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Posted: 8/1/2009 7:56:28 PM EDT

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I'd rather have a new ZR-1

This.

This +1

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:02:47 PM EDT

[#2]

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I'm sure alot of Americans can afford that foreign fucking piece of shit.

I'm also sure that it will be sold out before production starts. Oh wait, it is.

Any other pearls of wisdom you want to drop?

MSRP: $269K.

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:06:13 PM EDT

[#3]

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The Ferrari 458 and the Corvette ZR1 are in no way intended for the same market segment.

I like both, but they're far less comparable then they seem superficially.

This, as cool as the ZR1 is, it is not a Ferrari. When I win powerball tonight I'll just get both as its the arfcom way.

Every 458 is probably presold. as are all the ZR-1s....

Actually on another board there are a couple of people who put money down sight unseen on whatever replaced the 430 over a year ago that won't be getting one. They're not happy.

Ferrari's are always sold out before production starts. With some people putting down deposits 4 years ahead of time with no knowledge of what the next one will look like.

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:08:11 PM EDT

[#4]

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ehh, 0-60 and top speed is slower then a 911 GT2 and it will cost more?

Completely different cars.

You know that though and just want to stir the shit with your Porsche loving ass.

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:30:09 PM EDT

[#5]

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The Ferrari 458 and the Corvette ZR1 are in no way intended for the same market segment.

I like both, but they're far less comparable then they seem superficially.

This, as cool as the ZR1 is, it is not a Ferrari. When I win powerball tonight I'll just get both as its the arfcom way.

Every 458 is probably presold. as are all the ZR-1s....

Actually on another board there are a couple of people who put money down sight unseen on whatever replaced the 430 over a year ago that won't be getting one. They're not happy.

Ferrari's are always sold out before production starts. With some people putting down deposits 4 years ahead of time with no knowledge of what the next one will look like.

And IIRC you can't just buy a 458. You have to own a starter Ferrari first.

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:32:29 PM EDT

[#6]

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The Ferrari 458 and the Corvette ZR1 are in no way intended for the same market segment.

I like both, but they're far less comparable then they seem superficially.

This, as cool as the ZR1 is, it is not a Ferrari. When I win powerball tonight I'll just get both as its the arfcom way.

Every 458 is probably presold. as are all the ZR-1s....

Actually on another board there are a couple of people who put money down sight unseen on whatever replaced the 430 over a year ago that won't be getting one. They're not happy.

Ferrari's are always sold out before production starts. With some people putting down deposits 4 years ahead of time with no knowledge of what the next one will look like.

And IIRC you can't just buy a 458. You have to own a starter Ferrari first.

Not necessarily. You just have to have had a relationship with your local Ferrari dealership first to get a chance to get on the list. 3-4 years ago.

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:33:16 PM EDT

[#7]

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The Ferrari 458 and the Corvette ZR1 are in no way intended for the same market segment.

I like both, but they're far less comparable then they seem superficially.

This, as cool as the ZR1 is, it is not a Ferrari. When I win powerball tonight I'll just get both as its the arfcom way.

Every 458 is probably presold. as are all the ZR-1s....

Actually on another board there are a couple of people who put money down sight unseen on whatever replaced the 430 over a year ago that won't be getting one. They're not happy.

Ferrari's are always sold out before production starts. With some people putting down deposits 4 years ahead of time with no knowledge of what the next one will look like.

And IIRC you can't just buy a 458. You have to own a starter Ferrari first.

Not necessarily. You just have to have had a relationship with your local Ferrari dealership first to get a chance to get on the list. 3-4 years ago.

Most of those dealerships won't put you on the list unless you already own one.

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:34:16 PM EDT

[#8]

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The Ferrari 458 and the Corvette ZR1 are in no way intended for the same market segment.

I like both, but they're far less comparable then they seem superficially.

This, as cool as the ZR1 is, it is not a Ferrari. When I win powerball tonight I'll just get both as its the arfcom way.

Every 458 is probably presold. as are all the ZR-1s....

Actually on another board there are a couple of people who put money down sight unseen on whatever replaced the 430 over a year ago that won't be getting one. They're not happy.

Ferrari's are always sold out before production starts. With some people putting down deposits 4 years ahead of time with no knowledge of what the next one will look like.

And IIRC you can't just buy a 458. You have to own a starter Ferrari first.

Not necessarily. You just have to have had a relationship with your local Ferrari dealership first to get a chance to get on the list. 3-4 years ago.

Most of those dealerships won't put you on the list unless you already own one.

I know what you were implying. I was just being a drunk smartass.

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:54:44 PM EDT

[#9]

The 430 looks better....

I love the 360 and 430's air intakes above the rear wheel wells!

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:56:00 PM EDT

[#10]

gorgeous...seriously hot car...

Posted: 8/1/2009 8:59:52 PM EDT

[#11]

Back in the day I wanted one of these so bad I could taste it:

I had to settle for this:

After years of tending a high strung solid lifter engine I now drive this:

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:04:14 PM EDT

[#12]

That sidekick totally owns!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:11:12 PM EDT

[#13]

Is it just me or are these overproduced pics might as well be CGI?

How about some pics of what it looks like in 99.999999999% of real world lighting.

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:14:12 PM EDT

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Back in the day I wanted one of these so bad I could taste it:

http://www.supercars.net/carpics/691/1968_Ford_GT40Mk1Gulf2.jpg

I had to settle for this:

http://www.jmooneyham.com/1970-z-28-chevrolet-camaro.jpg

After years of tending a high strung solid lifter engine I now drive this:

http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/kj/090706/244r3/214142a_20.jpeg

The GT40 was such a cool car and a Ferrari killer too.

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:19:13 PM EDT

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I was at an outdoor cafe in San Francisco recently when some young guy parked a similar Ferrari, with Arabic plates (?? son of a diplomat), in front of the restaurant.

I'm not a car guy, but I was astounded by the amount of attention that thing got: passers-by, motorists, people in buses... The owner also ate outside, and I think he liked watching his car get such attention.

It's nice to have a car people apreciate, I only have an STi but it's a head turner for sure. The coolest moment was when I was just cruising on the highway, driving 65mph and someone passed me in the left lane and his kid on the back seat was totally staring at my car with big round eyes and an open mouth, kinda like this

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:27:08 PM EDT

[#16]

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The Ferrari 458 and the Corvette ZR1 are in no way intended for the same market segment.

I like both, but they're far less comparable then they seem superficially.

This, as cool as the ZR1 is, it is not a Ferrari. When I win powerball tonight I'll just get both as its the arfcom way.

There's a good chance that the person who buys the Ferrari will take factory delivery of the car at Marelleno. If he's a repeat customer, they could give him the option of accepting delivery at the test track at Fiorano to run a few laps and, who knows, he might even get a chance to meet Kimi or Michael Schumacher if they happen to be at the factory.

What is the buyer of the Corvette going to do, go to Bowling Green and meet the jort wearing UAW slug who built his car?

It just doesn't seem the same, does it?

Feh. Do your homework. Buyers of the ZR1 get a multi day 'training session' at Bondurant's. On his track. Using his ZR1's. At speed. High speed. Probably better and more useful than "meeting Kimi or Michael Schumacher if they happen to be at the factory".

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:28:27 PM EDT

[#17]

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The Ferrari 458 and the Corvette ZR1 are in no way intended for the same market segment.

I like both, but they're far less comparable then they seem superficially.

This, as cool as the ZR1 is, it is not a Ferrari. When I win powerball tonight I'll just get both as its the arfcom way.

There's a good chance that the person who buys the Ferrari will take factory delivery of the car at Marelleno. If he's a repeat customer, they could give him the option of accepting delivery at the test track at Fiorano to run a few laps and, who knows, he might even get a chance to meet Kimi or Michael Schumacher if they happen to be at the factory.

What is the buyer of the Corvette going to do, go to Bowling Green and meet the jort wearing UAW slug who built his car?

It just doesn't seem the same, does it?

Feh. Do your homework. Buyers of the ZR1 get a multi day 'training session' at Bondurant's. On his track. Using his ZR1's. At speed. High speed. Probably better and more useful than "meeting Kimi or Michael Schumacher if they happen to be at the factory".

Corvette fanboys crack me up.

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:33:38 PM EDT

[#18]

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The Ferrari 458 and the Corvette ZR1 are in no way intended for the same market segment.

I like both, but they're far less comparable then they seem superficially.

This, as cool as the ZR1 is, it is not a Ferrari. When I win powerball tonight I'll just get both as its the arfcom way.

There's a good chance that the person who buys the Ferrari will take factory delivery of the car at Marelleno. If he's a repeat customer, they could give him the option of accepting delivery at the test track at Fiorano to run a few laps and, who knows, he might even get a chance to meet Kimi or Michael Schumacher if they happen to be at the factory.

What is the buyer of the Corvette going to do, go to Bowling Green and meet the jort wearing UAW slug who built his car?

It just doesn't seem the same, does it?

Feh. Do your homework. Buyers of the ZR1 get a multi day 'training session' at Bondurant's. On his track. Using his ZR1's. At speed. High speed. Probably better and more useful than "meeting Kimi or Michael Schumacher if they happen to be at the factory".

Corvette fanboys crack me up.

The ZR1 probably is a better value than the Ferrari (pure performance for dollar). But it's still no Ferrari.

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:38:06 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/1/2009 9:39:23 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

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The Ferrari 458 and the Corvette ZR1 are in no way intended for the same market segment.

I like both, but they're far less comparable then they seem superficially.

This, as cool as the ZR1 is, it is not a Ferrari. When I win powerball tonight I'll just get both as its the arfcom way.

There's a good chance that the person who buys the Ferrari will take factory delivery of the car at Marelleno. If he's a repeat customer, they could give him the option of accepting delivery at the test track at Fiorano to run a few laps and, who knows, he might even get a chance to meet Kimi or Michael Schumacher if they happen to be at the factory.

What is the buyer of the Corvette going to do, go to Bowling Green and meet the jort wearing UAW slug who built his car?

It just doesn't seem the same, does it?

Feh. Do your homework. Buyers of the ZR1 get a multi day 'training session' at Bondurant's. On his track. Using his ZR1's. At speed. High speed. Probably better and more useful than "meeting Kimi or Michael Schumacher if they happen to be at the factory".

Corvette fanboys crack me up.

The ZR1 probably is a better value than the Ferrari (pure performance for dollar). But it's still no Ferrari.

Exactly.

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:41:06 PM EDT

[#21]

Yep 430 meets Enzo! This is a masterpeice!

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:52:08 PM EDT

[#22]

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ehh, 0-60 and top speed is slower then a 911 GT2 and it will cost more?

Completely different cars.

You know that though and just want to stir the shit with your Porsche loving ass.

What do you mean? they are both two door, two seat supercars built for blowing around the track and weekend driving.

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:52:10 PM EDT

[#23]

D/T

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:52:23 PM EDT

[#24]

I've always liked the Italian designs, but for myself, I prefer to sit behind a wheel and look over a hood.

Posted: 8/1/2009 9:59:02 PM EDT

[#25]

Shelby SSC set a new world speed record 258 MPH , $600,000

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:04:24 PM EDT

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Shelby SSC set a new world speed record 258 MPH , $600,000

Not bad, but what happens when you need to turn going above 25 MPH?

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:05:03 PM EDT

[#27]

How much is the Ferrari 458 going for?

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:07:06 PM EDT

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How much is the Ferrari 458 going for?

$269,000.

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:07:18 PM EDT

[#29]

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ehh, 0-60 and top speed is slower then a 911 GT2 and it will cost more?

Completely different cars.

You know that though and just want to stir the shit with your Porsche loving ass.

What do you mean? they are both two door, two seat supercars built for blowing around the track and weekend driving.

Please, don't plead stupidity. The GT2 is MADE for the track, the 458 isn't.

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:08:04 PM EDT

[#30]

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How much is the Ferrari 458 going for?

Posted earlier. It started at $269K.

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:08:21 PM EDT

[#31]

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How much is the Ferrari 458 going for?

NM..posted already.

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:15:13 PM EDT

[#32]

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ehh, 0-60 and top speed is slower then a 911 GT2 and it will cost more?

Completely different cars.

You know that though and just want to stir the shit with your Porsche loving ass.

What do you mean? they are both two door, two seat supercars built for blowing around the track and weekend driving.

Please, don't plead stupidity. The GT2 is MADE for the track, the 458 isn't.

Oh, come on, you know as well as I do that Ferrari built the 458 (and every other car they have ever made) as a track car first and a street car a very distant second.

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:16:24 PM EDT

[#33]

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ehh, 0-60 and top speed is slower then a 911 GT2 and it will cost more?

Completely different cars.

You know that though and just want to stir the shit with your Porsche loving ass.

What do you mean? they are both two door, two seat supercars built for blowing around the track and weekend driving.

Please, don't plead stupidity. The GT2 is MADE for the track, the 458 isn't.

Not entirely true. This one is however:

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:18:21 PM EDT

[#34]

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ehh, 0-60 and top speed is slower then a 911 GT2 and it will cost more?

Completely different cars.

You know that though and just want to stir the shit with your Porsche loving ass.

What do you mean? they are both two door, two seat supercars built for blowing around the track and weekend driving.

Please, don't plead stupidity. The GT2 is MADE for the track, the 458 isn't.

Oh, come on, you know as well as I do that Ferrari built the 458 as a track car first and a street car a very distant second.

Nope. If you want to compare then use the 430 Scuderia. Not the fresh off the line 458.

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:21:10 PM EDT

[#35]

What ever, Porsche is still better.

(I am a rabid fanboy, what can I say?)

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:23:04 PM EDT

[#36]

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ehh, 0-60 and top speed is slower then a 911 GT2 and it will cost more?

Completely different cars.

You know that though and just want to stir the shit with your Porsche loving ass.

What do you mean? they are both two door, two seat supercars built for blowing around the track and weekend driving.

Please, don't plead stupidity. The GT2 is MADE for the track, the 458 isn't.

Not entirely true. This one is however:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2aG4vSh20s

The GT3 RS is the light weight track version. Neither of these two cars are in the same class (not a knock) as the 458. They are different cars for different purposes.

Unless by the way you guys are going you want the Enzo brought in the mix?

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:24:11 PM EDT

[#37]

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What ever, Porsche is still better.

(I am a rabid fanboy, what can I say?)

I know that.

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:26:49 PM EDT

[#38]

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ehh, 0-60 and top speed is slower then a 911 GT2 and it will cost more?

Completely different cars.

You know that though and just want to stir the shit with your Porsche loving ass.

What do you mean? they are both two door, two seat supercars built for blowing around the track and weekend driving.

Please, don't plead stupidity. The GT2 is MADE for the track, the 458 isn't.

Oh, come on, you know as well as I do that Ferrari built the 458 as a track car first and a street car a very distant second.

Nope. If you want to compare then use the 430 Scuderia. Not the fresh off the line 458.

Yeah the 430 Scuderia and the 360 Challenge Stradale are the most recent "track cars" but I'd be interested in seeing what the actual differences are in each case (as well as the GT2) from their more street brethren..I figure less weight and grippier tread are the most significant

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:30:44 PM EDT

[#39]

Not like I can afford either for the foreseeable future, but in that price point, assuming I could afford one I think I would rather have a Lamborghini Gallardo. I really like the aggressive angular styling of the Gallardo, and since it's made by Audi, in Germany it will actually function more then half the time.

My parents have a neighbor that own a F360 that has spent more time with the bonnet up then with keys in it's ignition.

Edited to add: On the subject of the Corvette ZR-1 I spent some time at the road course MPH in Hastings, NE. The day I was out there there were two ZR-1s along with a plethora of more pedestrian Z06s. The consensus I heard amongst the guys running that track day and amongst many of the drivers was that the ZR-1 was not a very good track car, most notably it didn't have adequate cooling and was prone to overheating after only a couple laps. Also there that day was a Noble M12 which was very interesting Car to see in person. Personally I'd rather have a Noble then a ZR-1 for the money.

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:32:57 PM EDT

[#40]

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ehh, 0-60 and top speed is slower then a 911 GT2 and it will cost more?

Completely different cars.

You know that though and just want to stir the shit with your Porsche loving ass.

What do you mean? they are both two door, two seat supercars built for blowing around the track and weekend driving.

Please, don't plead stupidity. The GT2 is MADE for the track, the 458 isn't.

Oh, come on, you know as well as I do that Ferrari built the 458 as a track car first and a street car a very distant second.

Nope. If you want to compare then use the 430 Scuderia. Not the fresh off the line 458.

Yeah the 430 Scuderia and the 360 Challenge Stradale are the most recent "track cars" but I'd be interested in seeing what the actual differences are in each case (as well as the GT2) from their more street brethren..I figure less weight and grippier tread are the most significant

A lot less weight. Any particulars you need?

Also the GT2 is RWD as opposed to AWD like the Turbo. I would love to drive against the average driver with me being in a standard 430 and them being in the GT2. First high speed turn and it would be over.

Posted: 8/1/2009 10:39:27 PM EDT

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