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Demand has actually (finally) decreased from what I've heard. |
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How many folks did the M-S analyst let know in advance before his 'prediction'? |
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I'm sure some people made quite a bit of pocket change on this jump. |
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Yeah, the "speculation" is that $139 gas is going to be considered "cheap" pretty soon.
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Just the ones that bought a bunch of oil at the cheaper mid $120's price I'm sure |
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Yes, 60 miles off the coast of Florida with Cuba's help. |
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Just pumping the oil americans won't |
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Soros was talking it down a couple days ago, wanna bet he was betting behind the scenes against his public proclamations? Get the sheep to think the scare is gone, but a TON of calls, then leak the predictions it's going back up... |
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These cocksuckers did this same thing a week ago!!!!!
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Let's see... Let the price fall $10 a barrel...buy when it's cheap. Artificially inflate the market by "scaring" it with predictions of higher prices on "X" date, then sell all your oil you bought low while the price is high. Let the price fall by $10 a barrel...rinse and repeat. Seems like a pretty good way to make some $$$ But I'm sure nobody would do that...ever...not a chance. |
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I believe Soros has another motive. He keeps saying prices should be $60/barrel. He does this so he can claim that Bush and his "big oil" buddies are keeping the prices higher than they should be. While he probably is right, he is actually doing it to hurt the Republicans in the upcoming election. |
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Not in India and China.. |
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Let's hope cuba doesn't suddenly become de-castro'ised and start driving up demand for oil..
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Demand decreased slightly in the USA, but the increases in China and india more then made up for it.
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Was talking to a coworker the other day who drives a diesel truck. Drove from his house to the beach, hung out for a few hours and drove home. Fuel for the trip cost him $48.00
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Remember.. the Democrats control congress.. they will take a beating over gas prices and the economy.. Since they took control in 2006 all they've done is hold show trials over the fired prosecutors and baseball players using steroids.. |
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No they won't. Most people are too stupid to realize this. The Democrats will do a good job of convincing the American people that it is the Republican's fault. |
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Yeah this is starting to go nuts all because one person farts in the wind then Oil goes up. Did not use to do this.
I am all for market practices but this is really getting out of hand in my book but I do not know much. My Velero Stock did not do well today. |
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And thank god for that. They're fairly harmless when they're not trying to "fix" something important. |
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Don't forget they raised minimum wage. |
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Instead of buying gun stuff I should buy stocks they are going to be cheap here soon and I want to make money to pay for my gas.
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I hope Americans really aren't that stupid.. . but.. like you.. I read arfcom everyday.. and I realize that it might just be possible that they are that stupid.. |
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A few months ago, when gas was $3.25, I watched Bush in a press conference. A reporter asked: "With gas reported to be headed for $4.00 a gallon......." Bush looked visibly shocked.....like.. He interrupted, saying "Did you say $4.00 a gallon? Where did you here THAT?" Reporter replied: "On the front page of the New York Times." Bush went again and said "Orly, I hadn't heard that." Yes, it's scary that our POTUS is that naive and out of touch. We are so Fooked. |
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where is the gun rack? I had a conversation with the person next to me while getting gas and I said " I'm afraid we may someday look back to $4 a gal. as a good price" I've been seeing more bikes on my way to work. I have co workers spending 100 a week for fuel, and living in the northeast ,I'm not looking forward to oil prices this winter.
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I can't imagine the strain its going to put on the peoples budget who live in the northeast and heat with fuel oil. |
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We tried to tell you. But nooo, we're just being chicken little's. Simple fact is, some of us have been watching and studying this shit for YEARS. But you get those hard headed people who look at some issue for 5 minutes or read 1 little article4 and suddenly their a fucking expert on it. Yeah, some of us knew this shit was coming a long time ago. Wanna know what? You aint seen NOTHING yet. This, whats happening now?? This is like the trailers before the main show. But dont mind us crazy peak oil conspiracy idiots. We dun know nuthin, nope. Jess gotta drill a bit more ya no? theres being oil fer another century right under a few seals asses... EDIT I will add, this has gained speed far faster then I thought it would. It seems as if we didnt start to go up a hill in prices, but rather ran into a cliff. Interesting to watch. |
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It's called a self fulfilling prophecy. Who are the two largest US institutions investing in oil? |
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The only people I know it's hurting are ones that 1 don't own their vehicles and 2 lived outside of their means before.
Now they are f'd |
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Yup. When Starbucks goes out of business because no one is eating there, then I'll be worry. Until then, all of the whining sounds like: "Boohoo! The more I spend on fuel, the less I can spend on Starbucks, PS3, booze, smokes, guns, ammo, porterhouse, and Botox." As I've said, my IRA is loving these high oil prices. |
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Oh sweet mother of the gods, the market doesn't work that way. |
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Does $11 in two days sound like it was driven by a genuine increase in demand to you? It should be the text book definition of "bubble." |
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It went past strain a long time ago for the average person . |
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India has pulled back on their government subsidies of gasoline, so demand from India, and Malaysia and some other countries, should take a down-turn soon. China continues to subsidize gas. I wonder which will happen first, China realizes that a command economy doesn't work or the oil bubble bursts. I know which one China is betting on at this point. |
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Oil isn't only for fuel...
air conditioners ammonia anti-histamines antiseptics artificial turf asphalt aspirin balloons bandages boats bottles bras bubble gum butane cameras candles car batteries car bodies carpet cassette tapes caulking cds chewing gum combs/brushes computers contacts cortisone crayons cream denture adhesives deodorant detergents dice dishwashing liquid dresses dryers electric blankets electrician’s tape fertilizers fishing lures fishing rods floor wax footballs glues glycerin golf balls guitar strings hair hair coloring hair curlers hearing aids heart valves heating oil house paint ice chests ink insect repellent insulation jet fuel life jackets linoleum lip balm lipstick loudspeakers medicines mops motor oil motorcycle helmets movie film nail polish oil filters paddles paint brushes paints parachutes paraffin pens perfumes petroleum jelly plastic chairs plastic cups plastic forks plastic wrap plastics plywood adhesives refrigerators roller-skate wheels roofing paper rubber bands rubber boots rubber cement rubbish bags running shoes saccharine seals shirts (non-cotton) shoe polish shoes shower curtains solvents spectacles stereos sweaters table tennis balls tape recorders telephones tennis rackets thermos tights toilet seats toners toothpaste transparencies transparent tape tv cabinets typewriter/computer ribbons tires umbrellas upholstery vaporizers vitamin capsules volleyballs water pipes water skis wax wax paper |
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No doubt some of it is speculation but the fact that the dollar is so devalued and Europe signaling it's not going to lower rates simple can not be over looked. |
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If you look you will see that futures are trading almost $15 over the spot price. The market is truly unhinged with institutional money. |
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Oh, believe me those threads by Peak_Oil got my attention. I have been studying this for years as well. But I am not a "Gloom and Doomer" . I stay away from web sites like "The Oil Drum" that are gloom and doom echo chambers. I believe the current crisis is mostly a "Bubble". But it is a warning of the end of cheap, easy oil. The free market will work. Alternatives are being found. We will adjust. It will be very painful for some. No more McMansions and Hummers. 2 web sites to keep up with what's happening: www.greencarcongress.com/ www.ecogeek.org/ |
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We are raping ourselves. This situation was predictable long ago, but those who did make the predictions were laughed at. Was it that big of a leap to predict that India and china would have growing economies that would drive up the demand for oil? Did anyone really think that we had a bottomless well of oil? Our failure to have a viable energy policy for the last 20 years has landed us where we are. We could be a world leader in energy technology today, but instead we are the bitch of every oil producing country. While congress and the president spent the last 20 years either ignoring the problem or arguing about which half-ass solution we should pursue, the forces which have lead us to where we were steadily driving on. |
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how are the chinese and indians affording 4.50 a gallon of gas when many are earning .43 cents an hour? |
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Just wait till McCain or Obama start intervening with new government programs. |
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In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone?... the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered?... raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics. |
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Oil zooms nearly 9 percent higher to record $139
Fri Jun 6, 2008 4:25pm EDT Email | Print | Share| Reprints | Single Page| NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oil jumped nearly 9 percent to a record $139 a barrel on Friday, extending a two-day rally to more than $16 as the slumping U.S. dollar and mounting tensions between Israel and Iran attracted a stampede of buyers. Oil prices could top $150 by July 4, one of the busiest U.S. travel holidays, as strong demand in Asia triggers a slowdown in shipments of crude to the United States, investment bank Morgan Stanley said. "We are calling for a short-term spike in oil prices," the bank said in a research note. U.S. crude settled up $10.75 at $138.54 a barrel before touching an all-time high of $139.12 in its biggest gain in dollar terms on record, adding to a rise of $5.49 on Thursday. London Brent crude settled $10.15 higher at $137.69, off the record $138.12 hit earlier. "It's eye-popping. It's absolutely stunning," said Chris Feltin, analyst at Tristone CapitaL Inc in Calgary. Oil has risen 44 percent this year, threatening economic growth in major consumer countries including the United States, whose economy already is hobbled by a housing crisis. Analysts have said the dramatic rally in oil prices is due to rising demand in China and other developing economies as well as an influx of cash from investors seeking a hedge against the weaker dollar and inflation. The greenback extended weakness against other currencies Friday on data showing the U.S. economy lost jobs for the fifth straight month and the unemployment rate shot up to its highest in more than three years. The drop in the dollar added to losses from Thursday when European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet said a number of policymakers wanted higher interest rates, possibly as soon as next month. "Obviously there's a lot of concern on the economic impacts of a weakening U.S. dollar. That seems to be driving some of the momentum here today," said Feltin. Further support came from remarks by Israel's transport minister that an attack on Iran's nuclear sites looked "unavoidable." It was the most explicit threat yet against Tehran from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's government. Worries of a potential disruption of the OPEC member's crude supply have helped support prices over the past year. "We've had a huge historic rally on little fundamental input, other than the weakness of the dollar and the news this morning out of Israel that seems to have pushed some geopolitical risk premium back in the market," said Jim Ritterbusch, president of Ritterbusch & Associates in Galena, Illinois. BULLISH BANKS Morgan Stanley forecast the diversion of Middle East oil shipments away from the United States to Asian markets could push U.S. crude to $150 a barrel by the U.S. July 4th holiday. "Middle East oil exports are stable, but Asia is taking an unprecedented share," Morgan Stanley said in a report, adding U.S. inventories have dropped by 35 million barrels since March. "Robust Asian non-OECD demand growth, coupled with a stagnant global oil supply backdrop, appears to be pricing out Atlantic basin consumers while at the same time driving Atlantic inventories to critically low levels." The report added to a string of upward price forecast revisions by analysts, with Goldman Sachs in May predicting prices could tip $200 a barrel within the next two years. A six-year rally in oil has sent prices up six-fold as demand from emerging economies such as China and India strain supplies. High prices have started to eat away at global growth however, with some consumers such as the United States and the United Kingdom showing signs of lowering consumption. Some Asian governments -- including India -- have decided to cut fuel subsidies, stirring concern rising prices could cut further into demand. The International Energy Agency (IEA), an adviser to 27 industrialized countries, said it may cut its 2008 demand growth projection further after having already more than halved it to 1.03 million barrels per day (bpd). http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUSREE06478120080606?sp=true |
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I would like to see the US become as imperialistic as the left thinks we are so we could just go and take all the oil we want without paying for it.........
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Lieberman / Warner ........ |
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A-fucking-Men Supply/demand/Peak Oil my ass |
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I highly doubt 11,000,000 Chinese and Indians just got new V8 SUV's during the day to cause the $11 spike in prices...it's not demand that's causing this rise...it is PURE speculative trading..oil should be taken OFF the futures/commodity market PERIOD. |
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