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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you miss what happened in CO? WSJ - Let Me Ask America a Question. How has the ‘system’ been working out for you and your family? No wonder voters demand change. http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882 "On Saturday, April 9, Colorado had an "election” without voters. Delegates were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee, yet the people of Colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred. A planned vote had been canceled. And one million Republicans in Colorado were sidelined." ...[more] Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You think it's funny that the people don't get to vote for who ultimately might be their president? You're fine with a bunch of party insiders picking candidates without the people of a state getting a vote on it? If you're fine with that then you might want to think about moving to North Korea. Everyone had their chance to vote. You have to show up to do it. Did you miss what happened in CO? WSJ - Let Me Ask America a Question. How has the ‘system’ been working out for you and your family? No wonder voters demand change. http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882 "On Saturday, April 9, Colorado had an "election” without voters. Delegates were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee, yet the people of Colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred. A planned vote had been canceled. And one million Republicans in Colorado were sidelined." ...[more] Interesting spin. Retarded, but interesting. How come you guys didn't use it in Nevada, where Trump won the caucus? |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:38:32 PM EDT
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The Cruz supporters are going to learn a hard lesson about fucking with people's right to vote...whether they actually did it or not. Playing games with popular vote vs political games/rules will end with the general public turning strongly against you. You can win a battle (CO) and lose the entire war (presidential election). The fact of the matter is that Trump has more votes from the public. He just does. Hate that reality all you want, it is what it is. He is more popular than Cruz. Cruz comes across as slimy and bought out/creepy. When the general public sees CO, they see insider rule changing bullshit that has the appearance of circumventing the people's votes. Whether that is accurate or not is irrelevent. Perception is reality. The GOPe wants Cruz. They also are willing to lose the entire election as they said publicly. Think hard about those to facts and reconcile them into your presonal reality...they are willing to lose and are willing to lose with Cruz. Playing electioneering games is directly alienating a large portion of the conservative base. Saying "fuck you" to them when you "win" CO isn't going to unify the party. The conservative base should be working together to keep a D out of office, not countin scalps of fellow conservatives. Don't fuck with the voters. Don't play word games or hall monitor rule change games. Don't be a dork and debate what words mean. Win based on popular vote or lose to the D side who understands that. WTF is this post? |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:38:38 PM EDT
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The spotlight was turned on against the CO "primary" and the public saw the cockroaches scurrying, many for the first time, and each roach had Ted Cruz's name printed on it. Cruz, the RNC, and their media lackeys can go on about "the rules" to hell freezes over but nobody likes to think that they don't matter. Remember it's not only Trump's delegates he's "stealing" but Kasich's too. Cruz is going to have to deal with a whole raft of pissed-off voters in the remaining primaries. Indeed the primaries are the one place in national politics where the peeps think they might matter and their vote counts for something but they were shown otherwise, not only in CO but in other states that have already voted where Cruz has sleazed his way in stealing the will of the people away in the dead of night. What do Cruz supporters expect, accolades and kisses to be thrown Cruz's way after such behavior? Cruz deserves everything coming his way in the remaining primaries.....Two fucking coats. 
Cruz supporters shoudl read and understand this. It is the PERCEPTION among the conservative and undecided base. That perception is going to fuck you for the rest of the election. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:39:35 PM EDT
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Trump wasn't smart enough to play the delegate game. But he is a deal maker 
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:39:46 PM EDT
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WSJ - Let Me Ask America a Question. How has the ‘system’ been working out for you and your family? No wonder voters demand change. http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882 "On Saturday, April 9, Colorado had an "election” without voters. Delegates were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee, yet the people of Colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred. A planned vote had been canceled. And one million Republicans in Colorado were sidelined." ...[more] Totally false, as stated by multiple people here from your State. There was a caucus. It was not cancelled. Tens of thousands of voters turned out to vote. The rest chose not to show up. THe process started on Super Tuesday, not in April. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:39:56 PM EDT
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Cruz supporters shoudl read and understand this. It is the PERCEPTION among the conservative and undecided base. That perception is going to fuck you for the rest of the election. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The spotlight was turned on against the CO "primary" and the public saw the cockroaches scurrying, many for the first time, and each roach had Ted Cruz's name printed on it. Cruz, the RNC, and their media lackeys can go on about "the rules" to hell freezes over but nobody likes to think that they don't matter. Remember it's not only Trump's delegates he's "stealing" but Kasich's too. Cruz is going to have to deal with a whole raft of pissed-off voters in the remaining primaries. Indeed the primaries are the one place in national politics where the peeps think they might matter and their vote counts for something but they were shown otherwise, not only in CO but in other states that have already voted where Cruz has sleazed his way in stealing the will of the people away in the dead of night. What do Cruz supporters expect, accolades and kisses to be thrown Cruz's way after such behavior? Cruz deserves everything coming his way in the remaining primaries.....Two fucking coats.
Cruz supporters shoudl read and understand this. It is the PERCEPTION among the conservative and undecided base. That perception is going to fuck you for the rest of the election. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:41:18 PM EDT
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Why did they cancel the preference poll? Love Cruz all you want...but see that event from the eyes of people who don't love him like he is a God? How does it look from their eyes? It looks shady...as if the will and votes of the people has been disregarded or taken from them. How do you think the general public will react to that? Think about the public and how your simple man on the street sees it... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This doesn't surprise me. The GOPe walked right into the trap that Trump inadvertently laid for them. Cruz would have won Colorado easily too lol. The people who are here supporting Cruz do not understand that the move being mades by Cruz and his supporters are being seen as corrupt and shady. My cousin who is 84 and a life long Republican and an Evangelical Christian referred to Cruz yesterday on a telephone call thusly, " I can not vote for a man who proclaims his faith then act like any other corrupt politician." She thinks he is "underhanded and crooked." She did not think what happened in Colorado was possible in this country. My dad looked at me and when she said this, "I don't think them rules are working out like the GOP thought they would." There was nothing underhanded, crooked, or even unprecedented about it. People who proclaim such either have certain motives in their portrayal or are demonstrating their ignorance. This sounds like a case of the latter. Why did they cancel the preference poll? Love Cruz all you want...but see that event from the eyes of people who don't love him like he is a God? How does it look from their eyes? It looks shady...as if the will and votes of the people has been disregarded or taken from them. How do you think the general public will react to that? Think about the public and how your simple man on the street sees it... They cancelled it because the RNC tried to dictate how it would be utilized, and it was contrary to CO's practices. CO made it non-binding, and the RNC wanted to force it to be binding, so they dropped it to maintain the status quo. CO is not alone in how they bind their delegates, it should be noted. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:41:47 PM EDT
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Trump is the reason why there is any negative perception of the process. He is creating the perception by lying, whining, and being the general scumbag that he is. Negative. The caucus system is stupid...except for Iowa. We need to change to a primary system. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:41:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The preference poll was cancelled because the RNC tried to dictate how it would be used. It had previously been non-binding; the binding of the delegates was done by those running to be delegates themselves, and continued to be after the straw poll was cancelled. There is no evidence that Trump would have won in a binding preference poll in Colorado. The evidence points otherwise. Trump supporters were a no-show at the caucus. Trump is the reason why there is any negative perception of the process. He is creating the perception by lying, whining, and being the general scumbag that he is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ... Cancelling the preference poll (that likely would have gone to Trump) has the hallmark of cheating to the average voter. Your view and my view don't matter. Word games don't matter. Your definitions and rudeness to your fellow conservates will matter. You make fun of people that you NEED on election day. How do you think that will end? It is like every Cruz supporter on Arf has a serious case of aspergers. They don't seem to comprehend how normal people view their actions...how your average voter sees their behavior, their words, their scorn towards everyone around them. WTF...how to win friends 101...don't fuck with their votes and don't make fun of people you need on your side. The preference poll was cancelled because the RNC tried to dictate how it would be used. It had previously been non-binding; the binding of the delegates was done by those running to be delegates themselves, and continued to be after the straw poll was cancelled. There is no evidence that Trump would have won in a binding preference poll in Colorado. The evidence points otherwise. Trump supporters were a no-show at the caucus. Trump is the reason why there is any negative perception of the process. He is creating the perception by lying, whining, and being the general scumbag that he is. It just shows that the party has their own agenda and is disregarding what their membership wants. It says the RNC does not represent the Republican voters...only some of them who happen to want the candidate the RNC wants. It's supposed to be a selection process. This is government at it worst and it's not even government...it's just a political party looking to select someone to run for government. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:42:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting spin. Retarded, but interesting. How come you guys didn't use it in Nevada, where Trump won the caucus? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You think it's funny that the people don't get to vote for who ultimately might be their president? You're fine with a bunch of party insiders picking candidates without the people of a state getting a vote on it? If you're fine with that then you might want to think about moving to North Korea. Everyone had their chance to vote. You have to show up to do it. Did you miss what happened in CO? WSJ - Let Me Ask America a Question. How has the ‘system’ been working out for you and your family? No wonder voters demand change. http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882 "On Saturday, April 9, Colorado had an "election” without voters. Delegates were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee, yet the people of Colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred. A planned vote had been canceled. And one million Republicans in Colorado were sidelined." ...[more] Interesting spin. Retarded, but interesting. How come you guys didn't use it in Nevada, where Trump won the caucus? Probably because the selection process was honored there. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:43:25 PM EDT
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The ones who would have voted in the preference poll that the GOPe cancelled because it was not going to be in favor of their guy. Surely you see this. Support whomever you want...but don't piss down someone's back and tell them it is just rain. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You think it's funny that the people don't get to vote for who ultimately might be their president? You're fine with a bunch of party insiders picking candidates without the people of a state getting a vote on it? If you're fine with that then you might want to think about moving to North Korea. What are you talking about? I'm talking about you're "lol" comment in regards to what lostnswv said. You obviously think that disenfranchising voters by making them think they don't matter is funny. If that's funny to you then you are obviously fine with a system that chooses presidential nominees without the people getting to vote on it. Or maybe I'm completely wrong and am misunderstanding your lol response to what lostnswv said. What voters were disenfranchised? The ones who would have voted in the preference poll that the GOPe cancelled because it was not going to be in favor of their guy. Surely you see this. Support whomever you want...but don't piss down someone's back and tell them it is just rain. The poll was cancelled in defiance of the RNC. This is what you people fail to comprehend (among many, many other things). If you honestly think Trump would have won the straw poll, please provide evidence of your assertion, because the caucus results say otherwise. As someone else said, Trump would have lost the poll even worse than he did in Utah. Trump is not popular in much of the western half of the U.S. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:43:51 PM EDT
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The spotlight was turned on against the CO "primary" and the public saw the cockroaches scurrying, many for the first time, and each roach had Ted Cruz's name printed on it. Cruz, the RNC, and their media lackeys can go on about "the rules" to hell freezes over but nobody likes to think that they don't matter. Remember it's not only Trump's delegates he's "stealing" but Kasich's too. Cruz is going to have to deal with a whole raft of pissed-off voters in the remaining primaries. Indeed the primaries are the one place in national politics where the peeps think they might matter and their vote counts for something but they were shown otherwise, not only in CO but in other states that have already voted where Cruz has sleazed his way in stealing the will of the people away in the dead of night. What do Cruz supporters expect, accolades and kisses to be thrown Cruz's way after such behavior? Cruz deserves everything coming his way in the remaining primaries.....Two fucking coats.
Cruz supporters shoudl read and understand this. It is the PERCEPTION among the conservative and undecided base. That perception is going to fuck you for the rest of the election. Thanks for proving my point. Enjoy defeat. Cruz will likely get some sweet $$$ from the GOPe to ensure they don't lose their protected perch. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:44:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It just shows that the party has their own agenda and is disregarding what their membership wants. It says the RNC does not represent the Republican voters...only some of them who happen to want the candidate the RNC wants. It's supposed to be a selection process. This is government at it worst and it's not even government...it's just a political party looking to select someone to run for government. The caucus system is as american as it gets. Representative democracy from the ground up. It gives the individual voter more power over his choices than perhaps any other method of selecting a candidate. You guys seem oddly keen on subverting it. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:44:34 PM EDT
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You guys keep telling yourselves that as the titanic goes down.........  Cause its going down fast soon...Colo. showed voters just what both Cruz and the party think of them...and they will pay a huge price for it........ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This doesn't surprise me. The GOPe walked right into the trap that Trump inadvertently laid for them. Cruz would have won Colorado easily too lol. The people who are here supporting Cruz do not understand that the move being mades by Cruz and his supporters are being seen as corrupt and shady. My cousin who is 84 and a life long Republican and an Evangelical Christian referred to Cruz yesterday on a telephone call thusly, " I can not vote for a man who proclaims his faith then act like any other corrupt politician." She thinks he is "underhanded and crooked." She did not think what happened in Colorado was possible in this country. My dad looked at me and when she said this, "I don't think them rules are working out like the GOP thought they would." There was nothing underhanded, crooked, or even unprecedented about it. People who proclaim such either have certain motives in their portrayal or are demonstrating their ignorance. This sounds like a case of the latter. You guys keep telling yourselves that as the titanic goes down......... Cause its going down fast soon...Colo. showed voters just what both Cruz and the party think of them...and they will pay a huge price for it........Again, what should Cruz have done? Not campaigned? Why should a candidate not campaign? Why should he act to the benefit of his opponent? Was Trump wrong to campaign at the convention like Cruz? If not, why is It okay for Trump but not for Cruz? |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:44:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally false, as stated by multiple people here from your State. There was a caucus. It was not cancelled. Tens of thousands of voters turned out to vote. The rest chose not to show up. THe process started on Super Tuesday, not in April. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: WSJ - Let Me Ask America a Question. How has the ‘system’ been working out for you and your family? No wonder voters demand change. http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882 "On Saturday, April 9, Colorado had an "election” without voters. Delegates were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee, yet the people of Colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred. A planned vote had been canceled. And one million Republicans in Colorado were sidelined." ...[more] Totally false, as stated by multiple people here from your State. There was a caucus. It was not cancelled. Tens of thousands of voters turned out to vote. The rest chose not to show up. THe process started on Super Tuesday, not in April. I'll believe militant, Cruz supporting ARFCOMMERs over WSJ. Just kidding... Colorado Republicans were expecting a primary. This is very revealing about the RNC and will be detrimental for Cruz. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably because the selection process was honored there. How was the selection process not honored in Colorado? |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:45:23 PM EDT
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Cruz is and always has been willing to suck the establishment cock to get what he wants, the facade of being anti-establishment is exactly that, a facade.  Lay out some examples. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:45:51 PM EDT
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Thanks for proving my point. Enjoy defeat. Cruz will likely get some sweet $$$ from the GOPe to ensure they don't lose their protected perch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The spotlight was turned on against the CO "primary" and the public saw the cockroaches scurrying, many for the first time, and each roach had Ted Cruz's name printed on it. Cruz, the RNC, and their media lackeys can go on about "the rules" to hell freezes over but nobody likes to think that they don't matter. Remember it's not only Trump's delegates he's "stealing" but Kasich's too. Cruz is going to have to deal with a whole raft of pissed-off voters in the remaining primaries. Indeed the primaries are the one place in national politics where the peeps think they might matter and their vote counts for something but they were shown otherwise, not only in CO but in other states that have already voted where Cruz has sleazed his way in stealing the will of the people away in the dead of night. What do Cruz supporters expect, accolades and kisses to be thrown Cruz's way after such behavior? Cruz deserves everything coming his way in the remaining primaries.....Two fucking coats.
Cruz supporters shoudl read and understand this. It is the PERCEPTION among the conservative and undecided base. That perception is going to fuck you for the rest of the election. Thanks for proving my point. Enjoy defeat. Cruz will likely get some sweet $$$ from the GOPe to ensure they don't lose their protected perch. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:46:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The caucus system is as american as it gets. Representative democracy from the ground up. It gives the individual voter more power over his choices than perhaps any other method of selecting a candidate. You guys seem oddly keen on subverting it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It just shows that the party has their own agenda and is disregarding what their membership wants. It says the RNC does not represent the Republican voters...only some of them who happen to want the candidate the RNC wants. It's supposed to be a selection process. This is government at it worst and it's not even government...it's just a political party looking to select someone to run for government. The caucus system is as american as it gets. Representative democracy from the ground up. It gives the individual voter more power over his choices than perhaps any other method of selecting a candidate. You guys seem oddly keen on subverting it. I think the Colorado Republicans wanted a chance to vote in the primary. I don't know how that could be considered subverting the selection process. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:46:24 PM EDT
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Dude, you can't convince someone with the mentality of a Trump supporter how the 'real' world works. They'll only reply, "but...but...but....". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Cruz supporters are going to learn a hard lesson about fucking with people's right to vote...whether they actually did it or not. Playing games with popular vote vs political games/rules will end with the general public turning strongly against you. You can win a battle (CO) and lose the entire war (presidential election). The fact of the matter is that Trump has more votes from the public. He just does. Hate that reality all you want, it is what it is. He is more popular than Cruz. Cruz comes across as slimy and bought out/creepy. When the general public sees CO, they see insider rule changing bullshit that has the appearance of circumventing the people's votes. Whether that is accurate or not is irrelevent. Perception is reality. The GOPe wants Cruz. They also are willing to lose the entire election as they said publicly. Think hard about those to facts and reconcile them into your presonal reality...they are willing to lose and are willing to lose with Cruz. Playing electioneering games is directly alienating a large portion of the conservative base. Saying "fuck you" to them when you "win" CO isn't going to unify the party. The conservative base should be working together to keep a D out of office, not countin scalps of fellow conservatives. Don't fuck with the voters. Don't play word games or hall monitor rule change games. Don't be a dork and debate what words mean. Win based on popular vote or lose to the D side who understands that. No one fucked with the voters, no one made a bunch of last-minute rule changes that disenfranchised anyone or changed how things worked (in fact, the change made last year preserved the status quo), there were no secret backroom dealings. It's a bunch of made up bullshit from Trump and his supporters because he failed miserably and it's easier for him to scream "Cheater!" than it is to admit to his mistakes. What was Cruz supposed to do, not campaign in Colorado? What a load of crap. Was Trump wrong to campaign there once he realized he actually needed to do so? Because his campaign was there at the convention, doing the same thing the Cruz people were, just much less competently and in a more hostile environment because his campaign decided not to make a showing at the caucus and didn't get supporters out to vote. Trump screwed the pooch, and is no poisoning the results because he lost. He shows every day what a huge POS he is. Apparently. I think I might have more success talking to a box of rocks sometimes. It's like they can't comprehend or are unwilling to do so. It's ridiculous, and if I wasn't such a cynic I'd have a hard time believing people can be this persistently ignorant or deluded. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:46:40 PM EDT
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All Trumptards are retards—forever & always. Trump LOVES the poorly educated. His entire campaign is depending on them. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:46:45 PM EDT
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The poll was cancelled in defiance of the RNC. According to some radio talk show guy, had there been a vote (preference poll) then the Colorado delegates would have been bound to vote that way in Cleveland (RNC rule). Reportedly, the Colorado Republican party wanted the delegates not bound to a candidate so they deleted the preference polling. This is second hand info. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:47:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll believe militant, Cruz supporting ARFCOMMERs over WSJ. Just kidding... Colorado Republicans were expecting a primary. This is very revealing about the RNC and will be detrimental for Cruz. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: WSJ - Let Me Ask America a Question. How has the ‘system’ been working out for you and your family? No wonder voters demand change. http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882 "On Saturday, April 9, Colorado had an "election” without voters. Delegates were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee, yet the people of Colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred. A planned vote had been canceled. And one million Republicans in Colorado were sidelined." ...[more] Totally false, as stated by multiple people here from your State. There was a caucus. It was not cancelled. Tens of thousands of voters turned out to vote. The rest chose not to show up. THe process started on Super Tuesday, not in April. I'll believe militant, Cruz supporting ARFCOMMERs over WSJ. Just kidding... Colorado Republicans were expecting a primary. This is very revealing about the RNC and will be detrimental for Cruz. Why would Colorado Republicans be expecting a primary? It has been a caucus state for more than a hundred years, with a brief switch to primary from 1992 to 2002. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:47:23 PM EDT
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You think it's funny that the people don't get to vote for who ultimately might be their president? You're fine with a bunch of party insiders picking candidates without the people of a state getting a vote on it? If you're fine with that then you might want to think about moving to North Korea. Everyone had their chance to vote. You have to show up to do it. Did you miss what happened in CO? WSJ - Let Me Ask America a Question. How has the ‘system’ been working out for you and your family? No wonder voters demand change. http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882 "On Saturday, April 9, Colorado had an "election” without voters. Delegates were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee, yet the people of Colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred. A planned vote had been canceled. And one million Republicans in Colorado were sidelined." ...[more] Interesting spin. Retarded, but interesting. How come you guys didn't use it in Nevada, where Trump won the caucus? Probably because the selection process was honored there. Also nevada's "caucus" is essentially a primary. Voting, secret ballots, all that. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:47:56 PM EDT
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Interesting...attempting to circumvent the participation of the electorate results in a negative response. The electorate participated. They voted for precinct delegates, like in many caucuses around the country. Some of them seem to have been expecting to participate in a state primary. Given that CO has been using a caucus for quite some time, it's a completely uninformed or irrational expectation on their part. Apparently tens of thousands of voters knew about the caucus and showed up to participate. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:48:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How was the selection process not honored in Colorado? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Probably because the selection process was honored there. How was the selection process not honored in Colorado? Like this: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote "Colorado will not vote for a Republican candidate for president at its 2016 caucus after party leaders approved a little-noticed shift that may diminish the state's clout in the most open nomination contest in the modern era." ...[more] |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:48:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the Colorado Republicans wanted a chance to vote in the primary. I don't know how that could be considered subverting the selection process. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It just shows that the party has their own agenda and is disregarding what their membership wants. It says the RNC does not represent the Republican voters...only some of them who happen to want the candidate the RNC wants. It's supposed to be a selection process. This is government at it worst and it's not even government...it's just a political party looking to select someone to run for government. The caucus system is as american as it gets. Representative democracy from the ground up. It gives the individual voter more power over his choices than perhaps any other method of selecting a candidate. You guys seem oddly keen on subverting it. I think the Colorado Republicans wanted a chance to vote in the primary. I don't know how that could be considered subverting the selection process. Colorado doesn't have a primary. I think actual Colorado Republicans would be aware of that. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:49:08 PM EDT
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know what I would do O.P. Jump on twitter right away and twit it. That's the best thing you could and should do right now.
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:49:13 PM EDT
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I hope this has been asked, but I haven't read everything as I don't have time as I'm having too much fun counting my RNC delegate bribe money. Would the same people who are calling shenanigans now be calling them if someone else got all of the CO delegates?
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Given that CO has been using a caucus for quite some time, it's a completely uninformed or irrational expectation on their part. Apparently tens of thousands of voters knew about the caucus and showed up to participate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting...attempting to circumvent the participation of the electorate results in a negative response. The electorate participated. They voted for precinct delegates, like in many caucuses around the country. Some of them seem to have been expecting to participate in a state primary. Given that CO has been using a caucus for quite some time, it's a completely uninformed or irrational expectation on their part. Apparently tens of thousands of voters knew about the caucus and showed up to participate. I have a feeling that's not sitting as well with everyone as it is with you. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:50:40 PM EDT
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Maybe insist on a preference poll? There is an idea...let people actually vote and see what the actual people want...just like they did last time? Nope, can't let the general public have their views known... That will end well. Perception is reality for the man on the street.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you are stupid enough to think CO was rigged, Trump is your boy. You just threw away about a 1/3 or better of the eligible voters in this country who thought their vote actually mattered. Well before the last month or so when the GOPe began telling people what a joke primaries are. How can people not understand this? The PERCEPTION of the general public IS REALITY on election day. Fuck with their ability to walk into a polling station and vote and they will never forget or forgive. How can Cruz supporters be happy about that They are guarenteeing their defeat as they just alienated at least 50% of the conservative base in one swoop who will NEVER side with Cruz because of this.
WTF...this isn't hard to understand. You don't play games with people's vote. Never...no way no how...even the perception of it gets you fucked on election day. Now Cruz looks slimy...like a skeezy politician that worked inside rules to get votes, not a guy who actually won the people's support. Right or wrong, that is the perception among the public...who gets the final say in November. So what was Cruz supposed to do? Not campaign? Not get out the vote at the caucus? Because Trump might try to create a false perception if he were to lose? Do you realize how silly you sound? Maybe insist on a preference poll? There is an idea...let people actually vote and see what the actual people want...just like they did last time? Nope, can't let the general public have their views known... That will end well. Perception is reality for the man on the street. No one was commenting in CO's rule change in August of 2015, either way. Eventually, the race would move on to CO. Again, what is Cruz supposed to do? You have not satisfactorily answered the question, and I'm not sure you can. Note that Trump never said anything about the rule change, either. And just in case you missed it several times in a row, the straw poll was non-binding. RNC tried to interfere to make it binding. If things were done like last time, with a non-binding straw poll, it would not have altered the outcome, and Trump would still cry shenanigans, similarly without justification. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:50:54 PM EDT
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Again, what should Cruz have done? Not campaigned? Why should a candidate not campaign? Why should he act to the benefit of his opponent? Was Trump wrong to campaign at the convention like Cruz? If not, why is It okay for Trump but not for Cruz? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This doesn't surprise me. The GOPe walked right into the trap that Trump inadvertently laid for them. Cruz would have won Colorado easily too lol. The people who are here supporting Cruz do not understand that the move being mades by Cruz and his supporters are being seen as corrupt and shady. My cousin who is 84 and a life long Republican and an Evangelical Christian referred to Cruz yesterday on a telephone call thusly, " I can not vote for a man who proclaims his faith then act like any other corrupt politician." She thinks he is "underhanded and crooked." She did not think what happened in Colorado was possible in this country. My dad looked at me and when she said this, "I don't think them rules are working out like the GOP thought they would." There was nothing underhanded, crooked, or even unprecedented about it. People who proclaim such either have certain motives in their portrayal or are demonstrating their ignorance. This sounds like a case of the latter. You guys keep telling yourselves that as the titanic goes down......... Cause its going down fast soon...Colo. showed voters just what both Cruz and the party think of them...and they will pay a huge price for it........Again, what should Cruz have done? Not campaigned? Why should a candidate not campaign? Why should he act to the benefit of his opponent? Was Trump wrong to campaign at the convention like Cruz? If not, why is It okay for Trump but not for Cruz? In CO.. Cruz swallowed the ENTIRE TURD! Trump squeezed out for him... 
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like this: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote "Colorado will not vote for a Republican candidate for president at its 2016 caucus after party leaders approved a little-noticed shift that may diminish the state's clout in the most open nomination contest in the modern era." ...[more] Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Probably because the selection process was honored there. How was the selection process not honored in Colorado? Like this: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote "Colorado will not vote for a Republican candidate for president at its 2016 caucus after party leaders approved a little-noticed shift that may diminish the state's clout in the most open nomination contest in the modern era." ...[more] That was a non-binding preference poll that the RNC tried to make binding. It was removed to keep the Colorado process as unfettered as possible from party shenanigans. So... How long have you been a Republican in Colorado? |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:51:06 PM EDT
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Cruz a non-establishment guy.
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:51:27 PM EDT
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The ones who would have voted in the preference poll that the GOPe cancelled because it was not going to be in favor of their guy. Surely you see this. Support whomever you want...but don't piss down someone's back and tell them it is just rain. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You think it's funny that the people don't get to vote for who ultimately might be their president? You're fine with a bunch of party insiders picking candidates without the people of a state getting a vote on it? If you're fine with that then you might want to think about moving to North Korea. What are you talking about? I'm talking about you're "lol" comment in regards to what lostnswv said. You obviously think that disenfranchising voters by making them think they don't matter is funny. If that's funny to you then you are obviously fine with a system that chooses presidential nominees without the people getting to vote on it. Or maybe I'm completely wrong and am misunderstanding your lol response to what lostnswv said. What voters were disenfranchised? The ones who would have voted in the preference poll that the GOPe cancelled because it was not going to be in favor of their guy. Surely you see this. Support whomever you want...but don't piss down someone's back and tell them it is just rain. I have a friend, who lives outside Denver, that would have voted. He has been a long time loyal conservative, but not any more. He was disenfranchised. Cruz by being all smary about that win didn't help himself. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:52:34 PM EDT
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According to some radio talk show guy, had there been a vote (preference poll) then the Colorado delegates would have been bound to vote that way in Cleveland (RNC rule). Reportedly, the Colorado Republican party wanted the delegates not bound to a candidate so they deleted the preference polling. This is second hand info. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The poll was cancelled in defiance of the RNC. According to some radio talk show guy, had there been a vote (preference poll) then the Colorado delegates would have been bound to vote that way in Cleveland (RNC rule). Reportedly, the Colorado Republican party wanted the delegates not bound to a candidate so they deleted the preference polling. This is second hand info. Bc having them bound to follow the will of the voters is bad
Wonder how that reality looks to the general working man on the street? Not shady at all.
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bc having them bound to follow the will of the voters is bad Wonder how that reality looks to the general working man on the street? Not shady at all. They are bound to the will of the voters that elected them. They are not bound to the results of the non-binding preference poll that no longer exists. I understand you guys are trying to go full alinsky on this, but I have to tell you, you really suck at it. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:53:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:54:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Colorado doesn't have a primary. I think actual Colorado Republicans would be aware of that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It just shows that the party has their own agenda and is disregarding what their membership wants. It says the RNC does not represent the Republican voters...only some of them who happen to want the candidate the RNC wants. It's supposed to be a selection process. This is government at it worst and it's not even government...it's just a political party looking to select someone to run for government. The caucus system is as american as it gets. Representative democracy from the ground up. It gives the individual voter more power over his choices than perhaps any other method of selecting a candidate. You guys seem oddly keen on subverting it. I think the Colorado Republicans wanted a chance to vote in the primary. I don't know how that could be considered subverting the selection process. Colorado doesn't have a primary. I think actual Colorado Republicans would be aware of that. I believe they have in the past. They were non-binding however they were held. There is more info in the link I posted earlier. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote "State Republican Party Chairman Steve House said the party's 24-member executive committee made the unanimous decision Friday — six members were absent — to skip the preference poll." "The RNC tightened the rules in 2012 to eliminate nonbinding straw polls and help prevent similar stunts in the future, forcing Colorado Republicans to re-evaluate their process." There's other info |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:54:39 PM EDT
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The spotlight was turned on against the CO "primary" and the public saw the cockroaches scurrying, many for the first time, and each roach had Ted Cruz's name printed on it. Cruz, the RNC, and their media lackeys can go on about "the rules" to hell freezes over but nobody likes to think that they don't matter. Remember it's not only Trump's delegates he's "stealing" but Kasich's too. Cruz is going to have to deal with a whole raft of pissed-off voters in the remaining primaries. Indeed the primaries are the one place in national politics where the peeps think they might matter and their vote counts for something but they were shown otherwise, not only in CO but in other states that have already voted where Cruz has sleazed his way in stealing the will of the people away in the dead of night. What do Cruz supporters expect, accolades and kisses to be thrown Cruz's way after such behavior? Cruz deserves everything coming his way in the remaining primaries.....Two fucking coats.
Demonstrate what wrongdoing Cruz did. He campaigned in CO. That's it. Trump did too, just at a later point in the race. Was Trump's behavior thusly reprehensible? You'll also need to prove that this was some secret, backroom dealing. I doubt that you can, seeing as how the convention was televised on a live stream. The whole thing. Cruz campaigned from the start, mobilizing the voters who supported him. Trump didn't even bother. And it showed in the results. Trump started campaigning when he realized that he might lose the opportunity to get delegates, but by then the voters had cast the die, and his campaign was incompetent to boot. You have been informed repeatedly what happened, but repeat your lies and refuse to try to prove that anything untoward happened on Cruz's part. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:54:51 PM EDT
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Trump is the reason why there is any negative perception of the process. He is creating the perception by lying, whining, and being the general scumbag that he is. Negative. The caucus system is stupid...except for Iowa. We need to change to a primary system. Well you are in CO CHANGE THE FUCKING PROCESS!!! Oh wait, you would have to be a Republcan and be active in the Party in CO |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:55:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was a non-binding preference poll that the RNC tried to make binding. It was removed to keep the Colorado process as unfettered as possible from party shenanigans. So... How long have you been a Republican in Colorado? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Probably because the selection process was honored there. How was the selection process not honored in Colorado? Like this: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote "Colorado will not vote for a Republican candidate for president at its 2016 caucus after party leaders approved a little-noticed shift that may diminish the state's clout in the most open nomination contest in the modern era." ...[more] That was a non-binding preference poll that the RNC tried to make binding. It was removed to keep the Colorado process as unfettered as possible from party shenanigans. So... How long have you been a Republican in Colorado? I'm not. I'm aware it has been nonbinding though and my understanding based on having lived here quite a while is that CO Republicans liked a chance to have their say in the primaries and generally have that say respected to a degree by the RNC. Taking that away has rubbed a lot of CO Republicans the wrong way as far as I can tell. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:56:08 PM EDT
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This is what I mean. Make fun and fuck with fellow R voters. Cruz will need the votes that his supporters drive away with their scorn. How is that hard to understand? Do you comprehend that Trump supporters vote and that their vote counts equally to yours (when the poll isn't cancelled of course). In November, what effect will the scorn Cruz supporters put out have on the base that they need? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Cruz supporters are going to learn a hard lesson about fucking with people's right to vote...whether they actually did it or not. Playing games with popular vote vs political games/rules will end with the general public turning strongly against you. You can win a battle (CO) and lose the entire war (presidential election). The fact of the matter is that Trump has more votes from the public. He just does. Hate that reality all you want, it is what it is. He is more popular than Cruz. Cruz comes across as slimy and bought out/creepy. When the general public sees CO, they see insider rule changing bullshit that has the appearance of circumventing the people's votes. Whether that is accurate or not is irrelevent. Perception is reality. The GOPe wants Cruz. They also are willing to lose the entire election as they said publicly. Think hard about those to facts and reconcile them into your presonal reality...they are willing to lose and are willing to lose with Cruz. Playing electioneering games is directly alienating a large portion of the conservative base. Saying "fuck you" to them when you "win" CO isn't going to unify the party. The conservative base should be working together to keep a D out of office, not countin scalps of fellow conservatives. Don't fuck with the voters. Don't play word games or hall monitor rule change games. Don't be a dork and debate what words mean. Win based on popular vote or lose to the D side who understands that. No one fucked with the voters, no one made a bunch of last-minute rule changes that disenfranchised anyone or changed how things worked (in fact, the change made last year preserved the status quo), there were no secret backroom dealings. It's a bunch of made up bullshit from Trump and his supporters because he failed miserably and it's easier for him to scream "Cheater!" than it is to admit to his mistakes. What was Cruz supposed to do, not campaign in Colorado? What a load of crap. Was Trump wrong to campaign there once he realized he actually needed to do so? Because his campaign was there at the convention, doing the same thing the Cruz people were, just much less competently and in a more hostile environment because his campaign decided not to make a showing at the caucus and didn't get supporters out to vote. Trump screwed the pooch, and is no poisoning the results because he lost. He shows every day what a huge POS he is. This is what I mean. Make fun and fuck with fellow R voters. Cruz will need the votes that his supporters drive away with their scorn. How is that hard to understand? Do you comprehend that Trump supporters vote and that their vote counts equally to yours (when the poll isn't cancelled of course). In November, what effect will the scorn Cruz supporters put out have on the base that they need? So Trump supporters can lie, choose to be uninformed, complain about the results when they don't go out and vote, and we're not allowed to point any of that out and respond accordingly? Why, because they are Trump supporters? Why are they so special? |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:56:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe they have in the past. They were non-binding however they were held. There is more info in the link I posted earlier. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote "State Republican Party Chairman Steve House said the party's 24-member executive committee made the unanimous decision Friday — six members were absent — to skip the preference poll." "The RNC tightened the rules in 2012 to eliminate nonbinding straw polls and help prevent similar stunts in the future, forcing Colorado Republicans to re-evaluate their process." There's other info So you support the RNC now? You guys are so confusing. In any case, this has been explained to you no less than six times in this thread alone. Do you think pretending to be ignorant is advancing your cause? |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:56:21 PM EDT
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The spotlight was turned on against the CO "primary" and the public saw the cockroaches scurrying, many for the first time, and each roach had Ted Cruz's name printed on it. Cruz, the RNC, and their media lackeys can go on about "the rules" to hell freezes over but nobody likes to think that they don't matter. Remember it's not only Trump's delegates he's "stealing" but Kasich's too. Cruz is going to have to deal with a whole raft of pissed-off voters in the remaining primaries. Indeed the primaries are the one place in national politics where the peeps think they might matter and their vote counts for something but they were shown otherwise, not only in CO but in other states that have already voted where Cruz has sleazed his way in stealing the will of the people away in the dead of night. What do Cruz supporters expect, accolades and kisses to be thrown Cruz's way after such behavior? Cruz deserves everything coming his way in the remaining primaries.....Two fucking coats.
Cruz supporters shoudl read and understand this. It is the PERCEPTION among the conservative and undecided base. That perception is going to fuck you for the rest of the election. Lol Laugh it up fuzzball but if Cruz manages to get the nomination the turnout will be the lowest in a generation. You can put money on that in Vegas. Cruz has pissed off a lot of voters of all stripes with the CO thing and when you figure he was roundly disliked in the first place by most voters he will not only lose GOP votes but also the massive amount of Independent voters he needs to win. Right now Cruz is more toxic a candidate than Trump ever thought about being. Good Job you "won".
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:56:49 PM EDT
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Trumpkins. Things are getting pretty fucked up here when you even have site staff throwing out childish names.
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:57:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not. I'm aware it has been nonbinding though and my understanding based on having lived here quite a while is that CO Republicans liked a chance to have their say in the primaries and generally have that say respected to a degree by the RNC. Taking that away has rubbed a lot of CO Republicans the wrong way as far as I can tell. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was a non-binding preference poll that the RNC tried to make binding. It was removed to keep the Colorado process as unfettered as possible from party shenanigans. So... How long have you been a Republican in Colorado? I'm not. I'm aware it has been nonbinding though and my understanding based on having lived here quite a while is that CO Republicans liked a chance to have their say in the primaries and generally have that say respected to a degree by the RNC. Taking that away has rubbed a lot of CO Republicans the wrong way as far as I can tell. Ahh. You seem oddly concerned about the methods Colorado Republicans use to select candidates for their party. In any case, as has been explained to you no less than seven times in this thread now, any Republican who chose to show up for their caucus had their chance to vote. Glad we cleared all that up. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:57:30 PM EDT
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Cruz supporters shoudl read and understand this. It is the PERCEPTION among the conservative and undecided base. That perception is going to fuck you for the rest of the election. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The spotlight was turned on against the CO "primary" and the public saw the cockroaches scurrying, many for the first time, and each roach had Ted Cruz's name printed on it. Cruz, the RNC, and their media lackeys can go on about "the rules" to hell freezes over but nobody likes to think that they don't matter. Remember it's not only Trump's delegates he's "stealing" but Kasich's too. Cruz is going to have to deal with a whole raft of pissed-off voters in the remaining primaries. Indeed the primaries are the one place in national politics where the peeps think they might matter and their vote counts for something but they were shown otherwise, not only in CO but in other states that have already voted where Cruz has sleazed his way in stealing the will of the people away in the dead of night. What do Cruz supporters expect, accolades and kisses to be thrown Cruz's way after such behavior? Cruz deserves everything coming his way in the remaining primaries.....Two fucking coats.
Cruz supporters shoudl read and understand this. It is the PERCEPTION among the conservative and undecided base. That perception is going to fuck you for the rest of the election. The perception is being driven by Trump. He is deliberately poisoning the discourse because he can't stand losing. This narrative of corruption originates with him and his supporters. |
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:58:08 PM EDT
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Cruz has failed at every opportunity he was given to speak up against what is wrong with our country, he instead chose to be a slime ball and use these opportunities to further his own agenda. He doesn't understand leadership, and he's apparently one of the dumbest people on the face of the earth when it comes to people. The man fell apart when he was taken out of his element, our country needs a leader and not some POS attorney that can win an argument at a debate. I really hope the establishment he pretended to not be a part of discards him now.
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Posted: 4/14/2016 10:58:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ahh. You seem oddly concerned about the methods Colorado Republicans use to select candidates for their party. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That was a non-binding preference poll that the RNC tried to make binding. It was removed to keep the Colorado process as unfettered as possible from party shenanigans. So... How long have you been a Republican in Colorado? I'm not. Ahh. You seem oddly concerned about the methods Colorado Republicans use to select candidates for their party. I think it's better when parties and the government respect the voters. |
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