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They can write whatever article or study they want, but at the end of the day, they don't have to deal with the children.  Nothing offends me more than bullshit researchers conducting tests with a pre-defined result (who came up with the thinking skills test?  Why is it not posted with the article?) in order to tell real parents what they should do with their children.

It's your children.  You raise yours, I'll raise mine, and whatever damage or benefit that does, when they get out into the real world, they are on their own to overcome it or benefit from it.  My mother and father are not the cause of all my mistakes, and they don't get credit for all my successes...  they get credit for keeping me fed and sheltered, and that is enough.

These researchers can take their theories and shove them, waste of money and time and it is yet another representation of suburban surplus energy being channeled into telling other people what to do.  If these researchers want to help my family, they'll watch my kids for a night so my wife and I can get it on in peace, rather than telling me what some people said on a questionnaire and what the kids did on some BS test.

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They can write whatever article or study they want, but at the end of the day, they don't have to deal with the children.  Nothing offends me more than bullshit researchers conducting tests with a pre-defined result (who came up with the thinking skills test?  Why is it not posted with the article?) in order to tell real parents what they should do with their children.

It's your children.  You raise yours, I'll raise mine, and whatever damage or benefit that does, when they get out into the real world, they are on their own to overcome it or benefit from it.  My mother and father are not the cause of all my mistakes, and they don't get credit for all my successes...  they get credit for keeping me fed and sheltered, and that is enough.

These researchers can take their theories and shove them, waste of money and time and it is yet another representation of suburban surplus energy being channeled into telling other people what to do.  If these researchers want to help my family, they'll watch my kids for a night so my wife and I can get it on in peace, rather than telling me what some people said on a questionnaire and what the kids did on some BS test.

A new study of more than 2,500 toddlers from low-income families found that spanking may have detrimental effects on behavior and mental development.

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So, you beat one year olds?  This study is saying that spanking a kid before they are able to fully understand it does more harm than good.  I don't think that falls under the category of "totally BS made up by conspiracy scientists with an agenda".

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So, you beat one year olds?  This study is saying that spanking a kid before they are able to fully understand it does more harm than good.  I don't think that falls under the category of "totally BS made up by conspiracy scientists with an agenda".

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Nice assumptions, I beat 1 year olds and I believe all studies are an actual deliberate conspiracy?  What will you do next, demonstrate that I am a racist and my firearms are all fully automatic weapons designed only for killing entire schoolyards full of children?

I said these researchers are wasting time and money and it is yet another representation of suburban surplus energy (they have nothing better to do than get private or gov grants to support another one of their useless hypotheses)...  not a deliberate conspiracy with an agenda.  And nowhere in my statement did I say ANYTHING about what I do.  And what business is it of yours anyway?  

And where did 'beating' come in?  The article is talking about spanking, 'beating' includes everything from tossing against walls to flat out punching in the face...  are you just trying some propaganda spin?  Is that like changing 'rifle' to 'high powered rifle?'

I spank my child, I didn't have any reason to spank the child until age 2.  Studies like this are used to support ongoing assertions that all spanking is wrong, and it's a waste of time.

And you have a great career in journalism ahead of you.

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I'm not sure I disagree. I have no problem with spanking. This article is specifally addressing spanking up to age 2, and was more focused on under age 1. I really don't see spanking such a young child as helpful. A child that young has limited cognitive and reasoning abilities. Now I can see somewhere between age 1 and 2 that kids will start to "get it". Age 2 and up feel free to whack away.

Think a little spanking won't do much harm to kids? New research says the effects can be long-lasting.


Children are too young to understand when parenting behavior is wrong, a social psychologist says.

Experts say "popping" kids can do more harm than good. A new study of more than 2,500 toddlers from low-income families found that spanking may have detrimental effects on behavior and mental development.

"We're talking about infants and toddlers, and I think that just, cognitively, they just don't understand enough about right or wrong or punishment to benefit from being spanked," said Lisa Berlin, the study's lead author and research scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University.

Berlin and colleagues found that children who were spanked as 1-year-olds tended to behave more aggressively at age 2, and did not perform as well as other children on a test measuring thinking skills at age 3. The study is published in the journal Child Development.

Although these effects were somewhat small, the study is just the latest of many supporting psychologists' advice against spanking. Still, some experts say spanking has a time and place.

The new study focused on children from low-income families because prior research suggested that spanking is more common among them, Berlin said. This may be because of the added stresses of parenting in a low-income situation, or because of a "cultural contagion" of behaviors among people. For example, in some families this study examined, a grandmother would spank a child, or neighbors would encourage physical discipline, she said.

Her study found that about one-third of the 1-year-olds, and about half of the 2- and 3-year-olds, had been spanked in the previous week, according to mothers' self-reporting to the researchers. At all three ages, African-American children were spanked significantly more frequently than those from white and Mexican-American families, and verbally punished more than the other children at ages 2 and 3, the study said.

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Mama wasn't always That's why psychologists trained parents to use spanking that way for 25 years [from the] late '60s to mid-'90s," he said. Now, the trend of advice is away from spanking, but there's not much hard evidence to support it, he said.

Berlin's study focused on particularly early ages, Larzelere noted; much of the spanking literature focuses on ages 2 and older. Twelve months is probably too early to spank children, but there's no established point between ages 1 and 2 at which it is appropriate, he said.

Others say parents should not resort to spanking at any age. Susan Newman, social psychologist and author of "Little Things Long Remembered: Making Your Children Feel Special Every Day," said parents should discourage bad behaviors by taking away privileges such as dessert, or setting an earlier bedtime. They should also reinforce good behaviors verbally, saying how nice it is when their children share, for example.

The study corroborates what clinical psychologist Laura Markham, who was not involved in the study, has observed about the negative effects of spanking. Many mothers describe their children as fussy, resistant and demanding at age 1, which is a critical junction in the parent-child relationship, she said in an e-mail.

"If the mother sees this fussiness as willful misbehavior and begins verbally punishing or spanking, rather than empathizing with the child, the child's behavior deteriorates into more tantrums and other frustrating behavior," said Markham, who also offers advice at AhaParenting.com.

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Newman also noted that children are too young to understand when parenting behavior is wrong, even at the level of abuse. Physical violence gets passed down in families because the only parenting skills people know are the behaviors that they saw at home, she said.

Spanking, moreover, reinforces negative memories in the child's mind, Newman said. Parents should aim instead to build "prominent, happy memories" of childhood for their kids, she said.

Regardless of income level, all parents can benefit from training classes, Newman said.

For future research, Berlin is looking at programs that work with low-income or high-risk families and try to promote supportive parenting behaviors.

In the spanking study, some mothers said they were receiving parenting services in which they were counseled not to spank their children.

"This is definitively the direction in which services are going and in which, in general, American culture is going," Berlin said.

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Who the hell spanks a 1 year old?