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Posted: 12/18/2005 2:32:50 PM EDT
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Free Ireland!
 
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Posted: 12/18/2005 2:43:16 PM EDT
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This is quite interensting to report here in the media in Italy. Can you give me any source about it? I'd like to write a few " opinionist" lines in the gun magazine where I write. Keep in count that the distribution is national wide... |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 7:34:33 PM EDT
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Just call it like I see it, Mr. Good Person. It's important to be honest about things. The truth hurts but it's better than choking to death on your own bullshit. Sorry if you can't cope. |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 8:18:25 PM EDT
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Typical for ARFCOM... Point out THE FACT of just whom is commiting most crime (in any country you care to name), and certain folks will start calling you a jackbooted 88 nazi thug. So just how different are the ARFCOM race apologists than the Brit politicians that also won't speak truth? Is there a racial equivalent to "pussy whipped"? |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 8:37:04 PM EDT
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No, just the usual broad generalizations based on foreign leftist media, while we here bash our own leftist media for being biased. Somewhere in the UK someone is posting: All Americans are liberal scumbags, based on news reports. |
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Posted: 12/18/2005 8:41:00 PM EDT
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I think both of ya'll are right on the button there. I've always been struck by the parallels between WWI and the Peloponesian war. In both instances, you had cultures that were at their peak in both power and culture. The Greeks had just recently defeated the mighty Persian empire in three separate invasions, and had gone on to liberate the cities of the Ionian coast. Culturally, Athens was at its peak with the building of the Parthenon. However, after the mass slaughter of the Peloponesian war, Greece quickly became disallusioned with itself. It never really recovered the vigor it had prior to that event, and shotly thereafter was subsumed into the partially-Greek Macedonian culture. Similarly, Europe on the eave of WWI was at the peak of its power, with empires which literally covered the entire planet, and an emerging culture of science and democracy. Afterwards, it seems that Europe has lost confidence in itself. Like the Greeks before them, Europe post WWII (which was nothing more than round 2 of WWI) was dominated by outside powers, America and Russia. More importantly, Europe seems to have lost confidence in itself, as evidenced by the increasing popularity of communism and fascism, which at their root are really a rejection of western values rather than anything else. I really don't think that Europe has recovered from Verdun. Look at their culture prior to the great war and you see a confidence in their culture, their art, their politics, and every other aspect of their society. Afterwards, it has been dominated by socialist self-hatred. I really hope Europe is able to come out of this malaise in some form or another. A strong Europe would be of much benefit to the world. 
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Posted: 12/19/2005 12:52:05 AM EDT
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It depends which kind of Europe would finally take form. The one I am seeing now is only a prologue of the Big Socialist Brother from Bruxelles. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 1:08:36 AM EDT
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The people have spoken, the bastards! (about direct democracy) BBC Radio 4's Today programme asked listeners which new legislation they'd most like to see in the UK, and Stephen Pound (L) said he'd introduce it as a Private Members' Bill. Listeners voted for a bill that would "authorise homeowners to use any means to defend their home from intruders". Controversy ensues, Pound says "The people have spoken, the bastards!", and Prescott sees egg on White City faces. Guardian: 'Tony Martin law' tops Today poll BBC: Martin case tops BBC's Today poll Times: Radio 4 listeners want right to kill intruders Star: Shoots you, sir Sun: Demand for 'Martin's Law' Independent: MP calls Radio 4 listeners 'bastards' over vigilante vote Telegraph: BBC listeners want right to kill burglars BBC: Martin backers' law bid 'to fail' and Simon Jenkins is in two minds in How the BBC made democracy just a show: That is what happens, Mr Pound, when you sell your soul to the media [...] the show reminds me of the old Daily Mirror at it's best. By that I mean unmissable... [...] There is a virtue in the listeners' law after all ... I am sure that the BBC would declare this as no more than their original intention. A listeners law is better than no law at all. Where indeed would we be without the BBC? How the poll worked: the winning proposal got 37% of the 26,000+ votes cast for a short-list of 5 options, which were chosen "by a panel" from a listener-submitted list of 10,000 ideas. Questions/thoughts: - If the BBC received 10,000+ suggestions, it shows there's a strong latent interest in politics out there (in R4 listeners at least), and that mass media (in this case, radio pushing phone, email and other channels of contact) can be effective in engaging citizens - On the process: Who was on the panel that picked the short-list of five proposed laws? - Still on the process: Did the BBC ask/require listeners to go through a deliberative process? (the point being that opinion polling is [should be] different from voting). - Different proposals came out on top when comparing phone votes (Tony Martin) and email votes (opt-out to replace opt-in for organ donation). Related: How the UK makes new laws. More on direct-but-deliberative democratic politics very soon. Update: Clay Shirky notes that the BBC is embarrassed because it fully expected to get a different result, and implies that the poll left many questions unasked. And Ben Hammersley advises caution for those who would redesign the entire political system. Posted on January 04, 2004 in Politics | Permalink TrackBack TrackBack URL for this entry: http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/348744 Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The people have spoken, the bastards! (about direct democracy): Comments Dear Sir, It was made abundantly clear by the Today programme vote in favour of "Tony Martin Law"that the average person no longer feels that the uk.is as safe a place to live as it has been in the past and that a persons right to self defence of themselves, family and property needs to be restored due to the failure and apparent dissinterest of the state ie police force etc to do a reliable job of it.This surely is the most fundamental of human rights. Mark Thomas. Posted by: mark thomas | January 26, 2004 at 07:36 AM rodcorp.typepad.com/rodcorp/2004/01/the_people_have.html |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 1:34:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2005 2:34:31 AM EDT
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Thanks Andy. Seems to be true what I said on this thread: good ol' common sense is starting again to take place in UK and Brits are starting to be pissed off because their govt. treat them like retarded children instead as citizen of a developed country. btw, in this period I am writing for the oldest and most autoritative gun review in my country. A good insight of what is happening in UK, the pendulum that is going back from total gun ban to a gun ownership and self defence rights, can be an incentive for Italian politics to rethink their pussified position about the same issues. Actually I am fighting to preserve our RKBA in Italy. |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 2:41:20 AM EDT
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Same shit different day, but it's ok cos we still love you (or at least those of us who are here do ) *Group hug* As to the Tony Martin law introduction, what did they expect with the demographics of the today program :) But then last week I got to listen to John Humphrey's rip the arse out of Lord Faulkner for the governments blatant disregard of the Right to Free Speech  You can get arrested and convicted for reading out the names of the dead soldiers in Iraq within a mile of parliment, nice. Now whether that was an anti-war protest or a memorial for our bravest and best is up to you. But she should have had the right to do it. /PHil |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 3:08:40 AM EDT
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British women can always ask for sperm donations from American rednecks.
 That'll toughen them up for another generation.
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Posted: 12/19/2005 3:49:02 AM EDT
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So, American rednecks would have some left after 'dating' their sister?
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Posted: 12/19/2005 4:43:52 AM EDT
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Libtards exist in BOTH countries,,,,far more than is good for either but when all is said and done It will probably be US and the Brits vs. everybody. Our one true brother in arms on the world stage.
God Bless America and God Save the Queen! 
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Posted: 12/19/2005 10:09:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2006 4:04:28 AM EDT
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LOL, this thread is going downhill. I'll give it a push... so who would win in a fistfight between American Rednecks and UK Soccer Hooligans? How about "Happy Slappers" vs the Crips? I don't know about the first, but I do believe the Crips would wipe the floor with the Happy Slappers. 
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Posted: 1/13/2006 4:10:42 AM EDT
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Not quite. The US did not come to England's rescue. They were doing a bangup job of keeping Hitler off their island before we ever got involved in WWII. America is infested by libtards, by the way. They are in our courts, in our legislature, and occasionally in our whitehouse. Our written Constitution has been a major reason why we haven't been swallowed entirely by libtart stupidity. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 5:07:44 AM EDT
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They drove like that with their early cars before we had cars in the USA. The French drove their early cars on the right, before we had cars. Much of the early automobile technology and practices in the USA were derived from the French. Therefore, today, we drive as the French do. 
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Posted: 1/13/2006 5:19:14 AM EDT
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Historically, right back to the Greeks, Romans, Ugg and his stone wheeled chariot, everybody rode or drove on the left. Reason? Your sword hand is your right hand so you needed to pass the oncomming chariot or horse on the left to attack or defend yourself. It was Napoleon who decided to be different and insisted that everyone in France would drive on the right. When he overran the rest of Europe he imposed the same drive on the right rule. So now you know.... It was France's fault. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 5:32:15 AM EDT
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True, that, but don't let's forget that Hitler saved the day for the UK by suddenly deciding to invade the Soviet Union in 1941 instead of concentrating every last ounce of Axis energy on conquering Britain. Germany, in effect, had lost the war already in 1940, when they allowed the British to escape at Dunkirk.
Tell me about it! Look where I live....
LibTART! I love it! Liberal ho! 
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Posted: 1/13/2006 5:44:13 AM EDT
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Do you have a RIGHT to own arms, or just a privlege your trying to maintain? Not flaming. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 5:50:15 AM EDT
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We could ask the same thing of you, seeing as how you are in Illinois.
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:00:39 AM EDT
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Actually, ,Italy, along with Spain and France were very strongly RKBA up until recent years. In recent years, the bureaucrats want to be in control, and it's a lot easier to control unarmed people. So, they are trying to take away the tools of freedom and independance. I don't know the fine details of the (postwar) Italian COnstitution, but I suspect it does not have an RKBA provision specifically included. It's more of a tradition, which the bureaucrats are trying to brainwash away. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:09:51 AM EDT
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Interesting comment and, as Thucydides said in the "Pelopponesian Wars", he was writing it because he felt certain "the events would be repeated in the future." I've often wondered how Britain changed so much, and you may have hit it by the comment about becoming disillusioned after the slaughter. That would account for a number of things. One was the worry about firearms in Britain after WWI, when they were quite commonplace before. A former British Major, writing an article about the progression of the firearms laws mentioned that in 1920 the British Government was worried about revolution in Britain as a result of what the poeple had suffered (the losses, etc.). One might also be led to wonder what changed the empire on which the sun never set into a relatively passive nation. You may have it, along with losing the "bulldog breed" who did all the fighting, and the nation being populated by the "pointy headed buraucrats with long noses they looked down at you" (stolen from R. Kipling). |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:12:06 AM EDT
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As it is a natural right, everyone has it not just Americans. Though seems like we might be the only ones who thought to write it down. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:22:33 AM EDT
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Wha Wha What?!?! That's from the frogs? .... I'm driving home from work on the left lanes of the interstate.... |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:29:23 AM EDT
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No, the combat hand idea still works on the right side of the road. Having your right hand free to beat the crap out of an annoying passenger can prove useful.
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:40:09 AM EDT
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Sounds like the punk mentality is alive and well in England. I'm sure the kids will get theirs sooner or later though.
This is false. I have taken Japanese, Chinese, and Korean styles and they all used a closed fist punch. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:42:10 AM EDT
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they're not using it effectivly.. so sayith the article. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:47:54 AM EDT
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True, but MANY American people are also liberal scum. Sad to say, but it seems like that's the way the world is turning.
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:53:09 AM EDT
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Knives are illegal in GB. Or if not now, soon to be. Heard yesterday, they are on the verge of outlawing the docking of dog's tails. At some point everything will be illegal and the only law left to pass will be one making the passage of any more laws making anything illegal- illegal. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 6:58:31 AM EDT
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Good solid facts there....  Thanks for your contribution  Taffy |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 7:07:20 AM EDT
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I thought docking dogs tails was illegal to be honest. Always struck me as a nasty thing to do to a dog, I'd rather have a happy dog with a waggy tail
 Taffy, why are we in this argument anyway, this ia a thread about the Englisdh anyway, and we all know what we think about them buggers over the other side of the bridge! /PHil |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 9:16:17 AM EDT
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Perfectly legal to carry a 3" blade, always have, always will. ANdy |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 9:41:56 AM EDT
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Until someone gets stabbed with a 3" knife and that gets banned too... In any case, it is still not as good as packing a 1911!
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Posted: 1/13/2006 9:49:48 AM EDT
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Yeah, but not as heavy
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Posted: 1/13/2006 10:08:16 AM EDT
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Having been to the UK for amost a month last year, its a mix, just like the US.
I would say some of the more "liberal" ideals in america are more widely accepted in the UK. But over all I dont think most of them are scum or even ultra-liberal. There are some complete pansys out there. That article was an example. And - uh - I only took 1 year of karate - but we never slapped anyone. WTF are you talking about? edit: If you ask me, the one problem with the UK is their complete distain for spirituality. It makes them hollow and shallow. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 10:32:09 AM EDT
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We in Texas can carry a 5 1/2 inch blade! got ya beat by two and a half inches.  |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 12:18:30 PM EDT
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It ain't the size, it's how you use it! ANyway, I have a 'real' knife for being Billy Badass.... 
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Posted: 1/13/2006 12:27:28 PM EDT
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The next world war should consist of a genocide between the right and left. I think I know who would win, at least on this side of the world.
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Posted: 1/13/2006 1:29:00 PM EDT
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...looks like something leftover from the Roman days in Britain. Nice though, I have a Marine Ka-Bar. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 1:31:20 PM EDT
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Seibe Gorman Hardhat Divers knife.. my old man wacked a shark with it! 
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Posted: 1/13/2006 1:35:07 PM EDT
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Taffy- I read it on the internet- it must be true. There is a medical group in GBR trying to outlaw everything larger than paring knives. Any day now, I'm telling you. Dog deal I heard yesterday. Causes great trauma. Gotta know it's around the corner. [/tongue_out_of_cheek] |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 3:39:51 PM EDT
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This is ARF.Com not rugby.....  Oggy Oggy Oggy Taffy |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 3:49:05 PM EDT
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Callgood I'm telling you If you go down that route the UK will ban pointy sticks in the next five years.....it's only round the corner.  A bit of solid advice from the UK Crew Please don't believe all you read in the UK papers. The gutter press do not let facts get in the way of a good story. BTW who the fuck wants to cut a dogs tail off? and what for? (I dont know coz i'm not a doggy dude) My wife works with some Phillipino's(sp) and they don't cut dogs tails they cut the throats and them eat em Taffy |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 3:54:21 PM EDT
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So can anyone tell me what happens if I start a thread with...
I imagine a few level headed people would say the ratio is the same between our countries but the "shitstorm" it would create I think would lead to a minimum thread lock all the way through to an account lock. Dare I try? Hmm...for the purpose of research Taffy |
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Posted: 2/10/2006 4:24:06 AM EDT
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You have the RIGHT to own firearms, but you must get a license, as the law requires. One license: as many guns the law allows you. This means in Italy: up to three handguns up to six sport guns and handguns unlimited hunint rifles (AR15 are classified hunting guns...) I don't understand what you mean for "privilege"... |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 7:16:25 AM EDT
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Paolo, is the firearm license automatically issued to law abiding citizens, or must one go through some sort of selective process? I think that's what the question is. It's odd that you can have a thousand "evil" assault rifles but a fourth .22 handgun is out! |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 3:00:14 PM EDT
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Gorrila Can I just add....pistols are seen here in the UK to be "the be all and end all of firearms crime". Most gun crime here is commited with either pistols or saw off shotguns....the pistol is seen as evil because it is easily concealable....that's about it realy... Funny how pistols were banned here but gun crime went up Taffy |
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Posted: 2/11/2006 3:03:28 PM EDT
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Fuck that handgun shit anyway... I was going to waste someones ass it would be a shotgun and 00 buckshot.... ANdy |
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