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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:35:48 AM EDT
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If someone is messed up in the head and they are believed to be a danger to society then they must be taken off of the streets.
The way it used to be...... before the libs wanted these crazies to be free so they could shoot people... so the libs have an excuse to take the guns away. It ain't complicated....its fucking common sense. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:39:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: If someone is messed up in the head and they are believed to be a danger to society then they must be taken off of the streets. The way it used to be...... before the libs wanted these crazies to be free so they could shoot people... so the libs have an excuse to take the guns away. It ain't complicated....its fucking common sense. Not really that easy. The reason "crazies" aren't kept in asylums anymore has nothing to do with liberalism, and everything to do with money. Asylums and mental health facilities were shut down because nobody wanted to pay for them anymore... ...You wanna pay for them? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:42:18 AM EDT
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The problem I've seen over the years is simple. People don't want to know about it and mental health tends to get lumped in with drug abuse funding-wise. Drug treatment programs are popular. You are a druggie? They can get handouts and treatment out the wazoo. This is where most of the abuse comes from. Free medical? Free dental? Free apartments? Druggies get it all. Go to a class once a week and you are set. Piss hot? Well, you just start the classes again. Suffering from schizophrenia? Well, you might be able to get help, but you'd better have insurance first. Otherwise, it's time to commit a crime and get a court-ordered evaluation. Most street patients get treated like a yo-yo. Commit a crime, get committed, get treated, get released. Patient goes off his drug regimen, rinse and repeat. Most times, the only thing that breaks the string is the patients suicide. How do you force the patient to stay on the meds? Lifetime lockdown? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:55:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If someone is messed up in the head and they are believed to be a danger to society then they must be taken off of the streets. The way it used to be...... before the libs wanted these crazies to be free so they could shoot people... so the libs have an excuse to take the guns away. It ain't complicated....its fucking common sense. Not really that easy. The reason "crazies" aren't kept in asylums anymore has nothing to do with liberalism, and everything to do with money. Asylums and mental health facilities were shut down because nobody wanted to pay for them anymore... ...You wanna pay for them? Choice 1....Use tax dollars to keep people in prison who take drugs or Choice 2....Use tax dollars to keep people off streets who are dangerous to my family Pretty simple isn't it? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:56:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The problem I've seen over the years is simple. People don't want to know about it and mental health tends to get lumped in with drug abuse funding-wise. Drug treatment programs are popular. You are a druggie? They can get handouts and treatment out the wazoo. This is where most of the abuse comes from. Free medical? Free dental? Free apartments? Druggies get it all. Go to a class once a week and you are set. Piss hot? Well, you just start the classes again. Suffering from schizophrenia? Well, you might be able to get help, but you'd better have insurance first. Otherwise, it's time to commit a crime and get a court-ordered evaluation. Most street patients get treated like a yo-yo. Commit a crime, get committed, get treated, get released. Patient goes off his drug regimen, rinse and repeat. Most times, the only thing that breaks the string is the patients suicide. How do you force the patient to stay on the meds? Lifetime lockdown? You can't Many of the mind altering drugs actually cause people who take them to be more dangerous. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:07:30 AM EDT
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The problem I've seen over the years is simple. People don't want to know about it and mental health tends to get lumped in with drug abuse funding-wise. Drug treatment programs are popular. You are a druggie? They can get handouts and treatment out the wazoo. This is where most of the abuse comes from. Free medical? Free dental? Free apartments? Druggies get it all. Go to a class once a week and you are set. Piss hot? Well, you just start the classes again. Suffering from schizophrenia? Well, you might be able to get help, but you'd better have insurance first. Otherwise, it's time to commit a crime and get a court-ordered evaluation. Most street patients get treated like a yo-yo. Commit a crime, get committed, get treated, get released. Patient goes off his drug regimen, rinse and repeat. Most times, the only thing that breaks the string is the patients suicide. How do you force the patient to stay on the meds? Lifetime lockdown? You can't Many of the mind altering drugs actually cause people who take them to be more dangerous. Sort of goes back to what I said a while back about drug treatment being as much an art as a science. It can be difficult to find the correct medications for some people. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:31:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The problem I've seen over the years is simple. People don't want to know about it and mental health tends to get lumped in with drug abuse funding-wise. Drug treatment programs are popular. You are a druggie? They can get handouts and treatment out the wazoo. This is where most of the abuse comes from. Free medical? Free dental? Free apartments? Druggies get it all. Go to a class once a week and you are set. Piss hot? Well, you just start the classes again. Suffering from schizophrenia? Well, you might be able to get help, but you'd better have insurance first. Otherwise, it's time to commit a crime and get a court-ordered evaluation. Most street patients get treated like a yo-yo. Commit a crime, get committed, get treated, get released. Patient goes off his drug regimen, rinse and repeat. Most times, the only thing that breaks the string is the patients suicide. How do you force the patient to stay on the meds? Lifetime lockdown? You can't Many of the mind altering drugs actually cause people who take them to be more dangerous. Sort of goes back to what I said a while back about drug treatment being as much an art as a science. It can be difficult or impossible to find the correct medications for some people. It's sad stuff.  |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:33:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Need to lock up crazies. County should have a poor farm where people go and they do the work the county needs done in exchange for help. Families need t take care of their own crazies.  This actually used to be done. Texas had the state school system. Essentially, a prison for the insane and retarded. Grew their own food, sewed their own clothes. Patients pretty much were dumped by their families and spent their entire lives there. A horrible system that had an incredible amount of abuse. Get violent with staff? That earned you a beating and a cell. Some patients spent DECADES in such conditions. The state school cemetery is full of headstones with just a first name. No one remembers when or where they came from. They usually showed up as children. Most times, it's not even the REAL name, just one given by staff. Yeah, they had a few of those over in Europe in the early 40's... but they usually didn't get headstones. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:39:20 AM EDT
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Be careful what you let the left/right label as mental illness or the next thing you know praying will be a sign of Schizophrenia and no guns for you....
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Posted: 1/30/2011 2:36:07 PM EDT
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Be careful what you let the left/right label as mental illness or the next thing you know praying will be a sign of Schizophrenia and no guns for you.... True enough. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 3:06:06 PM EDT
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1) Does the government have a responsibility to take away a person's rights to make them better? 2) Does the government have the responsibility to protect someone from themselves? 3) What course of action should be taken when a disordered individual refuses to be medically compliant? I deal with crazy on a regular basis, they don't get counseling, theuy get drugged. When they get balanced they let them go off on their own. Then they stop taking their meds and it starts all over again. While some are weird and harmless, others are down right dangerous, both groups cannot function in society. At the very least government should protect us, from them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 3:16:54 PM EDT
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I'd rather have society continue to come down on the side of the rights of the individual, than take the side of the professional social worker who is looking to "fix the world".
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Posted: 1/30/2011 4:10:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: 1) Does the government have a responsibility to take away a person's rights to make them better? 2) Does the government have the responsibility to protect someone from themselves? 3) What course of action should be taken when a disordered individual refuses to be medically compliant? I deal with crazy on a regular basis, they don't get counseling, theuy get drugged. When they get balanced they let them go off on their own. Then they stop taking their meds and it starts all over again. While some are weird and harmless, others are down right dangerous, both groups cannot function in society. At the very least government should protect us, from them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I have to, and I know. I was trying to to see where the the OP stood on those questions. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 4:11:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'd rather have society continue to come down on the side of the rights of the individual, than take the side of the professional social worker who is looking to "fix the world". The problem with blind absolutist idealism in this is that much in the world really does need fixing. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 4:25:34 PM EDT
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Need to lock up crazies. County should have a poor farm where people go and they do the work the county needs done in exchange for help. Families need t take care of their own crazies.
This actually used to be done. Texas had the state school system. Essentially, a prison for the insane and retarded. Grew their own food, sewed their own clothes. Patients pretty much were dumped by their families and spent their entire lives there. A horrible system that had an incredible amount of abuse. Get violent with staff? That earned you a beating and a cell. Some patients spent DECADES in such conditions. All states had this system. Yes, it was a miserable system. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 4:57:09 PM EDT
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Regardless of whether you're poor or affluent though, and no matter how much families try to help their relatives with mental illness, it seems like the system favors their rights over their physical well being and the protection of society.
Tada.....we have a winner! Aloha, Mark And there's a reason that things are like that. In order to strip someone of their RKBA you have to afford them due process. This doesn't mean arbitrary gov mental health agency, this means a trial. Nobody wants people like Loughner to own guns but have you heard of the profiles criminal justice officials are constructing? I'm sure a lot of ARFCOMMERs would fall under the risk category... The point being, who gets to decide who's crazy and who's not? Should we not be judged by out actions, but our words and thoughts? This is a slippery slope here and i think a lot of folks are letting their emotions cloud their reasoning... |
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