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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:45:27 AM EDT
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Number of suppressors I own: 9
Number of nods I own: 0 I need to change that. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:48:12 AM EDT
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Never but the 25 dB worth of reduction is going to mean very little to help your hearing. Someone fired an unsuppressed M4 in a vehicle I was in (long story). It was fucking LOUD. Hearing damage loud. On the other hand, I can fire my suppressed 11.5" rifle and it's subjectively loud, but I can still hear everything around me after 30 rounds. It makes a huge difference IMO. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:51:12 AM EDT
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Just received a set of new PVS 14s from TNVC, and let me tell you.... WOW! Also, I used a Surefire RC 2 suppressor on 5.56 and 7.62... Lame Many people have asked if they should get a suppressor or NVGs first. I would absolutely go with the NVG's.. Major giggle factor. 
Combining a suppressor with NVG is the ultimate in giggle. Suppressors let me shoot guns without hearing protection, including indoors without losing all my hearing. A suppressed rifle in the house just goes "Bang!" An unsuppressed rifle in a house goes "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!!!!!" And paint cracks and shit jumps around the house. Subsonic 300BO sounds really cool indoors. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:52:13 AM EDT
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Just received a set of new PVS 14s from TNVC, and let me tell you.... WOW! Also, I used a Surefire RC 2 suppressor on 5.56 and 7.62... Lame Many people have asked if they should get a suppressor or NVGs first. I would absolutely go with the NVG's.. Major giggle factor. What are you smoking? 4/20 was over, two days ago. Suppressors are awesome and need to be removed from NFA restrictions. A chicken in every pot, two cars in every garage, and a suppressor on every pistol and rifle. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:54:06 AM EDT
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FPNI.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:55:17 AM EDT
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No name change was necessary, it was available when I signed up. I was surprised too. Well, that's like your opinion, man. 
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Get both. Well, since you asked me, I would go with night vision first. I think you just won the thread. But really, who were you before you were changed to getboth? That is fucking amazing. But I think you are wrong.  No name change was necessary, it was available when I signed up. I was surprised too. Well, that's like your opinion, man.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/battlefield2shame/Arf/IMG_9790_zpsbth3dv96.jpg Your setup was the first night vision I ever looked through. It was extremely impressive. I don't think I can convince my parents that night vision would be a very good college graduation gift, though
Edit: And suppressors definitely are worth it, just not surefires. They're generally too expensive for the noise reduction you get. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:58:28 AM EDT
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Suppressors and NODs go together like peas and carrots.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:01:11 AM EDT
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Never but the 25 dB worth of reduction is going to mean very little to help your hearing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:How often have you fired your 5.56 or 7.62 rifle inside of a normal residential hallway or room? Try it with and without a suppressor, then get back to us.  Never but the 25 dB worth of reduction is going to mean very little to help your hearing. 25 dB is about as much reduction as you can attain with a good set of ear plugs. It's a huge difference that will most certainly help your hearing, even if it's still 125 or 135 dB after the suppressor. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:08:34 AM EDT
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Your setup was the first night vision I ever looked through. It was extremely impressive. I don't think I can convince my parents that night vision would be a very good college graduation gift, though
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Get both. Well, since you asked me, I would go with night vision first. I think you just won the thread. But really, who were you before you were changed to getboth? That is fucking amazing. But I think you are wrong. No name change was necessary, it was available when I signed up. I was surprised too. Well, that's like your opinion, man.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg233/battlefield2shame/Arf/IMG_9790_zpsbth3dv96.jpg Your setup was the first night vision I ever looked through. It was extremely impressive. I don't think I can convince my parents that night vision would be a very good college graduation gift, though
Edit: And suppressors definitely are worth it, just not surefires. They're generally too expensive for the noise reduction you get. You just need to tell them that it would be a great tool to use in your new career. How you spin that is up to you. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:20:52 AM EDT
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Cans are just plain polite.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:26:10 AM EDT
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lol. Night is for sleeping. Night is for killing. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:27:55 AM EDT
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lol. Night is for sleeping. Night is for killing. Moons out, goons out
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:28:20 AM EDT
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lol. Night is for sleeping. Night is for killing. "We will never sleep 'cause sleep is for the weak. No, we will never rest 'til we' re all fucking dead!" |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:39:27 AM EDT
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Well...you can build one of them yourself (theoretically), the other you have to buy. Buy accordingly.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:43:45 AM EDT
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Someone fired an unsuppressed M4 in a vehicle I was in (long story). It was fucking LOUD. Hearing damage loud. On the other hand, I can fire my suppressed 11.5" rifle and it's subjectively loud, but I can still hear everything around me after 30 rounds. It makes a huge difference IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never but the 25 dB worth of reduction is going to mean very little to help your hearing. Someone fired an unsuppressed M4 in a vehicle I was in (long story). It was fucking LOUD. Hearing damage loud. On the other hand, I can fire my suppressed 11.5" rifle and it's subjectively loud, but I can still hear everything around me after 30 rounds. It makes a huge difference IMO. Ya, I've been in a Honda Accord with a 1911 going off for about 6 rounds. No fun |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:53:20 AM EDT
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Totally agree with the premise of this thread.
May the butt-hurt of the wanna-be-cool guys with their cans commence. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 1:55:43 AM EDT
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I like being able to shoot without hearing pro more than being able to see at night.
That being said, get both. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 2:06:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNice setup and do not even think that we did not see the Yeti cup. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 2:09:13 AM EDT
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Well...you can build one of them yourself (theoretically), the other you have to buy. Buy accordingly. 'Nuff said. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 2:36:01 AM EDT
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threads like these are the only times i actually identify with the class envy whiners. my crap gen 2 sucks ass.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 3:02:02 AM EDT
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threads like these are the only times i actually identify with the class envy whiners. my crap gen 2 sucks ass.
In the land of the blind, the gen2 eyed man is king. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 3:09:18 AM EDT
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I have much more use for a suppressor than I do NVG, or even body armor for that matter.
Being able to go out back and shoot suppressed 22 rf at any time I want for the most part without disturbing the neighbors is a major win factor. Will soon be doing the same with both 300 BO and 9 mm. NVG and body armor are on my list of things to get, but they are pretty far down there. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 3:10:48 AM EDT
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This. Suppressors are there for when you need to actually use the rifle. Self defense or end of the world scenario. I have my own range in the country, but with neighbors, a can is a huge help. I can shoot much earlier (or later) without disturbing them. I asked and they said they can't even hear the canned 5.56. So I can pretty much shoot whenever I want because of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How often have you fired your 5.56 or 7.62 rifle inside of a normal residential hallway or room? Try it with and without a suppressor, then get back to us. This. Suppressors are there for when you need to actually use the rifle. Self defense or end of the world scenario. I have my own range in the country, but with neighbors, a can is a huge help. I can shoot much earlier (or later) without disturbing them. I asked and they said they can't even hear the canned 5.56. So I can pretty much shoot whenever I want because of it. how far are your neighbors and what can are you using for 5.56? I have a gem tech G5, and it's definitely louder than I would like it to be. Currently thinking of getting a Silencerco Omega later in the year... |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 3:12:49 AM EDT
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I really have no use for NODs. No where to shoot at night. They would just be a toy for looking around. A very expensive toy. I used PVS14's and 7's in the Army... so any budget NODs will just be a huge disappointment to me. People keep saying they can't shoot at night, but I say they're just not looking hard enough. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 7:20:01 AM EDT
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I have use for a suppressor.
Nv Not so much |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 7:32:25 AM EDT
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Just bought my first suppressor.
Wouldnt mind buying NVGs and adding it to my tax right offs. One thing that worries me about NVGs is that they burn out and most companies only offer a 5 yr or less warranty! That's big bucks for such a short warranty! After using both nvgs and thermals in mil and contract world, ID much rather have thermals BC they are so much more clear and easy to make out targets at distance. Would I use thermals or NVGs often in my area? Most likely Not! |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 7:36:25 AM EDT
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Annnnnnnd...what about body armor?
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Posted: 4/23/2016 7:38:59 AM EDT
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Annnnnnnd...what about body armor? You dont need that shit if its dark outside and your rocking night vision and a can against someone that doesnt have it. If your the guy without the can and night vision you might want to buy all the armor you can..... |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 7:47:38 AM EDT
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Totally agree with the premise of this thread. May the butt-hurt of the wanna-be-cool guys with their cans commence. Suppressors are for wanna-be-cool guys but night vision isn't? I don't understand the logic. Get both. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 7:50:43 AM EDT
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Plus you don't need uncle SAMs permission to buy them.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 7:58:34 AM EDT
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Is it better to purchase a night vision scope or the googles ?
One more question Is there a big learning curve if I purchase a PVS set of googles in leaning how to use them with a rifle scope? |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 8:08:48 AM EDT
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ATF 41F means get the suppressor first and save some hassle.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 8:11:03 AM EDT
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Shut your whore mouth. Nods, suppresses and body armor is what separates us from animals. Get all three. Words to live by |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 8:11:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as permanent damage goes, I ain't a doctor, so I cannot really say, but for immediate effects? Yeah, there's a marked difference in immediate effects of an unsuppressed MP-5 fired indoors from the shoulder (extremely loud ringing, making it difficult to hear anything afterwards,) a suppressed M-4 fired from right beside you by someone else ("dang that was LOUD! But I can still hear things,) and a .357 mag fired right next to your left ear by a guy you are fighting with (absolute and total deafness for more than 10 minutes. Like, "come on guys, why are you messing with me by moving your mouths and not making any noise. Wait, why do I sound to myself like I am under water. Crap. I can't hear anything.) An unsuppressed Mini-14 fired in my direction from about ten feet away was closer to the .357 mag than the MP-5, but the total loss was much shorter. I am sure all of them, along with outdoors exposure without ear protection, all contributed to my constant "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee," but there is a difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:How often have you fired your 5.56 or 7.62 rifle inside of a normal residential hallway or room? Try it with and without a suppressor, then get back to us. Never but the 25 dB worth of reduction is going to mean very little to help your hearing. As far as permanent damage goes, I ain't a doctor, so I cannot really say, but for immediate effects? Yeah, there's a marked difference in immediate effects of an unsuppressed MP-5 fired indoors from the shoulder (extremely loud ringing, making it difficult to hear anything afterwards,) a suppressed M-4 fired from right beside you by someone else ("dang that was LOUD! But I can still hear things,) and a .357 mag fired right next to your left ear by a guy you are fighting with (absolute and total deafness for more than 10 minutes. Like, "come on guys, why are you messing with me by moving your mouths and not making any noise. Wait, why do I sound to myself like I am under water. Crap. I can't hear anything.) An unsuppressed Mini-14 fired in my direction from about ten feet away was closer to the .357 mag than the MP-5, but the total loss was much shorter. I am sure all of them, along with outdoors exposure without ear protection, all contributed to my constant "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee," but there is a difference. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 8:12:25 AM EDT
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$$$$. It's all about the $$$.
Accessories such as NV and suppressors don't appreciate much in value. In fact, they depreciate because of new technology. These are not considered collectibles. With a panic coming, I'd rather put my spare cash in more AR's and milsurps. Maybe ammo. Disclaimer: I'm a collector / investor. Not a shooter. At my age (71), been there, done that. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 8:20:37 AM EDT
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I had experience with NVGs, MGs, and all kinds of fun stuff, but the first time I shot 300 blk suppressed I literally giggled. Yeah, me too. I even had a RSO come over and ask about my setup. With subsonic suppressed rounds we could hear the lead strike the berm at 100yds.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 8:23:22 AM EDT
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What? "Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just received a set of new PVS 14s from TNVC, and let me tell you.... WOW! Also, I used a Surefire RC 2 suppressor on 5.56 and 7.62... Lame Many people have asked if they should get a suppressor or NVGs first. I would absolutely go with the NVG's.. Major giggle factor. Night vision is awesome, and a great force multiplier, however... How often have you fired your 5.56 or 7.62 rifle inside of a normal residential hallway or room? Try it with and without a suppressor, then get back to us. What? "Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee." Momp http://youtu.be/Tekhh7Iy-sM |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 8:52:49 AM EDT
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Never but the 25 dB worth of reduction is going to mean very little to help your hearing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:How often have you fired your 5.56 or 7.62 rifle inside of a normal residential hallway or room? Try it with and without a suppressor, then get back to us. Never but the 25 dB worth of reduction is going to mean very little to help your hearing. Having experienced this I can tell you that you are very, very wrong in your assumption. Also, a good can will be over 30db reduction. Lighting off a 5.56 round in a concrete basement without a can compared to with is no comparison since every 10db makes noises twice as loud. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 8:53:10 AM EDT
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Double tap.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:01:36 AM EDT
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Totally agree with the premise of this thread. May the butt-hurt of the wanna-be-cool guys with their cans commence. Have owned both (Gen 3 NV and suppressors). Supppressors are useful on an HD gun and a 22lr is just fun. Other than that I have no use for them. NV is cool but I live in town and couldn't justify keeping it when I never used it. Seeing in the pitch black dark is awesome! |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:03:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:04:59 AM EDT
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Wait till you play with thermal It's alright....much like buying a computer in the 90s the tech is moving so fast it dosent make sense (to me) to buy yet I owned a pas-13b for a while it's value went from $6000 to $2000 in 3 years Nods are where it's at a good set of gen3 will make you feel super human at night |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:06:20 AM EDT
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Have owned both (Gen 3 NV and suppressors). Supppressors are useful on an HD gun and a 22lr is just fun. Other than that I have no use for them. NV is cool but I live in town and couldn't justify keeping it when I never used it. Seeing in the pitch black dark is awesome! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Totally agree with the premise of this thread. May the butt-hurt of the wanna-be-cool guys with their cans commence. Have owned both (Gen 3 NV and suppressors). Supppressors are useful on an HD gun and a 22lr is just fun. Other than that I have no use for them. NV is cool but I live in town and couldn't justify keeping it when I never used it. Seeing in the pitch black dark is awesome! The question is whether you identify your firearms as toys or insurance. the former is probably the more accurate description for most people. But if its the latter, then your insurance should cover you 24-7. body armor, NVGs, training, fitness. It ain't cheap. But if you need it, you REALLY fucking need it. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:20:35 AM EDT
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Is it better to purchase a night vision scope or the googles ? One more question Is there a big learning curve if I purchase a PVS set of googles in leaning how to use them with a rifle scope? Buy goggles. Buy $600 IR laser. Go to range at night. Sight in laser. Wherever the Dot of Death lands, the bullet strikes. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:23:12 AM EDT
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Just bought my first suppressor. Wouldnt mind buying NVGs and adding it to my tax right offs. One thing that worries me about NVGs is that they burn out and most companies only offer a 5 yr or less warranty! That's big bucks for such a short warranty! After using both nvgs and thermals in mil and contract world, ID much rather have thermals BC they are so much more clear and easy to make out targets at distance. Would I use thermals or NVGs often in my area? Most likely Not! NVGs don't burn out unless you're doing something REALLY wrong. They have a 10,000 HR life. I have a tube made in 1990. It's one of the first models of GenIII (not autogated). I went shooting last night and had no problems seeing without any IR Illum. I just have to be careful that no one shines a laser or flashlight in my direction. |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:30:45 AM EDT
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It's all part of a system that should also include training and being in shape. Someone using a gen1 unit with IR discipline and knowledge of tactics can waste an entire squad of people lollygagging around using IR so much they might as well have flashlights on their heads.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:31:19 AM EDT
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body armor, NVGs, training, fitness. It ain't cheap. But if you need it, you REALLY fucking need it. This. I'm getting out of the collecting business. My future gun related purchases will be to fill capability gaps. Edit: and just to be clear, I'm not against collecting if that's your thing. I do, however, take issue with the dudes that have stacks of rifles saved for the zombie hordes, but are 300lbs, can't climb a fence, and take so many meds they wouldn't last a month without them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:34:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I'm getting out of the collecting business. My future gun related purchases will be to fill capability gaps. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: body armor, NVGs, training, fitness. It ain't cheap. But if you need it, you REALLY fucking need it. This. I'm getting out of the collecting business. My future gun related purchases will be to fill capability gaps. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:40:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2016 9:40:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait till you play with thermal This. I got my FLIR about a month before my suppressor. Thermal is incredible! |
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