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From what you've said whatever you get her is irrelevant.



She's not going to use it on a trespasser.

Fences, ditches, better gates, locks. One of my ranges has a gate  you'd have to bulldoze down. Some concrete, steel and the right design and they're in business.

One of my bros, "Crazy Mac", would plug any (unoccupied) vehicle with his HiPower. The word got around.



We did this with good success at a duck club. If you can channel traffic it's a good tactic. We didn't have to bother. The idiots cut our fence in the same locations- lazy turds. Boards, big ass nails, shallow trench and some leaves.

Push that four wheeler home, douche!

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water bar the road.  

If you make it so the people have walk into the property, opposed to drive.  That should get rid of the majority of them.
Aside from that.  Game cameras and no trespassing/private property signs.  Then turn the pictures over to the local LEO agency.

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M1 carbine... or I shudder to say it a Mini-14 might fit the bill here for your mother too.



It seems wooden stocks and no pistol grips are a common theme when mentally getting quasi-anti's over the "firepower hump" as it were.

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If you're going to fence the land, find a farmer with some cows and let him put some cows on the land.  Specifically, you want a couple of cows with the biggest nastiest horns you can find.  Mind you, the cows should be as friendly and docile as possible.  This ensures that every time people appear, the cows will come running (for grain), but won't actually hurt anyone.  In my experience, people think cows with horns are man-eaters.

This has worked effectively on three different pieces of land where we've had serious trespassing problems.

You can also go with ostriches or llamas, but they are generally territorial may actually take a piece out of someone.

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out here they would hunt them !

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I also have a wonderful ghillie suit and I think a fun weekend could be had popping up out of nowhere and giving some verbal warnings about being somewhere you shouldn't.....I may even have some buddies to help.

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In 2010, an Arfcommer was sent to prison by a military court for a crime he didn't commit. This man promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Seattle underground. Today, still wanted by the government, he survives as a soldier of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find him, maybe you can hire the E-Team.



Seriously, though. I'll kill them all for tree fiddy.



If you can't afford the tree fiddy, I'd recommend that you have Mom start wandering around with Fox Labs and/or a Taser if she isn't DTF with the G19.

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Plant blackberry bushes and other thorny things in places where they often walk.

Put up signs warning about how you're trapping the area. Hell, put up some traps too.

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Weld the gate shut.  Place boulders or a huge dirt berm on the road behind the gate.  Might as well get both sides of the property at the same time.

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"But officer –– I have a bear license!  Of course I have bear traps!"

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Not a good idea in WA, it will bring the DFW snooping around since leg hold traps were banned in WA several years ago.

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At the range I used to be a member of, they had a locked gate - now a padlock gets shot off every time, so they had a system where there was a tubular steel assembly with a slot that the gate tongue fit into.  the padlock goes INSIDE this, so it cant be shot off, everything is heavy guage steel.  Find a metal fabrication shop and be prepared to pay.

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I need some creative ideas to help my parents out. They live in the Seattle area and bought property near Aberdeen/Gray's Harbor about ten years ago. It's a 40 acre parcel with a road going thru it. The road has always been gated and closed to the public, but was considered a county road because of an agreement made in the early 1900's with the land owners. Between then and now, the county failed to live up to it's end of the bargain and after years of tormenting the County Comissioners trying to get them to vacate the road and more importantly let them build on their own property, the road is private again.



Do you have a Deed from the County conveying the Roadway Right-of-Way Easement back to your folks? Without a Deed, nothing has conveyed.



Ok, so getting back to the land: The woods around their property have been logged by Weyerhouser, and people just LOVE to come out there to dump trash, shoot, go on a walkabout etc. My parents have been polite for several years, telling them to leave, putting signs up etc. They are still having problems-the locks on the gates get cut off, the signs get shot, and directly telling people they aren't supposed to be there is a serious problem now. My mother spends a lot of time there thru the week while my dad is at work, she's going from Middle Aged to Little Old Ladyhood. The last time she tried to tell one of these guys to leave, he cussed her out, told her that my parents didn't belong there, was a general asshole. He was also armed-he had a rifle with him.



Try some No Tresspassing signs that also state that "This property patroled by armed security". Armed mo-fo comes on my property and gives me grief, I call the law. Cutting the lock off may be 'breaking and entering', surely 'criminal tresspass'. Go see the Sheriff.



My mom is a 1960's era farm girl turned pacifist. She's not ideologically opposed to 'guns', but not really into the idea of anything other than hunting and target rifles. My Dad was in the USAF in the 1970's and has little use for guns. In the past they have made mention of getting something like a Remington 700 "for bears and cougar" while on the property. Well, I think they have thawed out a little-my Mom mentioned getting a rifle again for "Just in case", so I offered her my CMP Garand (Get off my lawn (TM) and a lot faster follow up shots than a Rem. 700) not being too sure what my Dad would think about it. Turns out that he's ok with the idea so I have been going about getting the gun set up for low light shooting by non-gun people. I picked up a scout rail for it and will probably fit it with a Reflex sight and a flashlight.



IMHO a Garrand is too much weapon for a 'little old lady'...it's heavy, it has a lot of recoil, and it's limited on rounds. The last thing you want is for her to try and wield a rifle she can't handle. That's a recipe for disaster! Get her an AR pistol or something she can handle. Lighter weight, more rounds, less recoil.



What I need are ideas on how to stop the trespassing problem. Mom is already asking me about game cameras-which I know little about-to catch these guys. I like the idea of getting their license plate numbers and sending them warning letters if plate numbers are public information in WA state. If I had my way, I'd go out and spend a week camping there and send a few packing "my way", but that isn't realistic or feasible.



What have you guys done to fix trespassing problems on properties that you can't stay at full time? My parents are starting their construction plans and I'd hate to see everything they do get burned to the ground by some shithead who thinks he has more right to the property than they do because he has trespassed there for the last 20 years.



Get you Mom a cell-phone and put 911 on speed dial. Teach her not to hesitate to report armed intruders to the Sheriff....and go see the Sheriff to let him know the situation....or just shoot a couple of the tresspassers...word will get around soon enough.

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Have them find a good friend that hunts and "sell" them a hunting lease. Cost for said lease is making sure that no one else trespasses on the property. Hunters will defend "their" turf like nobody's business. And that SHOULD help with the dangerous animal issues as well.

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Talk to a tow company about putting up their signs.  For them it is like panning for gold.

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Hang a trespasser on the fence?

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Only legal thing I can think of is post the property, run fencing and call the police/file trespass charges against everyone you catch on the property.

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I'm pretty sure that won't fly with my parents. If I could get her anything, it would be a 9mm AR-we are talking about a retirement aged woman who has not shot a gun since she was a kid, there's no sense in getting her something that she won't use.

Hmm.... Marlin Camp 9.... I just need to find something that she won't get freaked out about-they aren't at a point where they need to walk their property with an AR at all times yet, that's a pretty big psychological leap for my parents.

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Trespassers will be shot signs all over the place. Then once in a  while pour some deer or cow blood in an area and rope it off with police tape where they can see it.

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went back and read the OP. get them guns they can handle, they are asking for them. if i had a bonehead on my land,ARMED, telling me i didnt belong there... id ask him nice to put the rifle down on the ground ONCE. sounds like you may have to let the locals know some things. good luck.