people up for traffic offenses unless it's reckless or DUI, but sometimes there is no discretion in Florida. View Quote We had discretion for operating while suspended but too many cops were just writing tickets for it. Then a guy with dozens of suspensions ran down a family and killed them. Once they found out he had just been written tickets and cut loose dozens of times they ended the use of discretion and it became a must arrest. I had guys I arrested with over 100 suspensions who were stopped and ticketed tons of times in the past and never arrested. After 10 it's a felony and guys were still just writing a traffic tickets and cutting them loose. |
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A felony on view arrest per night would be a go getter here, but during the busier times of year the call load doesn't give much of a chance to go out hunting.
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We used to do this. Now any warrant from another agency results in a booking sheet and that's it. As an Detective I hate this because now I have to track down the officer who made the report and find out the circumstances of the arrest. I think a report should be generated on every arrest regardless of circumstances..if nothing else, it's good intel for the future. View Quote Wow, with my agency every arrest even if it's another agencies warrant generates an arrest report to at least cover the reasoning behind the contact. |
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We had discretion for operating while suspended but too many cops were just writing tickets for it. Then a guy with dozens of suspensions ran down a family and killed them. Once they found out he had just been written tickets and cut loose dozens of times they ended the use of discretion and it became a must arrest. I had guys I arrested with over 100 suspensions who were stopped and ticketed tons of times in the past and never arrested. After 10 it's a felony and guys were still just writing a traffic tickets and cutting them loose. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm not a fan of hooking people up for traffic offenses unless it's reckless or DUI, but sometimes there is no discretion in Florida. We had discretion for operating while suspended but too many cops were just writing tickets for it. Then a guy with dozens of suspensions ran down a family and killed them. Once they found out he had just been written tickets and cut loose dozens of times they ended the use of discretion and it became a must arrest. I had guys I arrested with over 100 suspensions who were stopped and ticketed tons of times in the past and never arrested. After 10 it's a felony and guys were still just writing a traffic tickets and cutting them loose. Yea that's crazy. If they're suspended we can't let them drive at all and have to notate in the CAD who is taking possession of the vehicle. Not sure if that's the case in the situation you described. It has become a huge liability here as well for the exact reason you just stated. |
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We used to do this. Now any warrant from another agency results in a booking sheet and that's it. As an Detective I hate this because now I have to track down the officer who made the report and find out the circumstances of the arrest. I think a report should be generated on every arrest regardless of circumstances..if nothing else, it's good intel for the future. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant. I was speaking of arresting for an outstanding warrant. If I arrested someone on a new charge, then yes, a report would be needed. The idea of beat cop having to find a judge is alien to me as well. We dropped them off at the jail and never saw them again unless it went to court. Any arrest for us would generate a report. There are relatively few things we do that wouldn't result in a report We used to do this. Now any warrant from another agency results in a booking sheet and that's it. As an Detective I hate this because now I have to track down the officer who made the report and find out the circumstances of the arrest. I think a report should be generated on every arrest regardless of circumstances..if nothing else, it's good intel for the future. That'd make just arresting someone on local/outside warrants less of a quick option though. |
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Depends on the hood you work in. When I was assigned to a high crime / low income area with public housing ( yes its true...poverty =crime ) it was easy to make multiple felony arrests every shift. The highly motivated / curious types always got the good pinches, the ROD ( retired on duty) types always complained that there was nothing to do unless it came up and bit them.
Our DA started "no actioning" many felony drug arrests due to budgetary issues, so I began focusing on non drug related crimes. Just get creative and get going.. Start stopping cars on chippy traffic violations and go fishing for guns, stolen property, and drugs. Its amazing how much information you can get out of a user when the alternative is to take their bag and haul em to jail, even if they let em walk. Get creative, use the statutes to your advantage, Don't let the defense bar have the exclusive domain of using the laws to their advantage. Re the reports, I kept "templates" on my laptop. On relatively simple stuff, burgs, stolen cars etc, it was simple to just change / write over) the last report. It saves a lot of time. You can always add / delete stuff to customize the report as the needs dictate. If a category / heading did not apply I would just type in "N/A" and move on. Sorry to those of you who have printed forms, a royal pain....... |
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damn, i need to be thankful instead of bitching about paperwork. working for a SO (13 patrol) (8 admin/CID) things are way different.
the only warrants we do are evading and the like, CID does the rest. if you arrest off a warrant all you do is a bookin sheet/ inventory calls that require no officer action are logged as notes at the end of the shift. Always tow for drug/DWI or stolen property offenses, other that that i don't tow if someone is there or nearby can take possession. usually get at least 1 arrest a week, up to 1-3 a day depending on how crazy it is. not counting transport time, on sight arrests take about an hour and a half depending on how many people are brought up on charges. it only even takes that long because the wreckers take forever. we do inventory sheets/search while we wait. when you get to the jail all you do is a bookin sheet. then walk to the squad room and write the PC and OR. At our agency dope hounds are the go getters, specifically meth, find enough meth and the capt or sheriff himself will give you a pat on the back everyone on night shift tries to find dope/burglars, everyone on days tries to catch up on all the theft/burg/mischief reports they catch |
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Just the transport time from our holding area to the jail is 30 minutes, one way... and that's on night shift, when there's no traffic.
One of the guys on my squad had a DUI the other night and cleared it in 3-4 hours, a good chunk of which was taken up by having to have the guy medically cleared by EMS before they'd accept him at the jail (not a normal occurrence). |
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