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Posted: 4/26/2019 1:36:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like an issue with poor budgeting and being unwilling to make necessary tradeoffs. Litigating lawsuits is a lot more expensive than cameras that could prevent the suit in the first place. Body cameras have been generally good at exonerating officers rather than helping the complaining party. A few possible solutions: proportional pay cuts to directly pay for acquisition costs, raise freeze for multiple years department wide, overtime caps, reduction in unnecessary spending in other areas, elimination of non-essential personnel, issue a municipal bond to spread the cost. As a side note, body cams ought to be considered essential equipment nowadays no differently than squad cars, issued firearms, radios, computers etc. and be budgeted for accordingly. Technology starts as a novelty and grows into a necessity, look at smartphones now vs a decade ago. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 1:49:42 PM EDT
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None of those are viable options Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Sounds like an issue with poor budgeting and being unwilling to make necessary tradeoffs. Litigating lawsuits is a lot more expensive than cameras that could prevent the suit in the first place. Body cameras have been generally good at exonerating officers rather than helping the complaining party. A few possible solutions: proportional pay cuts to directly pay for acquisition costs, raise freeze for multiple years department wide, overtime caps, reduction in unnecessary spending in other areas, elimination of non-essential personnel, issue a municipal bond to spread the cost. As a side note, body cams ought to be considered essential equipment nowadays no differently than squad cars, issued firearms, radios, computers etc. and be budgeted for accordingly. Technology starts as a novelty and grows into a necessity, look at smartphones now vs a decade ago. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 2:06:35 PM EDT
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If that was a good shoot then cops have a license to kill and maybe the police abolition groups are right. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 2:11:54 PM EDT
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lets wait for all the facts Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If that was a good shoot then cops have a license to kill and maybe the police abolition groups are right. That’s all I need to know. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 2:21:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Locals can often fill in the blanks on the general attributes of a neighborhood, etc. I used up all of my MPLS Star-Tribune free articles, so if someone else wants to post snippets, please do. As she was Australian, international coverage may provide a different perspective. From Australia: 'I was in shock, shaking': Justine Ruszczyk Damond's fiance recalls the night she died More New Zealand weighs in with this: Justine Ruszczyk Damond shooting: 'Because his name is Mohamed it's different' "When Noor was charged last year, the Somali-American Police Officers Association said: "We believe these charges are baseless and politically motivated, if not racially motivated as well." Yep. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 2:24:03 PM EDT
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I never jacked anyone up I caught pissing behind a dumpster. Just make sure they weren't ripping off a business, or too fucked up to drive. Busting someone not hurting anyone taking a piss at night is a chickenshit move. Pis sing in the middle of the street in broad daylight is a different story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So do cops hassle people they catch doing the same thing? What's the cut-off for who is allowed to piss in public?100k a year?Male and female? Busting someone not hurting anyone taking a piss at night is a chickenshit move. Pis sing in the middle of the street in broad daylight is a different story. 
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Posted: 4/26/2019 2:24:40 PM EDT
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lets wait for all the facts Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If that was a good shoot then cops have a license to kill and maybe the police abolition groups are right. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 2:41:04 PM EDT
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"Look at me. I am the defendant now."  
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Posted: 4/26/2019 5:24:36 PM EDT
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I only read the first page, so maybe this was already covered, but why does it matter that the officer is Somali? Beyond the general hatred of immigrants and especially black ones, how is this relevant?
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Posted: 4/26/2019 6:21:24 PM EDT
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I only read the first page, so maybe this was already covered, but why does it matter that the officer is Somali? Beyond the general hatred of immigrants and especially black ones, how is this relevant? Some,myself included,made jokes about him enforcing sharia law,but I've only seen one poster that looks a little racist. White Christian cops have fucked up in the past as well-race and color isn't the only reason........ |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 6:26:33 PM EDT
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Nothing,except for the possibility of an Affirmative Action hire. Some,myself included,made jokes about him enforcing sharia law,but I've only seen one poster that looks a little racist. White Christian cops have fucked up in the past as well-race and color isn't the only reason........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I only read the first page, so maybe this was already covered, but why does it matter that the officer is Somali? Beyond the general hatred of immigrants and especially black ones, how is this relevant? Some,myself included,made jokes about him enforcing sharia law,but I've only seen one poster that looks a little racist. White Christian cops have fucked up in the past as well-race and color isn't the only reason........ |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 9:22:46 PM EDT
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I only read the first page, so maybe this was already covered, but why does it matter that the officer is Somali? Beyond the general hatred of immigrants and especially black ones, how is this relevant? |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 10:47:03 PM EDT
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Because their culture is incompatible with ours. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I only read the first page, so maybe this was already covered, but why does it matter that the officer is Somali? Beyond the general hatred of immigrants and especially black ones, how is this relevant? |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 10:57:10 PM EDT
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Because their culture is incompatible with ours. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:03:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree, but I think the bigger problem is that whenever someone is hired with an eye towards 'diversity' it rarely ends well. And that's what this guy was; a diversity hire and PR stunt. Starting out with a totally different mindset towards life didn’t help anybody here, though. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:12:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. The bigger issue is still the people that hired him, failed to properly train him, failed to realize his potential failures while in FTO/probation period, then stick him with someone with little more experience than himself in a vehicle. Starting out with a totally different mindset towards life didn’t help anybody here, though. Honestly I think some of the cops who responded should have been charged, including the partner and SGT on scene. The SGT on scene asks him something and gets 'I don't know' as a response. Then she turns her cam off and when it comes back on, Noors partner says he heard a loud noise. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:13:25 PM EDT
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Because their culture is incompatible with ours. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I only read the first page, so maybe this was already covered, but why does it matter that the officer is Somali? Beyond the general hatred of immigrants and especially black ones, how is this relevant? |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:23:59 PM EDT
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I only read the first page, so maybe this was already covered, but why does it matter that the officer is Somali? Beyond the general hatred of immigrants and especially black ones, how is this relevant? P.S. What solar system do you live in? |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:27:45 PM EDT
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I didn't see that as a problem, in the context of what happened. If he had a history of bad behavior towards women or female officers, it would be one thing. I think he was hire for diversity, the like you said; shoved into a patrol car with another rookie and no adult supervision to break the bad habits they formed (like never turning on their bodycams) and they straight up panicked and shoot at a shadow. The loud noise, banging was a bullshit cover story cooked up by cops who responded and suggested to Noor and his partner, who grabbed and ran with it as a defense. She never touched that fucking car. Honestly I think some of the cops who responded should have been charged, including the partner and SGT on scene. The SGT on scene asks him something and gets 'I don't know' as a response. Then she turns her cam off and when it comes back on, Noors partner says he heard a loud noise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: True. The bigger issue is still the people that hired him, failed to properly train him, failed to realize his potential failures while in FTO/probation period, then stick him with someone with little more experience than himself in a vehicle. Starting out with a totally different mindset towards life didn’t help anybody here, though. Honestly I think some of the cops who responded should have been charged, including the partner and SGT on scene. The SGT on scene asks him something and gets 'I don't know' as a response. Then she turns her cam off and when it comes back on, Noors partner says he heard a loud noise. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:29:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Protecting their own on this one lost me just a little more on the I respect the police scale. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:22:22 AM EDT
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So this guys partner was had his window down and talking with the Vic. The. Mohammed decides to pull out his gun, and shoot passed the noggin of his partner from the passenger seat? Holy fuck. Dude is a murderer. Only way I see that being g a good shoot is if they were arguing and lady pulled out a weapon. Which didn't happen.
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:27:37 AM EDT
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Affirmative action hire. J- |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:28:07 AM EDT
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One of the single most heinous acts by a police officer I've heard of. Fucker needs to hang by his Somali neck. It's all going according to plan. Infiltrate, subvert, and dominate. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:31:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That technology is quickly on its way to police holsters J- |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:36:09 AM EDT
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So this guys partner was had his window down and talking with the Vic. The. Mohammed decides to pull out his gun, and shoot passed the noggin of his partner from the passenger seat? Holy fuck. Dude is a murderer. Only way I see that being g a good shoot is if they were arguing and lady pulled out a weapon. Which didn't happen. And there were no prints from the woman found on the car. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:39:18 AM EDT
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WTF?
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:42:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You honestly think that adding a simple sensor that determines the gun is no longer present would cost up to $400 and is "high tech"?  Our body cams are set up where if one officer has theirs activated at the scene EVERYONES (that is powered up) starts recording. We also have a 30 second continuous buffer on the front end so when you active the record function it already has 30 seconds of footage. I typically hit record as I get out of my car on a call/contact (which is what our policy dictates) and that gives me 30 seconds of driving up to the scene etc. J- |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:43:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll try to find our most recent Axon quote for my dept ref the sensors. I forget the exact amount but it was enough that we don't have the holster sensors..... Our body cams are set up where if one officer has theirs activated at the scene EVERYONES (that is powered up) starts recording. We also have a 30 second continuous buffer on the front end so when you active the record function it already has 30 seconds of footage. I typically hit record as I get out of my car on a call/contact (which is what our policy dictates) and that gives me 30 seconds of driving up to the scene etc. J- |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:46:58 AM EDT
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Sounds like some mighty fine police work.
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:56:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Minn PD cams have the 30 second buffer also. But the partners video, one that one incident, is only 15 seconds. J- |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 12:59:06 AM EDT
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The driver of the patrol car had his gun out and headlights turned off going down the alley. Sounds like something going on to me. Should have had his camera going. One hand on the wheel, other hand holding the gun? Didn’t know Minneapolis cops had three arms. We just need city wide surveillance, clearly. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 1:02:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't see that as a problem, in the context of what happened. If he had a history of bad behavior towards women or female officers, it would be one thing. I think he was hire for diversity, the like you said; shoved into a patrol car with another rookie and no adult supervision to break the bad habits they formed (like never turning on their bodycams) and they straight up panicked and shoot at a shadow. The loud noise, banging was a bullshit cover story cooked up by cops who responded and suggested to Noor and his partner, who grabbed and ran with it as a defense. She never touched that fucking car. Honestly I think some of the cops who responded should have been charged, including the partner and SGT on scene. The SGT on scene asks him something and gets 'I don't know' as a response. Then she turns her cam off and when it comes back on, Noors partner says he heard a loud noise. I thought over charging folks was bad. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 1:03:19 AM EDT
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Sounds like some mighty fine police work. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 1:04:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick, stop searching for a possible assault suspect and turn your camera on. One hand on the wheel, other hand holding the gun? Didn’t know Minneapolis cops had three arms. We just need city wide surveillance, clearly. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 1:27:26 AM EDT
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Quick, stop searching for a possible assault suspect and turn your camera on. One hand on the wheel, other hand holding the gun? Didn’t know Minneapolis cops had three arms. We just need city wide surveillance, clearly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The driver of the patrol car had his gun out and headlights turned off going down the alley. Sounds like something going on to me. Should have had his camera going. One hand on the wheel, other hand holding the gun? Didn’t know Minneapolis cops had three arms. We just need city wide surveillance, clearly. Also, is it normal to pull your gun out while crawling through alleys? |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 1:33:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, is it normal to pull your gun out while crawling through alleys? |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 5:21:49 AM EDT
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Or maybe turn your camera on before you enter the scene? They ran 12 calls that shift prior to the shooting and never touched their cams. That sounds ok to you? |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 7:25:56 AM EDT
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None of those are viable options Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Sounds like an issue with poor budgeting and being unwilling to make necessary tradeoffs. Litigating lawsuits is a lot more expensive than cameras that could prevent the suit in the first place. Body cameras have been generally good at exonerating officers rather than helping the complaining party. A few possible solutions: proportional pay cuts to directly pay for acquisition costs, raise freeze for multiple years department wide, overtime caps, reduction in unnecessary spending in other areas, elimination of non-essential personnel, issue a municipal bond to spread the cost. As a side note, body cams ought to be considered essential equipment nowadays no differently than squad cars, issued firearms, radios, computers etc. and be budgeted for accordingly. Technology starts as a novelty and grows into a necessity, look at smartphones now vs a decade ago. The problem with the Minneapolis police is that for the longest time you have had liberal SJW's at the helm making all the hiring decisions. Fuck, we had the Mayor walk into the protest outside the 4th when the BLM shitbags were going nuts, pick up a sign, and protest the police with them. Fuck Betsy Hodges. Now Minneapolis has this man-child Jacob Frye and as surprising as it sounds, he is actually worse than Hodges. People like Mr. Noor were hired as CSO's and fast tracked through Skills and the Academy even though they were functionally unable to pass even the easiest parts of the curriculum. He had no business being anywhere near a police car. Truth be told, I am surprised that he was able to hit her with his pistol. Mr. Noor was notorious for hitting the ceiling with shots. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 7:32:31 AM EDT
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Elimination of non-essential personnel isn't viable. You heard it here folks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Sounds like an issue with poor budgeting and being unwilling to make necessary tradeoffs. Litigating lawsuits is a lot more expensive than cameras that could prevent the suit in the first place. Body cameras have been generally good at exonerating officers rather than helping the complaining party. A few possible solutions: proportional pay cuts to directly pay for acquisition costs, raise freeze for multiple years department wide, overtime caps, reduction in unnecessary spending in other areas, elimination of non-essential personnel, issue a municipal bond to spread the cost. As a side note, body cams ought to be considered essential equipment nowadays no differently than squad cars, issued firearms, radios, computers etc. and be budgeted for accordingly. Technology starts as a novelty and grows into a necessity, look at smartphones now vs a decade ago. CSI? There are some pretty sweet hotties down there. The blonde one is a real firecracker. Let's fire her. She can come stay with me. Mayor's bodyguard? That one I might agree with you on. Investigations? Clerks? The thing you dont understand is that they're pretty lean as it is. Giving SJW liberal assholes carte blanche like what you want, and no matter what you say, they would get to make the decisions, they would cut police. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 7:33:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Especially in Minneapolis where they need to hire more police, not incentivise them to leave. The problem with the Minneapolis police is that for the longest time you have had liberal SJW's at the helm making all the hiring decisions. Fuck, we had the Mayor walk into the protest outside the 4th when the BLM shitbags were going nuts, pick up a sign, and protest the police with them. Fuck Betsy Hodges. Now Minneapolis has this man-child Jacob Frye and as surprising as it sounds, he is actually worse than Hodges. People like Mr. Noor were hired as CSO's and fast tracked through Skills and the Academy even though they were functionally unable to pass even the easiest parts of the curriculum. He had no business being anywhere near a police car. Truth be told, I am surprised that he was able to hit her with his pistol. Mr. Noor was notorious for hitting the ceiling with shots. We're seeing that in my own agency. The current CLEO has promised his SJW voting base that he will transition the agency demographics to 50% female officers. He's busy raiding every agency he can for their female officers and pretty much every vacancy as it comes up is being filled by a female. It's a serious officer safety issue for the remaining males. I'm sure that the only white heterosexual males that are hired will be politically connected in some manner. It truly is a return to the good old boy political system we fought so hard to get rid of eight years ago. I'm glad that I am at the end of my career. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 7:41:36 AM EDT
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he worked for the police dept in the city with the most Somali's in the US so not sure that is it..... J- Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Affirmative action hire. J- None of the rest of us speak Somali and the insular nature of that group of people makes things extraordinarily difficult from a familiarity standpoint. It is hard enough to just get these people vaccinated, tested for TB, and clean of bedbugs because they are skeptical or outright hostile to anyone who isnt them telling them what is good for them. When I say that they, as a group, are insular i might as well be calling the ocean "moist." Bring in a couple Somali officers and they might be able to have a fucking conversation with them. Fuck be upon the assbrained Lutherans for bringing the Somalians here in the first place. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 7:51:50 AM EDT
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Both of them had hands on the wheel? Also, is it normal to pull your gun out while crawling through alleys? Back on 50th and Xerxes it is an astonishingly nice neighborhood, no you probably shouldn't have your gun in your hand. Just west of tangletown. Crazy amounts of money. It is where the limousine liberals all live. My guess is that Noor was put in that area because the likelihood of him having to deal with anything more than a noise complaint is akin to someone reporting Jesus descending from the heavens for the Superbowl. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:07:42 AM EDT
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he worked for the police dept in the city with the most Somali's in the US so not sure that is it..... J- Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Affirmative action hire. J- It must certainly could be an AA hire. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:14:51 AM EDT
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Depends on the neighborhood of Minneapolis. If you're at Franklin and Chicago youd better have your fucking gun out. Back on 50th and Xerxes it is an astonishingly nice neighborhood, no you probably shouldn't have your gun in your hand. Just west of tangletown. Crazy amounts of money. It is where the limousine liberals all live. My guess is that Noor was put in that area because the likelihood of him having to deal with anything more than a noise complaint is akin to someone reporting Jesus descending from the heavens for the Superbowl. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Both of them had hands on the wheel? Also, is it normal to pull your gun out while crawling through alleys? Back on 50th and Xerxes it is an astonishingly nice neighborhood, no you probably shouldn't have your gun in your hand. Just west of tangletown. Crazy amounts of money. It is where the limousine liberals all live. My guess is that Noor was put in that area because the likelihood of him having to deal with anything more than a noise complaint is akin to someone reporting Jesus descending from the heavens for the Superbowl. Yet he’s patrolling a lily white beat. Ok. Eta grammar |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:18:01 AM EDT
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Who specifically at any large metropolitan police department is non essential? |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:20:49 AM EDT
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What happens when he get promoted to Capt. ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Look at me. I am the defendant now." They might even have a congressman by then... 
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:24:43 AM EDT
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Unlike most US police shooting victims, Ruszczyk was a blonde, white woman who lived in a wealthy area. The officer who shot her was not just black but Muslim, a celebrated member of Minneapolis's burgeoning Somali community.
When Noor was charged last year, the Somali-American Police Officers Association said: "We believe these charges are baseless and politically motivated, if not racially motivated as well." The case has has inflamed Minneapolis's racial, religious and class divides to such a degree that some of Ruszczyk's neighbours fear there will be a violent backlash if Noor is sent to jail. "Let's not be naive," says Mel Reeves, a veteran activist in Minneapolis' African-American community. "Race is the elephant in the room in this trial." So there’s a Somali officers association.... If an officer who shot an unarmed woman in her pajamas who CALLED the police is sent to jail, there may be MORE violence.....???????? (By minorities) And there’s a veteran activist for the Minneapolis African American community.... But race is the elephant in the room because she is white...? ...sure. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:36:19 AM EDT
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The jury includes two Filipino men, an Ethiopian man and a Pakistani woman.
The Paki women will hand the jury. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 8:43:14 AM EDT
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We had plenty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who specifically at any large metropolitan police department is non essential? Better yet, specific people, by name. |
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Posted: 4/27/2019 9:09:16 AM EDT
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The jury includes two Filipino men, an Ethiopian man and a Pakistani woman. The Paki women will hand the jury. |
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