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You are a complete moron AUG.
Once again, you are projecting the current situation into the past and coming up with a fallacious argument.
In 1903 people beleved that crime was out of control. That bolshiviks and socialists were going to take over the country. Social warfare was expected to break out every time there was a labor dispute. Why don't you go dig up some period newspapers or read someof TR's or Beveridge's papers and educate yourself and see what this period was really like?
The state taking tax dollars keeps people fed, housed, clothed and healthy and allowes them to send their kids to school. What do you think those people would do if you took that away? You think they are just going to disappear? And what reason would they have to respect your property and life after you have cut them off and no longer share the same world with them? Nothing but naked force I assure you. Do you think that paying for the police to provide that force is going to cost more or less of your taxes than what you pay now for welfare? Your guns may protect you and your wife from some attacks also, but the feral humans you created are going to get lucky occasionaly. Maybe you, maybe your wife, maybe another family member or friend. And how willing are you to HAVE to shoot people? Not just a possiblity that it might happen like now, but a real constant, daily threat like, say in Israel?
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Jesus Christ you are dumb as shit.
[size=6]YOU SAID[/size=6]
"In 1903 there was no welfare system in this country."
"It is a payoff. Welfare reduced property crime when it was introduced. "
Then I pointed out you were wrong, that in fact crime was lower PRIOR to welfare and now you call me a moron?
[size=6]CRIME, despite welfare (social programs) is HIGHER NOW than before it was introduced. WELFARE HAS NOT REDUCED CRIME.[/size=6]
FURTHERMORE, Socialism has failed everytime it has been attempted. Small amounts of socialism can survive (like a parasite) in strong economies of other system, such as capitalism. But once socialism takes prominence over the base system (the host) it kills it and neither can no longer survive.
The problem with Socialism is it removes the motivation factor. If I work harder and all they do is take everything earned due to the extra effort I will STOP.
It doesn't work. It never has worked. It never will work. And the ONLY people who seem to think it has merit are morons like YOU who have the benefit of living in a NON SOCIALIST country and are allowed to second guess it.