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Posted: 3/13/2011 12:50:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Granted I think somebody else wrote it, but that besides the point. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 12:50:45 PM EDT
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am i the only one that thinks he's actually talking sense? I recall alot of people here screaming that existing laws need to be enforced, but when obama says it, all i read is FBO It is very hard to start trusting the word of someone who has been untrustworthy before of what has been said. "No, Sir, I do not believe you. You have lied before and I do not believe you are telling the truth now." This is a man who often uses another word for "Fact", a word that can be interpreted by who speaks it. He talked of a science policy based on "Truth".....but science isn't about truth, it is about fact. He talks of "commonsense"....but one man's commonsense may differ from another. Granted, about I said "truth" and perhaps I used the wrong word but I am more willing to accept truth based on fact......and I see this man as telling a truth based on what is perceived as the most acceptable to the audience. I do not trust what this man says. I believe this man will say words that will sway the audience but will not be accurate. Or they will be words of another placed on his lips. Or he will not know what he is talking about but speak as if he does. I do not trust this man and doubt if I ever will. _________________________________________________ ("You have tricked us before, Q."––Worf to a now human Q, (w,stte), ST:TNG "Q Who") |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 12:52:09 PM EDT
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Sounds like they want to levy another unfunded mandate on the states to report more to NICS.
And the patient confidentiality laws (HIPPA) are liable to be found 'in the way.' |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 12:52:16 PM EDT
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I bothered to read it. Shame on you if you are criticized it without reading.  He said what many here keep harping on: Enforce the laws already on the books! Strengthen the NICS laws! Nothing about magazine restrictions and such nonsense. Granted I think somebody else wrote it, but that besides the point. And do you believe him? I read the article, I know what he wrote but I dont believe any of it. If he were a moderate he would have called for national CCW in the wake of the arizona shooting. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 12:53:03 PM EDT
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So, he didn't actually say anything, correct? Merely a litmus test. This would be the appropriate time for us to communicate our desire that he go FUCK himself, before he considers a move towards actual legislation. I'm thinking the same.He's ramping up his bullshit in hopes of being re-elected,and he can't figure this one out. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 12:53:07 PM EDT
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Most gun owners know that the word "commonsense" isn't a code word for "confiscation."
Bullshit. Fuck him. ETA: And fuck anyone who carries his water. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 12:53:22 PM EDT
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So he wants a better NICS. Nothing wrong with that on its face. However, with this asshat you have to read the fine print first. Let's see what law he actually proposes.
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Posted: 3/13/2011 12:56:50 PM EDT
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I bothered to read it. Shame on you if you are criticized it without reading. He said what many here keep harping on: Enforce the laws already on the books! Strengthen the NICS laws! Nothing about magazine restrictions and such nonsense. Granted I think somebody else wrote it, but that besides the point. I think that I have to agree with you. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 12:59:07 PM EDT
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am i the only one that thinks he's actually talking sense? I recall alot of people here screaming that existing laws need to be enforced, but when obama says it, all i read is FBO If thats actually all he wanted to do, I'm with you. As others have stated, I have a feeling he would actually like to see far more done to limit gun ownership. Thankfully, the current political climate won't allow it. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:00:29 PM EDT
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I read it all. carefully. twice.
"We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it." Translation: We will eliminate F2F transactions as soon as we can, thus forcing you to use a dealer who can charge no more, than "say" $250 indexed to inflation for the transfer fee. (we'll sneak this into some shitty bill if we can while no one is looking) When that doesn't work because of all the guns out there that we don't know about and can't track ownership of after the first transfer post 4473, we'll have to have Federal Gun Registration. Maybe no more than $10 per gun, per year. You know, so we can track who has what and ensure that "criminals can't escape it". Obama. Fuck be upon him. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:01:34 PM EDT
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Sure, strengthening the NCIS system sounds reasonable. For many people, requiring background checks for ALL firearms purchases, including face-to-face between non-dealers sounds reasonable. Get that passed and in 5, 10 or 15 years many people will find a national database requiring registration of all guns and gun owners reasonable. And it goes on from there.
I'm not a wild-eyed conspiracy theorist. I know what's happened in other nations that are very similar to ours. Hell, this asshole in the White House might even be sincere but why give the next bunch of gun-grabbing politicians a higher rung on the confiscation ladder to start from? |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:05:34 PM EDT
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Gas prices are up and his poll numbers are down.
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:08:00 PM EDT
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But what about the executive order?
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:10:40 PM EDT
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Seems like he indirectly was hinting that we should close the dreaded gunshow loophole.
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:14:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Weather that is the case or not these seem like some pretty moderate reasonable suggestions. This all sounds like a far cry from the "gun grabbing radical socialist" that every one said he was. He sure did help sell a hell of a lot of over priced ammo, guns and, magazines though. Honestly I think the firearms industry owes a lot to him for inspiring so much unnecesarry hysteria which I am sure was great for their bottom lines.Quoted: Surprisingly moderate point of view. I'm willing to bet his point of view on citizens owning firearms is anything but moderate. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:16:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: After the backlash towards healthcare reform he's reverted to the honored tradition of incrementalism. Big surprise. Actually if you look at it honestly that was a pretty middle of the road moderate plan as well. But only if you really honestly look at the facts, |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:18:47 PM EDT
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Surprisingly moderate point of view. Agreed. Maybe a camel's nose, but it wasn't what I expected. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:19:01 PM EDT
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with the BATF gun walker case going down now I think that 0 (Zero) was waiting to spring the UN guns are bad because of the Mexico violence and try to see if we would obey some new UN small arms restrictions that were imposed on the USA.
there seams to be a reason that the DEMs have been quite about guns for 2 years. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:19:47 PM EDT
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After the backlash towards healthcare reform he's reverted to the honored tradition of incrementalism. Big surprise. Actually if you look at it honestly that was a pretty middle of the road moderate plan as well. But only if you really honestly look at the facts, One would only hold that view if they think the American people are chattel to the federal government 
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:20:37 PM EDT
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with the BATF gun walker case going down now I think that 0 (Zero) was waiting to spring the UN guns are bad because of the Mexico violence and try to see if we would obey some new UN small arms restrictions that were imposed on the USA. there seams to be a reason that the DEMs have been quite about guns for 2 years. Anything the UN levies has no bearing in the United States without congressional ratification. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:20:38 PM EDT
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All hair our great centrist President!!
DP |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:21:17 PM EDT
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Obama is totally delusional. Someone else wrote it for him and he is just repeating it.
 
Impeach Obama for the Good of the Hippies.  
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:21:57 PM EDT
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Surprisingly moderate point of view. I was surprise too Same here, but not as much. Think about it guys, he's been in office what 3 years. Don't you think if he was hell bent of getting rid of firearms he would have done so already. It could what he wants out of his second term, but i have not heard nor read anything about him being against guns. This is either prep for 2012, or how he really feels about the issue. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:21:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.  I'm not. The sarcasm I intended didn't make it through the way I wanted. My point was that he's ok with restricting someone's rights based on the subjective will of others. That's not how our system works. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:22:50 PM EDT
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All hair our great centrist President!! DP 
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:22:50 PM EDT
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Zero's actions are speaking so loudly, I can not hear what he is saying! FBO!
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:25:02 PM EDT
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-snip- Thanks for your insight into the matter. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:26:28 PM EDT
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Surprisingly moderate point of view. I was surprise too Same here, but not as much. Think about it guys, he's been in office what 3 years. Don't you think if he was hell bent of getting rid of firearms he would have done so already. It could what he wants out of his second term, but i have not heard nor read anything about him being against guns. This is either prep for 2012, or how he really feels about the issue. Obama voted to the left of most Shitcago politicians on gun issues when he was there, and that's pretty hard to do unless you are a HARDCORE anti-gunner. You need to pay attention; you haven't heard nor read anything because you haven't looked. The most cursory search turns up a mountain of shit that shows his two-faced lying for what it is. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:27:18 PM EDT
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Surprisingly moderate point of view. I was surprise too Same here, but not as much. Think about it guys, he's been in office what 3 years. Don't you think if he was hell bent of getting rid of firearms he would have done so already. It could what he wants out of his second term, but i have not heard nor read anything about him being against guns. This is either prep for 2012, or how he really feels about the issue. Maybe, like most politicians, he is a whore, and he knows going after guns will get him nothing at all, and (if he even cares) hurt his party. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:34:12 PM EDT
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His track record in this ideological department doesn't match his words in this article (if they're even really his). And I doubt the past three years have suddenly given him a significant change of heart in his philosophy or his views on this subject.
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:39:59 PM EDT
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Granted I think somebody else wrote it, but that besides the point. Yes, I strongly believe that Obama does not have the mental capacity to come up with this article, some one else did it for him.
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:42:25 PM EDT
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But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.
No Obama, a criminal did these things. Failing a military entrance test is as easy as the millitary raising their standards.... getting deemed unstable for studies at a college is as easy as a college writing a note about someone who had a Gadsen flag (if they choose to do so). In this case, Loughner was clearly unstable and dangerous, but where is the jury review to make sure that the background check system is not withholding rights form someone who simply had sharp words with a dean on campus? No conviction, no crime, no withholding of rights. Colleges and military recruiters do not have to review a case with a judge and jury before they deny someone because they only impact participation in their service, so it's their choiuce to deny someone that participation. But they don't get to make decisions on what basic rights citizens get, and they don't have any processes or oversight to make sure they can be trusted to exercise such a power. Build these subjective judgement calls into the background check system, and you build in a path to discimination. Again, I wouldn't have a problem with crazy-bird Loughner being denied a gun sale, BUT, look at who you are handing power to when you support legislation. Colleges? Military recruiters? They do not have the power to stop someone from buying a gun today, so we should not give it to them, ever? |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:47:36 PM EDT
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So, he didn't actually say anything, correct? He said he wants to financially reward states who submit the most accurate and timely records of prohibited persons. Mental cases have been prohibited from purchasing guns for a few years now. But several states have submitted no records or incomplete records. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:56:52 PM EDT
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This is just another ruse for issuing a National ID card. Your medical records, credit file, criminal records, traffic records, outstanding fines, debts, bank account, blood type, DNA code, web-surfing history, text history, movie rental history, download history, travel history, basically everything about you will is to be stored in this database.
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Posted: 3/13/2011 1:57:10 PM EDT
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Give me my CCW and take away the AWB and you can keep the NICS. I have no problem with that. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:03:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: am i the only one that thinks he's actually talking sense? I recall alot of people here screaming that existing laws need to be enforced, but when obama says it, all i read is FBO You'll never hear that line of bullshit from me, or any other honest defender of the Bill of Rights. Problems arise not from lack of proper enforcement, but the fact that the laws exist in the first place. Screw them. Re-open the MG registry. Repeal the GCA, repeal the NFA, you name it.  |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:03:20 PM EDT
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He can choke on a great big Wookie cock.
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:05:34 PM EDT
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A well worded, moderate position. He even went so far as to predict Arfcom's response... "I know some aren't interested in participating. Some will say that anything short of the most sweeping anti-gun legislation is a capitulation to the gun lobby. Others will predictably cast any discussion as the opening salvo in a wild-eyed scheme to take away everybody's guns. And such hyperbole will become the fodder for overheated fundraising letters." What's his screen name. 
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:05:37 PM EDT
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Oh yeah, I Believe!! Can I get an Amen from the brethren?
He's into campaign mode, he'll continue to lie to further his manifesto. Want to bet what he'd try to do in a second term? Want to bet on another SC nominee being pro 2A? He's got a long record of voting against the 2A. FBHO and his acolytes. A new ban on assault-style weapons was part of Presidential candidate Barack Obama’s platform. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/17340 WASHINGTON — 4/24/2009 Campaigning before a church congregation on Chicago’s South Side one Sunday in July 2007, Barack Obama said an epidemic of big city violence was “sickening the soul of this nation.” Among the potential cures, he said, was permanently reinstating a ban on assault weapons. One-hundred days into his presidency, President Obama says it remains a goal. But it is one the White House has been forced to abandon. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30389664/ Edit to add his take on Heller: "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far, Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe. Today's ruling, the first clear statement on this issue in 127 years, will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country. As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Today's decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe." |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:06:14 PM EDT
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Surprisingly moderate point of view. I was surprise too He knows that is all he can get away with (do a better job with background checks to keep mentally unstable or criminals from legally purchasing guns) |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:11:07 PM EDT
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Surprisingly moderate point of view. yeah I'm having a hard time getting fired up about this on first read but as i'm sure he is up to something fuck obama |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:11:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Surprisingly moderate point of view. Problem is, what Zero says is almost never what he really means. He'll tell a group one thing on Monday, and on Tuesday tell a different group something wholly different. And the two things he says are mutually exclusive. And neither is what he's really going to do. We're lucky that what he really wants to do seems to be play golf and shoot hoops. Had he worked his ass off for the progressive agenda the first two years he was on office we'd be royally fucked.
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:22:15 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just paranoid, but that article came off as very deceitful to me.
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:25:08 PM EDT
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-snip- Thanks for your insight into the matter. People, please pay attention. If you insist on quoting that ' member' use this example. Thank you. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:28:14 PM EDT
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He's campaigning!
don't believe anything that the kenyan says,he does not believe in your rights and he is not moderate.he is trying to deceive you |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:29:18 PM EDT
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This will dramatically expand federal collection of State data.
It sounds so reasonable. So commonsense. More and more, any time some politician starts talking about reasonable, common sense laws, I start watching my cornhole. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:34:14 PM EDT
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Surprisingly moderate point of view. What I thought, too. That article is significantly right of most of the Democratic party, which is a very odd position for Obama to take - he's usually on the left side of the Dems. |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:35:01 PM EDT
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When the discussion about guns finally includes additional protections and expansion of rights instead of the usual "compromises" that typically leave us with less liberty, I'll show up at the table.
If Barak C. Obama wants more data to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane, then I want the registry opened up so I, as a law-abiding citizen, can afford full-auto. Again, in the spirit of true "compromise." |
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:38:16 PM EDT
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"Let me be perfectly clear" ....This is a whole lot of BS coming from a socialist POS who is looking to be re-elcted in 2012!!!!!
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Posted: 3/13/2011 2:38:51 PM EDT
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I bothered to read it. Shame on you if you are criticized it without reading. He said what many here keep harping on: Enforce the laws already on the books! Strengthen the NICS laws! Nothing about magazine restrictions and such nonsense. Granted I think somebody else wrote it, but that besides the point. I think that I have to agree with you. He knows the quickest way to losing in 2012 is to do anything, even the smallest thing, to piss off gun owners. If he can keep us quiet and placated, he has a chance at being re-elected. That's all this is. The tide has turned on gun rights in America and he and his handlers know it. |
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