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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:10:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 10:13:21 AM EDT by 95thFoot]

Originally Posted By topjimmy:
This is far beyond laziness or gluttony.

When you start urinating and defecating on yourself, you've moved on into the metal illness region.

Obviously she had lost her mind. Some people are just plain crazy.



Her b/f was not so crazy, however. After all, had he done something about this while his meal-ticket g/f was still alive, the gov't checks for rent and food might have stopped coming in, and the lazy, Budweiser-swilling bum would then have to get a job. He couldn't have given a damn about her beyond the $$. Notice how he is now among the missing, as are her adopted children....
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:48:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
Question for the doctors.

Why can't they liposuction people like this?
I understand people die from liposuction, and especially when it is overdone.
But shouldn't a huge person be able to stand losing 10 lbs at a time, or some such number?
Are they too weak to recover and they get infected?
Wouldn't the benefits outweigh the risks?



Just brief rambling from me, there are those more expert than I. For a surgical weight-loss intervention to work, the patient must have a desire to lose the weight. Prior to undergoing gastric bypass or volume reduction ("stapling"), they must have demonstrated motivation and attempts to lose weight. There are those that still manage to gain the weight back despite these things. Liposuction itself generally seems to be more of a cosmetic procedure, with the big weight loss coming from the above procedures. In other words, she was too far gone for liposuction to fix the problem.

This unfortunate situation illustrates the many levels of psychosocial dysfunction. She didn't seem motivated to change. Her family situation was chaotic and enabling. She had real medical problems - broken bones, and I'd almost bet a new Mega lower that she had a multiplicity of other issues (diabetes, heart disease, gastroesoph reflux) as well as possibly psychiatric disease. Morbid obesity wasn't the proximate cause of her death, I think. Was it the massive stroke? the heart attack? the blood clot that shot to her lungs? Don't know, but these are all big risks.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:09:27 AM EDT
"The bathroom is just too far to walk to, Ill just go right here on the couch. Hey, that wasnt so bad, why did I ever bother using the toilet?! Now I have absolutely no reason to get off the couch." This is the part that bothers me the most. A lot of people will talk shit about Iraq being a dirty filthy country, but in one year there I never seen any house even coming close to the one that is described in this story.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:17:52 AM EDT
Damn.

I'm a big believer in personal responsibility, but damn, I'm speechless...
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:27:04 AM EDT
Call me a cold-hearted bitch, but I have absolutely no sympathy and no sorrow for someone so lazy that they won't even get off the couch to take a shit.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:28:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GabbasaurusRex:
Call me a cold-hearted bitch, but I have absolutely no sympathy and no sorrow for someone so lazy that they won't even get off the couch to take a shit.


Heheheh.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:29:11 AM EDT
Betcha there's some loose change in THAT couch.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:35:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins.

Literally.


I'm always appalled that people would allow themselves to let their weight get out of control, but then again, I'm also appalled that people will drink alcohol to the point that it has a negative effect on their lives, and also I'm appalled that people would use hard drugs. I don't get it.

It all stinks of a total lack of discipline, will power, and self control.

I consider those people to be little better than animals.

Very few animals will ordinarily engage in self destructive behavior, but humans often will.

I'm not saying that you're an animal if you drink in moderation or have a bit of a belly on you or even if you use drugs with moderation, but if it's wrecking your life, you've got a very serious problem and the problem begins and ends with YOU.

CJ



Well put... I agree 100%, which is not to say that I don't feel some compassion for her. I do, but some folks are beyond help and only drag you down with them.
Did anyone see "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" ; the scene where HST and Nixon are in the men's room and HST asks Nixon "what about the doomed?"
Nixon replies "F**k the doomed"

My point, some people can't be helped, don't want help, and will fight you rather than accept it.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:40:55 AM EDT
omg. 4'10"?
that's even worse than I originally thought
if shoe couldn't get to the kitchen why did people bring her food. they should have only brought her water until she lost enough weight to move
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:48:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hokie:
Betcha there's some loose change in THAT couch.





I wouldn't touch that one with a barge-pole....
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:55:44 AM EDT
I'm sure there's loose somethings, just not change


Originally Posted By Hokie:
Betcha there's some loose change in THAT couch.

Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:58:37 AM EDT
I'd a hit it!!!
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 1:06:05 PM EDT
a gal that big could have a bright future in the porn industry.
Some guys like em really really really big.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 1:07:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DUNC:
I'd a hit it!!!



STUNT COCK!
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 1:13:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DUNC:
I'd a hit it!!!



How could you do it?

I did what I had to do.

No, I mean literally how could you do it? The [woman's] so fat the sheer mechanics of it are mind-boggling!
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 1:24:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sleepdr:

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
Question for the doctors.

Why can't they liposuction people like this?
I understand people die from liposuction, and especially when it is overdone.
But shouldn't a huge person be able to stand losing 10 lbs at a time, or some such number?
Are they too weak to recover and they get infected?
Wouldn't the benefits outweigh the risks?



Just brief rambling from me, there are those more expert than I. For a surgical weight-loss intervention to work, the patient must have a desire to lose the weight. Prior to undergoing gastric bypass or volume reduction ("stapling"), they must have demonstrated motivation and attempts to lose weight. There are those that still manage to gain the weight back despite these things. Liposuction itself generally seems to be more of a cosmetic procedure, with the big weight loss coming from the above procedures. In other words, she was too far gone for liposuction to fix the problem.

This unfortunate situation illustrates the many levels of psychosocial dysfunction. She didn't seem motivated to change. Her family situation was chaotic and enabling. She had real medical problems - broken bones, and I'd almost bet a new Mega lower that she had a multiplicity of other issues (diabetes, heart disease, gastroesoph reflux) as well as possibly psychiatric disease. Morbid obesity wasn't the proximate cause of her death, I think. Was it the massive stroke? the heart attack? the blood clot that shot to her lungs? Don't know, but these are all big risks.



Exactly right...also, liposuction is actually a fairly traumatic event (as is any surgery on someone in that condition)...her health may very well of actually made her a poor candidate for surgery.
Double also...Who was going to pay for it?


BTW this happened in the county just North of the one I work in...I know some of the firefighters who removed her from that house...It wasnt pretty.

There are 5 patients in similar condition (weight/health...not filth) who we respond to on a regular basis.

Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:26:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GabbasaurusRex:
Call me a cold-hearted bitch, but I have absolutely no sympathy and no sorrow for someone so lazy that they won't even get off the couch to take a shit.






That's by far the best laugh I've ever got from an ARFCOM post.

I feel the same exact way.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:45:25 PM EDT
Feces, unhealed bloody, rotten bed sores, scabbing and urine probably formed a glue-like substance. Stuff like this has happened in convalescent hospitals, too. There, old and disabled people aren't rotated. The sheets become stuck to the sores.

The fibers in the couch stuck unto the oozing sores and scabs/scar tissue formed in and throughout the couch fibers.

That is why I want a bottle of pills next to me when I get old.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:58:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hielo:
Uh, personal responsibility folks. It is an amazing concept. THis woman wanted to live the way she did, so she did.

Oh, and consequences also, personal responsbility and consequences.





It's true that she chose to live that way - but she obviously didn't have health insurance, so we ALL had to pay the consequences of her choices - including the flat-bed truck to haul her and her couch to the ER.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:04:44 PM EDT

Disposing of both Gayle Grinds and the couch was a task easier than expected. Doctors and hospital staff carried and left the two on the parkway with the hopes that illegal aliens would take them away. Short of a miracle, it worked, the following day the stuck-to duo were gone.


Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:16:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

...... but she obviously didn't have health insurance, so we ALL had to pay the consequences of her choices - including the flat-bed truck to haul her and her couch to the ER.




Please!! She had the best damn insurance our money can buy, Medicaid. Freaking Blue Cross and Blue Shield would have made no difference. I have seen some ridiculous arguements for universal health care, but this takes the cake!!
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:21:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

...... but she obviously didn't have health insurance, so we ALL had to pay the consequences of her choices - including the flat-bed truck to haul her and her couch to the ER.




Please!! She had the best damn insurance our money can buy, Medicaid. Freaking Blue Cross and Blue Shield would have made no difference. I have seen some ridiculous arguements for universal health care, but this takes the cake!!




um - my point is that WE ALL PAY for Medicare. Individuals and companies pay for private insurance for people that WORK and earn it, but MY TAXES pay for Medicare.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:29:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 3:30:20 PM EDT by cyanide]

Originally Posted By topjimmy:
This is far beyond laziness or gluttony.

When you start urinating and defecating on yourself, you've moved on into the metal illness region.

Obviously she had lost her mind. Some people are just plain crazy.



I think you hit on it buddy, if not a physical condition, surely a mental one...........



anyway today I feel mellow , so RIP large Marge, go with god.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:37:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tactical_Jew:

That is why I want a bottle of pills next to me when I get old.



Don't worry T_J. We'll shoot you.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:47:05 PM EDT
she must have looked like a beached whale
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:48:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:58:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By sleepdr:

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
Question for the doctors.

Why can't they liposuction people like this?
I understand people die from liposuction, and especially when it is overdone.
But shouldn't a huge person be able to stand losing 10 lbs at a time, or some such number?
Are they too weak to recover and they get infected?
Wouldn't the benefits outweigh the risks?



Just brief rambling from me, there are those more expert than I. For a surgical weight-loss intervention to work, the patient must have a desire to lose the weight. Prior to undergoing gastric bypass or volume reduction ("stapling"), they must have demonstrated motivation and attempts to lose weight. There are those that still manage to gain the weight back despite these things. Liposuction itself generally seems to be more of a cosmetic procedure, with the big weight loss coming from the above procedures. In other words, she was too far gone for liposuction to fix the problem.

This unfortunate situation illustrates the many levels of psychosocial dysfunction. She didn't seem motivated to change. Her family situation was chaotic and enabling. She had real medical problems - broken bones, and I'd almost bet a new Mega lower that she had a multiplicity of other issues (diabetes, heart disease, gastroesoph reflux) as well as possibly psychiatric disease. Morbid obesity wasn't the proximate cause of her death, I think. Was it the massive stroke? the heart attack? the blood clot that shot to her lungs? Don't know, but these are all big risks.



Exactly right...also, liposuction is actually a fairly traumatic event (as is any surgery on someone in that condition)...her health may very well of actually made her a poor candidate for surgery.
Double also...Who was going to pay for it?


BTW this happened in the county just North of the one I work in...I know some of the firefighters who removed her from that house...It wasnt pretty.

There are 5 patients in similar condition (weight/health...not filth) who we respond to on a regular basis.



Every service has a couple. Did you see the issue of JEMS last year dedicated to care / transport of the morbidly obese? There are services who do it often enough that they're equipping special rigs just for it.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:10:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By sleepdr:

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:
Question for the doctors.

Why can't they liposuction people like this?
I understand people die from liposuction, and especially when it is overdone.
But shouldn't a huge person be able to stand losing 10 lbs at a time, or some such number?
Are they too weak to recover and they get infected?
Wouldn't the benefits outweigh the risks?



Just brief rambling from me, there are those more expert than I. For a surgical weight-loss intervention to work, the patient must have a desire to lose the weight. Prior to undergoing gastric bypass or volume reduction ("stapling"), they must have demonstrated motivation and attempts to lose weight. There are those that still manage to gain the weight back despite these things. Liposuction itself generally seems to be more of a cosmetic procedure, with the big weight loss coming from the above procedures. In other words, she was too far gone for liposuction to fix the problem.

This unfortunate situation illustrates the many levels of psychosocial dysfunction. She didn't seem motivated to change. Her family situation was chaotic and enabling. She had real medical problems - broken bones, and I'd almost bet a new Mega lower that she had a multiplicity of other issues (diabetes, heart disease, gastroesoph reflux) as well as possibly psychiatric disease. Morbid obesity wasn't the proximate cause of her death, I think. Was it the massive stroke? the heart attack? the blood clot that shot to her lungs? Don't know, but these are all big risks.



Exactly right...also, liposuction is actually a fairly traumatic event (as is any surgery on someone in that condition)...her health may very well of actually made her a poor candidate for surgery.
Double also...Who was going to pay for it?


BTW this happened in the county just North of the one I work in...I know some of the firefighters who removed her from that house...It wasnt pretty.

There are 5 patients in similar condition (weight/health...not filth) who we respond to on a regular basis.



Every service has a couple. Did you see the issue of JEMS last year dedicated to care / transport of the morbidly obese? There are services who do it often enough that they're equipping special rigs just for it.



You got THAT right...When I say "5 patients like that"...I mean in MY station's zone. (my dept. has 15 stations, most have at least one or two morbidly obese frequent flyers)

We have a "special" backboard stored at one of the stations in each battallion, they were built by our fleet maintinence division...and we respond the step van from the purchasing division if we have to transport.

Sadly, these people may not realize it...but they basically have an "un-official" DNRO.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:39:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

Very few animals will ordinarily engage in self destructive behavior, but humans often will.
CJ



I don't have the exact literature citation, but there was a study where rats were offered free access to food or cocaine. They chose the cocaine and starved. Addiction is destructive, and not necessarilly willful. Animals don't ordinarilly have the luxury of getting to self-destructive behavior, since you've gotta climb pretty high on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs as a species before doing it. As others mentioned, this lady may have had an addictive personality that helped things along.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:51:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 4:52:36 PM EDT by 95thFoot]

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Sadly, these people may not realize it...but they basically have an "un-official" DNRO.



"Do Not Resuscitate" Order?
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 6:20:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 6:22:10 PM EDT by tommytrauma]

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Sadly, these people may not realize it...but they basically have an "un-official" DNRO.



"Do Not Resuscitate" Order?


Yup, that's what he means. Chest compressions are useless on the really huge ones, impedence is such that defib doesn't work worth squat, they're almost impossible to start an IV on, especially when pulseless, and it's a bitch to intubate 'em. Then you factor the time involved in just getting them loaded and starting transport, and they're pretty much dead right there. With most patients, ABC means airway, breathing, circulation. On the big ones, it's ambulate before carry.

Our department doesn't automatically dispatch an engine crew with the rescue, but we have at least two patients where the CAD instructions automatically include an engine crew just for lift assistance.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:24:07 PM EDT
Reminds me of more than one house I have been in, and she reminds me of a few people I have met. They are out there; you just don't see them out and about in public. I recall one female who was about her size from back in my days working in the jail who was an absolute PITA to deal with when she went off her meds.......she's dead now too.
Some of you people have absolutely no compassion.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 12:09:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:
So, is Rosie O'Donnell going to play the lead role in the made for TV movie?



Link Posted: 8/19/2004 3:43:20 AM EDT
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