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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:27:02 AM EDT
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9x25. I love that round.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:28:39 AM EDT
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Does anyone sell a purpose built 460 Rowland compensator separately? I want a gun to shoot 460 roland, but if I go that route I'll probably reload and don't want to have a longer chamber.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:39:07 AM EDT
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I've decided 460 Rowland makes the most sense.
Therefore, in the spirit of America ("Sir, that's completely unnecessary.") I'm going to get the Dillon. 
I love heavy bullets a lot, but 2000fps in a handgun is laughably awesome. I'll grab the Rowland later this year. Who makes the best barrel for a G20? |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:39:45 AM EDT
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I've decided 460 Rowland makes the most sense. Therefore, in the spirit of America ("Sir, that's completely unnecessary.") I'm going to get the Dillon. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:41:49 AM EDT
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45 super is the easiest, because all you really need is a well-made 1911 and some springs.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:42:37 AM EDT
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I have bookended the spectrum. .22TCM for the 2400fps and fireball, and .460 Rowland for the power/recoil. Makes my 10mms boring.
I think I need a 9mm Dillon now. Thank You. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:44:51 AM EDT
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I have bookended the spectrum. .22TCM for the 2400fps and fireball, and .460 Rowland for the power/recoil. Makes my 10mms boring. I think I need a 9mm Dillon now. Thank You. I hate Glocks but a G20 might be in my future because 1. 10mm and 2. 9mm Dillon :) |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:45:24 AM EDT
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I have bookended the spectrum. .22TCM for the 2400fps and fireball, and .460 Rowland for the power/recoil. Makes my 10mms boring. I think I need a 9mm Dillon now. Thank You. Given any thought on which barrel for the Dillon, company wise? |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:49:09 AM EDT
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I went 45 super.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:49:45 AM EDT
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Trade it towards a big bore revolver. Get a .454 SRH.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 11:52:10 AM EDT
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.460 Rowland for a blasting range toy.
.400 Corbon for something that can be actually used. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 12:23:20 PM EDT
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If I had a G21 I would do a .460.
When I was screwing around with it in an M&P I could push a 230 grain XTP 1300 fps. That's like bargain American Eagle type .44 mag. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 12:36:18 PM EDT
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Hmm. Only conversion barrelI can find is Lone Wolf and it's ported. I don't want a ported barrel.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:09:26 PM EDT
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When I was initially looking to build one, I was told that there aren't any projectiles that will expand well with the velocities of the round. Is that correct? All bullets for a 9x19 and .38 Super are available for use in the 9x23. I have both factory loads. "Winchester offers two factory 9×23 loads, a 124-grain SP bullet at 1460 fps, and a 125-grain Silver Tip HP at 1450 fps." My carry load in the Silver Tip. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:14:03 PM EDT
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Hmm. Only conversion barrelI can find is Lone Wolf and it's ported. I don't want a ported barrel. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:18:07 PM EDT
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.224 BOZ
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Posted: 6/1/2017 1:35:29 PM EDT
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A guy I work with has a 6-inch, standard Lone Wolf barrel for his Gen 4 G20. I'll ask where he picked it up. As for the gun, itself, it is very manageable. Also, it is not at all concussive, as some others worry. In fact, I was able to shoot legitimate doubles with it, and keep them all on an index card at 10 yards. I didn't have a timer, so I'm not sure what my splits were, but they were probably half-second. The blast would obviously be a little more obnoxious with a comp, but I don't really think it is needed. I found (what I think is) your co-worker's barrel on midway and sadly it's discontinued. Oddly enough I'm finding many more G29 barrels than G20 bbls |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 3:08:17 PM EDT
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If anything, I'd be worried about over expansion. All bullets for a 9x19 and .38 Super are available for use in the 9x23. I have both factory loads. "Winchester offers two factory 9×23 loads, a 124-grain SP bullet at 1460 fps, and a 125-grain Silver Tip HP at 1450 fps." My carry load in the Silver Tip. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 4:29:35 PM EDT
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If anything, I'd be worried about over expansion. All bullets for a 9x19 and .38 Super are available for use in the 9x23. I have both factory loads. "Winchester offers two factory 9×23 loads, a 124-grain SP bullet at 1460 fps, and a 125-grain Silver Tip HP at 1450 fps." My carry load in the Silver Tip. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I was initially looking to build one, I was told that there aren't any projectiles that will expand well with the velocities of the round. Is that correct? All bullets for a 9x19 and .38 Super are available for use in the 9x23. I have both factory loads. "Winchester offers two factory 9×23 loads, a 124-grain SP bullet at 1460 fps, and a 125-grain Silver Tip HP at 1450 fps." My carry load in the Silver Tip. It is boat tailed, and will fit in the Winchester brass without any bulges. I found a load that hits `1340 FPS, and is accurate. Expansion has been decent and penetration has been decent. Of course, it is a balance, but the XTP bullet holds together well even at those velocities. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 4:39:17 PM EDT
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9x23mm Winchester literally began life as a sawed-off 556 case and was designed to operate at 55,000 PSI peak chamber pressure. It also solved the problem of trying to load the ancient, 1920s-era "38 Super" to the old IPSC power factor for "major" (the old power factor meant a 124 grain bullet needed to go faster than 1,411 FPS out of a custom, wide body 1911 or 2011). The "super" sometimes blew up cases, coining the term "super face" (ie lots of pock marks from exploding cases). 9x23 has ample case strength for the job. The 9x25 Dillon did the same thing with the benefit (??) of more gas to "work the compensator" while producing huge fireballs and lots of excessive noise. You can buy factory 9x23mm. Not so much with the Dillon (though there might be one or two boutique loaders). 
http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/-38-super-auto.html http://www.shootingtimes.com/reloading/super-powders-for-the-38-super/ Admittedly you do have to handload it; I don't think you can get near that from most factory loads...I know Georgia Arms sells a nice 124gr load that tickles 1400, but I don't know of another manufacturer that does that, save the usual Cor-Bon and DoubleTap suspects... |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 4:43:46 PM EDT
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IMHO a 9x25 would be way more interesting if you reload. Not because of cost but the options reloading would give you.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 4:45:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/1/2017 6:24:49 PM EDT
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.45 Super is intriguing. Tons of power, minimal modification to your pistol, reloading kit fairly readily available. I think 9x25 is a cool concept but I assume it's concussion would be a genuine distraction. Can't say I know tons about 460. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 6:29:08 PM EDT
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460rowland.com okay or do others do it better? Aside from ammo cost, this isn't exactly a big project. I might end up doing a conversion on my G21 and a barrel for my G20 and getting both. (460 + Dillon ) Rear slide weight seems unnecessary on a G21, right? I'd think that's for smaller frames. The 460Rowland.com guys make them for everything. (Including subcompact 45ACP's Like the G30/G36, and the XD45 Sub) Testing by Clark Customs showed that the glock had issues after a while (feed lips on mags were getting torn up badly) They did say the XD 45 having metal mags did better, and that if I really wanted a double stack 460, to build one off of a XD45 XD45 TAC, or XDM45, and to also avoid the compacts. You have to add weights to the slide to slow it down and it becomes cumbersome. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:08:34 PM EDT
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TCM is very much on my radar. Awesome cartridge. Given any thought on which barrel for the Dillon, company wise? I'm just not a Glock guy. I do have a few Witness pistols, and one in 10mm. Imagine a 6" Witness Hunter with a 9x25 barrel..... |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:17:43 PM EDT
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I should clarify that mine are on 1911 platforms. I'm just not a Glock guy. I do have a few Witness pistols, and one in 10mm. Imagine a 6" Witness Hunter with a 9x25 barrel..... I just want a damn non ported barrel in 9x25 right now and can't find the damn thing! I guess boo hoo and I'll get a Rowland, but I wanted a $80-$100 barrel to shoot 2000fps. I'm a simple man. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:20:00 PM EDT
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Super fast 10mm has always interested me. It'd probably be loud as shit and ridiculous...but I kind of want that. 
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:23:59 PM EDT
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I've decided 460 Rowland makes the most sense. Therefore, in the spirit of America ("Sir, that's completely unnecessary.") I'm going to get the Dillon.
I love heavy bullets a lot, but 2000fps in a handgun is laughably awesome. I'll grab the Rowland later this year. Who makes the best barrel for a G20? |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:27:05 PM EDT
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.224 BOZ |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:30:03 PM EDT
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TCM will be a 1911 for sure. I just want a damn non ported barrel in 9x25 right now and can't find the damn thing! I guess boo hoo and I'll get a Rowland, but I wanted a $80-$100 barrel to shoot 2000fps. I'm a simple man. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:35:21 PM EDT
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TCM will be a 1911 for sure. I just want a non ported barrel in 9x25 right now and can't find the damn thing! They were willing to do so for me on a .357 Sig conversion barrel a couple of years ago and may still do it for you. Worth the phone call to find out. Disclosure on .400 Corbon bias: Previously had a 1911 with a .400 Corbon barrel and will get another barrel for the Kimber I just snagged. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:39:29 PM EDT
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BarSto Match Target hand fit. Be prepared to wait, but it's worth it.Enter your zip code here |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:39:52 PM EDT
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Buy ported barell and chuck in the lathe and cut off the ported section? this is easy work.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:40:01 PM EDT
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Lonewolf Dist and Dillon.com were the places to get these. I would call lonewolf and ask them whats up. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:42:01 PM EDT
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Call Lone Wolf and ask them to pull a barrel off of the line to not have it ported. They were willing to do so for me on a .357 Sig conversion barrel a couple of years ago and may still do it for you. Worth the phone call to find out. Disclosure on .400 Corbon bias: Previously had a 1911 with a .400 Corbon barrel and will get another barrel for the Kimber I just snagged. Funny to think that in the age of the internet, I honestly didn't think of that. Not kidding. I'm a 33 year old man who didn't think of calling them and just frustratingly searched the internet. Amazon culture has rewired me, I guess. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:43:01 PM EDT
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Buy ported barell and chuck in the lathe and cut off the ported section? this is easy work. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:43:06 PM EDT
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Still not working. Checked their website, nothing.
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Posted: 6/1/2017 7:58:31 PM EDT
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Not for a suburbanite condo dweller with no lathe. Machine shop and a $20 bill or a 12pack of good beer and it would be done in 10 minutes. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 8:00:48 PM EDT
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Does anyone sell a purpose built 460 Rowland compensator separately? I want a gun to shoot 460 roland, but if I go that route I'll probably reload and don't want to have a longer chamber. The brass is different at the case web for the much higher pressure. also it ensures that you don't accidently chamber it in another gun not designed for it. Please do not consider doing what you are thinking. Swapping out barrels takes only seconds. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 8:12:48 PM EDT
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Around here; Machine shop and a $20 bill or a 12pack of good beer and it would be done in 10 minutes. Edit: I need to shoot 2000fps bullets from a pistol. It has to happen. Sure as the sun comes up, I need to shoot 90-95grs at 2,000fps America demands it. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 8:20:01 PM EDT
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Thanks to this thread, I discovered the .960 Rowland. I must have been asleep the last few years.
Not that I want one, I already have a 9x23 Winchester. But, for some one who always tried to be on the cutting edge, I fell drastically short. OH! If you want a cheap, but still relatively powerful wildcat, you can try the 9mm Grendelbane. It is 357 SIG brass loaded to 1.260", to fit in 10mm magazines. Makes my Delta Elite a screamer. Want to quadruple the energy of the .45 ACP? It will shoot 115 grain 9mm bullets at twice, (more than twice actually), the velocity of the 230 grain .45 load. Not sure what it is actually good for, but shooting it usually makes most people smile. 
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Posted: 6/1/2017 8:31:41 PM EDT
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I need to shoot 2000fps bullets from a pistol. It has to happen. Sure as the sun comes up, I need to shoot 90-95grs at 2,000fps The lightest bullets I tried were 115 grains. The 90 grain bullets would give you a bit more space in the boiler room for powder. Not quite a 9x25, but close. I did hit 1900 FPS with a now unavailable 90 grain JSP in a 6" .357 magnum once. But that was in the 1980s. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 8:32:22 PM EDT
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Thanks to this thread, I discovered the .960 Rowland. I must have been asleep the last few years. Not that I want one, I already have a 9x23 Winchester. But, for some one who always tried to be on the cutting edge, I fell drastically short. OH! If you want a cheap, but still relatively powerful wildcat, you can try the 9mm Grendelbane. It is 357 SIG brass loaded to 1.260", to fit in 10mm magazines. Makes my Delta Elite a screamer. Want to quadruple the energy of the .45 ACP? It will shoot 115 grain 9mm bullets at twice, (more than twice actually), the velocity of the 230 grain .45 load. Not sure what it is actually good for, but shooting it usually makes most people smile. Google yields nothing other than your user name. Tell me more. It's not for this purchase, but I'm definitely interested. |
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Posted: 6/1/2017 8:49:12 PM EDT
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Not the inventor, a few years ago several of us were playing around with the concept. I had a Delta Elite, so did another guy, and 3 had Glock 20s. We were all experimenting in this area and sharing results on the internet.
I bought an Ed Brown 357 SIG barrel. Even with .40 S&W mags it was not the most reliable thing around. So, I started loading 357 SIG brass to fill the 10 mm magazine. It worked out pretty well, sort of a cheap, slightly less powerful brother to the 9x25. I got 115 grain bullets over 1700 FPS before I got nervous. 147 to 1400 FPS, but that one was a bit too much, 1350 I was much more comfortable with. For some reason, I never loaded any 124/125 grain bullets, though I always intended to. After a while, interest dwindled. My shooting time decreased, and I haven't done much with it lately. Not sure it is good for anything, but it is reasonably cheap to play with and I did have a lot of fun with it. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 8:57:22 PM EDT
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I just spoke to my coworker. He, too, suggested giving Lone Wolf a call, and seeing if they will sell you an unported barrel. He doesn't know if they will still do it, but it wasn't a problem when he ordered his.
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Posted: 6/3/2017 9:00:19 PM EDT
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Awesome, thanks.
I got caught up with work Friday. I'll give them a buzz Monday. Good man. |
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Posted: 6/3/2017 9:20:28 PM EDT
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Psst, you can get 1400+ safely now out of 38 Super
http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/-38-super-auto.html http://www.shootingtimes.com/reloading/super-powders-for-the-38-super/ Admittedly you do have to handload it; I don't think you can get near that from most factory loads...I know Georgia Arms sells a nice 124gr load that tickles 1400, but I don't know of another manufacturer that does that, save the usual Cor-Bon and DoubleTap suspects... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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9x23mm Winchester literally began life as a sawed-off 556 case and was designed to operate at 55,000 PSI peak chamber pressure. It also solved the problem of trying to load the ancient, 1920s-era "38 Super" to the old IPSC power factor for "major" (the old power factor meant a 124 grain bullet needed to go faster than 1,411 FPS out of a custom, wide body 1911 or 2011). The "super" sometimes blew up cases, coining the term "super face" (ie lots of pock marks from exploding cases). 9x23 has ample case strength for the job. The 9x25 Dillon did the same thing with the benefit (??) of more gas to "work the compensator" while producing huge fireballs and lots of excessive noise. You can buy factory 9x23mm. Not so much with the Dillon (though there might be one or two boutique loaders).
http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/-38-super-auto.html http://www.shootingtimes.com/reloading/super-powders-for-the-38-super/ Admittedly you do have to handload it; I don't think you can get near that from most factory loads...I know Georgia Arms sells a nice 124gr load that tickles 1400, but I don't know of another manufacturer that does that, save the usual Cor-Bon and DoubleTap suspects... Shh, don't tell anybody but I also shoot .38 Super & .38 Super Comp out of the same barrel. 
Have also shot .38 Auto and 9x21 out of it.
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Posted: 6/3/2017 9:21:48 PM EDT
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Yep. Shh, don't tell anybody but I also shoot .38 Super & .38 Super Comp out of the same barrel.
Have also shot .38 Auto and 9x21 out of it. But it's not 2,000fps
This is so fucking happening. |
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Posted: 6/5/2017 6:55:56 PM EDT
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Here's an update for you guys.
Lone Wolf only sells the ported model for the G20 at this time, but they will cut off the porting to standard length for $24.99 Thought others might be interested. I'm going to do that. Off to shop for DT/Underwood ammo! I'm stoked. |
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Posted: 6/5/2017 7:11:10 PM EDT
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Here's an update for you guys. Lone Wolf only sells the ported model for the G20 at this time, but they will cut off the porting to standard length for $24.99 Thought others might be interested. I'm going to do that. Off to shop for DT/Underwood ammo! I'm stoked. |
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