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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:13:39 PM EDT
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I would say Nimitz.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:19:05 PM EDT
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Admiral Leahy.
Just kidding. There's a reason you never heard of him. I'm almost embarrassed to be related to the guy. 
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:22:11 PM EDT
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Nimitz with Spruance a close second. Until the marines and sailors were able to neutralize Japanese carrier based airpower AND capture islands forward enough to allow Army Air Force bombers to make round trips to Tokyo and back LeMay was a nobody in my book. By the time these two conditions were met the writing was on the wall for the Japanese - AAF was just extra icing on the cake hastening the surrender. MacArthur was a show boater in my book. Other then wading ashore at the Phillipines and retaking that island he was a non-entity. I personally call him the De Gaulle of the Pacific. My dad served form late 42 till late 45 in the Pacific. He hated MacArthur, the 'walking a shore was 3 days after the invasion by then the beach was well secured. I understand Generals don't lead a charge into battle, but the optics suck, just like NObama. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:23:27 PM EDT
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LtCol Earl Hancock Ellis, USMC, back in 1921 when he authored Operations Plan 712: Advanced Base Operations in Micronesia, which first outlined an "island hopping" campaign, and he was one of the early proponents of amphibious warfare. He died in 1923, unfortunately, while conducting covert reconnaissance in the Pacific.
I always believed that W.E.B. Griffin's Col Banning in "The Corps" was based on Ellis. Not everyone who makes it possible to win a war is of flag rank. 
Of those listed, I would have said Nimitz, except he was going to abandon the Philippines. There is still a little animosity towards that decision. At least in MY family. ETA: My great uncle was with the 4th Marines on Corregidor. He survived the siege, the Bataan Death March, internment at Camp O'Donnell, and a Hell Ship, only to die of beri-beri (acute malnutrition) in Manchukuo as slave labor mining coal. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:24:36 PM EDT
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Albert Einstein. He won the pacific and saved more lives than any man in history. Without his work we'd have no atomic bomb. Without the atomic bomb we'd have had far more casualties on both sides.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:26:13 PM EDT
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This. We just got back from the National Museum of the Pacific War in Fredericksburg, TX. I highly recommend it for any history buff. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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VADM Charles Lockwood, COMSUBPAC. The US submarines are what really broke the back of Imperial Japan. This. We just got back from the National Museum of the Pacific War in Fredericksburg, TX. I highly recommend it for any history buff. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What wine did you drink? Any William and Chris, or Hilmey? How about Tore de Pietria or Grape Creek? |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:27:17 PM EDT
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Albert Einstein. He won the pacific and saved more lives than any man in history. Without his work we'd have no atomic bomb. Without the atomic bomb we'd have had far more casualties on both sides. Einstein or Fermi? |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:33:17 PM EDT
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VADM Charles Lockwood, COMSUBPAC. The US submarines are what really broke the back of Imperial Japan. ^This...Charlie Lockwood and the crews of every sub in PACFLT. With help from AIRPAC, a bunch of ballsy destroyer men, and a shit pot full of steely - eyed Marines! |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:47:59 PM EDT
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MacArthur. The only person in command who understood the entire Allied Pacific strategy and the psychology of the Japanese. Not discounting the others' contributions, but MacArthur understood and planned for how it would end. If he hadn't been reigned in, fewer Americans would have died in the march back up to the Philippines (IMHO, of course).
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:50:51 PM EDT
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Lockwood, and his submarines. <as posted above>
And thanks to the contributions from the likes of my Dad; Torpedoman Chief James Knox Polk Wilson, USN. Ray |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:54:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we're going to consider the Chiefs, it was Admiral King, not General Marshall, who kept the focus, and the resources, on the Pacific Theater, especially early in the war when the priority of the U. S. and British governments was Europe. The campaign against the Japanese was a Navy war. The Army and the Army Air Force were secondary players. As for the atomic bomb and those behind it, the U. S. would have defeated Japan without the bomb. The costs would have been higher, but between Operation Olympic and the naval blockade, we would have starved and killed them into submission. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 1. Nimitz. 2. MacArthur 3. LeMay Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The real answer to who deserves the lion's share is, IMO, George Marshall. If we're going to consider the Chiefs, it was Admiral King, not General Marshall, who kept the focus, and the resources, on the Pacific Theater, especially early in the war when the priority of the U. S. and British governments was Europe. The campaign against the Japanese was a Navy war. The Army and the Army Air Force were secondary players. As for the atomic bomb and those behind it, the U. S. would have defeated Japan without the bomb. The costs would have been higher, but between Operation Olympic and the naval blockade, we would have starved and killed them into submission. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 7:56:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 'Twas a team effort, so none deserves the lion's share, but IMO, the weakest member of that team was MacArthur. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1. Nimitz. 2. MacArthur 3. LeMay Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The real answer to who deserves the lion's share is, IMO, George Marshall. Fuck Marshall. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:00:38 PM EDT
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Nimitz and Spruance for the Battle of Midway victory - turning point in the war in the Pacific. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:01:16 PM EDT
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LtCol Earl Hancock Ellis, USMC, back in 1921 when he authored Operations Plan 712: Advanced Base Operations in Micronesia, which first outlined an "island hopping" campaign, and he was one of the early proponents of amphibious warfare. He died in 1923, unfortunately, while conducting covert reconnaissance in the Pacific. I always believed that W.E.B. Griffin's Col Banning in "The Corps" was based on Ellis. Not everyone who makes it possible to win a war is of flag rank.
Of those listed, I would have said Nimitz, except he was going to abandon the Philippines. There is still a little animosity towards that decision. At least in MY family. ETA: My great uncle was with the 4th Marines on Corregidor. He survived the siege, the Bataan Death March, internment at Camp O'Donnell, and a Hell Ship, only to die of beri-beri (acute malnutrition) in Manchukuo as slave labor mining coal. From what I`ve read Nimitz didn`t have strong feelings either way about the Philipines. Admiral King was against the Phillipines option, partly because of MacArthur and Marshal, but he also felt Formosa (Taiwan) was superior strategic option. Admiral Halsey`s strike campaign against Formosa, the Phillipines, and northern Viet Nam is ultimately what sealed the deal as far as liberating the Philipines went. Halsey`s strikes revealed that Formosa was heavily defended, and could easily be reinforced from Japanese occupied China, and its` terrain heavily favored defense. This is where the USN lost the USS Princeton, our last carrier to be lost in action. In Halsey`s own report he stated the central phillipines defenses were , " a hollow shell." Add to that the fact we had excellent intelligence from the resistance movement in the Philipines, and the US had better maps and charts of the islands than Formosa made it a no brainer. With that in mind, Nimitz really didn`t strenuously oppose the liberation of the philipines when he and MacArthur met with Roosevelt at Pearl Harbor for a military summit. Without Nimitz and the Pacific Fleet, MacArthur`s dream to liberate the Philipines was just a pipe dream. Another point to be considered, the relief of the philipines was one of the significant milestones in War Plan Orange, which Nimitz executed in nearly perfect fashion with a few variations through the central pacific island hopping drive. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:06:52 PM EDT
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1. Nimitz. 2. MacArthur 3. LeMay Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I'm sure this has already been posted. It was a team effort by all citizens of the United States and our allies. They were the leaders of course, but boots on the ground, all their supplies, their support, their reason for fighting, was all of us as a team. From the ammunition loaders at the factories, to Rosie the riveter, to selling of war bonds. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My dad served form late 42 till late 45 in the Pacific. He hated MacArthur, the 'walking a shore was 3 days after the invasion by then the beach was well secured. I understand Generals don't lead a charge into battle, but the optics suck, just like NObama. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nimitz with Spruance a close second. Until the marines and sailors were able to neutralize Japanese carrier based airpower AND capture islands forward enough to allow Army Air Force bombers to make round trips to Tokyo and back LeMay was a nobody in my book. By the time these two conditions were met the writing was on the wall for the Japanese - AAF was just extra icing on the cake hastening the surrender. MacArthur was a show boater in my book. Other then wading ashore at the Phillipines and retaking that island he was a non-entity. I personally call him the De Gaulle of the Pacific. My dad served form late 42 till late 45 in the Pacific. He hated MacArthur, the 'walking a shore was 3 days after the invasion by then the beach was well secured. I understand Generals don't lead a charge into battle, but the optics suck, just like NObama. Not sure about other landings, but MacArthur did indeed wade ashore on Leyte beach October 20, 1944, the day of the invasion. ETA: He also landed on Luzon the same day as his troops: |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:13:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure this has already been posted. It was a team effort by all citizens of the United States and our allies. They were the leaders of course, but boots on the ground, all their supplies, their support, their reason for fighting, was all of us as a team. From the ammunition loaders at the factories, to Rosie the riveter, to selling of war bonds. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1. Nimitz. 2. MacArthur 3. LeMay Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I'm sure this has already been posted. It was a team effort by all citizens of the United States and our allies. They were the leaders of course, but boots on the ground, all their supplies, their support, their reason for fighting, was all of us as a team. From the ammunition loaders at the factories, to Rosie the riveter, to selling of war bonds. Meh. Everybody gets a trophy is boring conversation fodder. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:14:15 PM EDT
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MacArthur. The only person in command who understood the entire Allied Pacific strategy and the psychology of the Japanese. Not discounting the others' contributions, but MacArthur understood and planned for how it would end. If he hadn't been reigned in, fewer Americans would have died in the march back up to the Philippines (IMHO, of course). I'd like to see the brief outline of that idea before I vehemently disagree. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:19:25 PM EDT
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Nimitz with Spruance a close second. Until the marines and sailors were able to neutralize Japanese carrier based airpower AND capture islands forward enough to allow Army Air Force bombers to make round trips to Tokyo and back LeMay was a nobody in my book. By the time these two conditions were met the writing was on the wall for the Japanese - AAF was just extra icing on the cake hastening the surrender. MacArthur was a show boater in my book. Other then wading ashore at the Phillipines and retaking that island he was a non-entity. I personally call him the De Gaulle of the Pacific. You obviously don't know jack about LeMay and his time & leadership of the 8th Air Force in the Bad Times of unsupported daylight bombardment. Great Big Brass Balls! I'm not sure how his plane made it off the ground with that much "extra" onboard . Nimitz & the Navy / Marines made the Air Force a factor in the ultimate defeat of Japan because without the Navy, from Coral Sea on, the Air Force would not have bases in range of Japan... |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:40:46 PM EDT
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Lemay for burning down their huts....
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:46:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lemay for burning down their huts.... I laughed imagining a Talking Heads "burning down the huts" version. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:49:50 PM EDT
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My fellow Texan Nimitz did the most to beat Japan
But this guy did a heck of a job mopping up. 
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:53:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:55:20 PM EDT
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1. Nimitz. 2. MacArthur 3. LeMay Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile FPNI.....Battle of Midway and Laytee Gulf plus island hoping by the Matines. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:57:12 PM EDT
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MacArthur probably extended the war by 3 to 6 months.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 8:59:54 PM EDT
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Albert Einstein. He won the pacific and saved more lives than any man in history. Without his work we'd have no atomic bomb. Without the atomic bomb we'd have had far more casualties on both sides. Einstein or Fermi? Lawrence and Urey. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 9:04:05 PM EDT
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USMC
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Posted: 1/15/2015 9:04:37 PM EDT
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Nimitz and Spruance for the Battle of Midway victory - turning point in the war in the Pacific. |
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Posted: 1/15/2015 9:32:03 PM EDT
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Grumman.
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Posted: 1/15/2015 11:45:23 PM EDT
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If we're passing out honorable mentions then I'm nominating Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab for the invention of the VT Fuse. The fuse used in AA guns which greatly increased their ability to bring down enemy planes (esp Kamikazes) thus keeping more of the Navy afloat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have to go with Nimitz, the other two would not have gotten around without him.............Would have to give an honorable mention to Boeing, Richmond Shipyards and Donald Roebling If we're passing out honorable mentions then I'm nominating Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab for the invention of the VT Fuse. The fuse used in AA guns which greatly increased their ability to bring down enemy planes (esp Kamikazes) thus keeping more of the Navy afloat. How about the code breakers? Those guys never get the recognition they deserve. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:00:45 AM EDT
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How about the code breakers? Those guys never get the recognition they deserve. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have to go with Nimitz, the other two would not have gotten around without him.............Would have to give an honorable mention to Boeing, Richmond Shipyards and Donald Roebling If we're passing out honorable mentions then I'm nominating Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab for the invention of the VT Fuse. The fuse used in AA guns which greatly increased their ability to bring down enemy planes (esp Kamikazes) thus keeping more of the Navy afloat. How about the code breakers? Those guys never get the recognition they deserve. all of it came together to defeat the Imperial Navy, but, it all would have been for naught with out our Navy. Our Navy at that time had Chester Nimitz at the helm. Hell, had it not been for our Navy, MacArthur would have been captured by the Japanese at Corregidor. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:31:16 AM EDT
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I'd like to see the brief outline of that idea before I vehemently disagree. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MacArthur. The only person in command who understood the entire Allied Pacific strategy and the psychology of the Japanese. Not discounting the others' contributions, but MacArthur understood and planned for how it would end. If he hadn't been reigned in, fewer Americans would have died in the march back up to the Philippines (IMHO, of course). I'd like to see the brief outline of that idea before I vehemently disagree. American Caesar by William Manchester. Not short by any means, but of the three books I read on MacArthur, his was the only one that conducted original research which incorporated the original notes and memoirs of the other leaders noted here, and senior Japanese military. I thought his work was by far the most convincing. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:33:36 AM EDT
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Island hopping made the pacific small.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:34:20 AM EDT
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Nimitz for certain.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:38:10 AM EDT
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Island hopping made the pacific small. or manageable at the very least. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:38:14 AM EDT
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Meh. it is nit a coincident the reds war against japan 3 days after Nagassaki the bomb ended the war the russian entry was a non event. Soviet entry was more a determining factor in timing of surrender than the a bomb, IMO. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1. Nimitz. 2. MacArthur 3. LeMay Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile OP poll fail no gen Groves He's the one that did it. Meh. it is nit a coincident the reds war against japan 3 days after Nagassaki the bomb ended the war the russian entry was a non event. Soviet entry was more a determining factor in timing of surrender than the a bomb, IMO. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile it is nit a coincident the reds war against japan 3 days after Nagasaki the bomb ended the war the russian entry was a non event. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:41:05 AM EDT
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LtCol Earl Hancock Ellis, USMC, back in 1921 when he authored Operations Plan 712: Advanced Base Operations in Micronesia, which first outlined an "island hopping" campaign, and he was one of the early proponents of amphibious warfare. He died in 1923, unfortunately, while conducting covert reconnaissance in the Pacific. l. I didn't know this thanks |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 10:48:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 1. Nimitz. 2. MacArthur 3. LeMay Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile OP poll fail no gen Groves He's the one that did it. Meh. it is nit a coincident the reds war against japan 3 days after Nagassaki the bomb ended the war the russian entry was a non event. Soviet entry was more a determining factor in timing of surrender than the a bomb, IMO. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You're quote tree is all jacked up, but I took this to be your point. A non-event? Really? I would entertain as a serious point an opinion that it was not the decisive event, but a non-event? You are misinformed. |
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