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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:16:26 AM EDT
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The motor oil one may be applicable if you're using a paraffin
or Naphthenic-based oil , but any of the true synthetics available today CANNOT harden . Not only can't they harden , but they stand up to temperatures that would anneal some metals . They also contain additives that are beneficial to the operating conditions that occur in weapon during hard use . But as usual it's easier to condemn all motor oils than explain the differences that make some good and some bad . The whole idea of teaching to the lowest common denominator irritates the hell out of me 
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:24:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: What would you tell GI's who don't know how to take apart and reassemble an M16 to keep them from removing the trigger assembly for cleaning? Quoted: Pushing out reciever pins, enlarges the holes, ruining the reciever? So the manual that shows pushing out the Rear lower reciever pin to clean the gun is incorrect? I think it was referring to the trigger, hammer, and auto sear pins.  |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:34:51 AM EDT
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Since when does carb cleaner hurt barrels [>:/] And as to taking off the finish, how many military weapons have finish left on them anyway
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Posted: 11/22/2008 7:41:06 AM EDT
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what about shaving cream and taking your m16 in the shower with you?, or is that your boots I forget. Yep. I've seen people try to use shaving cream before. Never saw them use water until I was at PLDC near the end of the course. I walked into the bathroom and found a guy with shaving cream and his M16 stripped apart in the utility tub. 
When I saw the thread topic I thought it was going to be PS magazine giving bad advice, but that actually brings up a lot of common BS beliefs I've seen in the Army. Unfortunately, you can't fully expect the Soldiers to stop cleaning with ridiculous methods when you have inspectors checking for cleanliness of ridiculous standards. During the short time I was in the Army I witnessed all of the bad cleaning practices mentioned above. Cleaning practices that cause weapon damage will never cease as long as Officers and NCO’s insist that weapons are completely oil and carbon free when turned in. Officers and NCO’s who insist that weapons are completely oil and carbon free when turned in need to spend more time living in the field and less time worrying about how their uniform looks. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 9:00:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: in the Army I witnessed all of the bad cleaning practices mentioned above. Cleaning practices that cause weapon damage will never cease as long as Officers and NCO’s insist that weapons are completely oil and carbon free when turned in. Officers and NCO’s who insist that weapons are completely oil and carbon free when turned in need to spend more time living in the field and less time worrying about how their uniform looks. Agreed, on all counts. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 9:48:22 AM EDT
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As many know, I often post those PS comics or refer to them as a source of information to pass along. Some of that info is good info, some info leaves something to question.
As is the case with carb or brake cleaner. It will not remove the finish from your rifle, or suddenly erode the lands of your barrel. The one thing you do need to know is that it thoroughly strips ANY sign of lubrication from the metal it is applied to. This will lead to corrosion if left unprotected. As far as the other tips in that cartoon, I agree with them all. - The firing pin should not be used as a cleaning tool. - Oven cleaner does attack aluminum. Don’t believe me, spray a piece of aluminum foil and watch the reaction. - You shouldn’t stick anything other than your CLEANING ROD down your barrel. - I have seen motor oil thicken over time when mixed with other firing residues. - And it is well known that graphite and aluminum don’t mix. - And, it is not advisable to disassemble any part of your rifle, if of course you are not experienced with the task your about to perform. We see this EVERY DAY here on ARFCOM with all the threads in the BIY and Trouble Shooting Forums. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 11:09:41 AM EDT
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what about shaving cream and taking your m16 in the shower with you?, or is that your boots I forget. Yep. I've seen people try to use shaving cream before. Never saw them use water until I was at PLDC near the end of the course. I walked into the bathroom and found a guy with shaving cream and his M16 stripped apart in the utility tub.
When I saw the thread topic I thought it was going to be PS magazine giving bad advice, but that actually brings up a lot of common BS beliefs I've seen in the Army. Unfortunately, you can't fully expect the Soldiers to stop cleaning with ridiculous methods when you have inspectors checking for cleanliness of ridiculous standards. During the short time I was in the Army I witnessed all of the bad cleaning practices mentioned above. Cleaning practices that cause weapon damage will never cease as long as Officers and NCO’s insist that weapons are completely oil and carbon free when turned in. Officers and NCO’s who insist that weapons are completely oil and carbon free when turned in need to spend more time living in the field and less time worrying about how their uniform looks. That was the Army I remember. Had to be completely clean and NO oil traces. Only way to do that was one of these blatantly banned methods. It was a game, to get one clean enough to turn in you had to do something terrible to it and not get caught. Hopefully your rifle wasn't filled with rust and oxidation next you had to draw it out. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 11:13:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: That was the Army I remember. Had to be completely clean and NO oil traces. I think they are S-L-O-W-L-Y changing their ways. For instance: When I served it was SOP to clean weapons three separate times over the span of a week or so after having been issued and turned back in. Now, the Army is saying one good cleaning is good enough, and traces of lube are ok. ETA: I still remember the 1SG getting on our asses because the SGM chewed his, for the Troop being behind on completing all three cleaning sessions. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 11:18:17 AM EDT
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Is that Gun Scrubber the same as carb cleaner? Im curious. No, but Gun Scrubber is pretty much the same as brake cleaner. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 11:23:29 AM EDT
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OMFG, Miss Connie Rodd was hotter than Marilyn Monroe back in the 1960s issues of PS Magazine.
 Excuse me, I have to go clean up. 
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Posted: 11/22/2008 11:29:30 AM EDT
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The motor oil and carb cleaner line is gonna break some hearts around here. Mobi1 does not harden in an AR-15, and that's a fact. No idea what the deal is with whatever it is they pour in military vehicles. And seriously, who uses carb cleaner? Non chlorinated brake cleaner is extremely common (and fine), but carb cleaner? Agreed, carb cleaner should be used for its intended purpose, and that is to kill hornets and wasps in mid air. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 11:35:02 AM EDT
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I use carb cleaner and CLP for several of my rifles. I keep it away from plastic parts though. Never had a problem with it.
My method is use large amount of CLP, scrub with brush, add more CLP. Let everything soak for a day. Spray off with carb cleaner, then CLP to prevent rust. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 11:50:09 AM EDT
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Agreed, carb cleaner should be used for its intended purpose, and that is to kill hornets and wasps in mid air. 
I grabbed a can the other night to kill a Blackwidow in my garage.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 11:57:04 AM EDT
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The motor oil and carb cleaner line is gonna break some hearts around here. Mobi1 does not harden in an AR-15, and that's a fact. No idea what the deal is with whatever it is they pour in military vehicles. And seriously, who uses carb cleaner? Non chlorinated brake cleaner is extremely common (and fine), but carb cleaner? Agreed, carb cleaner should be used for its intended purpose, and that is to kill hornets and wasps in mid air. NO NO NO!!!!! You use Ether for that. [Starting fluid] Carb cleaner is for SPIDERS. |
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Posted: 11/22/2008 12:01:30 PM EDT
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And we've still got respected members here that espouse WD-40. I wish we could put that crap to bed once and for all along with carb cleaner and petroleum based motor oil.
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Posted: 11/22/2008 12:06:05 PM EDT
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That comic is silly. All the real HSLD guys know you just have to put your rifle in the dishwasher to get it clean.
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