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Link Posted: 5/13/2005 6:07:48 AM EDT
[#1]

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kerry would have been no better - he just would have done the same for different reasons.  Dems do it for "humanitarian reasons" Reps because it is what big business wants.



yes you're right, neither of them give a shit about us.
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 6:08:18 AM EDT
[#2]

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It's almost time to start shooting people.



I think so, also.
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 6:11:40 AM EDT
[#3]

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The tipping point will come when people & businesses start avoiding illegal aliens for fear of the violence they bring.



When you get arrested for DUI and catch drug rersistant TB from the illegal you share the drunk tank with.

When your wife or daughter gets raped by the illegal youe HOA subcontracts to mow the common areas.

When a borracho illegal totals your new truck you parked at the curb.

When an off the books illegal take your brother highway construction job.

When illegal alien bangers attack you son with a machete for looking at one of their pin cushions.

When illegal alien bangers stab a group of marines trying to have a couple beers after returnining from iraq.

In other words, when your state becomes like Cali, Arizona, & NM.



+a billion gazillion
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 6:14:40 AM EDT
[#4]

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The tipping point will come when people & businesses start avoiding illegal aliens for fear of the violence they bring.

I thing the U.S., Mexican border will prove to be a self healing barrier. Future illegal aliens are going to find the border area harder, and harder to transverse as it turns into an empty, Mad Max no-man's land.



+1
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 6:15:51 AM EDT
[#5]

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Let me get this straight... Federal Officers have been ordered to violate their oaths and to, in essence, "aid and abet" the violation of U.S. sovereignty. hinking.gif



Yes.
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 10:08:27 AM EDT
[#6]

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kerry would have been no better - he just would have done the same for different reasons.  Dems do it for "humanitarian reasons" Reps because it is what big business wants.



Neither the Democratic nor the Republican party is willing to do anything about it.  If we do get a change in our current policy, it will come from a third political party, which does not exist yet.
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 10:09:34 AM EDT
[#7]
I'm still for training our snipers at the border... they step over.... BOOM
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 12:10:19 PM EDT
[#8]

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It's almost time to start shooting people.



No, it's not - And you're not helping matters any by suggesting otherwise.



Go jump in a lake you Felon lover boy!



Got a couple of news flashes for ya, Legal Idiot-Boy:

1. Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor, not a felony.
2. Even your average 2-toothed inbred Deliverance-reject knows that posting veiled homicide threats on the internet isn't exactly the brightest idea...
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 12:24:23 PM EDT
[#9]
Well then whoever gave this order should be fired, then arrested. Immigration may be a misdemeanor, but its a felony to obstuct a federal agent. And preventing a border patrol agent from apprehending an illegal, could fall into that catagory. They could also be charged with conspiracy, since they are helping those people commit an illegal act.

Link Posted: 5/13/2005 12:25:58 PM EDT
[#10]

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I'm still for training our snipers at the border... they step over.... BOOM WHAP.... THUMP....  CRRRAAACKKKK!



Fixed that  
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 12:32:21 PM EDT
[#11]

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I know there are people here who would love to mine the border, or post snipers in towers along it.

I am not saying the system is pefect but something needs to be done. Farmers are always hiring Mexicans for the cheap help. So if there were no jobs here then they would not come. But if the farmers did not hire them and had to pay people minium wage food prices would go way thru the roof.



sorry, but that's bullshit.

Perhaps we need to stop using agricultural techniques from the 1800's?????
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 12:51:27 PM EDT
[#12]
This sucks.
Link Posted: 5/13/2005 6:32:39 PM EDT
[#13]

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It's almost time to start shooting people.



No, it's not - And you're not helping matters any by suggesting otherwise.



Go jump in a lake you Felon lover boy!



Got a couple of news flashes for ya, Legal Idiot-Boy:

1. Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor, not a felony.
2. Even your average 2-toothed inbred Deliverance-reject knows that posting veiled homicide threats on the internet isn't exactly the brightest idea...



Everything I have seen seems to indicate that once someone is expelled.....
they ARE committing a FELONY just by crossing the border back into the US
You can't tell which ones are felons just by looking at them, some ARE felons
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 12:37:25 AM EDT
[#14]

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It's almost time to start shooting people.



No, it's not - And you're not helping matters any by suggesting otherwise.



Go jump in a lake you Felon lover boy!



Got a couple of news flashes for ya, Legal Idiot-Boy:

1. Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor, not a felony.
2. Even your average 2-toothed inbred Deliverance-reject knows that posting veiled homicide threats on the internet isn't exactly the brightest idea...



 Yes, I can see it now - "yes, your honor, the defendant was using........rhetoric on an internet message board! (jury gasps)"

Oh no, I'm gonna fry.........



Seriously, though, this is the most brazen and in-your-face voter buyout in the history of politics.  Being a fucking illegal in this country is like having diplomatic immunity.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 1:08:11 AM EDT
[#15]
Every time the RNC calls and asks me for some more money,  I tell them to call back when the border is secured.  
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 1:20:53 AM EDT
[#16]
Everymans time comes sooner or later
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 1:24:41 AM EDT
[#17]

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Every time the RNC calls and asks me for some more money,  I tell them to call back when the border is secured.  



Right on!  Makes a lot of sense to spend millions at every commercial airport in the country but open our southern border up completely.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 8:04:50 AM EDT
[#18]

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Every time the RNC calls and asks me for some more money,  I tell them to call back when the border is secured.  



Right on!  Makes a lot of sense to spend millions at every commercial airport in the country but open our southern border up completely.



+1.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 8:14:20 AM EDT
[#19]

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The tipping point will come when people & businesses start avoiding illegal aliens for fear of the violence they bring.



When your wife or daughter gets raped by the illegal youe HOA subcontracts to mow the common areas.

When illegal alien bangers attack you son with a machete for looking at one of their pin cushions.




The day that happens to me is the day 007 will single handedly declare all out fucking war on Mexico and illegal immigrants.

And I dont much like the taste of losing, which would make it pretty fucking interesting.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 8:24:38 AM EDT
[#20]

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The tipping point will come when people & businesses start avoiding illegal aliens for fear of the violence they bring.

I thing the U.S., Mexican border will prove to be a self healing barrier. Future illegal aliens are going to find the border area harder, and harder to transverse as it turns into an empty, Mad Max no-man's land.




Too bad for those that live and own land down there, huh?
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 8:32:20 AM EDT
[#21]

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Its time to vote some people OUT of office.


And then do what?
Replace them with the same old shit in a different wrapper thats what.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 9:14:27 AM EDT
[#22]

Right on!  Makes a lot of sense to spend millions at every commercial airport in the country but open our southern border up completely.

Well that's because the airports are full of rich bigshots and news cameras...  The Mexican border is full of sand and cacti.  How are these asshat politicians going to be seen as "doing something" if they don't "do it" where the influential people and the cameras are?  I know locally here in Iowa they could tear up the highways and derail every train in the state and the local newpeople would still be more worried if the "regional airport" cancelled its 3 AM commuter flight to BFE that regularly books 3 passengers. I mean golly gee, without a "big city" airport people might mistake our area for... oh I don't know...  IOWA???

The really hilarious thing is how they are clamping down on the Canadian border even as they are telling agents in AZ to back off and ignore a real security threat.  Last big border incursion I heard of from Canada was some asshole carting pot across the Rainy River from Ontario to Minnesota on a freaking snowmobile.

I am still trying to believe GWB has our best interests at heart too, but I think his personal relationship with Fox has WAY too much influence on his common sense and unfortunately, US policy towards Mexico and their dregs they allow to come up here and unburden their welfare system.

John McCain seriously needs to move back to Hanoi to his ideological brethren and wave his little red flag on May Day...  Seems like every since Bush beat him in the primaries in 2000 he has sulked and done everything in his power to undermine the Republican party and the country in general for not electing his commie ass.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 9:20:59 AM EDT
[#23]

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The tipping point will come when people & businesses start avoiding illegal aliens for fear of the violence they bring.



When you get arrested for DUI and catch drug rersistant TB from the illegal you share the drunk tank with.

When your wife or daughter gets raped by the illegal youe HOA subcontracts to mow the common areas.

When a borracho illegal totals your new truck you parked at the curb.

When an off the books illegal take your brother highway construction job.

When illegal alien bangers attack you son with a machete for looking at one of their pin cushions.

When illegal alien bangers stab a group of marines trying to have a couple beers after returnining from iraq.

In other words, when your state becomes like Cali, Arizona, & NM.




You forgot to add Texas......
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 9:45:19 AM EDT
[#24]

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Couldn't resist.....

img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/Aramus/bushse.jpg




I voted for GWB and I still think that he's a good man in everything but this.  I can't for the life of me figure out why he is so obstinately stupid when it comes to reading the American people on this issue.

I had a wild thought the other day that Fox must have something on him, it's the only way that the leader of a turd-world country like Mexico can possibly exercise THAT much influence on the U.S..  Yeah, crazy I know, but can someone come up with a more plausible idea that would cause the U.S. government to ACTIVELY, WILLFULLY and SPITEFULLY disregard such a HUGE, GLARING problem?

It's going to cost the Republicans big time.  I frankly will NOT vote for them again unless some SERIOUS attention is focused on this bullshit.

For those that say "It will be worse under (fill in the blank)" I don't really give a shit anymore.  We're going to LOSE THIS NATION if the problem isn't STOPPED.  So, we put the socialist-crats in power and let them run it in the ground.  The only difference is they'll just get there a bit sooner than the Republicans will.  



Bush kisses V.Fox's ass because of two things:  Cheap labor and cheap oil.  He doesn't care about you.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 10:44:28 AM EDT
[#25]

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Let me get this straight... Federal Officers have been ordered to violate their oaths and to, in essence, "aid and abet" the violation of U.S. sovereignty.


Yes.



It has been going on for many years.......
There is a reason the citizen patrols were so effective where the BP was not
They WANTED to be effective
Law enforcement is intentionally not dealing with the problem
Because they are being ORDERED to NOT deal with the problem

www.cis.org/articles/2004/back704.html

An obvious recent example supporting this article............
The president and the U.S. Border Patrol have criticized the Minutemen as interfering with law enforcement, and posing a danger to citizens and immigrants aiming to cross the border illegally.

BUT the actual BORDER PATROL AGENTS said they were very glad the Minutemen were there

The largest local union of Border Patrol agents in the country has declared its support for the Minuteman Project in Arizona, while at the same time slamming both the American Civil Liberties Union and President Bush. (They slam Bush on the top of their first page)
Here is their homepagewww.local2544.org/

Whatever reason the .gov (Clinton AND Bush) have for wanting the ILLEGALS to come here
is SO important that High Crime Rates, Income Tax Evasion, Infectious Diseases,
Use of Forged Government Documents and EVEN Murder of Police Officers pales in comparison
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 10:49:00 AM EDT
[#26]
Dear Skibane,

Just FYI:

An alien who illegally enters the country or eludes examination or inspection by immigration officials commits a federal misdemeanor offense for the first such violation. Subsequent offenses are classified as felonies. 8 U.S.C. s 1325.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 11:03:34 AM EDT
[#27]
What a lot of you guys from the East and Midwest don't get is that dozens of small to mid sized cities in the border states are run my Mayors, City Council Members, Police Chiefs etc who are latino and loyal to the illegals. Very loyal. Frighteningly loyal.

The problem isn't just how do we stop them at the border, it's also how do we get these a-holes back out.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 11:29:19 AM EDT
[#28]

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What a lot of you guys from the East and Midwest don't get is that dozens of small to mid sized cities in the border states are run my Mayors, City Council Members, Police Chiefs etc who are latino and loyal to the illegals. Very loyal. Frighteningly loyal.

The problem isn't just how do we stop them at the border, it's also how do we get these a-holes back out.



I hate use post #556 on this, but...there is a simple solution that completely bypasses them, AND the federal .gov.

If the governor of those states would call up the general militia, and charge them with protecting the border OF THE STATE, and prevent incursion from the south, authorizing force if necessary, tons of people would show up to take part.  They would have the protection of the state government's constitution, and the federal .gov and local .gov couldn't say "boo" about it, as it is the governor's constitutional right to do exactly this.  Problem solved.  

I wish I was governor of Arizona, or New Mexico, or California, or Texas.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 11:51:31 AM EDT
[#29]

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When a DUI borracho illegal totals your new truck you're driving down the street.



Been there... Done that... got a new (used) truck as proof.


When an off the books illegal takes your construction job.


BTDT too - seems the "handyman" service is cheaper than my licensed, "to Code" electrical shop.

That's fine, when it burns down I'll be back at your house in my other, more official capacity... with the Fire Department.

Make sure the batteries are good in your smoke detectors.


In other words, when your state becomes like Cali, Arizona, Illinois & NM.

Link Posted: 5/14/2005 11:54:29 AM EDT
[#30]

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Let me get this straight... Federal Officers have been ordered to violate their oaths and to, in essence, "aid and abet" the violation of U.S. sovereignty.



Yes.



Sounds like politics as usual in Washington.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 12:01:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally posted by PeakOil

.............It's going to cost the Republicans big time. I frankly will NOT vote for them again unless some SERIOUS attention is focused on this bullshit.

________________________________________________________________________________


So, voting for the liberal dems will get this handled ?  

Here's yer sign !  


".....Darwin....stupid people doing stupid things........
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 12:03:50 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
Dear Skibane,

Just FYI:

An alien who illegally enters the country or eludes examination or inspection by immigration officials commits a federal misdemeanor offense for the first such violation. Subsequent offenses are classified as felonies. 8 U.S.C. s 1325.



Don't confuse him with facts...
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 12:08:26 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
What a lot of you guys from the East and Midwest don't get is that dozens of small to mid sized cities in the border states are run my Mayors, City Council Members, Police Chiefs etc who are latino and loyal to the illegals. Very loyal. Frighteningly loyal.

The problem isn't just how do we stop them at the border, it's also how do we get these a-holes back out.



I'm wondering if I am the only person that noticed the likely ancestry of the Border Patrol chief's surname????

AGUILAR???

hmmmm  sounds Canadian to me....
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 12:12:12 PM EDT
[#34]
It is easy to get confused...  Even Sheriff "Killem Deed" & "Makem Wear Pink" Arpiao gets it wrong:

Robert Anglen
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 16, 2005 12:00 AM
Arpaio said he did not believe Haab's actions were coincidental to the Minuteman Project. "You don't go around pulling guns on people," Arpaio said. "Being illegal is not a serious crime. You can't go to jail for being an illegal alien. . . . You can only be deported."

He is oblivious to the law and sucking up to the people that will get him reelected.

Interestingly, the DA decided not to pursue the 7 felons that Haab aprehended.  In fact, they exonerated him totally.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 12:13:31 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
Originally posted by PeakOil

.............It's going to cost the Republicans big time. I frankly will NOT vote for them again unless some SERIOUS attention is focused on this bullshit.

________________________________________________________________________________


So, voting for the liberal dems will get this handled ?  

Here's yer sign !  


".....Darwin....stupid people doing stupid things........



The point is that NETHER PARTY has the balls to stand up and do a Goddamned thing about this problem.

Vote Democrat = go to Hell on the express elevator.

Vote Republican = go to Hell on the regular elevator.

We're going to end up in the same place either way.  Which has the most chance of getting a critical mass of people pissed off and ready to kick ass, the frog in the slowly heating pot (Repubs) or the one in the pot with the burner set to "11" (Dems)?

That's where I'm with all this.  The Republicans have both houses and the Presidency and STILL they are dicking around with Democrats trying to... I frankly have no fucking idea what they're trying to do but whatever it is, it ain't fixing jack shit with what's wrong with this nation.

All of us that voted Republican THOUGHT that with a clear mandate GWB would take the bull by the balls, go forth and kick ass.  As it is the Republicans keep playing "Mister nice guy" to the Democrats "Fucked-in-the-head bitch" and the results are the same as in real life... the woman is still a fucked-in-the-head bitch playing her shit and the Nice Guy is fucked in the ass without even the courtesy of a reach around.
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 12:27:24 PM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Originally posted by PeakOil

.............It's going to cost the Republicans big time. I frankly will NOT vote for them again unless some SERIOUS attention is focused on this bullshit.

________________________________________________________________________________


So, voting for the liberal dems will get this handled ?  

Here's yer sign !  


".....Darwin....stupid people doing stupid things........



The point is that NETHER PARTY has the balls to stand up and do a Goddamned thing about this problem.

Vote Democrat = go to Hell on the express elevator.

Vote Republican = go to Hell on the regular elevator.

We're going to end up in the same place either way.  Which has the most chance of getting a critical mass of people pissed off and ready to kick ass, the frog in the slowly heating pot (Repubs) or the one in the pot with the burner set to "11" (Dems)?

That's where I'm with all this.  The Republicans have both houses and the Presidency and STILL they are dicking around with Democrats trying to... I frankly have no fucking idea what they're trying to do but whatever it is, it ain't fixing jack shit with what's wrong with this nation.

All of us that voted Republican THOUGHT that with a clear mandate GWB would take the bull by the balls, go forth and kick ass.  As it is the Republicans keep playing "Mister nice guy" to the Democrats "Fucked-in-the-head bitch" and the results are the same as in real life... the woman is still a fucked-in-the-head bitch playing her shit and the Nice Guy is fucked in the ass without even the courtesy of a reach around.



EXACT-A-MUNDO!!!!

We pay those f***k-ups in D.C. big bucks to pork us mercilessly, and then they are so damn arrogant they still expect us to kiss their assess.

Anybody giving odds it will ever change for the better?
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 4:06:01 PM EDT
[#37]
I got it!  I got it!!

This is just a part of the grand stradegy to get American citizens to patrol the border for FREE.  

Think of the savings the gov't will have when they no longer have to pay the border patrol!






I could be wrong.    
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 7:22:18 PM EDT
[#38]

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It's almost time to start shooting people.



No, it's not - And you're not helping matters any by suggesting otherwise.



Go jump in a lake you Felon lover boy!



Got a couple of news flashes for ya, Legal Idiot-Boy:

1. Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor, not a felony.
2. Even your average 2-toothed inbred Deliverance-reject knows that posting veiled homicide threats on the internet isn't exactly the brightest idea...



Everything I have seen seems to indicate that once someone is expelled.....
they ARE committing a FELONY just by crossing the border back into the US
You can't tell which ones are felons just by looking at them, some ARE felons



I thought shooting people based on appearance was illegal in Texas?  Just like dragging behind trucks?  Or are you willing to make exceptions in certain cases?
Link Posted: 5/14/2005 11:36:53 PM EDT
[#39]

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It's almost time to start shooting people.



No, it's not - And you're not helping matters any by suggesting otherwise.



Go jump in a lake you Felon lover boy!



Got a couple of news flashes for ya, Legal Idiot-Boy:

1. Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor, not a felony.
2. Even your average 2-toothed inbred Deliverance-reject knows that posting veiled homicide threats on the internet isn't exactly the brightest idea...



Everything I have seen seems to indicate that once someone is expelled.....
they ARE committing a FELONY just by crossing the border back into the US
You can't tell which ones are felons just by looking at them, some ARE felons



I thought shooting people based on appearance was illegal in Texas?  Just like dragging behind trucks?  Or are you willing to make exceptions in certain cases?



Just like dragging behind trucks? Wow, is the Hitler accusation coming next........WTF?
I was pointing out, for the guy calling someone else Idiot-boy, some illegals ARE felons
I said you can't tell which are which, so I cannot figure what rational point you are trying to make
We have a lot of guns in Texas, we also have a lot of Gun Laws in Texas
(we have a lot of people in prison in Texas because of the gun laws)

We put people in prison and then put them to death for doing what you are talking about
But, I guess you missed THAT part
By the way, do you still beat your dog\wife?
Link Posted: 5/15/2005 4:13:34 AM EDT
[#40]
It also doesn't help that the current and previous Mexican pres has publically stated that the whole southwest of the US is considered to be truly Mexican owned and should be taken back.

I believe that the Minutemen Pro. was a GREAT use of time and resources--nothing else is happening in our verbal/written attempts to DC.

Get-r-dun
Link Posted: 5/15/2005 6:23:51 AM EDT
[#41]
No linky to the story anymore on Fox or Drudge. Buried as predicted.

I think there is one party going to eat a lot of "WTF just happened?" the morning after the next election.

Fucking dickheads in Washington, D.C.
Link Posted: 5/15/2005 6:41:51 AM EDT
[#42]

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What a lot of you guys from the East and Midwest don't get is that dozens of small to mid sized cities in the border states are run my Mayors, City Council Members, Police Chiefs etc who are latino and loyal to the illegals. Very loyal. Frighteningly loyal.

The problem isn't just how do we stop them at the border, it's also how do we get these a-holes back out.



I hate use post #556 on this, but...there is a simple solution that completely bypasses them, AND the federal .gov.

If the governor of those states would call up the general militia, and charge them with protecting the border OF THE STATE, and prevent incursion from the south, authorizing force if necessary, tons of people would show up to take part.  They would have the protection of the state government's constitution, and the federal .gov and local .gov couldn't say "boo" about it, as it is the governor's constitutional right to do exactly this.  Problem solved.  

I wish I was governor of Arizona, or New Mexico, or California, or Texas.



I wish you were governor of AZ, I hate the fucking bull dyke we've got now.
Link Posted: 5/15/2005 7:59:39 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
No linky to the story anymore on Fox or Drudge. Buried as predicted.

I think there is one party going to eat a lot of "WTF just happened?" the morning after the next election.

Fucking dickheads in Washington, D.C.





Let's be careful about that.  It's a sad state of affairs that the Reps. won't stop the illegals but do we really want the Dems to make gains?  Afterall, the Dems really don't want to do anything about stopping illegals either.  That is their voter base.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 9:22:38 AM EDT
[#44]
*bump*
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 12:01:28 PM EDT
[#45]

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No linky to the story anymore on Fox or Drudge. Buried as predicted.

I think there is one party going to eat a lot of "WTF just happened?" the morning after the next election.

Fucking dickheads in Washington, D.C.



Looks that way, dosen't it?

Link Posted: 5/16/2005 5:16:11 PM EDT
[#46]

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No linky to the story anymore on Fox or Drudge. Buried as predicted.



Here is the link from Drudge
go to www.drudgereport.com
look for the search box that says "Drudge"
Type in Border patrol stand down

www.washtimes.com/national/20050513-122032-5055r.htm

Have not heard any updates though.......
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 5:45:36 PM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:
What a lot of you guys from the East and Midwest don't get is that dozens of small to mid sized cities in the border states are run my Mayors, City Council Members, Police Chiefs etc who are latino and loyal to the illegals. Very loyal. Frighteningly loyal.




True.  Much of the California legislature is loyal to Mexico first, California second, USA third.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 5:48:34 PM EDT
[#48]

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It also doesn't help that the current and previous Mexican pres has publically stated that the whole southwest of the US is considered to be truly Mexican owned and should be taken back.




that admission was a good thing.  its what makes illegal immigration terrorism.

Terrorism being Violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a religous, political, or ideological goal.

If the goal is Reconquista/Atzlan, then any violence, or even the implied threat of violence by them is terrorism.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 7:00:12 PM EDT
[#49]
It is old and it has not been fact checked, but if it is 50 percent correct it is a bigger problem than most of us understand:

COMING TO AMERICA
Mexicans: Southwest
U.S. is ours
Poll also shows Americans want military on border

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: June 13, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com


A healthy majority of Mexicans claim that their country rightfully owns much of the southwestern United States, while most Americans believe Washington should adopt stricter immigration standards and deploy U.S. troops along the border, a new poll says.

According to a just-published survey conducted by Zogby International, the polling firm found that a majority of Mexicans say the U.S. southwest "rightfully belongs to Mexico," and that Mexican citizens should be able to come into those areas freely, without U.S. permission.

The poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, "The territory of the United States' southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." Zogby said 28 percent disagreed, while another 14 percent said they weren't sure.

Meanwhile, a similar number – 57 percent – agreed that "Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without U.S. permission," while 35 percent disagreed and 7 percent were unsure.

"There is obviously a large and significant gap between the attitudes of Americans and Mexicans," said Robert Goldsborough, president of Americans for Immigration Control, which commissioned the poll.

"While most Americans want immigration reduced, most Mexicans think they don't even need permission to enter our country," he said. "The poll clearly shows there is less common ground for immigration negotiations between Mexico and the U.S. than the leaders think.

"Support for a porous border and a loose immigration policy occurs only on the Mexican side, not in the U.S.," said Goldsborough.

The poll found that 58 percent of the 1,015 Americans polled between May 28 and May 30 want the government to admit fewer immigrants each year, compared to 30 percent who want to keep immigration at current levels and just 6 percent who want to admit more.

Fully 65 percent of Americans, Zogby said, don't support granting amnesty to illegal immigrants currently in the U.S., as President Bush has advocated, compared to 26 percent who do support it.

Also, 68 percent said they agreed that U.S. troops should be temporarily deployed along the U.S. border "to help the U.S. Border Patrol curb illegal immigration." Twenty-eight percent disagreed, while 3 percent said they weren't sure.

Zogby polled 801 Mexican citizens for that part of the survey from May 25-26. The poll's margin of error was 3.5 percent.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., head of the House Immigration Caucus, told WorldNetDaily some of the results of the survey did not surprise him, but others did.

He said he was aware that most Americans oppose the administration's amnesty proposals, but did not know that a majority supported putting troops on U.S. borders.

"I would have never thought that fully 68 percent supported that idea," he said.

Tancredo said he had already planned a press conference for early next week to discuss a proposal to place American military forces on the borders.

The Colorado Republican said, "[Mexican] President Vincente Fox has stated that the borders of Mexico extend" beyond the country. "He has created a ministry for Mexicans living outside of Mexico that has provided goody bags for … people coming across the border."

Tancredo said he and other House members have overheard other Mexican officials say "there are not two countries, [the U.S.] is just a [Mexican] region."

"I have seldom seen such a discrepancy between what the public wants and what the Congress is willing to give," he said of the poll's results.

Tancredo said Democrats support massive "legal and illegal" immigration because "it supports the Democratic voting pool," while Republicans "support unlimited immigration because it supports the cheap labor pool."

"This problem is inextricably tied to our national security," he said in a tie-in with the Sept. 11 attacks.

Other immigration-control groups say the problem is getting worse.

According to a new report published yesterday by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, about one-quarter of all legal immigrants being "admitted" into the U.S. "are people who came here illegally and are adjusting their status."

The report, "The Truth Behind 245(i) Amnesty: How Illegal Immigrants are Taking Over Our Legal Immigration System," found that since 1994, "it is likely 1.4 million illegal aliens will have received what is in essence an amnesty by the end of this year."

The report contends those numbers will multiply under the Bush administration's amnesty proposal.

Section 245(i) was initially instituted as a "temporary" program in 1994, but Congress has extended the program several times. Bush, as well as some lawmakers, wants to make the provision a permanent part of U.S. immigration policy.
Link Posted: 5/16/2005 7:33:14 PM EDT
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I had a whole bunch of stuff to say but, Airwolf beat me to all of it.

I really have to echo his point that something is teribly, horribly screwed up with Bush's approach to all this. It just doesn't make any sense for him to be grovelling before the leader of a third world shit hole and taking the side of the latter against the people who gave him his job. I mean, how bright is it to be calling a block of your staunchest supporters "vigillantes" and vowing allegence to a foreign leader who openlly promotes violation of US laws?

I've heard the argument that his behavior is directed by "big business" and the latter's appetite for cheap labor. I'm afraid that I just can't see the logic in that. Big business, regulated as they are, just doesn't have the opportunity to use undocumented workers CONUS in any significant numbers. If they want low-cost foreign labor, they simply export the jobs to foreign facilities. The illegal US labor market appears, at least on the surface, to be a purely small-business issue.

So, what does that leave? I keep finding myself forced forced, much against my best intentions, back to the possibility that Fox may have something on W. How else does one explain this insanity?

There is of course the "Bush gene" theory a good friend of mine subscribes to. This theory claims that there is a malignant Bush gene that forces all males Bush's, right when they are riding a crest of victory, to commit some incomprehensibly stupid act which results in their most loyal voter base staying home in disgust on polling day. I'd really hoped that W had more of his  mother than his air-head dufus of a father in him. And for a while it sure looked that way. But alas...

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