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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:51:16 PM EDT
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LOL, my sister in law is a HS counselor, brother in law is a HS teacher and wife is a state case manager social worker. I had it out with all of them at the Christmas night dinner and look forward to the new years dinner.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:58:03 PM EDT
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I have been back and forth all day with my cousin who claims she is pro-2nd , buts wants to ban all "assault weapons" . I have thrown every bit of knowledge I have at her as to what the simple words of "right to bear arms" and "shall not be infringed" truly mean. She is a very nice person , her intentions are good , she cares for the safety of her children and others , but simply can not grasp the true concept of the 2nd. Why don't some people get it? No matter how I try to word it ,no matter how many hours I type out explanations , she just simply does not think civilians should own AR-15's , AK's etc. I am just convinced she watches too much main stream media. My head hurts trying to defend 2A but I will not stop until these people "get it". Had this argument with my sister at Christmas, and here's how I turned it around: "Sis, there may come a day when a deranged lunatic breaks into your home to rape/maim/kill you, and then do God-knows-what to the kids. Were that to happen, the only thing standing between him and your children is the gun in your hand. When you shoot someone, it's not like the movies where a single bullet sends a bad guy flying across the room. Someone hopped up on PCP or crystal meth might take fifteen, twenty, or even thirty or more bullets to stop. Where the hell does the government get off telling you that the actions of a deranged, sick few should compromise your ability to defend YOUR children? That's BULLSHIT! You're not crazy, you're a damn good Mother who would defend her kids at all costs. Why should your ability to defend YOUR children be compromised by a sick lunatic? How is that right?" At that point my sister was fucking fired up, and pissed that the government was trying to tell her that the life of her family wasn't worth having the most effective tools available. The best way to deal with someone who bases their decisions on emotion instead of reason is to take those emotions and channel them in the direction you want. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:09:35 PM EDT
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I feel your pain.
I've been able to sway a few moderates who think they are pro-2A but don't like "Assault Weapons" by explaining that fallacy (auto vs. semi-auto) behind this media phrase for these semi-auto weapons, then explaining to them that many .223 cal rounds do not have the over-penetration (high velocity and low bullet weight) that many handgun calibers have which is why they are good for home defense weapons... ...then I remind them that in a stressful situation in the middle of the night, I don't want my wife to have to protect our kids if I am working late and have to worry about reloading simply because some politition made some subjective decision to limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds (or whatever)! I can't say it works on all of them, but some actually see the logic! |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:33:20 PM EDT
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You have to use facts that directly contradict the emotional talking points. The want to ban "assault weapons" "for the children": point out that 5 times as many children drown annually as the total number of people killed by all rifles, let alone "assault weapons". Your chances of getting killed by an "assault weapon" is probably less than you chances of being killed by lightning; etc.
The point you need to make is that getting killed in a mass shooting or by an EBR is like getting killed in a plane crash: it gets the talking heads all hot and bothered and makes the news, but it's so rare that it might as well be a statistical non-event. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:11:09 PM EDT
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"I know it won't stop this.... but we have to do SOMETHING."
***MUST NOT SLAP*** CONTROL.... FAILING.... |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:13:38 PM EDT
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Do you guys really think we're going to fight off some new civil war with Ar15s? If you think this is true then I probably shouldn't bother typing anymore. But as other have said. When you're down in the woods playing rambo and the M1A1 abrams comes rolling down the street while Drones are spraying hellfire missiles on you......... You're living in a fantasy land if you think the populace is going to go to war with our government. They have more power and more organization than we could dream of. What have you got? An Ar15 and local militias made up of fat guys. Drones only work if there are aircrews alive to fly them. You don't have a clue. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:16:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: I just got sucked into a conversation, via the online comments section of a local paper, with a genius who made claims like this: "Technically, an AR-15 is basically not an assault rifle, but, when a large capacity magazine is used, it is then an assault weapon. The m-16, military version of the Ar-15 has a selector that allows one to fire semi-automatic, one round at a time, or automatic, 3 round bursts. The large capacity magazine when used in conjunction with the Ar-15 gives you the same effect as an M-16 firing in 3 round bursts." and: "The papers, individual of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and others were their private wishes and thoughts, not necessarily the thoughts and wishes of the majority of those that ratified the constitution. So, one has to be careful in trying to interpret their importance in the final document, The Constitution of the United States." He also later tried to show his knowledge of firearms by telling me that, "the AK-47, 7.62 nato round is superior than the M-16. The only reason the U. S. didn't adopt it is because it was invented and made by the soviets, our perceived enemy." When I pointed out that the round used in the AK-47 was obviously not the 7.62 NATO round I got this explanation: "The 7.62x39 round was a shrewd move by the Russians. The projectile meets the qualifications of being a Nato round, even though the housing doesn't hold as much powder and is smaller. Some 7.62x39 rounds make up for the decrease in velocity by having an air pocket in the inner tip of the projectile, giving it more devastating power. That means also that the russians can fire our 7.62x51 rounds into their ak 47 but we can't fire their in our rifles. Pretty slick move, don't you think?"  Talk about brain hurting... Dear Sir, I will meet you at any range of your choosing with an ak-47 and a 7.62X51 rounds. $2000 says you are full of shit. PS: You get to pull the trigger. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 6:25:17 PM EDT
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Do you guys really think we're going to fight off some new civil war with Ar15s? If you think this is true then I probably shouldn't bother typing anymore. But as other have said. When you're down in the woods playing rambo and the M1A1 abrams comes rolling down the street while Drones are spraying hellfire missiles on you......... You're living in a fantasy land if you think the populace is going to go to war with our government. They have more power and more organization than we could dream of. What have you got? An Ar15 and local militias made up of fat guys. Troll, do you understand how an insurgency works? |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 6:41:29 PM EDT
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Yep, to really admit that the founder were scared of a central government leading to tyranny is easy to explain, getting folks to admit that it could happen today is next to impossible.
I think the reality of the 2nd Amendment scares a lot of people. I am reminded of the Jews in Poland early 1939. Tell them to research the battle of Athens Tenn for a modern example |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:31:27 PM EDT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
The battlePolls for the county election opened August 1, 1946. About 200 armed deputies turned out to patrol the precincts—the normal complement of 15 deputies significantly augmented by reinforcements from other counties. There were a number of conflicts before the polls closed, the most serious of which was when deputy CM Wise shot and wounded a black man who was trying to vote. As the polls closed, deputies seized ballot boxes and removed them to the jail. Opposition veterans responded by arming themselves and marching on the jail. Some of them had raided the National Guard Armory, obtaining additional arms and ammunition. Estimates of the number of veterans besieging the jail vary, from several hundred to as high as 2,000. When they reached the jail it was barricaded against them, manned by 55 deputies. The ballot boxes were demanded, and the demand refused. The veterans then opened fire on the jail, initiating a battle that lasted several hours by some accounts, considerably less by others. In the end, the front porch of the jail was dynamited, effectively breaching the door. The barricaded deputies surrendered, some with injuries, and the ballot boxes were recovered. During the fight at the jail, rioting had broken out in Athens, mainly targeting police cars. This continued even after the ballot boxes had been recovered, but had subsided by morning. The aftermathThe recovered ballots certified the election of the five GI Non-Partisan League candidates. Among the reforms instituted was a change in the method of payment and a $5,000 salary cap for officials. In the initial momentum of victory, gambling houses, in collusion with the Cantrell regime, were raided and their operations demolished. Deputies of the prior administration resigned and were replaced. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:23:42 PM EDT
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Please ignore this troll .... [/quote] Yep, join date, post count, etc. All the indicators are there. 
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:29:46 PM EDT
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As I've started saying to people...
"Your car has come closer to killing people, especially small children, than my "assault rifle" has..."
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:35:21 PM EDT
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Ask her what happened to all the Jews in Germany that gave up their gun rights or never had them in the first place...
First learn the meaning of "Assault Rifle", semi-auto rifles are NOT assault rifles. Accurate definitions make a difference, an semi-auto rifle is no more an assault rifle than a post-op transvestite is a women. The British in the 1770's didn't like the idea of us owning muskets either. Ask her what she would rather have a black-powder muzzle loader to defend her kids or one where she just has to pull the trigger to fire one single shot... How ask her again and tell her there are two bad guys, or three.... It wasn't the semi-auto guns the killed those kids it was the wacko. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:39:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:47:46 PM EDT
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I asked a simple question - backed up with CDC information - which was enough to enrage the libtard I was asking, and a similar question should be posed to these emotional mothers: If we're going to ban guns because they're such a danger to children, when are we going to have the conversation about banning bathtubs, swimming pools, and cars??
Then direct them to the following information: National Drowning Statistics 2011 Also, if you look up the death statistics via the CDC, motor vehicle accidents are FAR more dangerous to children than firearms. So if they want to get all weepy and emotional about something, get emotional because they put their kids in the damn car in the morning or because they want to bathe them. Have a real conversation about REAL threats to childrens' lives. And when they say "Oh...well the drownings are accidents..." I think it's prudent to ask "Does that make them any less dead?" |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:49:38 PM EDT
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Listen, and calmly address their points one at a time. Don't get sucked into trap questions. Questions like "why do you need ____" are best answered by explaining why _____ isn't a factor in crime.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 11:04:56 PM EDT
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I cannot stand Anti's. My mother-in-law (the only lib on my wifes side) says if someone breaks into her house then she will let fate take it's place.
I said what if you could intervene fate and preserve your life? no answer. Whatever the fuck ever, they will be the last people I defend. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:35:24 AM EDT
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I cannot stand Anti's. My mother-in-law (the only lib on my wifes side) says if someone breaks into her house then she will let fate take it's place.
I said what if you could intervene fate and preserve your life? no answer. Whatever the fuck ever, they will be the last people I defend. Ask her if fate would be good enough for her grandkids. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:37:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: I cannot stand Anti's. My mother-in-law (the only lib on my wifes side) says if someone breaks into her house then she will let fate take it's place. I said what if you could intervene fate and preserve your life? no answer. Whatever the fuck ever, they will be the last people I defend. She doesn't understand fate. Fate is what happens no matter WHAT you do. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:49:00 AM EDT
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Do you guys really think we're going to fight off some new civil war with Ar15s? If you think this is true then I probably shouldn't bother typing anymore. But as other have said. When you're down in the woods playing rambo and the M1A1 abrams comes rolling down the street while Drones are spraying hellfire missiles on you......... You're living in a fantasy land if you think the populace is going to go to war with our government. They have more power and more organization than we could dream of. What have you got? An Ar15 and local militias made up of fat guys. The second amendment is designed ensure the right of self defense and to the limit the tyrannical aspirations of some political types; not wage a frontal war on a modern military. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:50:54 AM EDT
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For a simple ordinary man like me it is very simple.........they are stupid.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:55:28 AM EDT
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You have to fight back with emotion.
Also, telling people that ar15s aren't bad because they only shoot 1 bullet at a time is destroying any arguments for repealing Hughes and the NFA. I can dream right? |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:56:35 AM EDT
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I have found this argument to work well in the emotional types.
"Who do you think is more of a threat to your children- me the law abiding gun owner who has never committed a crime, or the registered sex offender who has? Well, then why do you want to actually treat me WORSE than a sex offender because I own firearms? That is what The new AWB does- requires fingerprints, registration, and more on a federal level, not state like sex offenders, and should I wish to take my gun over a state line to shoot it will require me to submit a form asking permission months in advance, no sex offender has to do that. Am I a bigger threat than a sex offender? Of course not. Stop with the irrational fear of objects and start looking at people who have demonstrated by their actions they are a problem- don't make me register like a sex offender,make the people who are violently mentally ill do it, because they a the threat no matter what they pick up as a weapon" I have found that one works well with the ignorant to display the absurdity of the ban and redirect the debate back to the way we allow the violently mentally ill roam the streets uncontrolled. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:57:43 AM EDT
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I think the reality of the 2nd Amendment scares a lot of people. It does. So does freedom. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:58:30 AM EDT
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Your key point here: "emotionally driven mothers" is where you are falling prey to the problem of thinking you can sway their opinion. They don't understand that it's a people problem, not a thing problem. It's easier to think that it's a thing problem, because things don't think for themselves. If it's a people problem, then the solution is incomprehensible to them, therefore, they choose to believe that blaming the thing will accomplish the same goal. They are wrong. It is sad, and I am sorry for them, but they are wrong. You can actually sway these people but it isn't instantaneous. You will never have a conversation with one that ends with them agreeing with you, people can not admit they were wrong but later you just might see that you got through to them and their opinions have changed. Don't give up because you tried to talk to ten people and none of them changed their minds. Wait six months and then see if their opinions are the same, if you did your part they probably are more on your side than they used to be. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:11:22 AM EDT
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Do you guys really think we're going to fight off some new civil war with Ar15s? If you think this is true then I probably shouldn't bother typing anymore. But as other have said. When you're down in the woods playing rambo and the M1A1 abrams comes rolling down the street while Drones are spraying hellfire missiles on you......... You're living in a fantasy land if you think the populace is going to go to war with our government. They have more power and more organization than we could dream of. What have you got? An Ar15 and local militias made up of fat guys. 1) We fat people with our ar15's far outnumber the tanks and drones.. 2) in a civil war the mil and police will be as divided as the populations. 3) Afganistan. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:16:08 AM EDT
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Just ask her how SHE intends to defend HER kids against someone committed on hurting them.
Ask her what she would use and how she would do it Tell her the average response time for police is typically 5 minutes. Ask her how much damage can be done in 5 minutes maybe she will figure it out |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:21:27 AM EDT
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The only way to win an emotionally fueled argument is to use emotion. Say " what kind of mom sends their kids to school that has zero security?" Or "why do I have to defend my family with inadequate guns?" They may not understand the real purpose but maybe they can understand your side. Or, "Why are you mothers so upset about a handful of firearms-related incidents per year when you kill a million plus of your unborn in the same time frame?" Let's try and protect the 2A with facts and reason not bury it further with superstition and ignorance. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:21:50 AM EDT
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I have been back and forth all day with my cousin who claims she is pro-2nd , buts wants to ban all "assault weapons" . I have thrown every bit of knowledge I have at her as to what the simple words of "right to bear arms" and "shall not be infringed" truly mean. She is a very nice person , her intentions are good , she cares for the safety of her children and others , but simply can not grasp the true concept of the 2nd. Why don't some people get it? No matter how I try to word it ,no matter how many hours I type out explanations , she just simply does not think civilians should own AR-15's , AK's etc. I am just convinced she watches too much main stream media. My head hurts trying to defend 2A but I will not stop until these people "get it". You must employ distraction, like we do with 3 year olds when you can't whack them in public. Point out that Cho killed more people with a pair of semi automatic pistols. At the very least it may get her off the "assault weapon" jag. If you're lucky her head may implode. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:24:02 AM EDT
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this is to AmericanGunLover
Do you actually understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights as well as what the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is? It is about PROTECTION against tyranny. Key word there is PROTECTION. Our Founding Fathers wanted the populace to have the right to own weapons to PREVENT the government from becoming tyrannical in nature. It was the THREAT of the armed public that is a final check to the prevention of tyranny. It has nothing to do with the Army, war, hunting, etc. Do I expect to have to fight off hoards with my AR? I sure hope not. Do I see parallels between our current cult of personality president and Hitler in the 30's? Sure do. Do I worry that the push for more gun bans are a first step to a dictatorship here? Absolutely Am I prepared to fight to the death to protect our country from all enemies...foreign and domestic? Sure am. I took that oath many years ago and will live to the end under my oath. Seems like you have a bit of a lack of understanding on American history |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:25:56 AM EDT
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What you have to do is put it into a context she can relate to.
For example, when I was working nights I decided to get my wife a defensive firearm. The first thing I asked her was if she thought she would be able to point one at someone and squeeze the trigger, killing them. If someone can't answer "Yes" they probably shouldn't have a gun in their hands for obvious reasons. She honestly answered, "I don't know." I then pointed out that after a thug broke into the house and had his way with her he would be heading down the hall to our 3-year old daughter's bedroom. Putting the act into a context she could relate to awakened the Mama Bear instincts and she then said "He'd be dead." I'd advise giving her a scenario in which she can visualize a threat to her children, such as someone breaking into the house. If she says she'd call 911, give her an idea of what that would be like. For instance, 5 minutes would be a good response time. Show her what 5 minutes is like with someone breaking into the house. It's an eternity. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:26:17 AM EDT
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Do you guys really think we're going to fight off some new civil war with Ar15s? If you think this is true then I probably shouldn't bother typing anymore. But as other have said. When you're down in the woods playing rambo and the M1A1 abrams comes rolling down the street while Drones are spraying hellfire missiles on you......... You're living in a fantasy land if you think the populace is going to go to war with our government. They have more power and more organization than we could dream of. What have you got? An Ar15 and local militias made up of fat guys. Post count = Check Maybe you are right...maybe you shouldn't be typing here I smell a troll |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:33:24 AM EDT
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.................. Post count = Check Maybe you are right...maybe you shouldn't be typing here I smell a troll His is a typical argument raised by the libtards over the years. And, OF COURSE, he is wrong in assuming 100+ million gun owners would not, in the long term, absolutely slaughter our military. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 3:42:26 AM EDT
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I just got sucked into a conversation, via the online comments section of a local paper, with a genius who made claims like this: -snip- Talk about brain hurting... Dude, how are you still alive after being subjected to idiocy of that magnitude???
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Posted: 12/29/2012 4:13:41 AM EDT
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Me: "You know, if we banned high-capacity airplanes, fewer people would die in the rare occasion that one crashes."
Her: "That's all well and good, but pilots are trained to fly those things. And they have to be licensed by the federal government." Me: "Do you have to be trained and licensed to use an airplane to move you from one city to another? Or do you have the implicit right to do so?" Her:  |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 4:23:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: I have been back and forth all day with my cousin who claims she is pro-2nd , buts wants to ban all "assault weapons" . I have thrown every bit of knowledge I have at her as to what the simple words of "right to bear arms" and "shall not be infringed" truly mean. She is a very nice person , her intentions are good , she cares for the safety of her children and others , but simply can not grasp the true concept of the 2nd. Why don't some people get it? No matter how I try to word it ,no matter how many hours I type out explanations , she just simply does not think civilians should own AR-15's , AK's etc. I am just convinced she watches too much main stream media. My head hurts trying to defend 2A but I will not stop until these people "get it". Then tell her that the 1st Amendment only applies to newspapers and books printed on old printing presses. It was never intended to apply to the Internet, social media, twitter, email, etc., so since she doesn't "need" those they will be taken away. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 4:52:28 AM EDT
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just tell her her address, phone number, name, all info has been posted at a halfway house for excons as well as the fact that she is antigun.
see how long she continues to reside there or keep the same phone number |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 4:56:20 AM EDT
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I was sent this link "Why Not Renew the AWB......"
before you diss, just on the partial title-go read..... |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 5:01:52 AM EDT
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Here is the new one for next year. The 2nd gives us the ability to defend ourselves from all the IRS agents the Republicans hired when they raised our taxes.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 5:11:05 AM EDT
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Show her pictures of this and tell her THIS is why we keep and bear arms.....so this never happens again without a fight.
Think it was only Germany? The work of Pol Pot and the Khmer rouge 
Oh but that was so long ago and so far away. How about Ohio. (that's in America) 
How about America 1993 
That's American law enforcement and American government tanks.. 
More government hijinks 
It can happen anywhere to anybody at anytime in history. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 5:58:06 AM EDT
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Do you guys really think we're going to fight off some new civil war with Ar15s? If you think this is true then I probably shouldn't bother typing anymore. But as other have said. When you're down in the woods playing rambo and the M1A1 abrams comes rolling down the street while Drones are spraying hellfire missiles on you......... You're living in a fantasy land if you think the populace is going to go to war with our government. They have more power and more organization than we could dream of. What have you got? An Ar15 and local militias made up of fat guys. You are living in fantasy land if you think a guerrilla war can not be waged against a modern military. Besides your lack of knowledge of armed conflict can you predict the future? It is the intent of many here that the innate right of free men to keep and bear arms is a liberty that is preserved for generations, not just today. I actually disagree. If a large insurrection occurred in the US, the US military would not be the force you assume it would be. Firstly, at least half the military is comprised of those "bitter clingers to their guns and religion.". Secondly, who do you think makes the ammo and spare parts? Grows and transports the food? Drills, refines, and delivers the fuel? Does depot level maintenance? Yep, largely more of those bitter clingers. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 6:00:20 AM EDT
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Yep, to really admit that the founder were scared of a central government leading to tyranny is easy to explain, getting folks to admit that it could happen today is next to impossible.
I think the reality of the 2nd Amendment scares a lot of people. I am reminded of the Jews in Poland early 1939. And I am reminded of the socialists in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood used them and now is working to destroy them. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 6:03:49 AM EDT
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Do you guys really think we're going to fight off some new civil war with Ar15s? If you think this is true then I probably shouldn't bother typing anymore. But as other have said. When you're down in the woods playing rambo and the M1A1 abrams comes rolling down the street while Drones are spraying hellfire missiles on you......... You're living in a fantasy land if you think the populace is going to go to war with our government. They have more power and more organization than we could dream of. What have you got? An Ar15 and local militias made up of fat guys. Go back to your little liberal hidey hole in Raleigh Post count, location, username..... Troll/plant. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 6:07:21 AM EDT
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Do you guys really think we're going to fight off some new civil war with Ar15s? If you think this is true then I probably shouldn't bother typing anymore.But as other have said. When you're down in the woods playing rambo and the M1A1 abrams comes rolling down the street while Drones are spraying hellfire missiles on you......... You're living in a fantasy land if you think the populace is going to go to war with our government. They have more power and more organization than we could dream of. What have you got? An Ar15 and local militias made up of fat guys. Sounds like a good idea. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 6:13:13 AM EDT
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An Ar15 and local militias made up of fat guys. with a LOT of military / fighting / weapons experience. my how you underestimate I would put any 5 overweight, ex-mil guys here against your liberal, hand wringing, Starbucks swigging crowd any day of the week. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 6:57:44 AM EDT
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Have her watch Heath Ledger's girlfriend get burned to death in the colonial church in "the Patriot"
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Posted: 12/29/2012 7:25:57 AM EDT
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You have to use facts that directly contradict the emotional talking points. The want to ban "assault weapons" "for the children": point out that 5 times as many children drown annually as the total number of people killed by all rifles, let alone "assault weapons". Your chances of getting killed by an "assault weapon" is probably less than you chances of being killed by lightning; etc. The point you need to make is that getting killed in a mass shooting or by an EBR is like getting killed in a plane crash: it gets the talking heads all hot and bothered and makes the news, but it's so rare that it might as well be a statistical non-event. This tactic has proven to not work. Emotional people understand emotion, not fact. If you want to reach them you have to communicate with them on a level they get and that is emotional. Facts don't work, and these people dont understand or care about facts, at ALL. |
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Posted: 12/29/2012 10:06:22 AM EDT
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I don't think going full gun nut is going to help. Keep the argument simple. Focus on the fact that of the three types of firearms used for self-defense, the rifle is by far and away the most accurate, and accuracy is what you want when shooting a firearm at a burglar in your house when there are neighbors and family members close by. Thus there is a suitable need for rifles suited for self-defense, and in this day and age a rifle must be semi-automatic to be a useful self-defense rifle. Lever or bolt-action rifles are simply obsolete for self-defense purposes in a day and age when the criminal is almost certainly going to be carrying a revolver or semi-auto themselves.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 10:13:31 AM EDT
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I have been back and forth all day with my cousin who claims she is pro-2nd , buts wants to ban all "assault weapons" . I have thrown every bit of knowledge I have at her as to what the simple words of "right to bear arms" and "shall not be infringed" truly mean. She is a very nice person , her intentions are good , she cares for the safety of her children and others , but simply can not grasp the true concept of the 2nd. Why don't some people get it? No matter how I try to word it ,no matter how many hours I type out explanations , she just simply does not think civilians should own AR-15's , AK's etc. I am just convinced she watches too much main stream media. My head hurts trying to defend 2A but I will not stop until these people "get it". Tell her that many moms in the Warsaw ghetto felt the same way before being rounded up. And to stop thinking wih her vagina. You're welcome. |
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