BULL FUCKING SHIT
TRIAL LAWYERS pulled this shit in the 1980's with "Sudden Accelleration" mostly blamed on AUDI.  People claimed they where pressing the brake pedal with ALL THEIR MIGHT and yet the car was accellerating incredibly hard. The NHTSA final study discovered that "pedal misapplication" was the primary cause.  

60 Minutes did stories, and dramafied it.  Of course the Honda Civic had the closest pedals (gas to brake) on the market at the time and Cadillacs has the furthest apart, and AUDI was in the middle with spacing, yet Cadillacs had the most Sudden Accelleration Incident reports.


Looks like those scum sucking motherfucking maggot lawyers are rehashing old ideas to ruin more people lives.

Have fun reading this PDF:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/2009/Pedal-Misapplication/Pedal-Misapplication-Dennis_Collins-Introduction.pdf

Again, the trial lawyers are behind this, I guaranfuckingtee it.

There aren't any clutch linkages. It's all hydraulic (brake fluid) today.

Most of the shift linkages are through the trans tunnels as well.



The reason manual gearboxes comprise a fraction of US sales is because everyone is a lazy fat ass that drives a vehicle and wants to do the following at the same time:

smoke

drink coffee

read newspaper

talk on cellphone

(ladies): put on makeup

citing convenience needs so automatics prevail



The sporty cars are now going towards dual-clutch gearboxes or shiftable automatics which give you the best of both worlds, except it isn't quite the same.



 

Nope, they are less effective and are a pain in the ass for basic transportation.  They have their place, but it's a niche.  Their ease allows the things you mention, but need to do these things is not why people buy them.  I've driven many manuals, even a single axle dump truck one summer in the '80s, and for my automotive dollar, make mine an auto...

Are you also lazy because you want to use an RF remote for your TV rather than getting up, walking to the TV/Cable Box and changing the channel?  You'd hate to put the popcorn down, wouldn't you...    

Our Lexus GS430 with 300 hp and 325 ft lbs torque will absolutely overcome the brakes if full power is applied at any speed above 0.  Maybee not if power is applied at a dead stop with brakes on full.  It would just roast the back tires off in that case.

i like my 98 4x4 tacoma with after market mickey mouse rubber floormats and throttle cable connected directly to my foot.

There is generally a 15 millisecond delay built into the programming of most cars with electronic throttle bodies.  If you have th right equiptment, you can set the throttle delay to zero.  It became a lot less aggravating to drive my car that has an electronic throttle once I did this.

Did this start once they moved Toyota over to the US?

I had a frayed throttle cable that locked my 4 barrel wide open on my 71 Monte Carlo. It was at a T in a road in town and I was facing a house. Luckily I had the brains to shut the key off.

No, that doesn't matter.  The fact of the matter is that the brakes only have to generate enough clamping force to overpower the clutch packs in an automatic transmission, or the clutch disc in a manual.  This is NOT a hard thing to do.  For a VERY simple comparison, just compare max brake line hydraulic pressure during a panic stop, to the max transmission line pressure....... which one is higher?

Appearently you didn't read my original post or you are just "too smart" to do so.  Did you see the part where I put it neutral?  The part where I coasted into a parking lot?  The part where I sat there in the parking lot in neutral with no foot anywhere near any pedal and the engine continued to rev at full throttle?


Oh no, you just posted  some weblink instead.

So once again.....explain what happened to me.

I must have missed your first post.  But still the vast majority, 90 something percent of "sudden acceleration" is gas pedal rather then brake.  When I had just gotten my license it happened to me, although I did not have an accident.

I KNEW I had my foot on the brake and when I applied the brake the car sped up.  So I slammed my foot harder on the brake and the car launched forward, because I KNEW I was pressing the brake..... Until I lifted my foot off and put it on the brake and slowed up.

This took place in the space of about 3 seconds.  and if I had been pulling into a parking spot, or someone was in a crosswalk in front of me, there would have been a newsworthy accident.  It does not take long.

Out of the hundreds of millions of vehicles on the road, you will get a failure now and then.  A wire might get shorted, a screw might have penetrated a box during production, shit happens when you put thousands of seperate parts together to make one object.  However blaming an entire line of vehicles is simply a money ploy.

The NHTSA has done six investigations into this and found no defect in any one of them.  It's only 'open' because Toyota issued a recall on the floor mats but has yet to provide owners with the solution yet.  Currently they recommend removing the floor mat.

broken engine mount.
same thing happened to me when i was 16.

of course, I was smart enough to shut the car off and then it worked fine to get it ot the shop.

that key thing shuts it right down.

And I don't think you read my post either.   The peddle pulled away from my foot (like on a cruise control when you hit "resume") and then after sitting the in the parking lot for about 15 seconds it released.  I have been driving the same car since.  Hasn't done it again but with electronics who knows when these things will happen/or why.

So while you might have "been smart enough" for your situation, you weren't smart enough to read my original post or you would have realized it is two different things.

Did you get that right?  Are you claiming that you can feel 15 milliseconds?  FYI, a human blink is anywhere between 50 and 80 milliseconds.  15 milliseconds is 5 beats of a fly's wing in flight.

Pedal placement, selective perception, selective reporting, and the "pile on" syndrome account for the problem.
There were no problems whatsoever with the Audis.

There will be no problem  found with these Toyotas, either.

The delay is before the signal is sent to the motor that moves the throttle plate.  This acts as a "buffer", and reduces drive train shock by limiting throttle plate variance.  Basically, if the pedal sensor doesn't see the same reading for more than the set delay time, it doesn't send a signal to the throttle to move.  As a result, the whole process of the vehicle accelerating, or revving up is delayed.  So while you are quickly depressing the pedal, no signal is being sent to the throttle until you stop somewhere, or you slow down the speed that you depress the pedal.  This is what gives some cars with an electronic throttle body that "sling shot" when you mash on the gas.  If this delay wasn't noticeable, there wouldn't be anyone complaining about how they don't like feel of these throttles.


All cars are different, I drive a manual transmission and mine was set to 15; most automatics are set to more.   Do I notice? Yes.   Would you notice? I don't know.

Thinking about it in camera terms, 15 milliseconds is 1/66 second......... it's not that fast.  


Mike