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Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:40:12 PM EDT
[#1]
Stick to your guns and don't give in to the santa crowd.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:41:44 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:42:04 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:42:42 PM EDT
[#4]
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Who thinks that they were damaged because their parents 'lied' to them about Santa Claus?


I was born on Christmas Day and I remember turning 9 and doubting the whole story, but not giving a shit either way.


I do however remember my parents being neurotic and petty and arguing over ridiculous bullshit. Sound familiar, OP?
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:43:00 PM EDT
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_hates_christmas.htm

Why I believe...
God Hates Christmas!



I believe with all my heart that God is disgusted and saddened about what Christmas has deteriorated into in the minds of MOST people. I sincerely believe that God hates Christmas in America. Christmas has become so synthetic, so phony, so meaningless.

It's a mad rush by businesses after Thanksgiving to make as much money as possible before Christmas day. Christmas has sadly become VERY commercialized in America. Money, money, money! Christmas isn't supposed to be about spending and giving, it's about the birth of Jesus Christ. It's about God's free gift of eternal life to a world of undeserving sinners. We all deserve to burn in Hell for our sins, but God in His wonderful love provided a way of escape for mankind, a plan of redemption. God wanted to redeem man back to Himself. So God sent His only begotten Son into the world to be rejected of men, despised, spit upon, beaten, mocked, tortured, bound and ultimately crucified to death as a criminal.

Oh that people would seek the truth. Santa Claus is a mockery of the Savior, who knows everything and can be everywhere at one time. Interestingly, Santa spells S-A-T-A-N if you rearrange the letters. Coincidence?


X-mas Has Become a Favorite Holiday of the Wicked Unsaved

Tragically, nearly all of the people celebrating Christmas aren't even saved. Most of the people observing the Christmas season don't know the Lord as their personal Savior. Even atheists celebrate Christmas by renaming it "X-MAS."

"Independence Day" is much longer than "Christmas," yet no one ever calls it "X-Day." "Thanksgiving" is much longer than "Christmas," yet we never call it "X-giving." Why is it that out of all the holidays in America, the ONLY place where people feel compelled to place an "X" is over our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. It is blatant evil. If you are reading this article and love the Lord Jesus, make sure to speak aloud to any business that displays the godless term "x-mas."

If it weren't for Santa Claus, reindeers, mistletoe, sparkling ornaments, tinsel, and a bunch of meaningless silly songs... the heathen world would abandon Christmas like a hot-potato.

So do you think that God Almighty is pleased with a holiday that EXCLUDES Jesus Christ? No way! God hates Christmas. And may I say again, there is NOTHING in the Word of God which leads us to recognize the birth of Christ in any way.

By the way, the Bible never lead anyone to recognize Mary in any way either. The entire Catholic religion is based upon the humongous lie that people are supposed to praise and adore Mary. Just as a child with candy all over his face who denies going into the candy jar, so are Catholics found guilty when they claim they don't worship or pray to Mary while continually bowing to her image and statue. The truth cannot be denied...  Catholics worship Mary!


The Bible Doesn't Ask Believers to Observe Christmas

Did you ever stop to think that there is NOTHING in the Bible which commands us to celebrate or recognize Christmas? Yes, that is true! God never tells us to recognize the birth of His Son.

However, we are commanded in the Bible to recognize the Lord's death upon the cross. This is done during the Lord's supper. At the Lord's Supper in church, we remember Jesus' body which was crucified upon the cross and His blood which was shed to cleanse our sins away. The Lord's supper is to be performed ONLY with unleavened bread and unfermented grape juice. This is because ferment and leaven involve mold which is symbolic of sin and corruption. Jesus was sinless and perfect in every way while upon the earth. We must observe His perfection by only consuming unleavened bread and unfermented juice. The Lord's supper is something which God wants all believers to do. Of course, the unsaved have no right to partake of the Lord's supper. Only a born-again Christian has a right to join in the Lord's supper.

Please note that I am not talking about the Catholic's heathen practice of Mass or the Eucharist. The Catholic's believe that they are actually eating Jesus and drinking His blood. I don't believe such cannibalistic traditions of man. The Bible clearly teaches that we are simply performing the Lord's Supper to "remember" what Jesus has done for us. Jesus has provided the opportunity for us to have our sins completely forgiven through His cleansing blood. We simply need to call (rely) upon Jesus' name (Romans 10:13). Only through Jesus Christ alone can ANY person be born-again (John 14:6).

God doesn't magnify Christmas in the Bible. The term "Christmas" is not a Biblical term. God never told us to celebrate Easter either. We are not commanded to observe Good Friday. We are only commanded to "remember" Jesus' work of redemption from time-to-time. The world recognizes a bunch of holidays which God does not. God recognizes Jesus being crucified upon the cross and He wants us to recognize that alone.


The Amount of Money That American's Spend on Christmas Could Feed Millions of Starving People in Several Third-World Nations

Christmas has become a joke in America. If we took all the money spent on Christmas trees, tinsel, ornaments, wrapping paper, snowmen, flashing lights, and everything else imaginable... we could literally feed millions of people in several starving third-world nations.

Are we really celebrating Jesus' birthday? Don't you think it would mean much more to God if you helped someone for Christmas instead of decorating your home inside and out? Sure it would. We are nuts in America! We go out of our way to teach children in the public school system the importance of recycling soda cans, while never a word is said about reducing the number of abortions. It's "save the whales, murder the children." Americans spend BILLIONS of dollars spoiling their dogs and cats at home, while people starve to death around the globe (2.8 BILLION people on this planet live on less than $2 per day). That's about half the population!

"Lord, let me live from day to day
In such a self-forgetful way
That even when I kneel to pray,
My prayer shall be for others.
Others, Lord, yes, others;
Let this my motto be.
Help me to live for others
That I may live like Thee."

-Dr. Jack Hyles

All I'm saying is that we tend to spend all of our money on ourselves without ever thinking about OTHERS.


Satan Claus Has Come to Town!

Santa Claus the Great Imposter

The Plain Truth About Christmas (it's Babylonian occult origins)


Biblically, Jesus couldn't have been born in December (see the above article, The Plain Truth About Christmas). I am not against celebrating Christ's birth, not at all. I am against the Satanic deceptions which the Devil's crowd has integrated with Christ's birth to manufacture the worldly holiday of Christmas.

Santa Claus became extremely popular when Coca Cola really began promoting him in the 1940's.  Today, Santa has replaced Jesus in the minds of most children. Ask any child what they know about Jesus, and then Santa, and see what answers you get. Most children know a lot about Santa from singing all the songs about Santa, but there are no Christmas songs for children which describe the Lord. The world's Christmas songs are designed to instill a picture into the child's mind of "WHO" Santa is.

Tragically, Santa is an exact clone of the Lord Jesus Christ. Children are taught that Santa (Not Jesus) watches them all the time, knows if they're bad or good, and will reward them if they are good. Children do believe these lies of Satan. The FACT that the U.S. Postal Service receives millions of letters each Christmas addressed to "Santa Claus" is proof enough of this fact.

God does NOT make a big deal out of Christmas and I think we would be wise to do the same. In fact, God does not make an issue of it at all. If God was concerned about us celebrating Jesus' birth, then He would have given us a date or time to celebrate, but He didn't.


I think God hates Christmas for many reasons:

1.  The greed of Christmas. Let's face it, Americans alone spend billions of dollars just on Christmas.

2.  The massive amount of money spent on decorations while the poor go hungry.  Christmas to most people is all about having fun.

3.  The heathen formalism of false religions like Catholicism.  God doesn't care about mass or the seven sacraments...NOT AT ALL!  God wants you to call upon Jesus to forgive your sins and come into your heart.  God wants your heart, not religion.

4.  The "give to get" mentality of most people.  It's really quite sickening as I listen to all the Christmas music.  Santa Clause is the hero of Christmas, not Jesus Christ.  "What's Santa going to bring me?"...gimme, gimme, gimme!

5.  The wicked diminishing of "Christmas" to "Xmas."  This is so wrong!  I see "Xmas" everywhere I go.  Should it be any surprise that Christ would be removed from a holiday which centers around commercial greed.

6.  Christmas charity is not righteousness.  Just because you give some charity away at Christmas doesn't bring you one bit closer to God unless you have come through the blood of Jesus Christ.  Your good works are filth to God (Isaiah 64:6).  You need to ask Jesus to forgive you of all your wicked sins.

7.  Worldly Christmas parties.  All across America at Christmas time, booze flows and the whores take off their clothes.  Every company I have ever worked for has invited me to their godless Christmas party.  To date, I have never gone to one of them (and never will).  All I hear afterwards is reports of nudity, booze, worldly entertainment, and immorality.  No thanks Satan, I'll stay home with Jesus!

8.  The utter hypocrisy of people.  Everywhere you go throughout December in America, you will hear Christmas music.  Openly homosexual singer, Elton John, has a Christmas album.  Homosexuality is an abominable sin according to the Bible!  Radio stations play his music all across America.  When sinners living in wicked rebellion against God sing Christmas praises, do you think God is pleased?  I tell you, God is extremely angry! (Psalm 7:11).  God has no pleasure in the song of fools (Ecclesiastes 7:5).  You'll hear "Holy, holy, holy" one song, and then godless Michael Jackson the next.  The radio-waves at Christmas time are filled with the most ungodly and reprobate heathens singing Christmas songs...it is a horrid STENCH in the nostrils of God.

It is for these reasons and others that I believe God hates Christmas. God is angry with the wicked every day (Psalm 7:11).  God is not pleased by a child-murdering nation. God is not pleased by a nation that invades innocent countries to steal their oil (Iraq).  God is not pleased by a nation that loves witchcraft (Harry Potter). God is extremely angry with America for her many sins. We are a woeful people in need of God's judgment.

What right do we have to celebrate Christ when we spit on the Bible and disobey the plainest teachings in the Bible... "Thou shalt not kill." Some sinners even mock God by making a joke of abortion at Christmas time... see Planned Parenthood's "Choice on Earth" (instead of the Bible's "Peace on Earth"). America needs a serious whipping from God!

If you truly want to celebrate Jesus' birthday, then do it quietly without making the retailers richer. Use that money to help the poor. Jesus is in Heaven today, He wants us to help the poor. Don't be like the wicked world who only give ONCE a year, we should give to the poor at all times. Is it nothing to you?

~by David J. Stewart

"There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men." —Proverb 30:14

Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:44:49 PM EDT
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I don’t remember when the Santa Claus myth was popped for me, but I do have a distinct emotional memory of feeling like a chump.


Weird.  When I figured it out, I felt pretty smart and grown up.  I helped my Mom and Dad keep up the magic for my little brother.  They put me to work playing Santa by getting the presents out of their hiding spot and putting them under the tree after my little brother went to sleep.


Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:47:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:47:22 PM EDT
[#8]
DEAR EDITOR: I am 8 years old.
"Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus.
"Papa says, 'If you see it in THE SUN it's so.'
"Please tell me the truth; is there a Santa Claus?

"VIRGINIA O'HANLON.
"115 WEST NINETY-FIFTH STREET."

VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except [what] they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.

Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

You may tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.


 


Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:49:45 PM EDT
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I don’t remember when the Santa Claus myth was popped for me, but I do have a distinct emotional memory of feeling like a chump.


Weird.  When I figured it out, I felt pretty smart and grown up.  I helped my Mom and Dad keep up the magic for my little brother.  They put me to work playing Santa by getting the presents out of their hiding spot and putting them under the tree after my little brother went to sleep.




I'm not saying the experience scarred me or anythng.  Heck, maybe it was a good life lesson in gullibility.

If the overwhelming number of respondents feel I'm in the wrong I'll reconsider my position. Nothing wrong with reality checking onself.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:50:33 PM EDT
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Who thinks that they were damaged because their parents 'lied' to them about Santa Claus?




I was born on Christmas Day and I remember turning 9 and doubting the whole story, but not giving a shit either way.





I do however remember my parents being neurotic and petty and arguing over ridiculous bullshit. Sound familiar, OP?


SNAP!



 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:51:18 PM EDT
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I don’t remember when the Santa Claus myth was popped for me, but I do have a distinct emotional memory of feeling like a chump.


Weird.  When I figured it out, I felt pretty smart and grown up.  I helped my Mom and Dad keep up the magic for my little brother.  They put me to work playing Santa by getting the presents out of their hiding spot and putting them under the tree after my little brother went to sleep.




I'm not saying the experience scarred me or anythng.  Heck, maybe it was a good life lesson in gullibility.

If the overwhelming number of respondents feel I'm in the wrong I'll reconsider my position. Nothing wrong with reality checking onself.


Well, right or wrong, our real goal here is to get you worked up  We are decent enough not to tell you how to run your kid though

Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:52:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Making your kids believe in Santa teaches your kids at an early age that lying is ok. Santa has g-dlike abilities––everywhere on earth at the same time, he knows if you've been good or bad.

What else does religion lie to us about?

When the kid grows up and realizes you lied about Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny, maybe you lied about G-d too? Oh, but this time you really mean it.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:53:33 PM EDT
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I don’t remember when the Santa Claus myth was popped for me, but I do have a distinct emotional memory of feeling like a chump.


Weird.  When I figured it out, I felt pretty smart and grown up.  I helped my Mom and Dad keep up the magic for my little brother.  They put me to work playing Santa by getting the presents out of their hiding spot and putting them under the tree after my little brother went to sleep.




I'm not saying the experience scarred me or anythng.  Heck, maybe it was a good life lesson in gullibility.

If the overwhelming number of respondents feel I'm in the wrong I'll reconsider my position. Nothing wrong with reality checking onself.


Well, right or wrong, our real goal here is to get you worked up  We are decent enough not to tell you how to run your kid though



Placid as a lake at sunrise, but thanks for asking.  However, I do notice some people seem a bit overly concerned.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:54:25 PM EDT
[#14]
Hells yeah! I like fat men creeping into the house at night.



Best thing that ever happened was then the Ruskies shot that fat fuck down coming over the arctic circle.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:55:46 PM EDT
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Making your kids believe in Santa teaches your kids at an early age that lying is ok. Santa has g-dlike abilities––everywhere on earth at the same time, he knows if you've been good or bad.

What else does religion lie to us about?

When the kid grows up and realizes you lied about Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny, maybe you lied about G-d too? Oh, but this time you really mean it.


Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:58:08 PM EDT
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I don’t remember when the Santa Claus myth was popped for me, but I do have a distinct emotional memory of feeling like a chump.


Weird.  When I figured it out, I felt pretty smart and grown up.  I helped my Mom and Dad keep up the magic for my little brother.  They put me to work playing Santa by getting the presents out of their hiding spot and putting them under the tree after my little brother went to sleep.




I'm not saying the experience scarred me or anythng.  Heck, maybe it was a good life lesson in gullibility.

If the overwhelming number of respondents feel I'm in the wrong I'll reconsider my position. Nothing wrong with reality checking onself.


Well, right or wrong, our real goal here is to get you worked up  We are decent enough not to tell you how to run your kid though



Placid as a lake at sunrise, but thanks for asking.  However, I do notice some people seem a bit overly concerned.


It is a good, polarizing question.  Honestly, I'm enjoying the topic despite my attempts to throw some wrenches into it.  I have a kid on the way, so these parenting topics stick out and are of great interest to me.  Honestly, I don't want to deemphasize the actual reason for the holiday, but do not think I can let go of tradition.  Please reference my first response for my current and honest feelings on the subject.  Everything after that is just me being a PITA  I hope you can find the right answer for yourself
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:58:45 PM EDT
[#17]
You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.

I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 9:59:19 PM EDT
[#18]
Setting the poll aside, this thread is proof of what Christmas really is.
Sit now and think to yourself about all the great memories you have during this time of year.  I have them too.  Think about yourself, your family, and the loved ones around you.  Remember the good times.  Remember how you were feeling.  Think about the times of true genuine happiness.  
Now, expand that search.  Don't just remember the good things.  Remember it all. Really sit and remember it. Use your years after puberty for this exercise.  Set aside the joy of a child unwrapping a present - your own joy and the joy of your own children.  Think about exactly how you celebrated the holiday itself, and how you were feeling and were acting in the days leading up to it.  Think about the other adults and what they were doing and how they were acting.  Think about your worst Christmas.  Think back to every year, for as long as you can remember.  Think about what you were doing and how you felt.  Remember.  
Let it all sink in.  Be honest about it.  
Now weigh it.
 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:00:40 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.



I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/



I don't, either.



But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.



 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:05:13 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.

I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/

I don't, either.

But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.
 


Exactly what I hope to avoid.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:06:50 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.



I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/



I don't, either.



But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.

 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?





 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:07:46 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.

I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/

I don't, either.

But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.
 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?

 


Some will say that it is the devil.  They have a point, despite my attempts to roll my eyes as noticeably as possible

Can't call everything false witness.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:08:57 PM EDT
[#23]
There is always that one kid in kindergarten. You don't want your daughter to be that kid do you?
ETA: I've thought about this a bit more and I can't image Christmas without Santa.  Some of my best memories as a child was waking my younger sisters up at 5 or 6 a.m. and leading them downstairs to see what Santa had left us. Even after I figured out Santa wasn't real I let the myth go on with my sisters and still woke them up early to go look at the presents "Santa" had left.





Even today my favorite part of Christmas is all the little kids in my family showing off what Santa brought them when the family gets together. There is just something special about the idea of a magical person giving you presents for being good.



ETA:2 what are you going to do about the toothfairy?





 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:09:36 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.

I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/

I don't, either.

But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.
 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?

 


Probably right, but you never can tell for sure, can you?
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:10:08 PM EDT
[#25]
I feel sorry for your child.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:10:10 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.



I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/



I don't, either.



But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.

 




Exactly what I hope to avoid.


I'm actually only posting that stuff to be contrarian.



Look at it this way. Do you tell you kid any stories? Bedtime stories? Read to them from books? If so, you're filling the kid's head with the same thing.



Obviously the Santa myth takes this a bit farther (and some people take it a LOT farther) because you attribute things that happen in your household to that person.



But the fact remains that to a very small child, there isn't a concrete boundary between fantasy and reality. It's why they have imaginary friends, respond to television programs, and can play for hours with dolls or stuffed toys.



They don't separate the two the way we do as adults. Most children discover for themselves that Santa is not real just about the time they start making clear discernments between fantasy stories and reality. Sometimes it lasts just a bit longer because of the physical interaction of 'Santa,' but ultimately, I don't think it's damaging.



 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:10:27 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.

I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/

I don't, either.

But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.
 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?

 


Probably right, but you never can tell for sure, can you?


Santa is the work of ALIENS



and the debil

Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:11:08 PM EDT
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The season is secular, the holiday itself is religious.  Don't overcomplicate this.  The whole myth is as American as apple pie.  Don't deprive her, or make her the weird one out of her friends.  

Kids usually figure it out by 5 or 6 anyways.  They just keep up the act because they don't want you to get them less presents.  Trust me on this point


I thought it was Dutch or something.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:11:36 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.





I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/





I don't, either.





But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.


 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?





 






Some will say that it is the devil.  They have a point, despite my attempts to roll my eyes as noticeably as possible





Can't call everything false witness.



My point is that something like that doesn't come from parents playing Santa Claus, and you cannot identify a single source. That comes from experiences and social interactions with peers, lying without consequence to avoid discipline, etc. Not from waking up to a basket of jelly beans that your parents told you came from a fucking magic rabbit.





 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:12:28 PM EDT
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The season is secular, the holiday itself is religious.  Don't overcomplicate this.  The whole myth is as American as apple pie.  Don't deprive her, or make her the weird one out of her friends.  

Kids usually figure it out by 5 or 6 anyways.  They just keep up the act because they don't want you to get them less presents.  Trust me on this point


I thought it was Dutch or something.


Originally European, but the hyper-commericialization and emphasis on it is pure American.  As is the entire Christmas holiday.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:13:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:13:26 PM EDT
[#32]
Fund me one adult who feels damaged because they were lied to about fucking Santa.  Let the kids enjoy it. They will figure it out when the time is right. There is no bad side to Santa.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:13:53 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.

I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/

I don't, either.

But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.
 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?

 


Some will say that it is the devil.  They have a point, despite my attempts to roll my eyes as noticeably as possible

Can't call everything false witness.

My point is that something like that doesn't come from parents playing Santa Claus, and you cannot identify a single source. That comes from social interactions with peers, lying without consequence to avoid discipline, etc. Not from waking up to a basket of jelly beans that your parents told you came from a fucking magic rabbit.
 


oh I agree 100%.  I'm just verbalizing what others here would say (if this thread was started before their bedtime)
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:17:23 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.



I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/



I don't, either.



But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.

 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?



 
Why wouldn't it be, in reality? I was playing, but seriously consider what society does with something like the Santa myth. You spend several years engaged in false story telling, usually backed by false physical evidence, all intended to deceive a being that is, for all intents and purposes, incapable of knowing any better at the time. All of this is done, of course, as a symbol of how much you 'love the child.'



I would be interested to see how parents react of years later the same child enacts a similar campaign of subterfuge against them. I doubt they'd find find it very loving at all.



Ultimately, I don't think that Santa causes some sort of irreparable mental harm to kids. But these arguments that someone's kid will be weird, or that the parents are over reacting for not wanting to participate are a little silly. It's somehow expected that everyone will lie to their child about X, Y, or Z, based solely on the fact that we were lied to by our parents about X. Y. or Z?





 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:19:22 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.

I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/

I don't, either.

But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.
 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?

 
Why wouldn't it be, in reality? I was playing, but seriously consider what society does with something like the Santa myth. You spend several years engaged in false story telling, usually backed by false physical evidence, all intended to deceive a being that is, for all intents and purposes, incapable of knowing any better at the time. All of this is done, of course, as a symbol of how much you 'love the child.'

I would be interested to see how parents react of years later the same child enacts a similar campaign of subterfuge against them. I doubt they'd find find it very loving at all.

Ultimately, I don't think that Santa causes some sort of irreparable mental harm to kids. But these arguments that someone's kid will be weird, or that the parents are over reacting for not wanting to participate are a little silly. It's somehow expected that everyone will lie to their child about X, Y, or Z, based solely on the fact that we were lied to by our parents about X. Y. or Z?

 


Its good to let your kids know who the alpha is once in a while.

Mental tricks and subterfuge are good.   It prepares them to correctly doubt in the future when presented with situations where someone may not actually be who they say.....  You don't want your kids to be entirely trusting of some guy that fits whatever image society says they should meet.

Kids are tough.  Make them tougher, and reward the shit out of them when you can.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:20:29 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.





I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/





I don't, either.





But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.


 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?





 
Why wouldn't it be, in reality? I was playing, but seriously consider what society does with something like the Santa myth. You spend several years engaged in false story telling, usually backed by false physical evidence, all intended to deceive a being that is, for all intents and purposes, incapable of knowing any better at the time. All of this is done, of course, as a symbol of how much you 'love the child.'





I would be interested to see how parents react of years later the same child enacts a similar campaign of subterfuge against them. I doubt they'd find find it very loving at all.





 



I would absolutely love it if I came home to a mowed lawn and my kid told me that Santa Claus did it.





 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:25:40 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.



I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/



I don't, either.



But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.

 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?



 
Why wouldn't it be, in reality? I was playing, but seriously consider what society does with something like the Santa myth. You spend several years engaged in false story telling, usually backed by false physical evidence, all intended to deceive a being that is, for all intents and purposes, incapable of knowing any better at the time. All of this is done, of course, as a symbol of how much you 'love the child.'



I would be interested to see how parents react of years later the same child enacts a similar campaign of subterfuge against them. I doubt they'd find find it very loving at all.



 


I would absolutely love it if I came home to a mowed lawn and my kid told me that Santa Claus did it.

 


And you'd have him in to see a shrink if he continued to insist over a period of years that Santa was always doing it, all the while taking great pains to avoid ever being seen, and carefully concocting physical evidence of this unseen worker that was purpose designed to fool you.



 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:26:28 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.

I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/

I don't, either.

But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.
 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?

 
Why wouldn't it be, in reality? I was playing, but seriously consider what society does with something like the Santa myth. You spend several years engaged in false story telling, usually backed by false physical evidence, all intended to deceive a being that is, for all intents and purposes, incapable of knowing any better at the time. All of this is done, of course, as a symbol of how much you 'love the child.'

I would be interested to see how parents react of years later the same child enacts a similar campaign of subterfuge against them. I doubt they'd find find it very loving at all.

 

I would absolutely love it if I came home to a mowed lawn and my kid told me that Santa Claus did it.
 

And you'd have him in to see a shrink if he continued to insist over a period of years that Santa was always doing it, all the while taking great pains to avoid ever being seen, and carefully concocting physical evidence of this unseen worker that was purpose designed to fool you.
 


nope
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:26:59 PM EDT
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It's a very fun part of being a kid.  I found out on my own at about 6 that it wasn't real.  I wasn't mad about it, and never bitter at my parents for lying to me.  
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:28:07 PM EDT
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Yes, don't be a douche
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 10:45:40 PM EDT
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You aren't religious but assume you want your child to believe someone can be totally selfless and have a good idol? Even the most perfect human is not that. When Jesus isn't your thing, Santa is even more important. Don't underestimate the importance of a child's innocence and naiveness in their development for the better. Let them be young, learn, and grow.



I don't know anyone that says they hate their parents for lying about Santa. :/



I don't, either.



But I do know at least one that learned it was okay to lie to your loved ones about shit that you think is trivial at the time.

 
Do you REALLY think that Santa Claus is the root of that? Really?



 
Why wouldn't it be, in reality? I was playing, but seriously consider what society does with something like the Santa myth. You spend several years engaged in false story telling, usually backed by false physical evidence, all intended to deceive a being that is, for all intents and purposes, incapable of knowing any better at the time. All of this is done, of course, as a symbol of how much you 'love the child.'



I would be interested to see how parents react of years later the same child enacts a similar campaign of subterfuge against them. I doubt they'd find find it very loving at all.



 


I would absolutely love it if I came home to a mowed lawn and my kid told me that Santa Claus did it.

 


And you'd have him in to see a shrink if he continued to insist over a period of years that Santa was always doing it, all the while taking great pains to avoid ever being seen, and carefully concocting physical evidence of this unseen worker that was purpose designed to fool you.

 




We did the Santa thing. You don't have to go to ridiculous lengths of deception, just do the
Santa thing, put out the cookies and milk, and have fun. We didn't hold the "Santa Claus is
watching you" over their heads or anything. When they
figure it out, they figure it out.

The way I handled it with my kids was this: When my oldest raised the BS flag, I said "As long as you believe in Santa, you keep getting the Santa presents. Get it? *wink* Now don't you dare ruin it for your little sister, she still has a few years left." He was happy with that result.

So, did I lie and argue with him? No. When he figured it out, he got to "join the secret club" that we all belong to. We all enjoy it. The kids still get stockings and Santa presents still show up on Christmas morning. They probably will until they leave home.



 
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 11:10:11 PM EDT
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Sure, take your kids when they're most trusting and innocent and tell them big fat lies. It's okay because they probably won't hate you for it. Disregard any moral objection you may have, because everyone else does it. And the first thing every parent teaches their kids is do what everyone else does, no matter what. It's empirically proven that children cannot enjoy Christmas stories unless they actually believe them, which is why kids will only watch C-SPAN and read textbooks.

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Kids love Christmas, whether they believe Santa is real or not, so what's the point.
Link Posted: 11/16/2011 11:15:10 PM EDT
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I remember being very angry at my parents when I found out they had been lieing about Santa.

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Link Posted: 11/17/2011 12:04:06 AM EDT
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For fuck's sake.


I still believe. I'm hoping for a new 1911 or BCM upper to be under the tree this year.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 3:14:22 AM EDT
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It's part of the fun of being an American kid (either Christian or secular).

Let your kids a have a little fun and magic in their lives before they learn the world is largely a shit hole.
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It's part of the fun of being an American kid (either Christian or secular).

Let your kids a have a little fun and magic in their lives before they learn the world is largely a shit hole.


Well said.
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I don’t remember when the Santa Claus myth was popped for me, but I do have a distinct emotional memory of feeling like a chump.


Weird.  When I figured it out, I felt pretty smart and grown up.  I helped my Mom and Dad keep up the magic for my little brother.  They put me to work playing Santa by getting the presents out of their hiding spot and putting them under the tree after my little brother went to sleep.




I'm not saying the experience scarred me or anythng.  Heck, maybe it was a good life lesson in gullibility.

If the overwhelming number of respondents feel I'm in the wrong I'll reconsider my position. Nothing wrong with reality checking onself.


Or perhaps it's a sign that not everything in life has to be rational, or based on cold, hard facts.  I'm as rational as they come.  Evolution is real and I'm an atheist.  That's based on the cold, hard evidence.  But Santa Claus is about a feeling.  He's about building magic for OTHER people.  You are not "fooling" your kid.  You're a building magical world for them for a few years.  They'll experience the rational world soon enough.

Link Posted: 11/17/2011 3:24:08 AM EDT
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Making your kids believe in Santa teaches your kids at an early age that lying is ok. Santa has g-dlike abilities––everywhere on earth at the same time, he knows if you've been good or bad.

What else does religion lie to us about?

When the kid grows up and realizes you lied about Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny, maybe you lied about G-d too? Oh, but this time you really mean it.


Everything.  But that's not the point of this thread.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 3:26:27 AM EDT
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OP, I agree with your attitude. I don't have any kids yet so I can't relate and parenting tales but I can tell you that you sounded a lot like my dad in the op and I always appreciated it. My mom always tried convincing me and my brothers Santa was real, y dad always chuckled and made some smartass comment about himself being Santa which would piss off momma. But anyhow, my dad's reasoning was he won't lie to his sons about Santa because he wants a bond of trust with his boys. It's something I have always appreciated from him.
Link Posted: 11/17/2011 3:39:49 AM EDT
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Go with Christmas.
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